Minghao and Jeonghan were kinda the last one to joined SEVENTEEN so it's for the best because can you imagine SEVENTEEN without Jeonghan? I can't!

If Jang doyoon wouldn’t have left back then, he would’ve been the leader. Which is unimaginable for me. Scoups is a great leader, he loved the group so much that he didn’t leave even after such a long trainee period. I don’t want to criticise others it’s just that current Seventeen is beautiful.

Samuel got me into kpop, it's so sad that he left, but i was more sadder that his father died after being killed by his friend, thank God that he's getting better and going to start singing again

SVT was just destined to be OT13, i saw glimpses of the guys mentioned her in "The Green Room" but never got interested in any of them, and Samuel was just a fetus back then so its unthinkable he would've been allowed to debut so young

Kim Samuel's hair in that rap duo is WILD. Hope for the best for him, he's been through a lot.

The happiness I saw Samuel have when Minghao and Jun reunited on that one chinese survival show was SO nice.

Samuel is never forgotten, I feel bad that his mother didn’t allow him to debut with the rest of the boys but I get her he was very young at the time but at the same time she allowed him to be a trainee at that age. Samuel and the rest of seventeen are thankfully still friends, coups even went to see him during Produce 101 and they said that they are still in touch with each other. Samuel was doing great but he kinda shut off after what happened to his father. Hopefully he is happy and doing well

i can't imagine SEVENTEEN with other members or without the current members SEVENTEEN is SEVENTEEN ❤

Shin Dongjin is currently a backup dancer for AB6IX. There are other rumours that he’s now a trainee under KQ Entertainment, the label that ATEEZ is under, apparently.

The relationship between Seventeen and Samuel is nust wholesome ✨🤍

Nah, even just watching his photos that Doyoon wouldn't be a good leader for SVT and surely wouldn't be able to become the General leader of SVT and Carats. I'm glad that we have SVT with our 13 members, they are perfect and that's just a match made in heaven

finding out one of my fav actor was supposed to debut in one of my fav groups is a whole new level of crazy

The members were meant to be, that is Seventeen is Seventeen, good luck to the others who didn't make it, success will come to you if you work hard, have the talent and with a little bit of luck you need to be successful

Predebut members* . The title makes it seems like they left seventeen

Man time flies.. I was 13 years old back when I was watching the seventeen diary’s and remember those members. Now I’m 23 lol damn. But it’s been fun to see seventeen grow!

I was just watching kim Samuel videos with seventeen just before this video 🤣

I still feel really sad for Kim Samuel. He is really talented but didn't debut with seventeen, which made him not to be as popular as them. I am happy he may come back again, but it feels sad that he doesn't get the attention he deserves

Now the title is very wrong. how are they “forgotten members of seventeen” when they were never official members of svt? They were just trainees who left. not members at all. the svt members became official members when they were given their rings.

It’s been 9 years. They are forgotten bc they never were part of svt🤷🏻‍♀️

Who'd have MingMing's luck? Can't say he didn't try but his idol career seems doomed. And Seventeen has the perfect mix and number of members, so however they were formed, they got it right.

I still have a soft spot for the boys, but it's hard to imagine svt any other way than the official 13. Also pledis training system might also have played a part. I remember some of the members talking about how harsh it was and only the trainees who could withstand it and stayed ended up debuting.

Those Samuel 1Punch photos had be shook 😂. Who approved those things...

as a fan of them since predebut, im just really satisfied with the current lineup of seventeen. samuel and mingming are the one that makes me feel regretful by their departure, thats why until now i still check them out occasionally. also i do need svt to make more diss track like wally or sukyo but nowdays they prefer to make it about themselves (which i also like)

Seeing the reasons or the rumours behind the 4 leaving SVT, I'm glad they left... Or else I don't believe that they'd stay in the group for long even if they debuted. We all know that SEVENTEEN really struggled in their early years. I don't think the other 4 would thrive... (I included Samuel cause even if he was willing to struggle together with the members, his mum won't let him because he was too young)

The things is at no time were there were 17 members. On left, one arrived, one left another arrived. It doesnt seem like there was ever going to be 17 members. Calling them forgotten members of seventeen is wrong then. Maybe "trainees that could have debut as seventeen".

seventeen is 13. always, meant to be

Okay, let's take a moment to appreciate that these four individuals are not part of SVT. The dynamic among the 13 members is remarkable. Considering the hardships they endured during their trainee days, persevering through being relatively unknown or least popular idols for many years in S.Korea, yet consistently delivering hit songs and amazing choreos with each comeback, truly exemplifies their resilience. This shows their unwavering dedication. If the other three (excl. Samuel) had debuted with Seventeen, they likely wouldn't have endured for long, and the group dynamic might not have been the same. As Shin PD mentioned, all 13 of them have worked tirelessly as idols, treating it not just as a fleeting step in the industry, but as a genuine career.

Seventeen was meant to be with 13 members, We cant imagine Seventeen without any 1 member..

Even though they are no longer in Seventeen we can never forget them

Im watching dk recent reel and laughing continuously 😭😂

what pisses me off is the fact that samuel's mother pulled him out of pledis cuz he was "too young to debut" yet she let him debut before svt even did

Im glad we have the seventeen we see today. They started out rough but the hang tight and their hard works brought them to where they are now 🌹

Here's the thing, there was never a time in Seventeen's predebut history when they had 17 guys in the line up. They were called Seventeen since the moment they were announced and their show premiered as 17TV and at the time they were only 11 members. And since then, the line up changed 7-8 times and throughout all those changes there never was a single time when Seventeen actually had 17 members. In the end, they did have 4 guys who were part of the pre-debut line up at one point or another, making a total of 17 guys who were known to have been in consideration for the group, but again, never at the same time. Honestly, people need to drop the whole "there used to be Seventeen but some left before debut" reasoning because it's not entirely true. Yes the 4 guys were part of their predebut history but they're not who made Seventeen who they are today. Seventeen debuted with 13 members, 3 units, as 1 team and to this day they are exactly that. The 13 members that we know ARE who made Seventeen. The fact that we're going in to the groups' 9th year and people are still bringing up the predebut members as if they are Seventeen, idk, it just feels unfair to the 13 guys who've worked hard to make a name out of Seventeen. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we should erase Samuel, Mingming, Dongjin, and Doyoon from history or never talk about them, because they themselves deserve to do what they love and achieve their dreams too. Idk how to explain it, I just never seen people so fixated on a group's predebut line up and members the way they do with Seventeen. Like, people don't go around calling (G)Idle's Miyeon a "former BlackPink member" because she was part of the group predebut but ultimately didn't debut with them.

It always hard when your part of something bit you did make to the end

i cant believe THIS is how i find out samuel is finally gonna have a comeback 😭 i've liked him ever since produce 101 and was so mad when he was rigged out of the final lineup! i followed his solo career all the way to 'one' and 'teenager', watched that one chinese show he was on with jun and the8, watched his drama, and then suddenly all of the drama with brave happened, his dad was murdered and it's been more or less quiet around him ever since 😭i cant believe hes finally coming back from the basement 😭

I can't imagine seventeen with more than my ot13

I've always wondered if there is an agency policy that prevents former trainees from reapplying. Samuel did not debut with the group, so is it impossible for Pledis to take him back? And since Pledis is now under Hybe, can Samuel audition under any subsidiary companies like Pledis? So many questions...

I am thankful of the current seventeen members.

Jang Doyoon was one of the male leads in the very popular korean BL sing my crush

Wow that's actually so interesting, I think in life we all can see moments like that when one different choice would had change our lives, I love to know about the lore of big groups like Seventeen it's always fascinating to me.

I've finally gotten peace. I always wondered why SVT don't have 17 members

I feel so proud that it was samuel that got me into kpop and kdrama

Samuel is the only “supposed” member i can accept.❤

they are just really not meant to be a SEVENTEEN members, that's it.

the only person I would have liked to see in svt from these is samuel because he didn‘t leave on his own, he was just too young and I understand his mother eitger way to get him out there. I think some familys were already close at that time so Idk if taking him out had to do with pledis financial situation. The oldest I didn‘t have sympathy for even before this video. He left, probably setting them back and leaving them betrayed as someone who was going to be their leader.

Don't need to think about what could have been because the seventeen we got is the best group, best lineup and best team. We love our 13+3+1=17

Well to be honest at that time Samuel was way too young, he was either 10 or 11 yrs old which made his mother pull him out but I do wonder what could have happened if Samuel did Debut in Seventeen

It’s so weird cause I used like watching Samuels dramas and I didn’t even know what kpop was at the time. And now years later I like seventeen and just found out his ass was gonna be in seventeen.

The green room is just-

If you're bl fan you would know who is jang doyoon. he's from "sing my crush" bl drama oh god i just came to know today tht he was about to debut with seventeen

Mingming actually didn't left , he was removed by pledis out of Xenophobia , nd Jun was in the verge of being removed at that time too .

Wow! I just learned something new today. 😮

I always thought it was 13 members, 3 units and 1 group. = 17

Love the members now, hope they will be together forever❤

I became Samuel’s fan after I watched Produce 101 season 2 and Sweet Revenge season 1 series!❤ But I think the reason for Samuel is that Samuel was too young to debut with Seventeen at that time!

Oh I knew few things but not in such detail!~ Kinda curious tho, did they get the wrong picture of TEMPEST here? I feel like they used the 2022 TEMPEST pictures here. Also the way they were mentioning Seungcheol and Jihoon being part of TEMPEST felt like they are mentioning totally different people and not S.Coups and Woozi haha. Also random fun fact, I recently got to know that apparently Actor Kim Mingue had trained for like a month or so with Seventeen before he realized he is more interested in perusing acting I think.

There's no denial that pledis is a shitty company . Very great at sabotaging their own idols and also extremely poor management and security but they did a great job in assembling these 13 beautiful people . Seventeen is what seventeen made themselves . But the extreme psychological , physical hurdles fhey went through to prove themselves is really heartbreaking . The fact that after school , nuest , pristin all were monster rookies but had to disband because of their management sends chills down my spine.

Samuel was one of my favorite biracial idols. When I first learned that he is half-Mexican, I was happy to see a half latino representing themselves in the Kpop industry because I am one too, despite how racist and colorist some Koreans are towards the Latino community. He could try to have a Spanish music career and star in telenovelas if he wanted to, so he can represent himself in both industry, it might also boost up his success further.

Ok then what about actor Kim mingyu from buisness proposal he also revealed that he was trained with seventeen too

BTW I'm actually fan of Kim Samuel, I even watched his kdrama Revenge note 2, he's just wow! I even watch his video now, he sings Justin songs so nicely! He looks so good, don't know why he's not famous Love you ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ Samuel

It would be cool if seventeen have 17 members. But I think ot13 would be betther. (no hate) . I am sorry if there is enything wrong. (spelling and writeing) ...

I hope Sameul gets the hype he deserves

I really really admire Samuel!!

not to be offensive but the group is perfect the way it is

Why did you deleted that new video about GOT7 ? :) (FYI I'm IGOT7)

The only member that will always have a place in Seventeen and Carat's hearts is Samuel. For everyone else (esp Doyoon) we don't care.

6:32 I was pretty sure I'd seen Jang Doyoon somewhere before and I realised he was the lead in the korean BL drama I've watched recently called 'Sing My Crush'

One of the former members, Jang Doyoon went to the acting path a few years ago but I dont know what happened now to the guy 😢

it was kinda hard not seeing samuel debut into Seventeen because of his young age but it was for the best

Uhh I think you used a picture of present Yuehua Tempest and not Pledis Tempest 😅

Jang doyoon is also lead from sing my crush bl

OG KPop fans still remember when the news came out that Pledis plans to form a group that is similar to SJ.. SJ was a 13 member boy group then Henry and Zhou Mi came in and was part of the SJ sub-group SJ-M, thus making them 15-member boy group.. Pledis trying to make it as a 17 member boy group. But hey, SVT is now one of the hottest idol group..

Imagine dino not being the maknae

6:53 Who are these people though? 😅 I think you got the wrong Tempest group. 😅

Seventeen member’s future was really blurry back then… these 13 boys were destined to be tgt. Aside from Samuel, I’ve only heard the other trainees during Nu’est debut and Happy Pledis but then why do I feel like those who didn’t make it was quite problematic??

After watching NaNa tour, I learned that learning Korean traditional dances made lot of trainees left pledis..

It's time for everyone to stop talking about it fr. Every year I see new video from the same channel on the same topic.. 17=13 that's it.

My precious Samuel❤️

The title is so wrong lmao.They weren't even the members of the group to begin wtih and calling them "forgotten members" is just so funny.

I really proud to be carat for along time 😊

I said this and I was told I was wrong. I knew there was supposed to be 17 members lol

Doyoon was actually in a BL last year (Sing My Crush) as one of the main roles. (Which if you haven't seen it I recommend it).

omggg punch made that epic song for a kdrama

Where is samuel now?

Baby Samuel left the group since he was too young 😢 watching their pre debut seventeen member babying him it hurts they could've been together but I understand the mother choice😢

I have no idea why i think such things But isn't 17 members To much and Then we have nct with 26 yeah i nearly lost my mind when i found out how many members nct has

Samuel is back this 2024❤

AND now we know, 17 is supposed to be 13. I thought Minghao and Mingming has met before that show because before they join 17TV members have training sessions so they have met at the moment . and Hao was the fan of 17TV, so he knew Mingming. I know the 4 of them.. and i know that Carat just can accept Miming and Samuel as 17' brothers...

I love svt so much

Kim would have been a perfect mix with them I hate he didn't proceed but it wasn't him he was definitely still under parents jurisdiction lol

I kinda don't like the other 2 except for Samuel and Mingming. Those two got on my bad side when I heard about what they did/said. :/ But still, I can't imagine SEVENTEEN without the 13 members or with anyone else aside from the 13 of them. TT^TT It was meant to be. I wish the others well tho, especially Samuel and Mingming, and may they reach their dreams.

When I heard that boy group survival show Boys Planet is coming I expect Samuel will compete because I will spend all my votes to him.😔

And I always ask myself why is seventeen named seventeen but they have 13 members only

IDK but it's just my take on Seventeen like it is made of people who stayed until the end. Even after knowing the fact that the company was on the verge of bankruptcy, they stayed for their dreams and worked hard together to achieve them without much help from company so I feel the OT13 members are the ones who were destined to be together. P.S I cannot imagine Seventeen without Hao and Hannie, always OT13! Samuel has my heart and wish others too the best of luck.

I think that if Samuel in this group how happy Dino are???😂😂😂

Samuel was just a trainee.. Seventeen was destined to be just 13.. I Cant imagine Dino to be Hyung haha hes the only Maknae of Seventeen. No one else.

Im eating steak right now

samuellll💔

Can Korea banned dispatch!! Idols get many hate because of dispatch Kpop idols should have privacy!!!!

OT13 ❤