The media is a business. Negativity sells. Even in 1975.

@@harrynicholes3166 There's plenty of negativity to be had here without smearing the dead. The media should have focused their blasting on the lack of safety features preventing this sort of thing. I guess the media was too cowardly to attack a live target.

Some British media has a penchant for sensationalizing stories at the expense of individuals. I suspect that once the system failures came to light they mainly ignored that aspect because it would be critical of the railway company, and that company had they money to fight back.

@@harrynicholes3166 some things never change

Agreed. Just generally, one thing I would like to see more of in the world is "has this person generally been a good joe? ok, then maybe we can skip over some of the hating and keep their record in mind"

I like how you used 'leave room for chaos'. I believe that is the most fitting way to include the inexplicable. I shall have to remember that for the future. Beautiful wording.

Chaos finds a way.

"Vanishingly unlikely" actually translates as 'becoming more likely.' Increasing improbable.

@@SeventhSwell Chaos is the way with us somehow managing to keep things in edorr .

@@stuartmiller7419 Yup, you're right. Shoulda been "vanishingly likely." Or "the chances are vanishingly small of this happening again."

It seems the most likely, his profile is practically a textbook none suicide candidate, its a shame as he (and the others too) clearly had so much to live for.

No joke, found out I was gluten intolerant because I was having my brain scanned to see if I was having absence seizures to explain my constant absent staring. Turns out I wasn't, but the doctor brought up gluten intolerance to explain my feeling I'll eating spaghetti and my stunted growth for 4 years. Weird seeing absent seizures brought up again

Wouldn't he have had time to stop the train if absent seizures only last for a few seconds?

I think they can last longer than a few seconds, but I might be wrong

@@displayer6023 they can sometimes last a lot longer than a few seconds. I used to have a classmate that had them and they sometimes could last for a minute or two.

Except for the train guard, who wasn't mentioned in this video but could be seen and read about in one of the newspaper excerpts shown. Apparently, he was reading a newspaper instead of Manning his station, where he could have applied the emergency brake. But yes, still all in all a true tragedy.

Exactly my thoughts. Most of the disasteds featured on this channel were caused by negligence, profit over people or mistakes of single individuals. This one right here would be a textbook tragedy, because apparently nobody is at fault

@@singenstattatmen5096 Yikes! That's an important detail...

Considering how in this case the driver, a human, was a single point of failure that separated a normal day from disaster, you could count this one as being caused by organisational negligence, poor system design, poor/not performed risk assessment. This disaster started long before Mr. Newson set foot in the cab.

@@singenstattatmen5096 There have been other accidents on railways where a guard realises a driver is going too fast, but hesitates to use his brake, perhaps thinking the driver will realise his error, or worried he will annoy his colleague by slamming on the brake. It only takes a couple of seconds hesitation and it's too late.

On another video a comment from someone who said he was a former Tube worker suggested a condition like yours may have been a factor. Apparently the lights in the tunnels were on due to maintenance works (usually they are kept off) and that the train passing these lights may have created a flashing / hypnotic effect that caused an involuntary “lockout” in Mr. Newsome, hence his appearing to be awake but un-moving. Some have said that, in some cases like these, the person is awake and aware but unable to move or react. If this was the case, I cannot imagine how mortifying it must have been to see that wall rushing up, knowing you and many others on the train are about to die and being able to do absolutely nothing about it.

@@WardyLion Sounds like that is the most likely reason. Either it was cost by a seizure or something else medically wise. It’s still very tragic and absolutely had to be horrible especially in those final moments..unable to do anything as the train speeds on to impact hard.

@@NWOWCW4Life1 It had to be something like that. If he just lost concentration then the jolt of the train going over the crossover track just outside the station and / or the sudden light should have snapped him out of it. Plus he was familiar with the route and was conscientious so it had to be something more severe. The Daily Mail pushed the suicide theory hard but apparently the “journalist” who wrote the story lost his father in the crash so it was heavily biased (surprise, surprise) and many, myself included, consider it to be bunk.

Thats wild, your condition sounds almost like you get hypnotized.

Reading this comment, this particular seizure seems interesting since the tunnel had a bright red light at the end, so I wonder if that caused the seizure.

#3 makes me wonder if train operators can suffer from white line fever. I dunno if this term exists in the UK but another term for it is Highway Hypnosis. If you have ever driven while tired/fatigued and gone miles and do not remember those miles that is a form of it.

@@filanfyretracker You can also fall asleep. I'm very prone to it at night, so I don't drive at night.

@@filanfyretracker this has happened to me multiple times over my 55 years. I'll be driving listening to music and all of the sudden it's like I snap out of something. I hadn't lost consciousness. But I'll think "wow, I'm already at such and such street. I don't remember going past the shopping center or whatever". I never really thought about it before.

This theory and info from other channels does make sense. Hits to the head are something to take seriously.

Thanks for the added info UK Man, those previous distressing experiences could have certainly affected Mr Newson. I can't imagine the horrors the survivors and rescue personell experienced. A terrible tragedy indeed.

My hat is off to the first responders. It's likely many of them would have suffered from PTSD after attending such a horrific incident.

The reactions of both those inside the train and their rescuers were really impressive, especially given the conditions. I think people are generally goodhearted and will try to help in those sorts of situations

Yeah it doesn't really sound like a man who considers suicide. Especially the buying his daughter a car part. Sounds like she meant a lot to him, and he wouldn't have let her down/traumatized her. So yes I think you are right.

@@zxxDarkLightxxz If you were suicidal you wouldn't not do it because of buying a car. Trivialising it!

@@lizb4156 maybe you are right. I just wouldn't think he would let his daughter down. It wasn't a car for himself so. But what do I know. I don't know the man obviously

One theory is that the driver had a Transient Ischemic Attack (TIA) which left him unable to slow the train. That seems to fit as the driver was, apparently, staring straight ahead and made no attempt to slow down.

Agreed. And made worse by lack of security features/maintenance. I have always felt, that Mr. Newson was a convinient scapegoat for the company to avoid owning up to all the deficiencies. Helped along by the fact, that while today several medical conditions have been found and described, that would explain Mr. Newson appearing conscious but unmoving to the ppl on the platform, these conditions were unknown in the 70s. However, I have never understood, why Mr. Newson was so fully blamed, while the security guard apparently got off without any blame or condemnation, when he was provably not at his station in violation of several safety rules, and had he been at his station to apply the emergency brake, the train wouldve stopped in time. Also, the inconsistency in blaming Mr. Newson, coz if he intended to deliberately crash the train, he would have to count on the security guard to be away from his station, or it wouldnt work, which to a stickler for the rules, as Mr. Newson clearly was, would be unthinkable. The case for Mr. Newson deliberately crashing the train never made any logical sense at all for those reasons and so many others, and it could only be argued by cherrypicking certain facts and ignoring everything else, letting the security guard (who survived) off the hook and willfully ignoring any other (much more likely) possibilities. Which all fits with a company eager to place blame elsewhere and escape scrutiny. And who easier to blame than the deceased operator. With enough cherrypicking and twisting of facts ofc.

@@dfuher968 I never considered that! You raise very good points!

@@dfuher968 Also is suspicious the secret files which aren't allowed to be seen for I can't remember how many years. I watched another documentary where LU saying they took the brake system off this train and fitted in another train and worked perfectly. I don't believe that seeing the state of the carriages that they could just do that. I suspect a cover up by LU more likely.

It’s gaining exposure because this accident highlights the fallibility of humans and the importance of automation.

Love your vivid description of uselessness! I vote that every dictionary should change the definition of 'useless' to yours!

I've had one seizure like that in my life, and it was terrifying. Fully awake and aware and _zero_ control over my actions, which, just so happened to be seizing up and falling off a gurney while cognizant enough to be thinking "what on earth is happening?"

I had epilepsy in my childhood, and those were exactly the same seizures i tended to have. Completely zoned out while sitting there staring off into space.

I have PNES's (psychogenic non-epileptic seizures) and I have those exact same seizures. I can feel them creeping up on me (I think that's the "aura" that people with seizures say they have, I'm new to all of this), but I have very little time to react before the seizure itself hits me. Suddenly, I can't move or talk or anything. I can only look around in fear and confusion and twitch my fingers and toes. It takes all of my energy and focus to very slowly move just a limb, up to the point where I have to hold my breath to do anything. Most attacks last a minute or two, but I've had an attack that lasted for over 20 minutes, and I only know that because I video-recorded it. My sense of time was heavily warped during the actual attack. It's all terrifying

My coworker has epilepsy and he describes his seizures as periods of confusion and nonsensical statements. If something irritates him enough he'd have a string of them in a day. He also doesn't drive because of it. Which sucks when you live in a city with whack public transportation 🙄

Exactly! I'm the same type of person, always taking notes to improve my performance at work. Conscientious people are mentally stable, not raving lunatics. Very true that such companies always blame the person who cannot defend himself. Very true that is!

Plot twist: he was busy taking notes.

@@krisztianpovazson4535 With his hand still on the lever ? I think not

@@Karen-dm5lb that was a joke.

@@0210mick And quite an obvious one at that.

Jesus, really?

@@arcticfoxinsox indeed, yes. He served in the LFB for 18 years. I remember as a child he would breathe in his sleep as though using a charcoal respirator. This was usually an indication that he was reliving some awful event from his days in the Fire Service. Whenever we asked him what the nightmare was about, the recurring theme was cutting through to the cab with a torch and recovering Leslie's body. He often described to us the sweltering heat built up in the tunnel due to the cutting torches. He still gets upset when discussing it to this day.

@@dmitryivanova481 Bloody hell man, that’s mental. He’s a hero for doing that though

Wow

I hope he's doing well

Many of them had been through the war, it was a very different mentality, one we could do with learning from as panic is often the biggest problem :(

That's the British mentality for you. No matter the situation, stay calm until you're safe. Panicking helps no one.

The stiff upper lip mentality. We could do with a bit more of it nowadays.

“after being flung a few feet” You do realise that heads and limbs were severed in the impact?

Have you seen that video of the british man whose car crashes and spins around and he exits carefully like "well that was scary". Brits are usually very rational in situations like this.

That's most likely indeed especially the clasping of the so-called Dead Man's Stick!

It's possible.

it would make the most sense in my opinion. there’s countless stories of people having seizures while driving and their leg gets locked into place on the accelerator causing the vehicle to uncontrollably gain speed

@@matthewmccoy7437 My mom had a TIA while driving and hit another car. Fortunately no serious injuries.

Or he was a brother against nato: guided by allah.

I agree. I also use captions, and I always appreciate when care has been taken.

I'm surprised that more channels don't do this. I have always added captions to all my videos and then checked the timing afterwards. It doesn't take much effort and it helps with the yotube algorithm as well.

yes this!! i appreciate it as someone who is rapidly losing their hearing. such a blessing to have

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Seizures can have really tragic unintended consequences. I live in Southern California, land of swimming pools and jacuzzi spas/hot tubs. Our news reported one day that a man arrived home from to find the bodies of both his wife and child on the bottom of their (unheated) spa. It was concluded by authorities that, it being a warm day, she went outside with her baby to cool off by sitting in the spa, suffered a seizure, and they both slipped under the water and died. Just a doubly tragic accident.

Vasovagal Syncope, I knew someone with that condition, and she could literally be standing there talking to you, only to drop like a puppet with it's strings cut, with NO warning.

I've had that happened to myself and it's frightening coming to laying on the ground.

@@bigdoug1558 I remember once being out for lunch with a work colleague at a pizza joint. No joking, somewhat funny now (only due to the scenario) but I came too face down in the pizza in front. I ‘just’ lost consciousness- has happened a handful of times in my 56 years but never anything diagnosed.

I can't ever think of Glasgow as an accident, although the previous medical episodes only came to light during the inquiry the driver obviously knew beforehand and it was all preventable. I can understand his motivation as it would affect his employment and finances but it's just not worth it. I wish I could say lessons were learned and procedures changed after Glasgow but that sadly isn't the case. I had a medical problem in 2018 and voluntarily gave up driving HGV's even though I was still passed as medically fit. From my initial collapse to my licence being revoked took 20 months, during that time I had 6 heart attacks but retained my licence and legally could have got back behind the wheel. It would have been so easy to continue with the same employer, move to a different company or sign on with an agency as I had a valid licence all along. The risk wasn't worth it yet the safety of myself and other road users hinged around me being the one to inform the DVLA of the problem. Despite everything that was happening I was still able to pass the medical until the DVLA ordered and paid for a specific test that is far beyond anything the standard medical requires. They only asked for that as I informed them of each heart attack as they happened. Yes by law I was required to do so but it would have been so easy to 'forget' to do so and they would have no idea there was a problem and the risks it posed. Given the time period the train crash featured occurred, the medical knowledge of the time and the nature of absent seizures I doubt the train driver had the same options I had, by their very nature he wouldn't be aware of them as they happened and the result was devastating. My heart goes out to those who were affected but Glasgow wasn't an accident and more needs to be done to avoid a repeat of that day.

@@abcdefg3315 yes he behaved appallingly. He knew he had the medical condition and did not disclose it. He was a walking timebomb and to show no remorse is unforgivable

A good theory. A silent stroke could have had a similar effect to a seizure.

I was scrolling through the comments to see if anyone mentioned the possibility of a stroke. About a decade ago I was driving home from work after a 17 hour shift and a little over halfway, while driving through the neighboring town, I was passed by a BNSF railway vehicle speeding and weaving across the highway into the oncoming lane of traffic. After calling 911 and tailing the truck at a safe distance for 12 tense, frightening miles (there were a few times it looked like there would be a head-on collision), he ended up plowing into the back of a UPS delivery truck at a stop light just a couple of blocks from where I lived at the time. There were already a couple of emergency vehicles on the scene ad I pulled into the gas station parking lot where they were to see if I needed to leave a statement since I had been on the phone with the 911 operator until the call was unexpectedly dropped, and that's when I found out the driver wasn't drunk, but had suffered a stroke.

Or he was a brother against nato: guided by allah.

A stroke is actually something that should be pretty visible on an autopsy. Since they conducted one, I assume they did not find anything. Then again, I would understand if there was too much damage to the body to be certain.

I only heard of absence seizures two weeks ago when my friend's husband had one. He was sitting having tea and suddenly just froze staring into space, not moving, no responding etc. He was taken to the hospital given all kinds of tests etc and nothing was found wrong with him and so they concluded it was an absence seizure.

i have something similar a every know and then when i just space out

My dog had cluster seizures and would have absent seizures preceding grand mal clusters, he didn't tend to do it with petite mal. He would just freeze often at a wall and just stare. If bumped into you could knock him down. He would seem to come out of it but was disoriented and non responsive then would go into a grand mal within minutes.

@@evil1by1 I'm so sorry. My little one doesn't have cluster seizures, but he can tell when one is starting. He knows I'll hold him, so he runs to me and I can tell by the look in his eyes that a seizure is about to start. I grab a blanket, wrap him up tight, and just hold him until it's over.

My dog has absence seizures. It is how I know her meds need adjusting. My vet figured her out. She took her to her home for a long weekend and was able to help her. My vet is amazing. She goes above and beyond. My dogs seizures began with a grand mal seizure.

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Or he was a brother against nato: guided by allah.

Is that the one where the equipment belonging to rescue personnel was stolen

That incident occurred the January after I finished year 12! Along with poor track-maintenance, the significant factors in the disaster was that when the bridge was built the deck was a metre below the road-level, so their solution was simply to add a metre of concrete on top, meaning that all that weight instantly crushed the old wooden carriages & the passengers inside when the locomotive hit the steel supports!

Yes please!! My mother had missed that train by a couple of seconds that day!!

@@davvvvo I don't think it is known for its theft issues it had but i did hear that apparently some tools, medical supplies and fire fighters equipment, as well as personal items and such where stolen but it was mainly small incidents. the thing that slowed the rescue was a gas leak meaning the tools were useless anyway. still for those couple of incidents it was mainly a lot of good hearted people trying to help. From my recollection of the story anyway. it would be interesting to see what someone could dig up.

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As opposed to "petite morte," which is something completely different.

My youngest sibling had seizures they grew out of too; I don't remember the exact diagnosis but once when they were drinking they had one that lasted long enough to down the entire bottle of chocolate milk and ended up puking all it back up because they hadn't swallowed properly during the seizure. It was a scary few years because they would have those moments basically every half hour and they weren't ever aware during, which would be distressing for my sibling as well because to their mind they suddenly were a minute into the future and had someone yelling at them not to walk off the edge of a thing.

I had petite mal too. If I was reading a book I was just stop and stare at it. I still think I have it a bit because I zone out alot. Normally when I'm doing something monotonous. I've never heard anyone else say they had it, so thanks for that.

@@sr2172 Welcome! I don’t even remember the episodes. That was a long time ago.

My Mom had that too! She used to have seizures all the time as a toddler but now she's 50+ years without one.

Sorry for your loss and the loss of family members of the deceased. Glad no one passed in the second incident but still very scary.

Great suggestion, man what a living nightmare to cover.

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I’ve noticed that Bob Harris hardly gets mentioned at all in most stories about this case. Strange.

What coverage I can find mentions that he was officially cleared of any responsibility and suggests that, given the speed with which everything happened, he would not have been able to recognise the problem and stop the train in time even if he had been at his post. (Being at the back of the train, it would be harder to tell that it wasn't slowing down at the exact moment it should.) If that's accurate then that might be why people don't want to mention him and add extra negative attention.

A guards job was to open and close the doors. On that stock of trains, if the guard had been standing in his correct position, his head would have been above the door window. So it would have been difficult for him to see and judge where the train was in the station.

for the time taken to realise that an overshoot was happening and to get to the emergency brakes (this was not within his role), the train would have already stopped.

Guards have different duties on different trains

Or he was a brother against nato: guided by allah.

The 70's were actually nicer times than today imho..

@@jane.c.c Save for the rash of serial killers and the satanic panic starting yeah, they really were better than today. And somehow this statement is both sarcastic and serious.

@@minimm2013 I dunno if it was the starting point of it all, or just the moment when everyone became more aware of it all. I know that I never felt threatened like I do today.. Had a ton of fun in the 70's

@@minimm2013 Whats the satanic panic?

The 70s were the worst. We survivors still have PTSD just from living through the decade.

Another example would be Celsius and Fahrenheit. Simple things like that may not seem like much to some people but I definitely appreciate when things of that nature are also calculated to where I can understand them. Some channels just use measurements that a lot of us aren't too familiar with in the US (and vice versa) and I typically have to look it up to better understand the story.

I just wish he'd prioritise the measurement of the country the incident happened in (I,e saying miles and then kilometers for the UK/US or metres and then miles for Europe)

@@MrJoeyWheeler Yeah, that makes sense so I can definitely agree with that.

Was the first thing that came to mind. All we know is that he didn't collapse & become atonic. Unfortunately, everything else is pure speculation, and based upon witness reports from people who will have only seen him for a split second, through a tiny window, from an angle... it's very poor that the media essentially decided the man killed himself & took others with him.

Or he was a brother against nato: guided by allah.

A dead man's handle does not require a grip it has to be physically pushed DOWNWARDS constantly and is designed that if you stop applying a downward pressure it will pop up and stop the train. If he were to LOCK UP his hand would NOT apply a downward pressure. If you try and push downwards even the slightest "snooze" would make your hand pop upwards.

@@markylonWhen you have a seizure, your muscles contract. For example in a tonic clonic seizure, your jaw clenches together (I know from experience). Therefore it’s completely the opposite to fainting, in which your muscles go weak. As someone who’s had a seizure, I can quite imagine how a contraction of hand muscles would cause a force on the dead man’s handle.

Wow, scary!! Did he ever have another seizure?

@@SarahB1863 no he never did, but the incident scared him so badly that he took the depakote for the rest of his life. That was the seizure medication they prescribed to him. They said once you have a seizure you're always at risk for having more. He said he was never afraid of anything more in his life than having another seizure, he was afraid it would happen when he was driving. He didn't remember the incident at all, yet influenced the rest of his life.

Or he was a brother against nato: guided by allah.

@@carrielange2692 holy shit I hope that you're doing alright after that. No doubt that event was also traumatic for you.

Animals should not be kept in zoo's or captivity of any sort.

@@sharynkhan1104 Okay time to release my dogs back into the wild then. And time for the zoos to release captivity-raised animals into the wild where they won't know how to survive. Animals that are born in zoos belong in zoos for their own safety, as you can't rehabilitate an animal that's never been in the wild. And what about endangered animals in zoos? Some of them are quite literally the last of their species and zoos are keeping them so they can start breeding programs to hopefully reverse the damage we've already caused. Yeah some zoos are shitholes but most zoos make sure animals can't escape. In fact, most of the keepers don't even get attacked by big predators. It's usually zebras or meerkats. Fucking OTTERS usually cause more chaos, and one keeper was disemboweled by an anteater (I don't know what led to the attack but anteaters are fucking blind and resort to violence, plus their claws are strong enough to break through concrete). You probably won't see or respond to this or read the wall of text but zoos can be extremely important to animal conservation and the idea that "no animal should be in captivity" not only endangers the animals themselves but human beings too.

I don't see why not. Sometimes unfortunate events just happen and there's nothing that could have been done. There doesn't always need to be a "villain" and accepting that and seeing things are being done to make sure nothing like it ever happens again can also lead to closure.

It's also human nature to want answers.

@@tamfuwing1 Yes but for some reason modern humans seem to find it difficult to accept that bad stuff, sometimes really bad stuff, can happen without anyone being at fault, to blame or "accountable" to use the great buzz word. This was one such occasion.

Or he was a brother against nato: guided by allah.

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British Railways also changed the signalling into a dead end platform from a green aspect to a single yellow after this accident. Although I am sure in my mind the driver had some kind of seizure there was also the possibility of him thinking he was entering the previous station as that line had a similar approach to each station. British Rail had in the past had a driver become disorientated and only realised they were in a different location at the last moment.

Or he was a brother against nato: guided by allah.

This was 1938 stock, the D stock ran on the District line

@@benalowery I thought so. I thought they showed a picture of a D stock train very quickly at the start, or near the start, of the video.

Didn’t expect to see you here!

Very cool that you are out here supporting your fellow disaster content creators! Love both yours and FH's channels

I think he'd over-run signals no more than twice previously.

I read this in your voice, John, lol. How would you rate this disaster on your legacy scale? Oh, I hope it's currently sunny and lovely in your Southeastern corner of the UK. 🌞🌼

@@throttlegalsmagazineaustra7361 Third time lucky, then.

Thank you

You're also very gullible 🤡🥱🙄

It could be. The one thing that kinda speaks against a medical condition though is that apparently this happened to him before. I'd think he would speak about it with someone instead of just keep driving.

@@k_ir3868 Do you mean in the moment? When blood sugar dips dangerously low, you can be pretty much blacked out even if your eyes are open and you’re sitting or standing up. My brother loses awareness and can’t communicate if he has an incident and doesn’t get his glucose pack in time, so he has an alarm built into his auto blood sugar detector that beeps to snap him back to attention if possible, and will also start calling emergency phone numbers until it’s turned off. I am really struck by the description of the way the driver stood gripping the switch staring ahead and how that is exactly what my brother did during the first incident of his I witnessed, a few years after he was diagnosed. Once the paramedics got him to come to, he looked around and realized what had happened and was like “oh shit sorry guys”. Imagine that happening behind the wheel…or at the controls. He doesn’t drive anymore because he’s afraid of causing an accident even though it’s well managed now.

@@MegCazalet im not sure anymore if this was sayed in this documentary or I read it somewhere else but apparently before this incident the driver had activated the brakes too late and almost crashed another time.

Yeah, he'd had recent head injuries, and had overshot platforms 2 other times in the days prior to the accident. Seems it may have been a recent issue. I wonder how aware he was of what was actually going on - what did he think had happened after he overshot those other 2 platforms? Did he write it off after the fact as "just" having been distracted and inattentive? I just keep thinking about those notes he had on him that day about how to be a safer driver, you know?

Look at 09:38 his name is on the memorial.

Thanks for pointing that out, didn’t see it for some reason, must have had a moment!! Glad his name is there as it should be..

A glassy-eyed, blank facial expression is also typical of absence seizures.

Never heard of that one. Interesting.

Nobody does.

@@harrynicholes3166 first I reply and then I read the other peoples comments. I'd rather say what I think before being influenced by other peoples opinions. Get what I mean?