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I literally just started watching this on my bed as I was about to sleep. Yet it is banned now. I don't know what to do.

New Pokémon item: Warm Blanket. When asleep, the Pokémon's Special Defense is greatly boosted.

Nemona is starting to become an unofficial mascot for this channel the way these thumbnails are going.

Gen 1 sleep: you need to waste a turn to wake up. Gen 5 sleep: the number of sleep turns resets if you switch out. Which of these mechanics is more disgustingly broken?

Sleep in Gen1 is insane. Sleep in Gen1 without Sleep Clause is EVIL.

Sleep clause was baked into Pokémon Stadium - every cup and gym leader castle has this clause.

I think part of the reason Sleep is so controversial is the constant changing of how it works. In one gen it could last for 1-5 turns and not reset upon switching out, while in another it could last 1-3 turns while also resetting upon switching out. It seems TPC couldn't make up their minds on how it actually worked until recently.

I think the reason the sleep ban was so controversial was HOW it was implemented. Namely that it was ban via a council vote vs a public suspect test. There were valid reasons given and hindsight shows that it did have merit, but it sat wrong with a lot of people. Especially since the Survey they put for vote had "Banning Sleep" Sit at 3.7 for the council and 3.3 for general. (For context, you'd put a number between 1 and 5, with 1 being balanced and 5 being banworthy. The final result is the average of all the votes.) People felt that Sleep should have been tested instead of instabanned. In the end of the day, people begrudgingly went along since it was something most felt good for the scene, but the manner it was done certainly left a bad taste in some peoples mouth.

😮the truth is a Breloom actually murdered all of the OU council's parents in an alleyway so now it's considered the most terrifying pokemon with both spore and baton pass Fun fact: he actually used Baton Pass to Escape the cops and is still at large to this very day

shoutouts to Mega Mewtwo Y for being immune to sleep for some reason

Sleep and Rest don’t feel like real words anymore after just the gen 1 section

I love how Nemona has become a recurring character for these thumbnails lol

Who needs sleep when you have showdown

I recall Sleep clause being on Stadium 2, Colosseum, and XD. They also had freeze clause.

New item: the santa clause It only works on delibird, but if the opponent attempts to put the pokemon to sleep you instantly win the battle and the opponent cannot sleep irl until next Christmas

It's also worth remembering that the version of Sleep Clause for Nintendo Cup 1997 also doesn't resemble the modern idea of Sleep Clause at all: It also counted Rest-Sleep, so you couldn't use Hypnosis if an opposing mon in the back had used Rest and swapped out.

These meme thumbnails are absolutely glorious.

To add the the list of reasons why players weren't all for the gen 9 sleep ban, was because apart from Darkrai, and maybe Iron Val, sleep didn't feel bad. Hypno val is release and DLC 1 wasn't getting the status banned, and it took Darkrai with hypno + nasty plot AND sash for the mechanic to really feel overwhelming. Then when discussions about the ban were being brought up, players who didn't feel like it should go, and in turn, basically kill the viability of those slow grass types who's identity and value was based on their ability to sleep (Like amoungus and breloom), were offering different solutions to the problem, such as only banning hypnosis as its inaccuracy and presence on the faster and stronger mons in the tier meant that when sleep was being abused, it was the main offender. But after all the public discussion, instead of a public test and vote, it was eventually banned by console vote as a whole, leaving a lot of people feeling unheard and bitter about the loss of some fan favorite pokes just to keep a mon who's been banned for 5 generations in the tier.

My very first ever competitive pokemon battle was on an old simulator (NetBattle Supremacy) where you could challenge people with your own set of clauses. I didn't know what any of those were so i left them unchecked and ended up sleeping everything with a Breloom. Truly a battle of all time.

I really love Nemona being in all these thumbnails

I wish they'd just replace it with the drowsy status for Legends. Same with frostbite and freeze.

The thumbnail guy for this channel just really likes Nemona.

Remember guys: sleep is important and you should get at least 7-8 hours of sleep oer day

I'll always hate paralysis more than sleep

The diffrence between Singles and VGC is so dtrastically diffrent, i love keeping up with both metagames cuz its so intresting how Pokemon or mechanics in one format can either suck or be broken in the other. Incineroar is the perfect example with it being the king VGC but down in like... RU in Singles

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...been away for too long. Htf did sleep get banned?!?!

Another important thing to mention about sleep, especially in Gen 9. One of the ways you can sorta try to play around sleep is doing a sleep sack, basically you switch in the least important Pokemon in the battle in on a sleep move so that something more impactful doesn't need to worry about it. However, the shaky accuracy of most sleep moves means that sometimes your strategic play can get foiled by dumb luck, putting you in a far worse position than if your Mon had gotten slept. Now the Darkrai or Valiant gets another free turn to do whatever they want, such as choosing to KO the Pokemon right in front of them so that they can potentially land the hit on another juicy sleep target

Off topic, but I love how Nemona is featured in these competitive thumbnails.

Important note about Gen 9 is that we largely don't have good Electric/Misty terrain users unlike Gen 7 for example where Koko or Fini are everywhere. Our Electric Surge mon is Pincurchin and our Misty Surge mon is Normal/Galarian Wheezing which also really wants Levitate for the ground and spikes immunity or Neutralizing Gas for gimmicking poison immune technicalities like Garg or Gliscor for example. Once we get Fini or Koko back, or just good misty/electric terrain setters in general, I think it'll prolly come back

I love how creative that thumbnail is lol

I think the nerf to the defensive Pokemon in the form of limited recovers and less available soft-boiled, reduced toxic distribution was also significant ... Their reduced viability meant that the metagame was essentially faster than before and much more on the offensive side and each turn held more weightage than it used to do before, which made sleep even more impactful in a generation like Gen 9.

This video misses out something big from Gen 2 onwards… the introduction of the cleric role with the new move Heal Bell. Now, Sleep is no longer guaranteed to leave something useless, as you can remove the status while the sleeping Mon is in your party. Aromatherapy followed in Gen 3, increasing the amount of mons able to heal teammates. Also in Generation 3 we get the introduction of abilities, some of which help against sleep, like Early Bird, Natural Cure, or Shed Skin to wake up early, and abilities like Insomnia which causes a user to become immune to sleep entirely. These new anti-sleep options, along with the grass type powder immunity as you mentioned all contribute to why Gen 1 had the most powerful sleep, and as to why each generation is slowly felt less busted, not just sleep mechanic changes from generation to generation.

Huh, a 30+ minute FSG vid that doesn’t bring up Tyranitar. That’s a first!

I think the way to fix it without getting rid of the mechanic, is to make being put to sleep automatically restore like 1/8 or 1/16th of health, sorta like Rest, but since rest is done on purpose you get a full heal. Also, give sleep talk a bonus to moves that it uses, so a 10% boost to the power of any move that sleep talk selects.

Status was never a problem in gen 9 to me because of my Garganacl purifying salt ability.

Nemona in the thumbnail= big win

No way they banned sleep.

“Pokémon has now banned sleep” is a headline I’d like to see

I love that Nemona has started to become the mascot for these videos

How useful was the move Dream Eater dealing with the sleep?

I can imagine gimmicky Garticuno sets using Psycho Shift to rest talk in order to pass sleep to the opponent. That would be funny.

Oh hey a Pokemon is singing I wonder what it's singing abou-

i enjoy the layered joke in the thumbnail

Incredible thumbnail

Man I love the thumbnails of this channel

That art thumbnail is brilliant

Sleep apnea is no joke. Glad you’re living with it well

Paralysis is more annoying than Sleep. I will die on this hill. Why does my Speed get cut AND I have a chance to just lose my turn!?

Strange that Sneasler wasn't mention, because I remember the whole Sleep argument starting when Sneasler was added, and its Dire Claw bypassed the Sleep Clause due to it's RNG nature xDDDD (Yes, Sneasler was the broken one itself, but it certainly started the discussion on sleep's power XD)

"Sleep really is the cousin of death" Somebody wasn't paying attention to their classic mythology. Hypnos and Thanatos (or Somnus and Mors, if you prefer Latin) siblings, not cousins.

Lmao the thumbnail is too funny 😂

Hot take of the day: Gen 1 OU Hypnosis Gengar is objectively terrible and you’re far better off in a meta full of Thunder Wave running four attacks instead. Not only is 60% accurate sleep not worth it when it’s extremely easy to have a status absorber like lead Starmie, but gaining an extra moveslot for Psychic improves the Gengar mirror matchup significantly.

The thumbnail is perfect

This is as close as we’re getting to a Kellen reveal

I started competitive on Gen 4 online cart battles. Anything went, and you got used to dealing with sleep. What you were never prepared for was the baton pass teams using evasion boosts.

I actually already have a Manta sleep mask, and that shit's the best.

you do a good job of channeling BKC's rage in this one

I think more impressive than the video presentation or research (which is fantastic, make no mistake) is the incredible ability to translate every video topic into a meme for a thumbnail. How do they keep doing it?

And they still won't ban stealth rock in Gen 4.

BRO THATS THE MOST IVE EVER SEEN KELLEN, POKEMON GAMER EXTRAORDINAIRE

HAHA! I went to lay down for bed and saw the thumbnail and IMMEDIATELY needed to know what was going on!

Lol, smogon trying to define what pokemon is since the 2000's. Some things never change.

Guess there truly is no sleep till brooklyn now.

Formats really despise Darkrai huh? It was its signature move, now it's its ulterior motive. Darkrai deserves all the grudge, alongside Regigigas

Bro was waiting for a sleep sponsor to make this vid

Nemona being in all these thumbnails is something that I must see continue. She’s gonna be a mascot at this rate.

Relicanth is GOAT. Headsmashing other Pokemon with Rock Head ability until viagra doesn't work anymore. That thing is a beast!!!

If you ask me both sleep AND freeze are awful. They should've both been replaced by drowsy and frostbite respectively, the much better alternatives that were in Legends Arceus.

Never forget Xerneas with only sleep talk and moonblast

ou should just ban everything thats not tackle

11/10 thumbnail

In my opinion, sleep, while extremely powerful, was never the issue. Yes, it is luck based. Everything in Pokemon is luck based, damage rolls, critical hits etc. It sets a bad precedent - if sleep is banned, than what next? Paralysis? confusion? Infatuation? What about Hydrapple's Fickle Beam attack, isn't a move with a 20% chance to double in power up to 160 OP? Then what about Zap Cannon or Focus Blast? If you wanted to avoid luck based mechanics, you should probably have played TemTem instead. Darkrai and Iron Valiant should have been brought up to Ubers, not OU. And as for Hisuian Lilligant, to deal with it, it's more about keeping the weather in check than anything else, though safety goggles can come in handy.

I literally took a nap after watching this video.

I bet they'll ban confusion next. 50% chance to miss if you're slower and you get confused. It's even more broken against CPUs, they always shake it off next turn. But then again that's accuracy bias

I'm not saying that Sleep should or shouldn't stay, but if the main issue is RNG factor, I wonder why the also RNG intensive Paralysis hasn't even been glanced at, it can swing games just as much as sleep can and gets spread WAY more reliably

currently watching this 45 mins past when I should have gone to sleep

I can remember being a kid playing GEN 4 with my friends and I would always spam Dark Void with Darkrai 😂 We ended up agreeing that sleep spam was broken and banned it amongst our friend group

The Bill Cosby Theorem

One day there'll be paralysis clause, burn clause, damage clause..

Felt really bad for Leonard Craft for losing in the Indianapolis regionals semi-finals last week, mostly due to unlucky flinch and sleep. I know that luck is part of the competitive scene, but I think he was the better player, so it just felt cheap.

gen 5 really did add an absurd number of broken new/updated mechanics huh lol

I always found it funny that a move called rest restores your pokemon to full health but a pokemon being put to sleep and essentially doing the exact same thing just non intentionally doesnt get its health back.

I just wish they would stop randomly banning and unbanning sleep in real life.

personally... I think banning it outright is a little harsh. It's strange to think that people will kick and scream about being slept but will be completely ok with their entire team being Toxic stalled, or burned to deal half damage, or even paralyzed to become slower and lose a turn. Especially now that Sleep it countered by Grass the way Poison is countered by Poison and Steel, Burn by fire types, and Paralysis by Ground and Electric types (all of these having exceptions of course). It's stated that Hypnosis is basically a coin flip with it's 60% accuracy, needing an item or move to take up a vital spot in order for it to hit more consistently. Sleep Powder has a 75% accuracy and; while having a higher 3/4 chance to hit, you now have the normal counters to Sleep plus Grass-Types and Goggles if someone chooses. Then you have to deal with a 1-3 turn guessing game where you're either ballsy or too cautious. Things like this even riddle Pokemon by default where games can be decided based on RNG from moves, to abilities, to the statuses you gain. But people dislike Sleep because it wastes their time, it sucks being slept and it can equally suck when either side is just getting punted by lady luck. Moves like taunt on fast mons are more fair since it's like a read, a battle of wits as you neuter the other mon by denying them their utility; but people also have lost turns due to Paralysis or Confusion and even feel like they wasted a turn as the opponent pulls up a "protect" move or just recovers HP after all that hard work getting them low. Honestly sleep doesn't seem so brutal when you put it next to all the RNG it has to deal with in a game that has and always will have RNG. But now to the nitty gritty of it, the real sleep killers. There are only 2 100% accurate sleep moves in the entire game (at this point in time). One is Yawn, a move that requires set-up and can be circumvented by a switch-out (bonus points if you have one of the dozens of top OU mons that get U-turn, Volt-switch, or even Flip turn for free). But the one that most agree really hurts them is Spore. Spore is a unique case. It's basically a more accurate Sleep Power, having the ability to rival Toxic with that accuracy increase; but only 6 mons in the entire pokedex know this powerful move, and... they're honestly not all that special. Don't get me wrong, Breloom is a power house, but he's even more frail than Parasect and only really outspeeds tanks; but I'm getting ahead of myself. Let's look at them: Parasect: Bug-Grass type... (god why?) With only 60 base HP and 80 base Def and SpDef. His Atk is alright, with a nice 95, but like some of his other mushroom brethren, his speed is base 30... with snorlax levels of speed... Pros are his access to Spore and the Ability Dry skin that allow his to swap in on water types for free, and even though his typing has two 4x weaknesses, he resists both of the most offensive types in the game of Ground and Fighting, but that's all he's got. My best success is having him as a Spore, Leech Seeding, Substitute staller and switching in as the final mon when other threats have been taken away. Breloom: Grass-Fighting with less bulk than Parasect and only base 70 speed. Thier attack is amazing! with the ability to be a little more versatile with Technician and countering Toxic with Poison Heal, Breloom can be quite the hard hitter. But that's about where it ends... their entire point is to be a tank buster or gain momentum from a good switch in, but Breloom's lack of bulk means you'd either have to invest quite a bit into it to help absorb at least 1 hit, or just go fully into a glass cannon that will still be out-sped by most mons; and those mons could just 1 shot Breloom with a neutral move. Having Spore with Breloom can offer nice utility and a good wrench to throw into a 1v1, but they honestly don't need it as that could otherwise waste a turn or be useless to use when up against other speedsters or counters to Breloom Amoongus (sus?): Grass-Poison. Has much better bulk than the previous two, and with a decent typing that can deal with one of the best types (fairy) Amoongus can be a devastating tank/staller with Regenerator for quick swap outs. They have access to moves like Clear Smog to prevent set-up, and a decent split attacker for your choice of damaging options. But if I'm going to be honest, I found Amoongus to be much better with Toxic stalling than Sleep stalling. Amoongus' damage is just as I stated, "decent", but it can't really break through walls or even last against real heavy hitters even with its bulk. You'd be wasting your time sleeping then trying to do damage only for them to wake-up and recover, or swap out to utilize Sleep Clause (or to a mon that can't be slept), or just awaken to do massive damage that could kill. It'd be better to use Toxic as it has no clause and you can whittle down tanks more effectively; even if they use rest you know you have 2 turns for a swap and can send in another mon more capable of dealing with your opponent. Shiinotic: Grass-Fairy. Having more Special orientation and fairy stab, this little guy can swoop in to deny a Dragon-Type their sweep and has a very good SpAtk to reek havoc. They have the move Strength Sap which can be good to take a hit and reduce physical attackers power for others. That's.... honestly where it ends. They're not that bad per say but nothing makes them notable other than having Spore and fairy-typing with good SpAtk. Shiinotic is also slow as dirt but possesses some good moves to make them fill out more of a strange utility that can take down other Specialists with the same win/loss ratio. Their Abilities are kinda garbage though, Illuminate is literally useless in battle, Raindish is better with or against rain teams, and while I'd opt for Effect Spore, it can bone you when your opponent suddenly gets a status you don't want them to have. Toedscruel: Grass-Ground. Kind of in the same boat as Shiinotic as they have more special orientation, Toedscruel has gen 1 stats that make them lean more toward a specialist tank or the ability to be the fastest spore user. They have access to Rapid Spin, Hex, and some very good Ground moves that are mostly Special; so those weak to it are usually within a decent kill range. But their ability Mycelium Might forces them to always be last when using a status move. So if you're trying to use spore, you're forced to go last at the cost of having a mold-breaker effect. This has some utility but becomes more niche as you still can't Sleep Grass pokemon, and it's not like there are a ton of counters just waiting for Toedscruel to take advantage of it. If someone has Overcoat or Magic Bounce Toedscruel would have to be safely switched in and not have to worry about a move that could check them after the swap. An immunity to Electric can be nice but Toedscruel doesn't really have the damage to take most things down; it's better to stick to its stab moves and being used as utility for consistency and actual see success. Brute Bonnet: Grass-Dark. Finally the last one, and a pseudo legend at that. Their typing may not be that jaw dropping, but its stats are nothing to laugh at. With an amazing attack that almost rivals Breloom and the best bulk out of all of these mons, Brute Bonnet I'd say feels like they'd be viable with more versatility in their move set and the ability to take and give back hits with better success than the others. There's not much to say as Brute Bonnet really just feels like a strong arm pokemon with a good movepool to pull from, even with its mostly bad typing its bulk and damage make up for it, as well as a free swap on Psychic-Types. I wouldn't call these mons overpowered. They have access to the best Sleep move in the game but you'll notice a sort of... niche that Gamefreak has given them. They are always slow, usually the last one to move, and each one is a pivot. Parasect needs Dry-Skin but pivots on Water-Types, Breloom Pivots on Tanks or anything that has notably less speed, Amoongus.... uh, actually you got me there, Shiinotic on Dragons, Toedscruel on Electrics, and Brute Bonnet on Psychic types. They could easily be dealt with if you have a fast Fire/Flying mon even if the clause wasn't there. It's also worth noting some might play better to their strengths, like how Parasect is dependant on Spore, Breloom doesn't need it to be good, and Amoongus is better with Toxic in my honest opinion; the others don't really have much in specialty but aren't harmed in using Spore. Heck, not even all of the mons listed are in the current gen, or might not be for later ones. All in all, Sleep is just as RNG as most of the game. The only thing that makes it consistent are the Mushroom Mons with Spore, and it's not like they're the hardest thing to deal with. I wouldn't remove the Sleep Clause since that would open a floodgate of anguish due to how sleep is perceived, but with it on the Mushrooms are heavily nerfed due to at least half of them struggling to survive in the meta with that restriction. I think the ban was just a bit much since there are counters that are even just natural and the clause would've always been there. But hey, what do I know, I'm just a big fan of Parasect :V

I'll never forget completely sweeping my friends with all their legendaries with my ninjask and breeloom and cloyster back in gen 5, good times, good times

Everything will be banned until OU is just Gholdengo and Kingambit.

Funny how the two generations with the most power creep are the ones that have sleep banned

Great video, though for some reason i had a hard time staying awake at certain points

Players: **build incredible competitive teams** WolfeyVGC: hold my Amoongus

Personally I am against the ban on sleep as a whole. As frustrating as it can be it is part of the game

Gen 1 and 5 sleep is rightfully banned for the reasons you mentioned, is it too good. In Gen 9 I don't agree with it being banned as Sleep Clause did the job just fine. If 1 or only 2 Pokémon are causing the problem (main reason being due to speed) maybe ban 1 of them, I love Darkrai but I would choose its banning over sleep every time. Also I will never support any argument of being more accurate to cartridge based mechanics on simulators because there's so many non-cartridge based rules already in place to make the game fun to play in the 1st place and I'm not a fan of the hypocrisy ❤🍰

When the two generations that banned sleep has finch in the council

This was a perfect product placement

They banned sleep but stealth rock is legal?

A mechanic so broken Game Freak made an entire game about it

You can get around sleep ban by using rest, sleep talk an psycho shift

Ive been parz hacked for over 3 turns in a row many times, which by far makes me think sleep now isnt a real issue

It probably wouldn't be as broken if they reworked it into Legends Arceus' Drowsy status.