I'm not sure if there's a Wii U mod to restore the mechanics but the best way to play Vanilla 3DS these days is on an emulator. Vanilla 3DS was really interesting and I wish it got to stick around for longer.

You are not wrong about that. I think it is important to mention that Infinite Dimensional Cape was banned from tournaments and you needed absolutely insane execution in order to do it forever. But it’s mere existence is still definitely busted for sure.

​@@bigbangbot-SuperSqankyou could still scrooge on ledge

@@bigbangbot-SuperSqanki think the fact that the technique had to be banned is just more proof that brawl mk is untouchable. people like to exaggerate how broken moves are by calling them "win buttons" but dimensional cape was quite literally that definition

DACUS would've been really cool to see carry through the series. I'm glad people are starting to recognize some Brawl tech as actually being pretty cool.

She was.

Yes

And now Ultimate Steve.

Thank you. I really appreciate it. As for doing a side by side comparison for KO moves, I generally avoided it as I feel it would not flow as well with the style of commentary I do, showing one then another always made more sense to me. You also get fullscreen views of the KOes, a split-screen could make it harder to see the details depending on the viewer’s setup. A split screen view though is something I could maybe look into with later videos.

Huh. It was unlisted long before you posted the comment.

@@bigbangbot-SuperSqank Yeah, I think what happened was that I kept a tab open in the background for a bit before clicking on this video, so it probably got unlisted during that (I'm assuming sometime during the 13 hours before I posted my comment, since that's when the last comment before mine was posted). Still cool that it happened, but not as impressive as my comment makes it out to be.

Thanks. While Honest Content does have a lot of neat video ideas, I can’t lie, they don’t put much effort into researching their videos, resulting in a lot of misinformation/inaccuracies. No disrespect towards Honest Content, they do seem like a hard working individual but their videos definitely miss out on their full potential due to weak research.

This video definitely lives up to the effort, since there's nothing like it in terms of Smash 4 3DS content and it's good in it's own. Don't take these comparisons the wrong way - I mean them in the best ways possible - but this video gives off a mix of Schaffrillas Productions and Big Yellow vibes. The former in the editing and way you speak about broken stuff, and the latter due to the obscure fighting game content and the way the video is structured move-by-move. Coincidentally, those are also two of my favorite KZfaqrs, which is a good sign. Also I genuinely laughed at 16:00 - that caught me off guard!

And the 3DS joystick too 😔

⁠@@inkorporeal204 Also the shoulder buttons

Real talk, I feel like Smash 4 gets an unnecessarily bad rap nowadays?

The idea of Pre-release Sheik being even more busted is both insane yet completely believable. Even Brawl Meta Knight was more busted in pre release.

I think I explained it in the video but if I didn’t communicate it too clearly, 3DS FD actually has bigger blastzones than Wii U battlefield. They both had the most comparable blastzones but 3DS FD still has bigger blastzones overall.

Thanks. I do always try and make it so I can still be heard but especially when the game gets louder (particularly when KOes occur), it can be a bit harder to hear me. I think I usually let it pass because I can understand/hear what I’m saying but I guess it won’t be the same with everyone. In the future, I will experiment with making the game audio quieter (which I have indeed done in newer videos).

Thanks. Unfortunately, getting high level footage of vanilla is not particularly practical. Finding high level vanilla 3DS is basically impossible (not to mention a lot of footage is not high quality to say the least) and what little footage may still exist won’t be particularly useful either in most cases as the level of play just wasn’t there yet. The game was new and people were a long way away from figuring the game out. People would have played their characters sub optimally and the level of counterplay would be very sub optimal too. I will admit and say that I didn’t really think to look for footage back when I made the video but even if I did and I actually found footage, I doubt it would have been all that helpful. I like the idea and in the future, they may be situations where old archive footage will be useful and I will take advantage of it if it is helpful but I don’t see it becoming commonplace. The specific down throw situation is interesting. That 50/50 was mainly strong in earlier Wii U versions and I could have had more footage showing that off for sure, either through old sets or more likely, my own demonstrations (although it is a bit late now). On 3DS, the 50/50 wasn’t actually as bad as early Wii U versions due to the different DI system. I did gloss over it because this was my first Vanilla Smash 4 video but vertical LSI absolutely weakened the throw as a whole since you could use Vertical LSI to get out of the 50/50 considerably sooner. Up air also didn’t KO much earlier with strong DI (which I did demonstrate in the video but not as much as I admittedly could have) so that makes the difference between versions smaller too. Sheik did still have stronger followups though if she read her opponent successfully, that was still more deadly in 3DS, that point still holds true (and Sheik had the mobility to chase her opponent). Forward throw wasn’t as affected by the vertical LSI differences due to its lower launch angle. The opponent had more freedom with DI but Sheik could still mess you up if she read the DI.

Would be a fun idea but the difficulty with comparing these characters is that they are all in vastly different games with vastly different mechanics, metas, etc. These characters would change a lot if you plopped them into Ultimate and the idea of "giving them their game's respective mechanics" is also a lot more complex than it sounds.

@@bigbangbot-SuperSqank there is probably not a perfect solution but I definitely think you could add these characters in some capacity by buffing their moves. It would be fun to see brawl knight vs sm4sh beyo face off even if its not a 1 to 1 recreation.

Thank you.

This page should explain everything you need to know. www.ssbwiki.com/Directional_influence#In_Super_Smash_Bros._4

People had figured out a way to use GameCube controllers on the 3DS back in the day. I couldn’t even do Sheik’s DACUS for this video without slowing the game down so I am impressed people managed to pull it off back then.

I believe it’s “Unspectacular raw KO power”

Growing up at a time where the internet was exponentially growing, I naturally found myself watching a lot of American people online and especially for words I wasn’t super familiar with, it ended up shaping my vocabulary in certain places. For “combo” specifically, I did indeed end up hearing the American pronunciation for combo a lot over other pronunciations so that’s why I ended up saying “cahmboe” and not the more British “cohmboe”.

@@bigbangbot-SuperSqank i see, no criticism intended just jarring to hear as an aussie speaker, much closer to british

When talking about how powerful a character is, it is best to look at them in the context of the game they are in. If you look at the two characters in a vacuum then Meta Knight is clearly superior but when you look at them in accordance to their game’s metas, it is a lot closer. It is hard to compare as Vanilla Sheik/Vanilla Smash 4 never got properly optimised but if Smash 4 never got patched, I could easily see like 5 Sheiks getting top 8 at majors similarly to Meta Knight. She was so much better while much of the rest of the cast was so much worse and it had different mechanics which worked against most of the cast considerably more than Sheik. I do believe she would have very firmly sat at top 1 in Vanilla and with what she had and what other characters had, I wouldn’t be surprised if she had no losing matchups (although this is admittedly hard to judge). It is definitely possible that Brawl Meta Knight still had the edge over her but it is pretty close. You also have Vanilla S4 Bayo as a contender as well.

I’m kind of low on ideas for my next video in that series so I might just do it.

I’d say she had the edge over Diddy on 3DS. Diddy was an insane character but the different DI system on 3DS did make his throw game and his up air less consistent overall. If we’re compare 3DS Sheik to original Wii U Diddy, it’s a bit harder to say but I think I’d still give Sheik the edge but it’s close (Sheik was arguably better than Diddy in vanilla Wii U where Sheik was worse). Vanilla Bayo is probably still the best out of all of them though.

@@bigbangbot-SuperSqank would you say prepatch shiek would be better than postpatch bayo? Also, I don't really see how she's close to MK. MK is just on a different level to basically anything else

Oh yes, she was definitely better than post patch Bayo.

​​​@@bigbangbot-SuperSqankIn the final version, sheik and diddy are bayo's only losing matchups despite being nerfed harder than her I think it's safe to say day 1 sheik and diddy would run circles around pre patch bayo

The audio mixing was definitely something which ultimately went wrong with this video (likely caused by me not having recorded a 3DS game before this) and I have been working to rectify the issue in newer videos. As for all the unrelated clips, it’s simply my style. While the goal of these videos is to demonstrate the facts, I do also like to include some more humorous moments/references which some people would enjoy. It’s not for everyone though and it’s ok if it’s not for you. It’s just that I like to include some humorous moments to balance out the more factual parts of the video (and overall, I do aim to have my own style which stands out from content creators with similar videos).

@@bigbangbot-SuperSqank Fair enough ^^