The Most Common Mistakes Commander Players Make | Untitled Magic: The Gathering Podcast #2

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Tolarian Community College

Tolarian Community College

4 жыл бұрын

Commander might be a casual, fun gameplay MTG format, but that doesn't mean Magic: The Gathering players don't make a lot of common mistakes when it comes to deck building, gameplay, and other aspects of EDH. Today I am joined by the one and only Emma Handy to discuss the most common mistakes that Magic: The Gathering players make.
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@TolarianCommunityCollege
@TolarianCommunityCollege 4 жыл бұрын
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@TheDankMaker
@TheDankMaker 3 жыл бұрын
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@madamthulhu7856
@madamthulhu7856 2 жыл бұрын
sanguine bond exquisite blood does not win it stalls.
@ConsoleCleric
@ConsoleCleric 4 жыл бұрын
4:55 - Fail to consider your deck's power level. 6:45 - Rely too much on your Commander. 10:15 - Cards that become "no text" without your Commander. 10:40 - Run too many "interactive" cards. 24:40 - Hating on the player who played to win at the right time. 29:00 - Fail to think about your turn before it happens. Slow rolling. 35:20 - Not providing free information.
@dallinbernhardt4540
@dallinbernhardt4540 4 жыл бұрын
You are the hero we need, but not the one we deserve. Thank you.
@TheSimmus
@TheSimmus 4 жыл бұрын
@cameronwise-maas5610
@cameronwise-maas5610 4 жыл бұрын
Kinda makes me realize that most of these weren't really about mistakes in term of incorrect build/play that cause people to lose, so much as interpersonal mistakes that make the game less pleasant.
@calebserna
@calebserna 4 жыл бұрын
Cliff notes are great
@OnyxANZ
@OnyxANZ 4 жыл бұрын
Oh is that all. I thought it would be about interesting things
@Totescolin
@Totescolin 4 жыл бұрын
"1-3 cards that don't have text unless your commander is in play" *Looks at my Feather Deck* Not you, none of the rules apply to you.
@MichaelMoore99
@MichaelMoore99 4 жыл бұрын
There are times where I build a deck without even considering who the Commander would be and then just slap one on at the end based on colors.
@Totescolin
@Totescolin 4 жыл бұрын
@@MichaelMoore99 that's how I Imagen most Golgari lists get made.
@MrFereshteyeh
@MrFereshteyeh 4 жыл бұрын
@@MichaelMoore99 Your line of thought is the most logical and assertive ever, but sometimes you'll fail to add the flavour that this format can bring to us. I'm usually very competitive, but when I'm creating my commander deck I try really hard to add flavour to the deck, even if it's not the most logical decision (i.e. flying man on Yuriko). There's no right or wrong, it's just some lines of view.
@iaminevitable4529
@iaminevitable4529 4 жыл бұрын
My Feather deck floats without feather on board because all my spells are draws so its a card for a card, or win cons. Thats my whole deck
@Totescolin
@Totescolin 4 жыл бұрын
@@iaminevitable4529 drawing multiple cards in boros feels like cheating, cheating feels like winning. Feather is the best.
@jaymesm847
@jaymesm847 4 жыл бұрын
"Doing nothing is so much better than doing something that is bad for you." 10:22 Emma just deadass inspired me to quit my job
@brettjacobson4600
@brettjacobson4600 4 жыл бұрын
Did you do it?
@TheFootballstar5588
@TheFootballstar5588 4 жыл бұрын
^^
@Slo-Mode
@Slo-Mode 4 жыл бұрын
I have low vision and the fact people don't even question me when I ask about what is on the board makes me feel comfortable playing the game even with strangers.
@michaelgriffith7033
@michaelgriffith7033 8 ай бұрын
That's good to hear. I am partially blind and have issues reading the text on most cards and identifying cards across from me.
@sindur3446
@sindur3446 4 жыл бұрын
I played in that pod with you Professor! I was the Glissa the Traitor. I was happy for you getting your combo, but I was bumbed out because the player next you resolved a possibility storm which made the removal I was going to use in my hand worthless to stop you lol.
@TolarianCommunityCollege
@TolarianCommunityCollege 4 жыл бұрын
Haha! Good times, friend.
@aaronboyles5237
@aaronboyles5237 4 жыл бұрын
Getting a free education is always wonderful, but when it comes from an individual wearing socks such as as those... you know it’s going to be special and informative. You sir, are fearless. Thank you as always for the wonderful content! Thank you Prof and the team!
@TolarianCommunityCollege
@TolarianCommunityCollege 4 жыл бұрын
@drackoex
@drackoex 4 жыл бұрын
Dont forget the bulbasaur socks either!
@hardwatermaster91
@hardwatermaster91 3 жыл бұрын
Had me in the first half ngl thought I was gonna have to fight someone lol
@HannesMrg
@HannesMrg Жыл бұрын
What I'd like to add to the last point is to also warn your opponents when they make an action that is clearly a mistake because they didn't read every single card on the table and let them take it back. Especially for new players 4 big boards is way too intimidating to completely check before playing a card, so it saves a lot of time for everyone to just let them play and inform them if there is anything they have missed. An exception is that one player who always looks at their phone and doesn't pay any attention when it's not their turn. No mercy there =D
@JubileePenguin
@JubileePenguin 4 жыл бұрын
“Commander is a broke format that the social contract makes unbroken” I paused the video to clap. This is so true.
@UniGya
@UniGya 3 жыл бұрын
Corpsefoot Gaming Corpsefoot Gaming that’s a very black and white and somewhat mean way to think of the social contract of commander. The social contract isn’t about excluding people for how they want to play, it’s about understanding how people want to play the game and trying to make sure everyone has a good time. That’s why cEDH and non-cEDH but high power tables exist. The social contract is that when you sit down you have established that you want to play a certain power level and you won’t bring an over or underpowered deck in comparison to the rest of the table. No casual format should be about exclusion of certain player types, it should be about making sure that players are courteous and respect what other players want out of a game and will attempt to provide that experience with the knowledge that the other players are doing the same. TL;DR: Spikes are fine as long as the rest of the table is on board with it
@JubileePenguin
@JubileePenguin 3 жыл бұрын
Noah Spears the social contract is by definition NOT black and white. Banned cards and black and white you can’t play or you can. The social contract is a way to allow more cards without having unfun games. Spike build aren’t inherently social contract breaking. But if someone builds a spike decks than call it jank to play with lower levels that is breaking it.
@UniGya
@UniGya 3 жыл бұрын
jubisgul I wasn’t saying it is, I was talking about the other guy who replied to you saying that the social contract exists to exclude Spikes
@DiabloTommaso
@DiabloTommaso 3 жыл бұрын
@Corpsefoot Gaming Someone does. And i Have to take out my kroxa
@horserage
@horserage Жыл бұрын
WHITE
@ujai5271
@ujai5271 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the "put actual win cons in your deck" segment. The worst kind of games for me are these 3 hour boardstalls with no way to end it.
@Vengetuen_Wraith
@Vengetuen_Wraith 10 ай бұрын
I made a deck specifically to stall games once for when I play with assholes, it's called esper fuck you. buch of removal, exile, land destruction, tax and counterspells
@Zotarian
@Zotarian 4 жыл бұрын
Untitled? What about “Tolarian Talks”? Kinda a spoof on TED Talks Or “Between two FernStriders”?
@TolarianCommunityCollege
@TolarianCommunityCollege 4 жыл бұрын
But the title IS Untitled. See? It's me being ever so clever.
@Pilsnerp1c
@Pilsnerp1c 4 жыл бұрын
@@TolarianCommunityCollege I think Adam Savage's "Still Untitled" podcast beat you to this.
@djcochrane
@djcochrane 4 жыл бұрын
I actually like that it’s UNtitled. Though it fits more Dies to Removal with the wacky openings.
@Frothmeister
@Frothmeister 4 жыл бұрын
@@TolarianCommunityCollege that's just like a cut uncut foil sheet
@rforplants6088
@rforplants6088 4 жыл бұрын
What about Tolarian Takes!
@d.w.7203
@d.w.7203 4 жыл бұрын
"I don't think, commander can survive, if that mentality gets adopted." Absolutely correct.
@Siegorius
@Siegorius 4 жыл бұрын
If I had a dime for every time I missed a rhystic study trigger...
@OldGodsGames
@OldGodsGames 4 жыл бұрын
You'd be able to buy another Rhystic Study XD
@ecos889
@ecos889 4 жыл бұрын
Put it in the middle of the board to remind everyone so even if you are lazy it reminds everyone else so they can do the dirty work for you ;)
@spic9h592
@spic9h592 4 жыл бұрын
@@ecos889 interestly enough, according to actual rulings surrounding Rhystic Study, that's actually against the rules. You and only you are responsible ruleswise. Anything else is technically cheating.
@drackoex
@drackoex 4 жыл бұрын
@@spic9h592 you are not obliged to remind them to pay. You are right on being responsible to announce the trigger though. Same for mystic remora!
@pauljimerson8218
@pauljimerson8218 4 жыл бұрын
Are you going to pay a dime for that spell?
@miniaturespower
@miniaturespower Жыл бұрын
"you're not running into duress" Tergrid: "Please allow me to introduce myself"
@SilaninilTheOtaku
@SilaninilTheOtaku 4 жыл бұрын
I mean a decent name for something like this, a general magic the gathering podcast, could be something along the line of 'Tolarian Electives' ? Keep the academy theme but its the fun stuff you take because you want to learn more, not the main curriculum...Just an idea.
@BackyardRonin
@BackyardRonin 4 жыл бұрын
thats got a good ring to it
@endersblade
@endersblade 4 жыл бұрын
That's actually fantastic.
@harrylawson6293
@harrylawson6293 4 жыл бұрын
Risking alienating a foreign audience. As an Englishman, the term 'electives' connotes politics and doesn't relate to school at all. I would imagine the same applies to other foreign demographics. Just my two cents.
@Mr_Myst13
@Mr_Myst13 4 жыл бұрын
Afaik, Prof said the title of the podcast is literally "Untitled"...
@kremlinhighlander4147
@kremlinhighlander4147 4 жыл бұрын
Do this prof
@VivaLaReverend
@VivaLaReverend 4 жыл бұрын
Haven't played magic in years but still watching the Prof
@TolarianCommunityCollege
@TolarianCommunityCollege 4 жыл бұрын
One day you'll come back to us. :)
@Foxribble19
@Foxribble19 4 жыл бұрын
Lots has happened over the last couple of months in terms of magic
@hatjousuke
@hatjousuke 4 жыл бұрын
I dig the name :)
@daleeppannu9049
@daleeppannu9049 3 жыл бұрын
Hmm nice I started playing like 6 months ago and I suck lol
@Starf0x32
@Starf0x32 4 жыл бұрын
Mu group does this all the time: "Flyers? Flyers? K cool. Beers? Beers? Anybody need a beer?!"
@VampiricGamess
@VampiricGamess 4 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy the interview format that you have been using. Thank you for all of your videos Professor and Emma. Very insightful and a wonderful place for new players to start.
@Vesperalsage
@Vesperalsage 4 жыл бұрын
Weirdly on the subject of interaction I actually feel new players run too few cards. Often causing certain cards or synergies to appear more powerful than they are, because players just do not have a way to deal with it. Maybe over time there is an over-correction down the line, but I feel the new players do not value interaction enough. This then can often cause gauging power level to be hard, because maybe as a more seasoned player you sit down with a deck that is not overly tuned but has good interaction, card draw, and win potential. Then when you sit at a table and rate your own deck at a 7 then proceed to stomp the other players the can get frustrated because they think you undersold your deck, when really they just have not played long enough to know what to value. Just a subjective observation I have seemed to notice at particularly green tables.
@timdornaus
@timdornaus 4 жыл бұрын
yes more episodes please. loved the last one and this one so far as well. i need more mtg commander podcasts in my life
@TolarianCommunityCollege
@TolarianCommunityCollege 4 жыл бұрын
Technically this is not Commander only, by pure coincidence of guest availability we started with Commander, but I plan to have folks on to talk Modern and Standard and Draft as well. The 'Unitled' implies free from restrictions. We do what we want!
@sherekhangamedev
@sherekhangamedev 4 жыл бұрын
I really like the format of this episodic content on the line of a "Tolarian Master Class" sort of thing. Great work all of you, thank you!
@garrett1433
@garrett1433 4 жыл бұрын
My biggest weakness is my greatest flaw tbh, in edh I'm too nice, I feel horrible pulling the I win lever
@vengray8055
@vengray8055 4 жыл бұрын
@garrett1433 What is this? Do you think youre at a job interview?
@garrett1433
@garrett1433 4 жыл бұрын
Life is my job interview uwu
@iaminevitable4529
@iaminevitable4529 4 жыл бұрын
@@garrett1433 10/10 response, would enjoy again.
@steveng6721
@steveng6721 4 жыл бұрын
Whats the point of playing if you arent trying to win
@garrett1433
@garrett1433 4 жыл бұрын
Well I find playing to have fun and playing with my friends more important :)
@MisterDanielDuncan
@MisterDanielDuncan 4 жыл бұрын
"No way to play Commander is better than others, but here's a video on the best way to play Commander." --Prof, 2020
@EDHCommander99
@EDHCommander99 4 жыл бұрын
Loving the discussion of the Untitled Podcast, covering Commander in the first two episodes. More please.
@TolarianCommunityCollege
@TolarianCommunityCollege 4 жыл бұрын
More on the way!
@EDHCommander99
@EDHCommander99 4 жыл бұрын
Woot woot!
@sgtfigg1
@sgtfigg1 4 жыл бұрын
I'm that player who runs a handful of random cards. I fogged someones craterhoof turn 😭💀
@felhammer2498
@felhammer2498 4 жыл бұрын
That is awesome! ^_^
@Kydrou
@Kydrou 4 жыл бұрын
Como todo un campeón
@endersblade
@endersblade 4 жыл бұрын
I lived the dream of Mana Tithing a Blightsteel colossus :-) Unfortunately people were more dumbfounded that I even bothered running that card than they were that I used to counter a Blightsteel with it...
@joshuabiery
@joshuabiery 4 жыл бұрын
That’s wonderful
@W1DO
@W1DO 4 жыл бұрын
@@endersblade wait? Some ppl DONT run mana tithe? Next you will be telling me that not meeting any other mono white decks isnt just my luck :)
@jamesdavis5081
@jamesdavis5081 4 жыл бұрын
More excellent content Prof! Love these discussion videos. I'll be sharing this with my playgroup.
@conker3425
@conker3425 4 жыл бұрын
“Many Magic: The Gathering players ask the question...” Such an iconic line that never gets old. Excellent video, very informative. Keep up the great content Professor 👍
@wnightshade
@wnightshade 4 жыл бұрын
This was a stellar conversation. More Emma, please, Professor!
@imoveforward007
@imoveforward007 3 жыл бұрын
Professor, excellent dialogue, I really like that You allow Emma to fully explain herself, and you often compliment or expand upon her points, rather than pivoting the conversation.
@spriggatron2403
@spriggatron2403 3 жыл бұрын
I just recently got back into mtg and I'm really enjoying your videos. Thank you so much for including stills of the cards that are mentioned!
@djcochrane
@djcochrane 4 жыл бұрын
Games have to end, and that’s ok. Means we get to play another. That being said I don’t include some of the big “I win” buttons because of theme, but I always try to find something on theme that serves that roll. I like the challenge.
@jamespooh2
@jamespooh2 4 жыл бұрын
I agree with this. You should always strive to win but winning doesn't have to include making everyone else miserable
@imperialtutor8687
@imperialtutor8687 4 жыл бұрын
Nonsense. if the game is already at a state where anyone could win an I win button doesn't even matter.
@stephenross5586
@stephenross5586 4 жыл бұрын
I'm watching this and I've literally made ALL of these mistake, and I've worked them out well, other than my borderline addiction to playing an easy infinite combo that me and my playgroup was only possible in normal magic.
@matthewstubbs8570
@matthewstubbs8570 4 жыл бұрын
I'm very happy to be seeing more of Emma and hearing her drop knowledge bombs.
@kalosprismatic
@kalosprismatic 4 жыл бұрын
This was an excellent episode, Professor and Emma! 😁
@kkkrisada
@kkkrisada 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly, if I were to add 2 things to the list: 1. Failure to communicate board state. YOU PLAY THAT SELESNIYA DECK WEEKLY, HOW DON'T YOU HAVE A 1/1 SOLDIER TOKEN IN THAT BOX?! Ok, so having a face down land to represent 1 token (like Treasure) is fine, but if you need to then represent a 1/1 U Flying Faerie, 1/1 UB Flying Faerie, and 1/1 UB Flying Faerie Rogue.. face down cards can get really mess is what I'm saying. 2. Learn about Priority, and how it works. I've played many games where somebody threatens the board with something, I'm about to spend removal, and then another player jumps the gun and does it for me. Great! 2 players just lost a card, and I still get to keep my interaction. That is one of the BIGGEST mistakes commander players make.
@mr.guizee7764
@mr.guizee7764 4 жыл бұрын
That's why I love cEDH. Very fun and interactive.
@MSTNocte
@MSTNocte 4 жыл бұрын
Love your videos! Especially these last 2 podcasts.
@ngforsgren
@ngforsgren 4 жыл бұрын
This is some great stuff, sharing this video with my play group.
@92berek
@92berek 4 жыл бұрын
Finally a guest who has a normal accent and is easy to understand
@Eckendenker
@Eckendenker 4 жыл бұрын
ZING
@flynnrider119
@flynnrider119 4 жыл бұрын
I just have to have the Chulane brawl deck was outstanding. Good job, Emma. Keep up the good work prof.
@ForeverLaxx
@ForeverLaxx 4 жыл бұрын
The "too much interaction" bit is misguided and assumes only one player is taking care of all the threats. If you're that player, then yes, you're "doing it wrong" and you need to convince your table to take some of that removal burden themselves. The actual mistake she's talking about is assuming that ONLY YOU must be the interactive player, not that you have too much interaction. Also, I think they missed an opportunity to talk about one of the biggest mistakes I see from certain players, and that's how vindictive many of them can be. They get mad when you destroy their stuff so they make the rest of the game about them destroying/stopping your stuff regardless of what's happening or in play already. Trying to tell them that they're making a bad move falls on deaf ears because they always retort with "shouldn't have targeted me, bro" and things of that sort. It makes playing with these people incredibly frustrating or volatile because you either let them sit back and amass an army to eventually force their victory or let their 10-turn late recursion engine function, or you get hated out of the game for no reason.
@Raiden2105
@Raiden2105 4 жыл бұрын
Already posted about the interaction bit earlier, but I like that you highlighted the issue of what I like to call, "table police." There have been games I've played that just feel like the worst BECAUSE I was the only one interacting with the board. Every deck needs interaction, and I feel as though this video would want you to feel otherwise. As for the second point! My god, tell me about it. Too many players play salty, amd can't recognize that when you deal with their threats, it's because they were just that. Commander at its' core is a social game, and though politicking isn't everyone's thing, being able to talk to your opponents and work together while still working against each other is a huge part of what makes the format great.
@sulaimanhyatt-butt1453
@sulaimanhyatt-butt1453 4 жыл бұрын
I literally lost about half of my games of playing casual edh because of this because one guy gets salty. This is why I play more competitive edh because everyone is at the same page and wont just get salty about removal of their stuff.
@skiachtro
@skiachtro 4 жыл бұрын
I would rather die in the first 5 turns than play against a vindictive opponent(s) who have poor threat assessment.
@vengray8055
@vengray8055 4 жыл бұрын
I could see people being dumb about getting their stuff removed when it made sense. Those people need to do something else because they are fools. Iv punished players for targeting me or my stuff when i didnt think it was the best play or felt that they were targeting me for reason unrelated to the game. Wonder what the other guy was thinking in that game?
@spooplegeist5260
@spooplegeist5260 4 жыл бұрын
That’s every single time I play Commander Cube with my friends back home. That’s why the one friend always wins. He just refuses to ever stop broken shit and let someone else handle it, so nobody ever targets him. Then he just wins despite not doing anything all game. Really obnoxious.
@Folgrith
@Folgrith 4 жыл бұрын
Man, my Talrand deck broke all the rules lol. It’s entirely counterspells and cantrips that do nothing without Talrand on the board lol. Still stupid fun to play.
@raphaeldean5801
@raphaeldean5801 4 жыл бұрын
I know, like, my Lavinia deck is just stax and counters... I think mill or commander damage might be the win con.
@sethdayton8076
@sethdayton8076 4 жыл бұрын
Me in the corner playing brago. Just etb value but I finish with infinite combos so I'm using brago for value.
@joshuabiery
@joshuabiery 4 жыл бұрын
I play Talrand too and it’s the same! I love it but don’t play it too often because it’s oppressive and rude, but definitely one of my favorite commanders out there
@aaronhooker7588
@aaronhooker7588 4 жыл бұрын
I play Talrand too. Lots of counters, bounce effects, draw spells, and others (propaganda / reality shift). Remember thought, Talrand provides extra with each instant or sorcery. It's not just draw x and Scry x, it's draw x and Scry x with a 2/2 flying drake (value).
@coreysierchio4650
@coreysierchio4650 4 жыл бұрын
"Stupid fun to play" is the subtext of every deck of Commander I've put together. (11 so far.)
@mattwufsus20
@mattwufsus20 2 жыл бұрын
Great to see Emma on your show!
@timothyray9906
@timothyray9906 4 жыл бұрын
I hate decks that have so much value and severely locks me out the game but then doesn't win for like 10 turns. My example is Muldrotha with extra land drop cards and strip mine, kill my stuff then not do anything for like 10 turns.
@Hitzel
@Hitzel 4 жыл бұрын
tell them that deadeye navigator + peregrine drake only a few bucks and has a good budget tutor package in muldy (shared summons, jerad's orders, etc)
@rileypowell5354
@rileypowell5354 4 жыл бұрын
i will agree with this. if you're going to grind the pace of the game to a halt, particularly for one specific player, you should be able to kill them pretty shortly thereafter. thats just a general rule, if you cant win, your deck is bad, no matter how well it locks out players.
@williamramswell1758
@williamramswell1758 4 жыл бұрын
@@rileypowell5354 I know this is a month old, but just saw the video. This is not inherently true, I play cedh heliod and can grind the game to a pretty good halt and early at that but seeing as how it mono white it takes a while to find pieces with limited draw. Stax as an archetype has that problem, if you dont like playing against it just let the group know and ask them to play other higher tier decks (or matching power level ones, you know what I mean) other than that one. Most often the issue with games being just a drag with those decks in play is the players are probably either new to the deck or dont have a clue on how to pilot it making a 2/3min turn into 20 and then you have to now think and play making it much harder.
@sethhellenbrand2531
@sethhellenbrand2531 4 жыл бұрын
Prof i think these conversational videos have been some of the best.
@kenttsui6024
@kenttsui6024 3 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed the frank and open discussion of a format I'd like to try. Thanks!
@icegal9666
@icegal9666 4 жыл бұрын
Great video! These are great tips that will really help me be a better edh player!
@Geert-1988
@Geert-1988 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! This is very helpfull! I was strugling a bit with this!
@andrewlaverghetta715
@andrewlaverghetta715 4 жыл бұрын
This was pretty sweet. I enjoy these guest interviews.
@HotboxinwithMikeTysonClips
@HotboxinwithMikeTysonClips 4 жыл бұрын
Super interesting podcast. Love it!
@SaltySparrow
@SaltySparrow 4 жыл бұрын
I played in one formal EDH event at a store and in both games people combo-ed on turn 3/4 and I just left. It was advertised as casual /w $5 buy in and get a pack. Have not done a formal event since, just casual with players between rounds or with friends.
@wertm123
@wertm123 4 жыл бұрын
You do you, that's what EDH is all about (or atleast should be).
@felhammer2498
@felhammer2498 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah turn 3/4 win is so boring. If i wanted that, I would go play Modern or Pioneer.
@jamespooh2
@jamespooh2 4 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry you had that experience. Usually game stores are better about that
@guysmcfellas615
@guysmcfellas615 4 жыл бұрын
That's unfortunate. It's also why I stick the my kitchen table. People who take magic, or any tabletop game "seriously" are just toxic. Games are meant to be fun.
@Tig3rV3nom
@Tig3rV3nom 4 жыл бұрын
They were most likely playing Cedh which is edh just with the best decks possible to win. It's the best way to play commander as long as everyone is on the same playing field. I have 3 Cedh decks and regularly loan them if others want to play but dont have a strong enough deck. If the pod is balanced games usually last a long time with tons of interaction.
@graham5808
@graham5808 4 жыл бұрын
For interaction, I found running cards that have similar activated abilities to normally played interactive cards to be nice considerations due to the balance of opponents disrupted to resources used. While these type of cards tend to be more mana to play and may require other resources to activate, they have the benefit of recursion and synergistic boosts. For example, look at Doom Blade and Attrition. Both cards allow you to kill a nonblack creature, serving a similar role. Doom Blade allows that ability to happen at instant speed for a cheap price of one and one black. However, it will usually only ever kill one creature. While Attrition's initial cost is higher than Doom Blade's and requires a creature to sacrifice to work, Attrition allows for any number of activations, as long as you have creatures to sac and mana to spend. This ability synergies well with creatures that can be brought back from the graveyard easily, like Gravecrawler and Reassembling Skeleton.
@nothing4mepls973
@nothing4mepls973 3 жыл бұрын
Damn, I feel like I don't know jack about my own decks after watching this. Great guest, thanks for the video!
@BREAKDOWNFACE
@BREAKDOWNFACE 4 жыл бұрын
Would LOVE a pro/tournament vid with do's and don'ts for beginners!
@SadPoize
@SadPoize 4 жыл бұрын
Just popping in to say I like this video style a lot. I don’t even play MTG anymore but I still watch all of your videos, and I like these discussion style videos.
@TolarianCommunityCollege
@TolarianCommunityCollege 4 жыл бұрын
Cheers, friend! Maybe one day we will get you back into the game :)
@imoveforward007
@imoveforward007 3 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love these videos!!
@ManOfSdeel
@ManOfSdeel Жыл бұрын
super useful tips, the one for one reminder made a lot of sense
@ghostsword6554
@ghostsword6554 4 жыл бұрын
Prof is really nailing it with these recent guests, the discussions are fantastic and really showcase the our fascinating community ^^
@TolarianCommunityCollege
@TolarianCommunityCollege 4 жыл бұрын
Oh, you.
@upstartgoblin5536
@upstartgoblin5536 3 жыл бұрын
I like the idea of being a little more competitive in commander but never at the cost of being an ass to the other players. There are aspects like answering peoples questions to help the health of the match in the social contract that need emphasis over other aspects. Great video Prof!
@johnanderson4291
@johnanderson4291 4 жыл бұрын
Nice work! Will finish later, but quite a contrast from last time.
@ReplayStation
@ReplayStation 4 жыл бұрын
The social contract is paramount. I was sitting down last friday night with three other people at my LGS. One was my buddy who was new to EDH, one was a BRAND new player to MTG and EDH, and the third was a super sweaty tryhard that played nothing but oppressive decks and was super obnoxious about it. People that play like that drive people AWAY from the game. Sure, it's neat to see a deck pop off a make all these triggers, but infinite mill and infinite damage and infinite snark isn't fun for ANYONE. It doesn't just hurt your playgroup or your LGS, but it hurts the game by driving people away from it.
@KrisWithACh2
@KrisWithACh2 4 жыл бұрын
It sounds like you have played quite a few games with this person. I suggest letting him know how the rest of you feel. Communication is key when it comes to the social contract. If he doesn't change his behavior even after you've let him know I would just suggest not playing with him, he isn't worth your time.
@bigchungus2536
@bigchungus2536 4 жыл бұрын
As Chris said, just don't play with him and encourage anyone else who is not enjoying games with him to do the same. He'll either find other tryhards to play with or make some more enjoyable decks.
@ryanjohnston4249
@ryanjohnston4249 4 жыл бұрын
People that do that sort of thing are the bane of MTG. Just relax, it's a casual format. If it really is that imperative to win at a casual card game, you need to reassess your priorities. If it was competitive and for money/prizes then that's different. But a typical EDH game isn't that time/place.
@endersblade
@endersblade 4 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately my buddy is like that. Everything is an absolute competition to him. But WHY can't he make super competitive decks if he's got the cards and the know-how? Politics? Why should I politic? I want to WIN! It really irritates me, and I've seen him chase off more than one person before. He also gets extremely butt-hurt when we archenemy him. We're all making decks that take 10+ turns to win, politic a lot, and have a good time, he's playing Atemsis and winning on T5, or an Approach of the Second Sun deck that is basically just him playing solitaire.
@Dataloss484
@Dataloss484 4 жыл бұрын
@Najawin so the solution you give is: be like him and throw away what you all enjoy in the game. Make it an armsrace that will cost everyone money and THEN search for a new group??? I was/am in that exact situation and it's shit. The actual way to try and fix it was him playing a decidedly non combo, non control deck in our group for casual games and go archenemy for the stronger decks. We talked and compromised. We made stronger decks but still get to enjoy the jank
@BiOToCeL
@BiOToCeL 4 жыл бұрын
I would like to have a game of commander with the Prof and Emma once...sounds like it could be a nice round of magic :)
@HandMadeSpider
@HandMadeSpider 4 жыл бұрын
These two seems to really respect and admire each other and thats amazing to watch
@IvanRSaldias
@IvanRSaldias 4 жыл бұрын
My fav combo was Vapors+Teferi's Protection. I skipped 1billion turns and left the table grab a coffee while the opponents looked at me astonished 🤣🤣🤣
@raphaeldean5801
@raphaeldean5801 4 жыл бұрын
Helix Pinnacle is my primary wincon in few stax decks of mine. Armageddon + Planar Birth/Splendid Reclamation is often amazing. Not exactly a wincon, but still, often provides such a massive advantage that it leads to a win.
@scrythis1
@scrythis1 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Great episode
@StrongButAwkward
@StrongButAwkward 4 жыл бұрын
It's not that I dislike 'I win buttons' being in EDH decks. The game has to end at some point, clearly. I just get tired of people acting like there are only 2-3 I win button options in a color or color combination, leading to many decks of the same color just defaulting to the same 'best way to just win' card in the color regardless of deck itself. There are just such a massive pile of win conditions in each color and color combo that, yeah, watching *yet another* blue deck win with lab man or green deck win with Craterhoof when the decks share no connective tissue beyond being the same color and having the ability to benefit from the effect does get pretty old and tired when people could be winning in a more varied way that has more to do with the deck they are playing specifically. The issue is pretending like their is no alternative to people being so unimaginative or curious about the depth of the field they can select from for win cons. The entire format is suppose to be about unique player and deck identity and flair; like, be creative enough about how you win that you at least look for a different final card to win with across the several decks you play that share a color for fuck sake. If every deck you own that has blue in it wins with Lab Man and every deck you own that has black in it wins with Exquisite Blood and Sanguine Bond it feels like you didn't really put any thought into it and are perfectly fine with ostensibly different decks always winning off the same cards in the end. It doesn't feel unique or like your various decks has an identity if now matter what you play through the game in each you end up with the same final spell to win. It feels generic and low effort. It feels lame.
@solidmasterdante
@solidmasterdante 4 жыл бұрын
I think you're focusing too much on the end of the game. Yeah, my Sidisi deck generally wins with Craterhoof or Mike and Trike, but there's a whooooooole lotta game that happens before it gets to that point. Not that self-mill reanimator is a terribly original example, but the point is that there's more to the deck than just how it wins. It's a toolbox deck that finds the best ways to get ahead, or the best ways to answer things. Regardless of how often I drop a Hoofy boy down to smoosh the table, my games have plenty of variety in how we get there. Are there alternative ways to win? Sure. But these ways are VERY good, and work well with what my deck is already doing. I picked them because they're the best "I Win" buttons for the job, and that doesn't invalidate all the decision making that happens before you get to that point, however "lame" you may feel it is.
@Toothpick211
@Toothpick211 4 жыл бұрын
I think I would throat punch someone if they said "you can check" after asking them what's that goyf at. SMH "Pro" players ...
@felhammer2498
@felhammer2498 4 жыл бұрын
I would grab their graveyard and painstakingly organize it into piles of each card type, then count them out like a kindergartner. :P
@Khronogi
@Khronogi 4 жыл бұрын
Vote the guy out of the pod, and then just ignore him as a pod.
@olafthemoose9413
@olafthemoose9413 4 жыл бұрын
@@felhammer2498 you're technically not allowed to change the order of their graveyard since it might be relevant.
@theholllydogggylllama339
@theholllydogggylllama339 2 жыл бұрын
Did anyone notice at 25:30 they both reach for their cups, but decide against taking a drink? Lol. I love little social subconscious synchronicities that almost look awkward lol.
@WingsOfPhilosophy
@WingsOfPhilosophy 4 жыл бұрын
This might sound strange, ... but could you make an Episode on shuffling?
@TheVDub28
@TheVDub28 4 жыл бұрын
I don't entirely agree with Emma's take on counter spell keeping you and one other opponent further from winning. If an opponent is playing a combo piece and you counter it, you get them farther from winning and you closer to winning because the game could have just been over. I do see where she's coming from though because the next one or two opponents could win and now you're out an answer
@rileypowell5354
@rileypowell5354 4 жыл бұрын
if i counter a spell that would prevent me from killing you, that seems like a pretty obvious step in the direction of winning
@danlewis7707
@danlewis7707 4 жыл бұрын
She was defining tempo. So, in your example: you stop a player from winning with a key counterspell. They can't respond. Then on your turn you are able to win. But now an opponent might respond to you. You might want to respond in kind, but you can't. Your counterspell resolved. Thus you have been the victim of tempo. Where as, had you played an Ertai, Wizard adept and tapped to counter or sacriced a Glen Elendra Arch Mage you might still have that counterspell in hand to win through your opponents interaction. Make sense?
@rileypowell5354
@rileypowell5354 4 жыл бұрын
@@danlewis7707 breh nobody needs you to explain that.
@rileypowell5354
@rileypowell5354 4 жыл бұрын
@@danlewis7707 everyone knows what tempo is. The problem is if you follow that logically, you end up with that one scene from princess bride and nobody does anything. A counterspell responds to a threat, I don't use counterspells unless it's to prevent a spell I know will damage my strategy horribly or if I am about to kill my opponent and they're trying to prevent that. That being said those moments crop up a lot because the only deck I have access to counterspells is a blue black zombies deck that my playgroup is wise to so they run graveyard hate. That kind of thing.
@TheVDub28
@TheVDub28 4 жыл бұрын
@Najawin oh nice dude. Have you been to the pro tour too? You must be pretty good to call someone with as much competitive experience as Emma just flat out wrong.
@RobertJW
@RobertJW 4 жыл бұрын
That moment later in the game where you can say "See if you can stop me but if you can't..." is something I really like about Demonic Consultation+Thassa's Orracle and ways to get back the Consultation - I don't know where the Oracle IS so I can name it, if you can't answer it I might win on the spot, but also I might just lose to the Consultation.
@Oracleswrath9999
@Oracleswrath9999 4 жыл бұрын
What are your thoughts about cards like Forbid with a reliable draw engine? Is it considered medium power or “fair play”.
@lastblockbuster
@lastblockbuster 4 жыл бұрын
Gotta agree with Prof The I win button is absolutely necessary, I don't want to play a 2 hour long game. I dont mind if it's someone else who goes into fifth gear either.
@endersblade
@endersblade 4 жыл бұрын
I agree, to an extent. Nobody should win before at least T10 in my eyes. But in general, as long as the game was interactable and fun, I don't care who wins.
@JivanPal
@JivanPal 4 жыл бұрын
Loving the content as always, but I have a request - will you be doing any more analysis of Standard or deck techs in the format?
@OM45678
@OM45678 4 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed this video. Many thanks.
@Onattamato
@Onattamato 4 жыл бұрын
35:23 THANK YOU EMMA. Being a snarky a-hole to your opponent is almost always the wrong thing to do.
@liamrobertson9508
@liamrobertson9508 4 жыл бұрын
The notable exception of course, being when you are playing as the villain in archenemy.
@_mrcrypt
@_mrcrypt 4 жыл бұрын
A most excellent video 😎🎸 Thanks 🍷
@danlewis7707
@danlewis7707 4 жыл бұрын
It would be great if you could discuss 'tilt' or 'salt' in CMDR. What causes it, how to prevent it and how to deal with it. Thanks a lot and great episode! 😎
@ChubbPirates
@ChubbPirates 4 жыл бұрын
This was very informative
@shawndiaz7528
@shawndiaz7528 4 жыл бұрын
It's funny because a few of my decks are egregious examples of exceptions to these suggestions.
@jamesbeaumont8979
@jamesbeaumont8979 4 жыл бұрын
Bro I’ll never get over the professor with them Sox haha
@YourCrazyOverlord
@YourCrazyOverlord 4 жыл бұрын
Dang, Emma's insight was honestly REALLY helpful, especially in simplifying decklists and timing your removal!
@TolarianCommunityCollege
@TolarianCommunityCollege 4 жыл бұрын
She’s the best!
@akselhansen304
@akselhansen304 4 жыл бұрын
Emma that control deck sounds super sweet is there a place to see the list or would u rather keep it secret? :) always wanted a EDH control deck but find it rather hard to build
@getlefty82
@getlefty82 4 жыл бұрын
I tend to shy away from two card combos because of the "feels bad" that typically results from it happening. On the same hand, some cards (cyclonic rift, blood moon, back to basics) are just as bad on their own even if they don't win the game that turn. Three or more card combos are always fine, though.
@lqmayock1
@lqmayock1 4 жыл бұрын
Great video! Even better Bulbasaur socks!!!
@flamingRose100
@flamingRose100 3 жыл бұрын
"you'll never see duress in commander" me: building tiny bones (shifting eyes)
@dus65
@dus65 4 жыл бұрын
Regarding “slow play”, would you rather people take longer turns that ends up winning/progressing the game over shorter turns that are maybe more interactive and oppressive but don’t end up winning or causing a feel-bad? For context, I was playing Yarok, and it had a couple of infinite mana combos. I didn’t (on the surface at least) have a way to draw out the rest of my deck, let alone win how I thought the deck was supposed to. I will fully take responsibility for not knowing my deck well enough(it is admittedly a bit of a netdeck build) to know what to do in that situation(now I do), and over the course of too many minutes I figured out the solution on the spot. I did however have an original plan that wouldn’t have been an immediate win but the turn itself probably would’ve been over a lot sooner and I would’ve been positioned to win the next turn, but i feared the feel-bad of everyone else feeling like I was purposely playing with my food or that I was gonna be looked down upon for being in such a prime position and not able to win. So which do people prefer? For reference, i had yarok out and had peregrine drake/man o war combo, no Blue Sun Zenith in the deck, ended up using a bunch of clone type creatures on an end raze forerunners to do lethal, but normal win is retreat to hagra/retreat to coralheim, walking atlas and a bounce land. I thought even if I’m able to draw the whole deck any walking atlas type creature has summoning sickness, BUT I can squeeze a tidespout tyrant into play and clear everyone’s board so I’m free next turn.
@soulflaya2271
@soulflaya2271 4 жыл бұрын
dus65 personally, I don’t mind a player’s turn taking awhile, as long as they are actually, PLAYING. Sounds like you didn’t quite know the deck, which is totally forgivable. “Slow play” for me is someone untapping, then chatting about unrelated things, then trying to make a decision about what to play, chatting about other things, getting up to do some task out of game, and just generally not playing the game totally. You can take a 10 minute turn, drawing your whole deck to find your win condition, but if you can’t keep your train of thought it drives me crazy haha
@SPCspoon
@SPCspoon 4 жыл бұрын
It is probably something more related to my personal playgroup than your comment, but I do not understand why people still tend to netdeck in such casual formats?! 🤷🏿‍♂️
@flametitan100
@flametitan100 4 жыл бұрын
@@SPCspoon Usually it helps give a reference point as for what cards you should be looking at for such decks. Odds are, if it's an older commander, people have already made decks attempting to do what you're doing, so looking it up gives you a better idea of how to get to your goal than just mashing cards together could.
@jjanjell
@jjanjell 4 жыл бұрын
I love that song he plays in the beginning of the video, it reminds me of the booster box game
@LukeLavablade
@LukeLavablade 4 жыл бұрын
I was very confused by her point about "interactive cards" until I figured out she meant "you need enough cards that contribute to your win condition." She used that version of the explanation eventually, which was nice. I just feel like the initial description of the 'mistake' was misleading.
@CommanderReplay
@CommanderReplay 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I agree her point was articulated poorly. Generally speaking, more removal = more wins if you have a well built deck. The prof talked about the game that ends on turn 3... the game doesn't end on turn 3 when everyone has removal. Also to some degree I almost feel like that promotes that the turn 5 "I win" type of play where a couple things happened and no one answered them the game ended. Nothing makes me happier than introducing hour or revelation and winter orb into those settings...forcing non interactive players to interact. Its glorious.
@irwanfaizal9558
@irwanfaizal9558 4 жыл бұрын
No one perfect, especially you..... Thus the birth of Prof's personal nemesis, yay! +1 archenemy :)
@thespiritphoenix3798
@thespiritphoenix3798 4 жыл бұрын
It seems that the professor has nearly regained all his hair counters!
@Silvermankitty
@Silvermankitty 4 жыл бұрын
I admit that I suffer from the not wanting to put in big finishers because of the feel bads. And I need to work on that.
@red_spect3r833
@red_spect3r833 4 жыл бұрын
I heavily agree with playing too many cards that rely on your opponent. Usually if I play this kind of deck, I try to play cards that allow my cards to still do their thing without my commander. Like one of my commanders is Tetsuko Umezawa, Fugitive, and sometimes I am trying to sneak a combat effect in but don’t have her. By playing the original Thassa, Rogue’s Passage, etc. I can still facilitate my strategy if she gets removed.
@benrussell5023
@benrussell5023 4 жыл бұрын
I have an Orzhov deck focused mostly with messing around with and manipulating life totals and currently my favourite win con is Phyrexian Unlife and Axis of Mortality.
@brandoncreek5709
@brandoncreek5709 4 жыл бұрын
Thankfully in my experience with commander, I've never felt embarrassed or discouraged to ask about a board state (The amount of fliers is a great example). My friends are always asking about board states because it saves time, and a commander game can have some very complicated boards with a lot of interactions so it's always good to clarify what's on the board so you don't waste time making a suboptimal play out of fear of asking some questions.
@AidanWR
@AidanWR 4 жыл бұрын
I play an Oloro deck that's pretty much a control deck with counter spells, board wipes, enchantment and artifact removal, but it also has the Exquisite Blood/Sanguine Bond combo, plus other ways to drain the opponent, like Polluted Bonds. It is usually a slowish deck, but I do have ways to simultaneously deal with opponents health as well as some pretty good game-ending planeswalkers and Exsanguinate and Debt to the Deathless. However, the first draft did not have enough ramp. Ramp and lands are pretty much the biggest mistake I see some players make, including me. Edit: I also have Test of Endurance and Felidar Sovereign, but the earliest I can win is turn four, which gives people ample time to stop those.
@adamburman7837
@adamburman7837 4 жыл бұрын
Prof, what are your thoughts on reveal in card text in relation to a full table. Say I'm playing dimir, i bounce a problem card because i don't have another way to remove in my hand, and then duress, i know exactly what I'm making them discard, but since they reveal their hand the table wants to manhandle their cards and sit there and read the text. In commander is reveal based on what I do, or what the other players say is their right to look at the hand? Personally since I know the card i want to remove I give their hand a cursory look to see if any are bigger problems and then get rid of the one i wanted and hand cards back, instead of poring over each card and checking my boardstate and hand and doing theorycrafting in my head on their next moves Honestly makes me want to remove reveal cards just because its so annoying to stall the game so 2 other people can make sure they have responses while the player I cast the spell on twiddles their thumbs waiting.
@daredewley9231
@daredewley9231 4 жыл бұрын
I like this podcast. You know we love commander content! Emma rules! These takes are hot!
@TolarianCommunityCollege
@TolarianCommunityCollege 4 жыл бұрын
Cheers, friend!
@nikoknee
@nikoknee 4 жыл бұрын
My LGS just shut down. Yesterday was the last fnm. It's such a shame. Great podcast btw professor.
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