You forgot untapped islands

You guys should do: cards good in standard but horrible in commander. I always think its interesting how that works.

I've never heard that people hate Sol Ring before. I mean, me and my mates, we all love Sol Ring, and whenever a Sol Ring goes into play we go "Yep, there it is" or give slight smiles. Sometimes when somebody has a really good start and lands 5 or 6 mana on the table in turn one, well, that guy will quickly find himself focused by the rest of us when we get a bit more out. Sol Ring is just an awesome little card. I don't think I ever build a deck without Sol Ring anymore, true, but there will always be those cards that just fit in every deck. Point is, Sol Ring is a welcome and familiar card to all of us, and none of us mind it being played that much or dislike it, we actually think of it fondly.

I don't have a problem with ruinous ultimatum. One sided wipes are where we should be. They help you close the game, not just reset everything. Ive been cutting board wipes that are not one-sided.

Hullbreaker Horror has proven to be a really annoying card the last few times I have seen it

As a cedh player, I can't comprehend, why people hate these cards x)

Our playgroup actually appreciates cards like howling mine or dictate of kruphix as it helps everyone play more magic. Typically the reason why it helps so much for everyone to play more magic is due to people not always having finetuned their deck for drawspells or removal.

I love playing telepathy in my Ertai, The Corrupterd ( thats what my playgroup calls him) deck because I get to actually stand up and stretch my legs/get snacks when I'm making my rounds looking at peoples hands 😏

The more tutors people play, the more each game looks the same. Opposition agent punished people that make your games less interesting!

As a person who rarely has time to delve into long videos, I find I make exceptions to this norm most often with your content. Adding time stamps to your videos would elevate your channel so much for folks with simlar time constraints. Time stamps would easily put you in my top 3 MTG content creators.

I’ve really been questioning Sol Ring in my decks, because whenever I test a deck and have Sol Ring in the opening hand or within the first 2 draws I can’t tell if my deck is doing well or if it’s just Sol Ring. Heavily considering not playing it anymore to see if that feels better to play, and this is coming from a former “why would you ever want to ban Sol Ring?” guy.

Making a new deck with all these cards. Thanks for the idea!

Am I weird for not being threatened by sol rings at all? Anyone who drops one turn 1 always just gets jumped

At least sol ring allows non green decks to deal with ramp, no sol ring meta gotta be green heavy.

In my group we all play sol ring and no one seems to mind, however last night it affected two of the four games we played. Game one: turn one forest + sol ring, turn two mountain + kodamas reach, turn 3 temple of the false god + cultivate + arcane signet…. 9 mana turn 3 and I had a dual land, plains and swamp…. That player won that game. Game two (this was me so I’m ok with it) Turn one swamp + sol ring + arcane signet Turn two swamp + Sheoldred!!! Turn one swamp

Our LGS meta is very combo heavy. Many of these cards are necessary to keep them in check. Don’t hate on the Stax player.

I'm one of the people that think that counterspells are the most annoying form of removal, primarily because they're the only form that other colours cannot interact with. The only way to stop a counterspell is if you're blue and also have a counter. With removal like doomblade, its controller can protect the creature, sacrifice it, change the target etc. Every colour and even colourless can interact with targeted or destruction-based removal in some way, but not counterspells.

Today ill be telling you about the most hated channels on KZfaq and why the Nerds are not on the list. ❤

I actually love nonbasic land hate as a concept. Playing more basics means your mana base is weaker and you miss out on a ton of utility lands. Nonbasic hate rewards you for the restriction and turns the tables on your opponents proportional to how hard they leaned into better lands.

I see Teferi's Protection used as a play-along with board wipes at my LGS. I see it a lot. And that's why I play blue.

I feel like for some cards in a mid level play group, I feel like you have to assert your style. I play almost all creatures/combat but I wouldn't complain or say "no combos" because I love winning against combo decks. Theres a point where if you make something it has to be because you think its good so you gotta prove it

I don't know about soul ring being the most hated. If anything mana crypt holds that title well over it. Especially since it cost $200. We need it reprinted at rare.

Does anyone know who the character is in both Force of Will and Rhystic Study?

Also if you play artifact lands farewell exiles your lands. Its so brutal against my urza lord protector deck. For thassa's oracle I have seen it a decent bit. Its very common in the mono blue or simic no win condition commanders like uro or baral. For decks that struggle to close a game its such a lame way to just instant win. The decks that also play it in casual usually have counterspell backup too.

I have one out of time which is an enchantment that basically says phase out all creatures toll this leaves. The field i got so tsrgeted whenever i played it in my shrine enchantments deck i took it out despite it being essentialy a 3 mana boardwhipe with upsides

Regarding SOL ring I’ve removed it from most of my decks. However, I’ve put it back in my big mana tribal decks in particular angels and dragons. I’m still laying relatively fair tribal (no combos, protective interaction>removal to encourage other decks to be doing their thing). I actually left it out, but I’ve put it back into them because it helps me get back into the game after a big wipe - I guess this shows how powerful it is. Is this a bad reason to put it back in??

I don’t get this incessant hatred for Sol Ring. It’s really cheap and literally available to everybody to play. Yes it’s powerful but it’s not like a mana crypt where are you? Have to spend $200 to buy one

Top decked Teferi’s Protection after being “goaded” to swing out at my other opponent, leaving me shields down.

Farewell also does not hit battles. Not just planeswalkers. Don't disrespect the battles by leaving them out like that 😂

Y'all are doing the lord's work with this video. I agree with so many of these call outs. AND those were the most galaxy-brained Moxfield spots so far. I got shoryuuken'd by those Moxfield surprises. Brought your A-game today.

I love when everyone plays everything they want. I've enjoyed commander at every step of the way , from budget, and ever so closely inching towards cedh. I love tutoring, I love combos. I enjoy working around stax pieces, or trying to get back from a counter spell/wipe. I play highly tuned decks at this point to where there is an actual possibility of coming back. Maybe that's why I can enjoy all the chaos. PlYing at a lower level and your deck starts running after turn 6, then a wipe comes is very frustrating.

the Austin Post that is the only person in the "buy Joe Cherries a CEDH Deck" tier is totally Post Malone! Gotcha, Posty!!!

I’ve found my group gets really annoyed by ixidron. But I love it so much, people still have blockers

About teferi's protection, I feel it's fair but it often sees play in a situation where it feels bad. It's kinda expensive and stapely, so people who play it tends to play it in very strong decks, and when people play strong decks, other people pile on thems. One player being the archenemy and teferi protection out of 3 players actions feels really bad. This tends to be how t protection is seing play the most, that's where its reputation come from. Nobody would complain about kithkin tribal saving itself from tutored craterhoof with t protection.

Hot take: Counterspells, even the free ones, make games way more fun, especially if more than one player is using them. I understand that a lot of players have it in their head that the magic is the most fun when they can execute their pet strategy without any meaningful interruption but I think that with an open mind one can easily see why interactive magic is significantly more fun for a far less vocal group of players who may in reality, be the majority (I don't know, but it is a possibility). This is especially true for those players who came to EDH from other formats after the pandemic killed their local fnm scene. Me personally, I came from playing weekly reg REL modern nights at my LGS and I enjoy a lot of fair interaction in my magic. It is wholly foreign to me to just sit there and let my opponents advance their boardstate unchecked. Frowning upon that seems kind of repugnant to the idea of the game from the perspective of a former modern player. Interacting is half the game. Its where all the thinking and tight playing comes in. It makes the game more of a puzzle. Each player has to look not only at how to advance their own game but how to prevent the others from getting too far ahead. That means less tapping out, more careful plays each turn and best of all less oops I win moments for the combo players in your groups. Don't get triggered by getting got by a force of will or a pact of negation. Plan ahead. Think tactically. Use your brain. Learn to love the counter war. I for one, find games where we have a complex interaction battle is way more memorable then those where I resolve a battlecruiser and I think you will too. I recommend talking to your playgroups about upping the interaction count in your games and try it out. You might very well find that you share my feelings on this matter.

I play possibility storm in my cedh narset deck and I LOVE it for that reason because she gets around the storms ability to cast and resolve things. And the whole deck is built around those two cards. 🤣🤣

I feel like some cards fall into “feel bad” when they’re really just fair lol. Prime example is opposition agent, why is it ok when people tutor and craterhoof on turn 6 but not ok to stop the play??

for me i like to think of Drannith Magistrate as a removal check. Many people will use their commander as what gets them to a win, i've had many games where people would've won much sooner without the magistrate. for me as a players games that are *too fast* aren't fun, there need to be controlling elements to have a back and forth engagement at the table. turbo goldfishing sucks. i want there to be interactions, engagements on the stack between players, having to grind out board states and resources. to me, magistrate is the best example of that. where your deck can't be all about *your precious commander*. consider the rest of the table, get involved with other people's boards. or im just gonna win.

Thassa’s Oracle is just an NPC card. It’s in like every blue deck ever and gets real old real fast

From your first episodes together to your final ones, I couldn't help but feel the sadness and the weight of Joe's decisions dividing the great friendship that once was. Thanks for keeping the videos going Beezy.

Opposition agent is so increadibly fair imo. If you're mad about people stopping you tutoring, you have no leg to stand on to me. Tutor hate is fair and needed, we're playing singelton for a reason

In a SLIGHT defense of ThOracle: I hate seeing it in a deck that is design to win off it because the typical deck seems to be a deck that wants to just win with ThOracle or one other win con and has enough interaction to almost ensure it comes out. My ThOracle is just a good top card manipulation tool in my Thassa, Deep Dwelling Merfolk Tribal Blink deck :

9:20 What do you mean "It is just gone"? Red has a massive amount of Anarchist type of effects and a lot of flashback enablers. It is damn easy to recast from grave if you want it in red.

i use glacial charm in one of my mid range decks because at mt lgs a lot of people run huge damage combos to win the game and i got one so i put it in my deck and its let me win 2 games after the person has comboed out

I don't especially have problem with extra turn cards, I have problem with people taking too long to resolve turns. I won't be mad if someone take 3-4 extra turns if it take as long for a turn as someone else spinning it's wheels. I just like to be told in pre game talk but that's it. I often play one or 2 extra turn in simic decks, mostly to play one dumb dude late game and have a chance to attack with it, using it as pseudo blue haste, I feel that's a legitimate strategy.

I play Apocalypse whenever I play mono red. I use it as an eject button if I'm about to lose and think it is a fair card to play in that way. Now playing in conjunction with other cards is faux pas.

I love Winds of Abandon! Play it in every white deck... one-sided board wipe that nobody gets salty about becauee the get lands, those fools!

I think the bottom line is: everyone builds a commander deck to do a cool thing - and we don't like it when people play things that stop us from doing our cool thing. One of the most fun games of commander I played was one where there was only enough interaction to stop people from the killing blow and everyone was just doing their own cool thing before being stopped right before the win.

I know it's a bit you guys do, but I would actually like to guess when the moxfield add is! It seems like too much work just even suggesting this, but would it be possible to release a short every day that tells us the run time of the video you'll post tomorrow so we can comment there and guess? I don't even know why I want this, but I do.

Drannith magistrate us op. Stops breach some graveyard strats, cascade, flashback and commanders. What do you want more?

In a format where deckbuilding is a form of self expression it's dulling seeing the same cards over and over. I don't think the power is the problem the ubiquitousness is. Often times power is what boots you out of the game early, so you won't be winning much more. It's a shame to me because in so many strategies using niche similar cards that can have upsides over staples is the best part. cEDH instead is more akin to 1v1 and everything goes and it's great for it, cause rule 0 in edh, at least around here, isn't taken as seriously.

I last had a game where someone stole everything on my bord and everything but 3 lands turn 5 with dockside, agent flicker stuff. I now hate flicker even more 😅

Nekusar, Xyris and the like love Howling Mine effects. Also it can have a political effect where people might not attack you because you're passively helping them.

I think Drannith Magistrate LOOKS worse than it actually is.

Honestly the worst thing about Zur's Weirding is that you can't fetch it with Zur :P My personal choice is Curse of the Swine, everything about that card is so fucking stupid. Like, if it destroyed or cost XX, or even went with not being a color pie break and was like "Those creatures become 2/2s with no abilities," it would still be a powerful and versatile answer. But instead people playing Anguished Unmaking colors should consider splashing Blue for the creature removal.

If I can't play Drannith Magistrate, how do I stop the new Etali from being cast once and then casting all the cards in everyone deck for free?

I really want wizards to print a "steal / play other people's cards" commander in Esper, because I love the playstyle but am forced to play Sen Triplets. I don't even think Sen Triplets is particularly good, but people hate it so much i basically just have no commander. I think a good "fix" to the card would be to make it 1 or 2 mana cheaper, but make it so that whenever you play a card from someone's hand, they draw another card to replace it.

I cast Razia's Purification a couple times and then cut it from the deck. Its a reset that I tend to win with in a couple turns.

ya'll talking about creature extra turn ETBs and now im freaking out that Teferi didn't get a new Creature card affter losing his spark.

Video Idea: Commander cards/combos/moves that make you, the player of the cards, feel dirty My vote would be Kaalia of the vast, Master of Cruelties combo

In the absence of land destruction, mana rocks, and counter spells Green is allowed to run the format.

Agent of treachery is absolutely disgusting in my sedris traitor king deck. With flicker effects, panharmonicon, and obeka out Good Forking luck :)

Beezy, you like foils so this question is for you if you see it. I have about $800 worth of store credit would you get three $100 foils to finish out a deck and a dual land or would you spring for either a masterpiece soul ring or the foil Mox diamond?

I once cast Cultivate and someone cast Opposition Agent in response.

I rarely ever see turn 1 sol rings run away with a game. By turn 4-5 most off the game as leveled out in the tussle.

Hello Frens Was randomly recommended your channel just today

Authority of the consuls is so frustrating, specially when playing red. Also any board wipe that destroys all lands too (all is dust)

15:46 it is actually my birthday today yay thank you beezy

My problem isn't the first time dockside enters. It's how it's better to recur than 99% of other cards to an absurd degree.

loved to play glacial chasm in my Muldrotha Deck... just keep out of the trouble until i got strong enough. Enjoyed it

Beezy trying to tell me Teferi’s protection isn’t that good 😂

Honestly, I love that Thassa's Oracle and Demonic Consultation are a thing since it makes the competitive complain 😂. That's the whole spirit of Cedh right? The strongest cards in the format, and that's what they signed up for.

2:50 can you imagine a Moxfield plug right here!!!??

I think Imprison in the moon type cards could be added here. Also I never understood how everybody seems fine with all the insanely efficient green ramp cards in commander, they are cheating you out of the „flow“ of the game just as much. And theres nothing you can do about it since LD is frowned upon.

Possibility storm is fine in like faldorhn. You just cast your cheapest spells and make a bunch of wolves. At least its a win con.

Possibility Storm is one of my favorites. Especially paired with Teferi's Puzzle Box in my Nekhusar deck

I had glacial chasm in my Muldrotha deck I played it once and took it out right away

Sol ring, I can't hate it cause everybody has one. And love possibility storm, half my decks are big mana so this card almost always favors me and it's basically free protection

I feel like what also adds to why gaea's cradle is hated is cause the reserve list doesn't stop it from showing up, and if it does, it shoots the person who has it way up above those who don't. It honestly should be banned, even if it's a slower tolerian academy, it's still doing academy things.

Thassas Oracle is so obnoxious it seems like it's in basically any deck with a commander that has Dimir colors. It's not even related to their gameplan usually it's like they throw in just a couple tutors and if they draw Thassas Oracle or Doomsday/Tainted Pact/Demonic Consultation they search for the other half of the combo and win. If you're not paying blue there are very few options to interrupt this. Losing out of nowhere for like 5 or 6 total mana is ridiculous

I think the more impulse draw is printed into the format, and the more color combinations get access to impulse draw, the more powerful cards like Drannith Magistrate become. Impulse draw seems to be a path the developers at WOTC are very keen on exploring.

The cards i hate the most are thieves auction and free counterspells you can play around and time normal counterspells but free spells suck

With Howling Mine and certain Artifacts, the part that is overlooked (and one of the bigger reasons why said cards are so disliked) is the ability to turn them off during either your Turn, or your Opponents' simply by Tapping them. Urza, Convoke, animating them and then using them for whatever including Crewing a Vehicle, Icy Manipulator effects, etc. Symmetrical effects yes and can be used in Group Hug fashion besides, but when they're used in a Stacks way or you're the only one benefitting from the cards (or not being punished by them since they're turned off during your Turn) really makes these cards even more disliked.

My friends and I all have like a 10 sol rings each, it’s just a commander staple. It was in all the first precons and we all use it so no biggie

Drannith Magistrate almost caused fisticuffs at my LGS on FNM LOL :p

Teferi's protection when someone has a wincon set up that needs them to make it to their next upkeep. Well, great. They won.

I agree with MOST of these, but I NEED to say this. Fast mana is ONLY an issue in the early game. You get to turn, like, 8 and you draw a Sol Ring or Mana Crypt or Chrome Mox, you might as well have drawn a land. Also, Hullbreacher was only an issue in decks like Nekusar and Xyris where the controller of it was forcing people to draw an excessive amount of cards. Demonic Consultation isn't the issue, it's Thoracle. Anyone complaining about Consultation is wrong. Grave Pact/Dictate of Erebos is only really an issue in aristocrats decks and the occasional Gary drain deck. Agent of Treachery isn't as repeatable as Memnarch. Repeating AoT is largely going to be constantly you casting blink spells to trigger it multiple time, Memnarch, all you need is Pili-Pala and Grand Architect. HOW IS GROUP HUG AN ISSUE? Howling Mine? Seriously?

Fast mana rocks are annoying, but all you need is a vandal blast, natural state, natures claim, abrade, thieving skydiver and many more. I just don't like the turn one play 3-5 fast rocks and then turn two they have 8 mana. It's just, if you get rid of a rock, you'd also have to get rid of a ramp spell, not really fair that green (i guess white at this point now) always can get mana faster with treasure being the strongest way to get mana for red.

I've only seen Zur's Weirding once. But it backfired on the person who played it as me and the other 2 players essentially agreed to ignore the trigger for each other and just take turns paying 2 life to prevent the player who played Weirding from ever drawing cards. Basically, we just said, well if you want to make us play a miserable game, then you just don't get to play. Hopefully that guy never wants to play that card again in a public playgroup without taking about it in pregame.

“Can’t” can be a brutal word of the text.

I’ve totally reset games before while having enchanted evening out and casting a farewell

I will say possibly storm and Mishra artificer's prodigy (the OG Mishra) I am ok with despite hating possibility storm.

I'm surprised that Master of cruilties isnt in the list here. I've almost gotten into self defense situations over him lol

here's an idea. A shuffle/scuffle episode where everyone's deck has lots of these nonsense cards. Especially "Zur's Weirding". I dont mind watching a 6 hour long game play.

How is mana crypt better than sol ring? I feel like the coin flip 3 damage is a huge downside to save one mana

"Force of Will... it doesn't get any more efficient than that." Uh, well...

You guys made a big mistake, buddy. I'll be at CommandFest Orlando, and you just gave me a very interesting idea...

I've only played a little bit of Commander (very familiar with Magic in general), but I've never quite understood why Sol Ring is allowed. I can see that it's not as big a deal to have it in a 99-card multiplayer format as it would be in a 60-card 2-player format. But what's it adding to the game? The first argument I see is that it's somehow iconic to the format, but this is a weak reason I think. If it did some really cool complex thing, I could buy this argument. But it just makes mana. A boring simplistic card is not iconic in my opinion. The second argument I see is that it can't be banned since it's in so many precon decks. That's a little bit more legit, but still a pretty weak reason. It's like a $2 card; no one that bought a precon deck is going to be screwed financially because it was banned. You could say it sucks that a player will buy a precon and than discover the deck was illegal, but I don't think this would actually happen much in reality.

I'm sorry, but Back to Basics is only on this list because the person with 300-500 dollar manabase gets punished for it. I just don't feel its as debilitating as winter orb or stasis, and I'm fine if it locks down nonbasics.

I think this can be summed up as "people hate power". When you're in a competitive environment, people don't like something that feels like it makes them lose. Its not like anyone ever complains about cards that are weaker than the ones they normally run, and I doubt you'd see many CEDH players that don't like these cards. (except maybe the ones that take 5 minutes to resolve.)