It really is. I think that was when Keizer broke for good.

As a Steelers fan, that was not a good Pittsburgh team. We so deserved to lose that game.

poor kizer lol. i always wanted him to do well

@@TheHutchIsOnwell yeah they benched all the starters for the playoffs

@@night6724I think they had the starting secondary in there which is embarrassing They would later get pissed on by Blake Bortles

No one should let sports affect them that much, tbh.

Ur dad a bum sports never that deep lmao

Dude I yelled so much on Sundays during that time. Glad it's over

​@@bfkgodTbf he had other serious shit weighing on him, and the horrendous football was like a sprinkling of extra pain. He's a lot better now thankfully.

@@bfkgodLicky on da pee

Losing was part of the plan

@@jjaakk7214 Exactly. Draft picks galore.

John Dorsey's brilliance at work.

They didnt have a roster. What were they going to do, hire chip kelly? They might as well try a new approach: continuity.

He's the coach not the GM. You gotta have pieces to put together wins

I think he faked the tricep injury just to retire mid season lol. I don’t blame him one bit

@@peteyprimo7173 I don't. But as beat up as he was yet still out there every week, the thought of rehabbing for most of a year just to come back to the same dumpster fire of loserdom HAD to have tipped the scales in favor of retirement. If that injury happened one year later instead, when there was hope again, I think he'd have come back.

we (the Buccaneers) had someone similar in Paul Gruber. Great lineman, 12 years of losing.

We started winning more after he retired

​@@Neglected-Nostalgiayou had one winning season with him and one winning season since he retired lol. That's not winning more.

It was gnarly

Really funny story about that game I'll share with you. Northeast Ohio native and lifelong Browns fan here. My dad and I were doing some electrical work that required the power to the house to be cut regularly while that game was going on. Every time we took a break and turned the power back on, the score kept shooting up. Eventually, we just stopped and finished the game because we couldn't believe what we were seeing.

My friends and I were at that game, it was glorious!

@@ironpanther2420I saw that game. It was being broadcast in South Texas which is usually mostly Texas teams, NFC East, Packers(Go Pack Go) and NFC West and I was delighted to watch it. This was back when I secretly rooted for Browns success due to their past.

I was at the week 16 game the fuck Hugh Jackson chants in the muni lot was just awesome. It was my brother and I first game and we killed a 24 pack of Budweiser before the game cause we thought the Bengals were gonna slaughter us. It was also 24° that day so the browns get the W was so satisfying

I feel horrible for him. He should've been on a team willing to protect him and let him develop properly, not a team where careers go to end in disappointment. Such a bummer.

The Browns and Raiders, the QB enders, Cleveland and Oakland is just littered with lifeless QBs everywhere

If I was in his position I think I would have just refused to be drafted by such a god awful team

@@micahqgeckoNo. You wouldn’t. If your college coach says that you’re not ready and your prospects of being redrafted are low, then it would be ridiculous to throw away a great opportunity to make life changing money.

@@RupertMumphrey Yes, I actually would. Going to a team to get killed and not develop is a kiss of death anyways, you’d be better off going into free agency and picking up a QB2 or 3 spot.

Yyyep!

Dorsey got this team in the right direction... We would not be where we are currently if he was never hired in Cleveland

It goes back to Sashi honestly. With him, Dorsey wouldn’t have had the draft assets or cap source.

@@jenni8200I’ll always root against you because of Watson

@@JPer811 Who’s your favorite team?

Poor Hue? Lol he's garbage

I'm thankful for hue, with them records we got great franchise players. Yea poor hue, he never gets the respect he should

@@aaronclay4665tbh he was a good coach they just never put talent around him

​@insertnamehere9950 bro Hue Jackson is the reason Chubb was only getting 1-3 carries a game behind Hyde, is the reason Baker didn't get in a game until the Jets thanks to Taylor getting hurt, wasn't utilizing Garrett as anything more than a pass rusher, and also didn't have the nuts to call Todd on his BS that final season. Hue was a horrible coach, and if you need anymore evidence go look at the raiders under him. Man's a joke of a coach

@@scarecrow0774 the whole plan was for them to tank he and the whole front office made it well known and they were slowly improving his final year in cleveland and if he wasn't fired baker wouldn't be on his 4th team since 2020

Agreed. I had to rewind that clip like five times because there was just so much stupid to unpack.

Thats literally how he has a job, say completely ridiculous stuff and let people eat it up

Agreed that was brilliant

Cowturd is clueless. He talks fast. People trip over his bullshit and figure "okay...I guess that makes sense..."

I guess I can understand saying Cruise instead of Hanks, but he could have corrected himself

That is really tragic. When you’re the head coach the buck stops at you but the way losing that much can warp someone and their psyche is something that I think is so easily forgotten when a sports team fails for so long. It messes with peoples heads when the only thing you do is lose. Losing a parent is a monumentally challenging moment for any person and to compound that with the pressure of being a head coach in the NFL *AND* losing that much is just incomprehensible. It’s a defining moment for most folks when they lose their parents at any stage of life.

Hue Jackson’s mom passed away after he became head coach of the browns not when he was on the bengals. it was a big scene on hard knocks. It was tragic tho. Huge respect for him going out and still coaching a game the same week his mom passed away

Dude looks like he can tell a good story. The owners and front office loved him as a person. The players probably didn't mind him either (double entendre)

As a bears fan, Lovie also got fired after winning 10 games.

Black privilege

@@brothergrimaldus3836 If that were true, than Lovie Smith would have been given another chance with 4 wins.

​@@marcvslicinivscrassvs7536Im amazed he got 4 wins with such a bad team

I'm somewhat of a Shitty Team Fan myself!! (Detroit) But yeah the 2008 Lions with the Orlovsky endzone blunder is hard to top, don't remember such a memorable play from the Browns' winless season, just bland incompetence

Tom brady in his prime would have probably won 4 games with that roster.

@@YOSSARIAN313idk the season the went 0-16 a lot of their games were close. It’s just they had Deshone kizer at qb so I think Brady make a run for the playoffs

yeah - except that he was supposed to be the guy who can make a good QB.

@@TheWatchernator he was given a guy who was ruined by injuries, a mid round rookie (who are very rarely good), a practice squad guy, a veteran who had done essentially nothing with his career, and a second round rookie whos own college coach said shouldn't be playing in the NFL. and to add on to the obvious lack of anything approaching talent he didn't have any real time with any of them because they were injured so often.

@@TheWatchernator no one could habe made kevin hogan or cody kessler into a good qb

I’m a Steelers fan and I do have empathy for the Browns fans sometimes. I don’t understand ownership. You guys beat us in the playoffs like 4 years ago or so and then dismantled the team. That was a great step forward just to Browns it up again.

1 pm or 10 am for sure

Im a Saints fan , was like that in the 70's

🤣

My parents are Browns fans; that actually sounds pretty belivable. Obviously they've turned a corner now, but any time I brought up the Browns back in the 2010s and suggested they jump ship, whether jokingly or for real, they wouldn't even consider it. Maybe it's the fact they didn't have a team for a few years. Bad team is better than no team.

I was in one of the ensembles that performed in it. Can attest even through the cold, it was a fun time. Not terribly into football, but I was raised by a mother who is a die hard browns fan and always will be. When they were all the way down, really all that was left for her to do was to look up and foreward. I think a lot of the fans I saw at that parade had a similar outlook

Facts, surprised no one else said this.

Hue wasn’t the general manager

​@@agent3269 so do coaches not coach? Your o line is so bad your qbs are getting hurt constantly, do you not make adjustments?

lol yeah being able to admit your teams wrongs

@@juanserrano3628farty on da pee

@@Kevin-tb8ng let's be thankful Dan's gone

Vols fan , 100%correct

​@Kevin-tb8ng where's Jerry

@@Kevin-tb8ng Now it's the Sapnos, the Fords, Mr. Ross, then the Haslams.

​​@@IannnusJerry Jones is a player friendly owner. Gave Zeke and Dak big contracts. Gave second chances to troubled athletes. He played college football at Arkansas as a lineman so he's got some clout. Should have added that he was co-captain of the Razorback team that won a National Championship. He's an accomplished man. Dumb for people to put him in a group with Snyder. Started free agency and salary cap. He started the stadium naming rights to bring more revenue. Every sport adopted the naming rights for more revenue thereafter. He's a pioneer.

Haven't met many of ur kind in my life tell me what was it like to be a bucs fan from 2003-2019

I mean the bucs are pretty lucky to have two super bowl wins fall into their lap

And to have had the GOAT on your team for three seasons

i hate people like you, try being a raider fan (like me) browns/jets fans/texan fans. even alot of cowboy fans who have literally never seen winning football in their adult lives.

Bro y’all got 2 super bowls you don’t get to feel sad when you got one 3 years ago.

So very Chargers 😂😂😂

Dorsey was an awful drafter

Baker did work out for them. Browns just got ahead of themselves. Baker led them from trash to average NFL team with a playoff appearance and win. The Browns for some reason thought that made them automatic SB contenders. They should have kept Bakers and enjoyed being average till they got a true franchise QB but all they did was make another typical trash Browns blunder and trade for Watson who hasn’t shown signs of returning to his Texans form. DTR looks great for them though so maybe they finally lucked into a franchise QB.

@@JuanSanchez-lj8ufBaker Mayfield has as many playoff wins as Lamar Jackson, and current browns QB Watson. The press declares only one an abject failure.

@@JuanSanchez-lj8uf id roll the next ten years with baker mayfeild. hes not a top 5 QB, but ill take him anyways idgaf.

Good thing they have a rapist leading the team now. Huge upgrade for that dogshit franchise.

I wish I could throw a Roman Burger at him

It’s nice to see the browns can even make a sweet old lady angry lol

Love Mr Hero. Great story!

Dead set on Carson Wentz. Dead set on Jalen Hurts.

Nah fr

He was EXTENDED.

It’s the Browns.

If that team went 2-14 people would say that they over achieved

He’s black

I think it says more about the organization and the front office.

Seems like a Raiders thing to do.

Man, the 2010 AFC West needs a documentary. Chargers miss the playoffs despite being the 1st team in NFL history to have the #1 offense and #1 defense in terms of yards, Raiders sweep their division and suck ass outside of it, and somehow the Winless Wonder Brodie Croyle ends up being gift-wrapped a division title. Oh, and the Broncos careened headlong toward a 4-12 record with future Hall of Famers Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow aboard.

@@dominicpancella3012 Tebow? A Hall of Famer?

@@Yo_AB_Breaks I think he was being facetious

​@dominicpancella3012 wasn't that 2010 Chargers team statistically even more elite than that? I remember reading that in terms of regular season stats the 2010 Chargers were basically the best NFL TEAM EVER and somehow missed the playoffs... A 2010 documentary would be good

It was absolutely hilarious man. The whole city... JUST WIN ONCE I WANT BEER lol

They desperately need to rehire that person for the head of their marketing department, and fire everyone else currently there. Lol

Fun fact… my buddies dad served as the billboard for that promotion after the browns finally won

I’m from Dayton and I’m a bengals fan. I get shitty ownership

​​​@@sargentthiccboi9333 As a Steelers fan seeing Steelers fans call the Rooneys incompetent is hilarious and shows how spoiled we are as Steelers fans When in the same division Browns and Bengals fans have legit incompetent owners and have actual reasons to be upset at them

It's why the cowboys are the cowboys. Jerry Jones ruins his team every year with terrible decisions.

I know you meant "rooting for this team: but I'm gonna take a second to bask in the ironic truthspeaking of your typo.

@@hagamapama That poetic typo unintentionally hit the spot perfectly for fans during that time. Nice catch.

haha 😂

No

Uh… cause he screams racist, and sues teams for made up reasons when things don’t go his way.

@@tonyc8752 And then back tracks like a coward 😆

He sucked in Oakland.

Dan Quinn is another example.

@tonyc8752 he also failed miserably as a collage coach

True

If there's beer no reason not to go.

Good. Tossing your team’s history and identity to satisfy a small group of malcontents deserves to be losers for life. Same would happen to the former Indians if their division wasn’t so terrible.

@@trevinschaerr3732 because the former Indians were truly a blessed franchise before the name change

​@@bigbearkat2010I don't believe in destiny or anything like that but it's kind of interesting to me what has happened in the recent history of North American professional sports regarding these kinds of team name changes. Eskimos change to Elks: team gets worse Indians change to Guardians: mediocre team before and after Redskins eventually change to Commanders: nearly won a playoff game as a nameless team, but have been a profoundly broken franchise at least since Snyder took over Blackhawks: no name change, one of the most successful NHL franchises in the 21st century Chiefs: no name change (yet, though the SJWNPCs are trying to force it despite the name not being directly connected to Native Americans), one of the most successful NFL teams in the last decade Braves: no name change (probably the most surprising because of the way Atlanta is), recently won World Series and are at the time of writing the best team in MLB My best explanation is that these teams, if they're doing poorly, need to find something to stay relevant and so they try to appease their constituents with meaningless pandering. If they're doing well, they don't bother changing their name because they're already relevant and most likely will continue to be. Never mind that by and large, not only were these teams not named with a derogatory intent (if intent does, in fact, matter), but by and large, modern indigenous peoples don't seem to care whether the name is changed or retained-and in the cases of the Blackhawks and the Florida State Seminoles, the tribes in question have given their permission to use the names.

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holy shit spill the beans

Dude said that and never makes another comment lol

stole cincinnati’s OC smh 🤦‍♂️

yep, then he started to coach......

I think it was a decent call at the time. He helped get Oakland back to at least 8-8 from their horrible 4-12 seasons. He was a good OC in CIN.

He was viewed as the savior when he came but nope

Being a .500 team consistently will get you stuck in a rut though as well. Always performing just good enough to miss out on top draft picks. Say what you want about "tanking" but baseball (a sport that is the hardest to draft successfully in) has proven that if done correctly, it works.

To have a rookie qb that’s so fucking raw and needs so much help and development goes to a team that’s terrible all around him and not even keep a mentor qb like RG3 for Kizer is a recipe for disaster, he should of never been a brown and not keeping a veteran qb for Kizer was a terrible idea, that whole front office had no idea what they were doing

⁠​⁠​⁠@@ILLUSI_O_N-V1Exactly. Quarterbacks need time to develop, and having a veteran on your roster helps. I had no idea that Kizer’s college coach thought he wasn’t ready. Kizer didn’t play great don’t get me wrong, but he was totally set up to fail. It’s just like what happened with Tim Couch at the start of the expansion years, only arguably worse because at least Couch’s coach would’ve probably told you he was ready for the pros.

I’ve always thought he was a great OC

no not like mcdaniels

@@hunterpaigo5816 Josh not Mike.

Don’t forget Matt patricia(defensive coordinator for the patriots for 4 super bowls and gave them top 10 defense in almost every season I believe)

@@Taosparkeven Mike at this point

I actually made this face 😂 when I heard that news

Wait wym he brought him back?

Greg Williams won more games than Hue as browns head coach

@@williamstocker584Why was he not retained going into 2019?

Extended him actually.

Browns DID NOT pass on Mahommes (yes, the benefit of hindsight, Mahommes should have been picked 1, but few Browns fans aren't happy with Myles Garrett). I do believe they thought they could get him at a lower pick, but remember, the Browns traded down AFTER he was picked by KC (Mahommes was picked at 10, but the Browns had the 12th where they actually did pass on Watson then traded down againn). I think Hue wanted him over Watson or at least convinced that they could get another pick and still get a qb. Depodesta (the real Browns GM) is so into draft picks he'll get them, no problem, but won't use them. Regarding Reid, well, the Browns GM...err...Depodesta...err...the organization, doesn't like to bring in older vets. They want young guys they can mold and Reid doesn't fit that bill. Coaches that want to come in do things their way don't fit this team. Now, in all fairness, that's why Holmgren didn't work out.

Plus, Browns/Chiefs had a nice little rivalry just a couple years ago. I’m not saying the Browns are anywhere CLOSE to the level of KC, but there were some good games between the 2.

Mahomes would’ve been a bust in Cleveland. QBs need good coaches to succeed otherwise they don’t succeed at all.

Analytics should have a place in football, but not nearly as big as a place as in non combat sports. Analytics haven’t caught up to give guys ratings based on their ability to keep playing through pain or injuries, and it cannot take into account an athletes ability to play through physical and mental adversity, which is far higher in football than any other team sport.

Hue was the only one that screwed Hue. Either because he took the job completely ignorant that they were rebuilding, or because he took the job knowing there was a major rebuild and managed a tank far beyond what Haslam and company were bracing for in the first place. I'll go a step further and say that he took the job in part BECAUSE he got to be part of a rebuild, as "the football guy" in the FO - which Sashi Brown was NOT, not even a little. That's why we had to "trust Hue" about Deshone Kizer, after all. But he threw the rebuild so far off the rails so hard they went out and got Dorsey to right the ship - hell, they had to trade Carlos Hyde JUST to force Hue to put Nick Chubb on the field, when Chubb was clearly the better back.

​@@MarkZickefooseI didn't look at it like that but yeah he f#©€ed himself by not interviewing with the Giants first. I didn't think about taking the job because he would have had a "longer" leash. It honestly pissed me off when he said he was paid for losing after Flores' lawsuit when he "knew" what was up with the Browns.

Also hue is an idiot and horrible head coach, there’s that.

Hue was a terrible head coach he failed in the nfl and he just failed as a college head coach

Isn't that because most raiders youtube channels is just incoherent screaming and grunting

That’s indisputable

All-time of what? being the worst? because he would be a top contender in my opinion for that category

@@24quorthonschuldiner62 he was a head coach of all time. No adjective

@@24quorthonschuldiner62that’s the joke remember the morbius movie meme?

He used the word "manalytics" with a straight face, nothing he said after that was going to be worth taking seriously

Hue just refuses to take responsibility for failing