The most monumental Symphony-Piano transcription in 19th century

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Beethoven Symphonies (French: Symphonies de Beethoven), S.464, are a set of nine transcriptions for solo piano by Franz Liszt of Ludwig van Beethoven's symphonies 1-9.
By 1837, Liszt appears to have completed the transcriptions of the fifth, sixth and seventh symphonies, of which the fifth and sixth were published by Breitkopf & Härtel and the seventh by Tobias Haslinger. In 1843, he arranged the third movement of the Third Symphony, which was later published by Pietro Mechetti [de] in 1850. Liszt was paid 8 francs per page by Breitkopf & Härtel, who first requested two symphonies to be transcribed. During his 1840 travels in Europe he might have given the transcribed symphonies some publicity by playing them at his concerts.[ambiguous] With three symphonies transcribed, Liszt set aside the work for another 23 years. It was not until 1863 that Breitkopf & Härtel suggested to Liszt that he transcribe the complete set for a future publication. For this work, Liszt recycled his previous transcriptions by simplifying passages, stating that "the more intimately acquainted one becomes with Beethoven, the more one clings to certain singularities and finds that even insignificant details are not without their value". He would note down the names of the orchestral instruments for the pianist to imitate, and also add pedal marks and fingerings for amateurs and sight readers.[citation needed]
When Liszt began work transcribing the ninth symphony, he expressed that "after a great deal of experimentation in various directions, I was unable to deny the utter impossibility of even a partially satisfactory and effective arrangement of the 4th movement. I hope you will not take it amiss if I dispense with this and regard my arrangements of the Beethoven symphonies as complete at the end of the 3rd movement of the Ninth." (He had in fact completed a transcription of the Ninth Symphony for two pianos in 1850.) Nevertheless, he made another attempt after an expressive letter from Breitkopf & Härtel, and expressed "the range achieved by the pianoforte in recent years as a result of progress both in playing technique and in terms of mechanical improvements enables more and better things to be achieved than was previously possible. Through the immense development of its harmonic power the piano is trying increasingly to adopt all orchestral compositions. In the compass of its seven octaves it is able, with only a few exceptions, to reproduce all the characteristics, all the combination, all the forms of the deepest and most profound works of music. It was with this intention that I embark on the work which I now present to the world."
The full set of transcriptions were finally published in 1865 and dedicated to Hans von Bülow. The original publication of the fifth and sixth symphonies had been dedicated to the painter and amateur violinist Jean-Auguste-Dominique Ingres.
Vladimir Horowitz, in a 1988 interview, stated "I deeply regret never having played Liszt's arrangements of the Beethoven symphonies in public - these are the greatest works for the piano - tremendous works - every note of the symphonies is in the Liszt works."
Liszt's Beethoven Symphony transcriptions are little known outside serious musical circles, and were in relative obscurity for over 100 years after their publication. It remains a mystery why none of Liszt's pupils performed or recorded these works. The first recording of any of them was not until 1967, when Glenn Gould recorded the Fifth and Sixth Symphonies. İdil Biret became the first pianist to record the complete cycle, between July 1985 and April 1986. Subsequently, Cyprien Katsaris, Leslie Howard, Konstantin Scherbakov, Yury Martynov and Hinrich Alpers [de] have also recorded all nine.
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Excerpt from "Beethoven Symphonies, No.9, S464" transcribed by Franz Liszt.
This is the very first piece I encountered with Cyprien Katsaris. He's a real monster. Have fun!
P.f. Cyprien Katsaris

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@melonica90
@melonica90 Ай бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hZl9ibxnus-xkZs.htmlsi=ISKBRR4xnIksTDoH This vid is the part 49:58 in Beethoven's original composition.
@MiScusi69
@MiScusi69 Ай бұрын
Liszt was not just a virtuoso. He was actually a genius, imo
@thedrinkerful
@thedrinkerful Ай бұрын
the more pieces you listen by him the more you will see he wasnt just a virtuoso but also paved the way for the 20th century composers, musical and techincal wise
@ToxicTurtleIsMad
@ToxicTurtleIsMad 29 күн бұрын
No shit
@andream.464
@andream.464 28 күн бұрын
Oh and Einstein was not only a good professor, he was a genius as well🤷🏻‍♂️
@franz9002
@franz9002 27 күн бұрын
always has been
@hadrieneverard8121
@hadrieneverard8121 26 күн бұрын
Not just your opinion it's facts
@jsamuelcraw1495
@jsamuelcraw1495 17 күн бұрын
The Liszt piano transcription of Beethoven 9 I feel like cannot even be in goof faith classified as a piano "reduction" given all the notes and colors are still there. Simply amazing
@ultimateconstruction
@ultimateconstruction 10 күн бұрын
No they aren't lmfao, all the colors are lost. So it is a reduction. Nobody would ever want to hear this when you can listen to the original Masterpiece that's not destroyed by lizst's abhorrent reduction.
@jsamuelcraw1495
@jsamuelcraw1495 10 күн бұрын
Millions of people have chosen to listen to the Liszt transcription why are you so butthurt?
@elmerglue21
@elmerglue21 8 күн бұрын
@@ultimateconstruction I think it's maybe just a good exercise for liszt to try to create, I mean for anybody to play this piece at all is insane. Piano covers of songs I think are just kind of important to have especially if you play a lot of piano
@ultimateconstruction
@ultimateconstruction 7 күн бұрын
@@jsamuelcraw1495 "Millions of people" LMFAOOO, source please. Billions of people have chosen to listen to Beethoven's 9th Symphony.
@jsamuelcraw1495
@jsamuelcraw1495 6 күн бұрын
@@ultimateconstruction Yes. Millions of people. Your source is a simple youtube search of performances of Liszts transcription where you will find millions of views. Is that too difficult for you to comprehend?
@LisztAddict
@LisztAddict Ай бұрын
Cyprien recording based
@Yubin_Lee_Doramelin
@Yubin_Lee_Doramelin Ай бұрын
He's definitely a reincarnaton of Liszt - I'm not exaggerating.
@melonica90
@melonica90 Ай бұрын
Best comment
@melonica90
@melonica90 Ай бұрын
​​​@@Yubin_Lee_Doramelin표현 동의합니다. 이안페이스, 아믈랭, 모리시타, 아르헤리치, 키신 등과 함께 현존하는 피아니스트중 경이로움을 느끼는 몇 안되는 피아니스트입니다.
@Numberonesorabjifan
@Numberonesorabjifan Ай бұрын
It's not like there are other options
@Whaijorhujishkomunyk
@Whaijorhujishkomunyk Ай бұрын
Katsaris the best
@jgesselberty
@jgesselberty Ай бұрын
Only Liszt could make a piano sound like a full orchestra.
@makytondr8607
@makytondr8607 27 күн бұрын
Katsaris also adds extra notes that Liszt had not written. (Still agree that Liszt did a phenomenal job, just wanted to point out that the performer deserves credit too)
@sebastian-benedictflore
@sebastian-benedictflore 24 күн бұрын
He wasn't the only one but his transcriptions are truly of the highest order and a great gift/resource to pianists.
@prestonle8993
@prestonle8993 23 күн бұрын
And Katsaris
@user-nr5kq1yi9z
@user-nr5kq1yi9z 22 күн бұрын
Tchaikovsky?
@Piflaser
@Piflaser 22 күн бұрын
@@prestonle8993 The difference is, that Liszt invented this transcendental kind of piano playing, Katsaris is "only" an interpreter, even if he is a genius as piano player.
@chessematics
@chessematics Ай бұрын
Greatest piece of music of all time. Has to be the best transcription
@pietromontevecchio
@pietromontevecchio Ай бұрын
Fully agree, man.
@fredfenel1417
@fredfenel1417 29 күн бұрын
Noo. Loook what Rachmaninoff did with Bach… this is so uninteresting.
@ToxicTurtleIsMad
@ToxicTurtleIsMad 29 күн бұрын
​@@fredfenel1417 I wish I was as braindead as you, life would be so much easier
@marksmith3947
@marksmith3947 Ай бұрын
This is insane! And Katsaris is unbelievable. The transcription of the sixth is also wonderful. Iirc Gould recorded that one.
@dunkleosteus430
@dunkleosteus430 Ай бұрын
Makes you wonder why it isn't performed more 🙁
@collinm.4652
@collinm.4652 Ай бұрын
It’s very difficult
@leesean1794
@leesean1794 Ай бұрын
Very very hard to play
@chrisoconnor9521
@chrisoconnor9521 Ай бұрын
Because almost no one would ever be able to do it justice.
@dunkleosteus430
@dunkleosteus430 Ай бұрын
@@collinm.4652 i was joking lol
@collinm.4652
@collinm.4652 Ай бұрын
@@dunkleosteus430 hi
@avecesar4244
@avecesar4244 Ай бұрын
Liszt was not the genius in this case, but Beethoven! He only transcribed the Work of Art of Super-deaf- man
@ToxicTurtleIsMad
@ToxicTurtleIsMad 29 күн бұрын
Tell me you know nothing about music without telling me..
@thepotatoportal69
@thepotatoportal69 28 күн бұрын
Yeah, Liszt is such a dumb-dumb, all he did was make 1 solo instrument sound like an orchestra.
@Sahasrarasmi-Sancodite
@Sahasrarasmi-Sancodite 25 күн бұрын
True divine music exists in spheres far above the physical world we exist in. The great gifted musical geniuses intuit that divine music and attempt to recreate it on this physical sphere to the best of their musical skills and talents. humanity is blessed by having these prophetic musician artists take the lead and guide an evolving humanity into experiencing musical grandeur that had not been articulated musically or instrumentally before their appearance on the musical horizon.❤❤❤
@ultimateconstruction
@ultimateconstruction 17 күн бұрын
Ave Cèsar, the only adequate person in this comment section.
@ultimateconstruction
@ultimateconstruction 17 күн бұрын
​@@ToxicTurtleIsMadHe's literally objectively right, what.
@XanderMoss
@XanderMoss 8 күн бұрын
The problem with this piece is that some people like me they will only think of Clockwork Orange for most of the time :D
@wheelmanmitch
@wheelmanmitch Ай бұрын
What a badass!
@herobrine1847
@herobrine1847 Ай бұрын
Goodass
@user-vg4ed5sj2e
@user-vg4ed5sj2e Ай бұрын
probably the best fugatto section ever
@jamessalepe
@jamessalepe Ай бұрын
Liszt was another genius.
@ultimateconstruction
@ultimateconstruction 17 күн бұрын
No he wasn't. The only genius here is God of Music Beethoven.
@jamessalepe
@jamessalepe 15 күн бұрын
@@ultimateconstruction Genius is different than God. 🤦
@poncione
@poncione 26 күн бұрын
Ci vuole più coraggio per un pianista che per un direttore d'orchestra a suonare le sinfonie di Beethoven! Liszt qui riesce nel miracolo di non far sentire la mancanza dell'orchestra e del coro, ed è straordinario. Ho percepito la stessa sensazione ascoltando la sua trascrizione dell'ouverture di Tannhauser ❤
@katrmior
@katrmior Ай бұрын
do you know pierre-alain volondat's recording? I find it to be slightly superior to this one
@melonica90
@melonica90 Ай бұрын
Didn't know about it. Thanks
@chrisoconnor9521
@chrisoconnor9521 Ай бұрын
Meh...I think Katsaris is better. Katsaris has far superior control over those insane LH octave passages, Volondant lacks clarity.
@gunger1987
@gunger1987 15 күн бұрын
hi katmor
@katrmior
@katrmior 15 күн бұрын
@@gunger1987 hello sishfouper
@gunger1987
@gunger1987 14 күн бұрын
@@katrmior :exploding_head:
@AfroPoli
@AfroPoli 23 күн бұрын
Good old Ludwig van.
@AwKeShen.
@AwKeShen. 29 күн бұрын
Fun and Cool transcription!
@utvpoop
@utvpoop Ай бұрын
Impressive. Very nice. Let's see Charles Valentin Alkan's transcription (if it existed).
@melonica90
@melonica90 Ай бұрын
Unfortunately, Alkan didn't transcribed Beethoven Symphony 9
@melonica90
@melonica90 Ай бұрын
Instead, There's decent Beethoven Piano Concerto No.3 arrangement! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a7B9kq1ersfSm2w.htmlsi=m2zgqFYS6fXjIgs8
@pseudo_klavier
@pseudo_klavier Ай бұрын
미친난이도
@chrisoconnor9521
@chrisoconnor9521 Ай бұрын
Can we just take a moment to appreciate how absolutely freaking glorious those LH octaves are from 3:02 are?!
@Cookster997
@Cookster997 28 күн бұрын
You're not kidding, that is stunning.
@Pamela-dv7gb
@Pamela-dv7gb 7 күн бұрын
Liszt was kinde the sheet music boss of his time 😂 but he was a level higher and alone,nobody will ever be on the same level ❤❤❤
@pietromontevecchio
@pietromontevecchio Ай бұрын
A clockwork orange
@giorgiociomei5030
@giorgiociomei5030 28 күн бұрын
The sweet sweet Ludwig van! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@jasonenosart
@jasonenosart 23 күн бұрын
Angel trumpet and devil trombone
@giorgiociomei5030
@giorgiociomei5030 28 күн бұрын
Wow ❤❤❤❤❤
@anthonyaustin1375
@anthonyaustin1375 27 күн бұрын
Wow you got to have flexibility to play those never ending octaves/Fifhs at that speed also fortissimo ...would love to hear the full 9 symphonies just sublime
@1389Chopin
@1389Chopin 19 күн бұрын
His transcriptions are the amazing - given he was also a great conductor and likely conducted many/all of these symphonies - plus his virtuoso keyboard playing places him uniquely to translate these accurately. He is as close to the material and sonic clothing as possible
@leesean1794
@leesean1794 Ай бұрын
It’s extremely hard to play, probably the hardest piece to perform on Earth
@commentingchannel9776
@commentingchannel9776 Ай бұрын
Believe me when I say that is very much not the case. The 20th and 21st centuries are full of completely unhinged writing that is just necessary to realize certain types of music. Look up Sorabji's Opus Clavicembalisticum, Boulez's second Piano Sonata, Xenakis' Mists, Ligeti's Etudes, Finnissy's Piano Concerto no.4...
@Fatal_Error001
@Fatal_Error001 Ай бұрын
​@@commentingchannel9776but then, the 20th century period is pretty... messed up in terms of difficulty with... maniacs of virtuosity like Sorabji but perhaps we can consider it the hardest of... the romantic era.
@ToxicTurtleIsMad
@ToxicTurtleIsMad 29 күн бұрын
​@@commentingchannel9776 it might be because those who you listed have no fucking idea how to write for piano
@UlfilasNZ
@UlfilasNZ 16 күн бұрын
Ligeti certainly did!!!​@@ToxicTurtleIsMad
@harryk4840
@harryk4840 23 күн бұрын
@seheyt
@seheyt 26 күн бұрын
I suppose it could gave been nice to have the actual transcription being played - or at least something that somewhat resembles it - on screen
@ronl7131
@ronl7131 24 күн бұрын
Amazing. And young VH practiced with many opera transcription traversals, supposedly. To have recordings of these journeys….!!!
@LisztyLiszt
@LisztyLiszt Ай бұрын
At least all those octaves make it easier than it looks...
@carax-d62hs
@carax-d62hs 21 күн бұрын
The pianist is playing it at 1.5x. Or 2x. WTF. Impossible
@peterkovacs9951
@peterkovacs9951 Ай бұрын
Sean Chen's is even better
@pianista-mediocre
@pianista-mediocre Ай бұрын
No
@peterkovacs9951
@peterkovacs9951 Ай бұрын
@@pianista-mediocre It's just Liszt's transcription but amplified where it's lacking
@simmo303
@simmo303 27 күн бұрын
When did he sleep? Composing, performing, teaching, transcribing.
@meisterwue
@meisterwue 29 күн бұрын
Liszt ❤❤❤
@jeandeblaize4175
@jeandeblaize4175 Ай бұрын
Pauvre Listz ! s'il avait pu savoir qu'un jour on filmerait, on enregistrerait des orchestres, qu'on écouterait, qu'on verrait tous ces orchestres entiers chez soi, il n'aurait pas passé tout ce temps à transcrire pour des pianos de salons bourgeois, histoire d'avoir un orchestre à la maison. Aujourd'hui, un clic sur la télé, la chaine HiFi, internet et en avant la musique ! 😊
@poncione
@poncione 26 күн бұрын
Non sono d'accordo... Quella di Liszt non è una trascrizione comune, per tutti o per pianisti dilettanti... È una summa nell'arte trascendentale della trascrizione e della ricreazione di un opera altrui. Se fosse per tutti, questa trascrizione sarebbe entrata nel repertorio dei Grandi pianisti della storia... Invece se ne sono stati tutti alla larga, lasciando così l'onore a pianisti oggi considerati di secondo livello, i quali però si sono guadagnati un posto nella storia per il loro coraggio e grande bravura...
@user-hf7bo7id9y
@user-hf7bo7id9y 22 күн бұрын
Какая пошлая картинка! Бедный Ференц Лист!
@Cookster997
@Cookster997 28 күн бұрын
The tenor solo parts are a little rushed... But holy COW this is a stunning transcription and performance.
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