And people say God of War Ragnarok has no depth, ha!

Yep, yep, there is no redemption from that. Freya was right from the get go, fuck staying out of it like Kratos, fuck trying to win him over like Atreus. There are some people whom the world is just better off without, Odin is one of those people.

@@tpruss97 100% agree.

Jesus Christ…

@@TheCorrodedMan, what? Did he do the same?

I agree, though I’m pretty sure he hated Odin just as much after he killed Brok, he specifically states that he would not regret killing the All-Father after that, straight to his face.

Kratos is definitely a fuck around find out type person

Gaia: After the destruction of Greece, Kratos, the man known as the Ghost of Sparta, buried his past, buried his rage and sought control over it, to be the better man. No longer would he be a slave to fury. Not even when his exile was discovered by Odin did Kratos surrender to the old ways. He hated no enemy he fought in his quest. Magni and Modi, he pitied. Baldur, he felt regret for this reflection of his past. Only Odin would he hate...until he discovered the origin of the Ravens. For one so bound to the duty of fatherhood, Kratos of Midgard looked within himself to see that the Ghost of Sparta was reborn...but his fury and hate would be turned not to self-serving vengeance, but justice for those this Raven Keeper had wronged so dearly...

Its so fucked up...

Odin: What did you call me?

@@mr.omnidragon5757 Mimir: THATS ONES FOR BROK

If it takes Godzilla to end Ghidorah, then go Godzilla.

@@shoresean1237 I like that. Well said.

i think he's even worse...i doubt kratos would even condone child murder even when he was younger...

Kratos pretty much had to, Odin chose to.

@@shoresean1237a Godzilla reference under a god of war video, niiice

I think they did. Their final line after both the Keeper and Odin are dead seams to suggest that their pain is coming to an end. They may never reach the afterlife they where meant to, but I think they will be ok as they are, united in the comfort of each other and in what Kratos does for them. There may not be any making it right, but I can't say he didn't make it better.

My thought exactly since Odin has committed so many atrocities and crossed so many line he doesn’t deserve forgiveness whatsoever and he even reject redemption and second chance given by atreus

@@nicholasholladay-elser7307 They may have no afterlife, but they will at least be spared their pain, and in time they may fade to oblivion, which may be respite enough after their suffering.

A short reminder Kratos back when Calliope Kratos firstborn child was born she was sick and fragile due to Ares releasing a plague and according to Spata tradition she must be thrown into the cliff because she was born weak and therefore unfit to live. Kratos despite being a Spartan straight up refused to follow tradition and decides to search for Ambrosia aka the God medicine. And remember Kratos is a very proud Spartan and Ambrosia is said to be able to give one strength and immortality many have tried search for it and failed and Kratos was the one found it and he choose to give it to his daughter and not for himself.

Hes alive tho. He is mimir. Cookingkratos proved this

He never had a chance in the first place

Well, the vid shows the codex or note on the Raven Keeper that it was more their idea and not Odin's, but still he's largely related for the fact he had the RK fashion them into Ravens like his own just for recon purposes around the realms. The all-fucker already lost that chance after what he did to his own family and to others like Mimir and Freya. This...this is another level of disgusting act Odin has ever done.

@@BigJugsRule92 if kratos had a chance anybody does

@@keandregreen5628 except Kratos is trying to do better and in many ways, succeeding. Odin didn’t even bother trying.

@@BigJugsRule92 kratos tried to do better after destroying an entire land and countless people odin possibly could’ve done better like he did but after torturing and mutilating children souls I truly don’t think he would’ve ever deserved it

Luckily All Of The Shapeshifting Astral Projection Family Members Do Not Attack Babies As A Cool Rule That Must Be Followed At All Costs But Unfortunately All Of The Shapeshifting Astral Projection Family Members Will Always Hurt All Kinds Of Children Is Always Been If All Kinds Of Children Are Making All Of The Shapeshifting Astral Projection Family Members Not Staying Calm And Unfortunately All Of The Shapeshifting Astral Projection Family Members Will Always Hurt All Kinds Of Adults Is Always Been If All Kinds Of Adults Are Making All Of The Shapeshifting Astral Projection Family Members Not Staying Calm Eh.

Tbh Kratos himself did well over half of those and some unique ones of his own lol

Well, not _just_ to turn them into surveillance cameras. Also to interrogate them about the afterlife. No less horrific.

Same! The part where they mentioned mommy and daddy, I had to walk away for a bit cuz I though I would be sick.

It was at that part I realized, there is no reasoning/redeeming/saving Odin. He has truly gone so far past the line in the proverbial sand, you can use a nuke on him without risking physically damaging yourself. Heck, you probably won't even see the dang mushroom cloud!

So if I sacrifice you to a god and his servant collect your soul, to reshape it for their own use and dooms you to suffer forever. It's not stolen? Cause I given you to them willingly? :-D Not even parents can decide something like that for their children. And if they were true parents in the first place they would never have done so anyway.

The idea that children are the property of their parents is a very common belief (and most likely a prevailing belief in the Nine Realms as they exist in the game), but one I find personally repugnant in the extreme. The children themselves were the rightful owners of their souls, and they were indeed stolen from them - and it's all the more horrific that their own parents colluded in that theft.

​@@_Tomonremember Odin himself said to Kratos "have you ever been worshipped, had people pray and love you!" Odin had a great influence over people that he had Heimdall believe everything Odin did was good So imagine how normal Midgard folk would think with their belief in Odin, also parents killing their children isn't exclusive to Odins Raven anyway, in many movies and cultures parents would sacrifice their children Heck it happened in Greece And the humorous line people use (paraphrasing here) "I offer my first born!" is part of an infamous Egyptian law a king/pharaoh once demanded Lesser versions of sacrifice is the origins of weddings, parents would offer their daughters to noble houses to gain favour for land, crops and general resource, the daughters would be the trade value thus the daughter was used as a sacrifice by their families and the newly wed daughter would be used by noble houses to produce an heir (like the job of the Raven keeper, turning a soul into a tool for someone else)

the kids would beg to differ. those souls belong to them not their parents and not odin either

That doesn’t make things any better.

With what the Raven keeper did to their souls.....I imagine there is no end to the amount of malice those children hold towards their "New Mother".

@@smugreptile6695 absolutely

The parents did the sacrificing. Odin was just the catalyst

@@TrojanGamer10 It is still possible he 'encouraged' it. A blessing here, a punishment there, a few whispered words.... We know he is a cunning manipulator, what's to say that after the plan was conceived he didn't help gather more souls. There are 101 of these things that we know of.

I think, on balance, Odin and the Raven Keeper were the greater monsters. Each set of parents only sacrificed a few children - Odin and the Raven Keeper took _all_ of them.

Parents are more evil odin is a manuplitave bastard but a mother and father should never sell out there children no matter what he offered

Who are those children ? Raven children or human children ?

and atreus wanted to reason with him at the end. shit ending

@@zak_atck to be fair he didn't know the monstrosity that Odin did to those children. But you can find peace knowing sindri finished the job.

@@winooi5012 Each of the ravens (I think 101 in total) are children who for one reason or another were hanged by their parents so their soulds may be “of use” to Odin. Then the Raven Keeper took their souls and formed them into ravens, until both their mind and body became perverted and lost to the peace of afterlife. Tldr: children who were killed by their parents to serve odin

Considering Kratos was a father twice over and taking into account the efforts he made to cure Calliope and Atreus of their ailments, the idea of committing filicide is something that hits close to home for the God of War. Moreso, considering that he too committed filicide when he unknowingly killed his daughter.

Agreed, though I feel like Kratos already had a pretty good idea how these children died after he repeated the phrase. “Swung from the tree.” His silence afterwards says it all.

Naw Zeus’s brought the apocalypse to Sparta 😂 there equal

@@millionairesburner24between death or being an eternal slave to an obsessive old man, I’ll gladly take death by Zeus any day of the week. At least I’ll still be me in the underworld.

In terms of raw power Zeus is more terrifying but in cunningness. Odin is definitely more terrifying because when you really think,. About it all he could’ve killed them the entire game. He could’ve poisoned the food he could’ve left boy to drown. Without Odin‘s protection boy would’ve been dead on the spot. In Asgard when Sif wanted him executed, Odin kept him denied it because he needed him.

Nah, ya'll are forgetting what he did to the Titans, hecatoncheires, those other people he imprisoned, etc etc. Sure these kids get their soul twisted, but imagine being stuck in the Pit of Tartarus with a mountain in your back for all of eternity, or being eaten alive by a bird, and regenerated, just to be eaten again for eternity, or be sealed inside a mountain where you're trapped there for eternity... If you think about it, these kids got off easy cause at least they don't seem to be being controlled through pain, but manipulated through fear. Zeus will make you immortal just to break your body and mind for the shits and giggles.

Good luck! And I am so keeping this in mind for when I need to be mad.

I do not know about that... Yes, you must be a pretty big piece of sh*t to sacrifice your child/children to anything/anyone, much less by hanging them on tree... (But religious zealots are rarely driven by anything other than their own agenda...). But if not for Odin, those children's essence would live forever in afterlife as it was supposed to be. Odin could easily just let them be, let their souls to where they would naturally go after their deaths... Instead he took those souls, the very essence of those kids, handed it to the sadistic, maniacal b*tch, who was literally twisting and corrupting them till they become perverted, till they were irrevocably changed AND on top of them, she bound them to the servitude forever(or at least for as long as Odin or sadistic b*tch is still allive). What parents did was horrifying, but those were just a mortals, who were tricked by Odin's charade AND i suspect that most of those parents were desperate enough to sell one of their kids to Odin in exchange for means of survival for them and rest of their families. They were tricked and forced. But Odin knew the score. He willingly and, by his own choice, destroyed souls of nearly hundred kids(possibly even more, but who knows). Odin was possibly the biggest piece of sh*t in the whole GoW universe... Or at least in the Norse Saga.

Technically it’s Sindri who fulfilled their wishes

Which one is it?

Nvrm found it

@@KhoaLe-jm4svwith help from Kratos, Freya and Atreus.

You think this game is lighthearted?

@@jlev1028 lets give him a free pass this time, he looks like a new gow player.

@@jlev1028 it is compared to gow 2018

@@rsk-1337 Not really. This game actually ramps up the tragedy with multiple onscreen deaths of likeable characters, Midgard being a frozen wasteland for three years, Freya dealing with looming hatred she has for her son's killer, Sindri being reduced to a broken shell of himself over grief, Angrboda confronting her grandmother's grief fuelled addiction, Kratos constantly worrying about starting a war, and Thor's behavior being caused by his father's emotional abuse. Not to mention the game ending with the destruction of most of the Aesir and leaving the rest homeless.

​@@jlev1028 About Freya, what i would've added to your list is her trying to overcome emotional damage caused by her abusive husband. I mean the whole story of hers in Ragnarok is her being vengeful, but realizing that Kratos was just a "last push", the culmination of the choices she and Odin made... The true culprit behind, well, everything bad that had ever happened to her, was her own abusive husband. Husband she married to save her realm, yet she achieved nearly nothing by doing so... Few years of a very flimsy peace, then war renewed and now even bloddier than ever before. Freya was abused constantly by Odin and even after "separating" he still maintained his hold over her AND he even managed to destroy what little remained of their own son's sanity...

Yeah, I think so mate, that is just chilling, it’s so easy to forget just how much of a monster Odin is at times with his unassuming nature.

First thing that popped into my head when I heard the souls of the ravens at the tree was those aliens in the claw game from Toy Story…

Contain your orgasm, bruh. 😂

Me or Kratos? Thanks dude

I don’t see Sindri going for revenge on Atreus, even with everything that happened, he still cares about his friends and he knows Brok wouldn’t want him to do that.

disfigured also works in the context

Since they were killed and what's left of their souls are in the realm of the dead, I think their days of flying in Midgard might be over. Has little to do with Kratos being in charge or not. Their souls were so twisted by Odin and the Raven keeper that they don't get any afterlife other than what they have now. They are broken beyond repair.

Mf what about KRATOS? 🤦‍♂️

@@Rose-xe7oj it's 101, counting the ravens from the last gow game

It was Sindri who delivered the killing blow. He did not %$#@ around...

The characters say it loudly

They’re definitely ravens not crows. Ravens are much larger than crows, even though they’re from the same genus Corvus. Also, Odin, in mythology and game lore, is known as the God of Ravens. They’re definitely ravens.

I’m a make some more just for you pal

Worst

He imprisoned mimir for what was going to be an eternity, personally overseeing his torture every day. Or what about the genocide of the giants? Or what about when he killed his own son with no remorse? Or any of the hundreds of stories of his cruelty mimir tells us? He’s evil and has always been portrayed as such. The reason he acted kind towards Atreus is to try to earn his trust

@@somefavabeans there is something different to killing kids. War I understand, getting information, even killing his son when his son went against him. But these were children killed by their own parents to serve Odin. What the fuck. Like yes Odin was evil but there was sense to it. He was trying to accomplish something but this was both cruel and kind of entirely unnecessary.

​@@dragonlogos1 Did you forget that Odin is known to be incredibly petty and cheap too? He goes into a fit if he was rejected or if he lost a bet. Consider this line he told Kratos, "Had anyone ever worshiped you? Ever prayed to you? Can you even imagine that kind of love?" What do you think he was referring to other than the parents who worshiped him and sacrificed those poor younglings' souls? He was gloating about it.

There is also Fólkvangr(The Valhalla of the Vanir).

What are you yapping about ?

There is

@@HAMZA_OLYMPUS I'm not talking about the Raven armor and runic attacks you get for destroying a certain amount of ravens I mean an actual trophy achievement so the achievements would be more of a challenge the platinum trophy was easier than the 4th one.