Do you think we ever see a NASCAR game again from Motorsport Games?

You know it's bad when Nascar fans prefer a game made 20 years ago

Man, I remember getting Thunder 04 as a kid and being so excited about the future of Nascar games… disappointing isn’t even the word…

The Diary of Jane playing in the background brings back such good memories for me. NASCAR 07 was the first video game I ever played and still to this day believe it is the greatest racing game of all time. I just wish newer NASCAR games could be made just as good as 07, 06, Inside Line, 04, 05, etc.

I didn’t buy NASCAR 21: Ignition because I wasn’t buying before reviews came out. I have to thank Motorsport Games tbh. They did save me money for groceries.

And let’s not forget about the “clown show” of a Le Mans event they put on.

The failure of nascar games for the past decade is directly linked to the people in suits and ties not spending the money on a developer and publisher that’s worthy of someones time. I understand studios like codemasters are expensive but there’s a reason for it.. they make good games. If you want your game to be good you have to make the investment. Nascar is simply cheap. The same thing is happening with Konami right now. They announce a Silent Hill 2 remake and they get Bloober team to make it?!

Unfortunately, I think NASCAR is indeed screwed. Unless they come to their senses and pull out entirely, there really is nothing left to save NASCAR gaming other than iRacing, but then again, iRacing isn't getting off that easy as they have not made many smart decisions themselves.

I miss the days of having multiple developers make games for NASCAR

And this is why the only motorsport game I play anymore is beamng, sure its not exactly setup for a ai racing but its a good quality game that has insane amounts of potential, especially with devs that actually care

I really wish NASCAR would pull the license. A sign of "we don't do drama, and we don't do money hungry scumbags" I also wish we could get rid of exclusive deals. They aren't good for anyone. Look at the last time we had 3 game creators. We had dirt to Daytona, thunder series, and nr2003. 3 of the most favorable games in NASCAR history. We are literally a sport of competition, why can't our game creators compete to be the best instead of just handing someone all the money to be less than mediocre.

4:55 Who do we ultimately blame? EA Sports. If they hadn't done the exclusive deal back in 2003, none of this happens.

NASCAR Thunder 2004 was a near perfect NASCAR Game if any game developer had Thunder 2004 as the foundation with an updated driver roster in addition to Xfinity, Trucks, and either Modified or Late Models with fantasy tracks and a paint booth with the option to upload you're own logos like Grand Turismo it would be the most perfect absolute best NASCAR game ever made but motorsport games doesn't have the money or the testicular fortitude to do it.

Honestly, it's not just NASCAR games. The sports genre as a whole peaked in 03-05 and has been on a downward trend ever since, to the point where you're just hoping that the newest version of your favorite sports game series is at least not a broken glitchy mess. I guess as a sports gamer, that's why I never truly moved on from the PS2/OG Xbox/GameCube generation. A lot of the best sports games came from that era. NASCAR Thunder 04, Madden 04, NHL 04, NBA Live 05, ESPN NFL 2K5, MVP Baseball 05, heck even SmackDown: Here Comes the Pain if you wanna add wrestling into the mix.

Nothing short of a full reverse engineering and update and remaster of Thunder 2004 can save NASCAR gaming now, and even then whoever develops it will probably find a way to blow it.

NASCAR Heat Ultimate Edition+ will forever be the only MG product ever released without problems. Truly a testament to how horrible they've been at literally every single thing they've touched or bought. It's almost award worthy.

I think the best situation we could get out of this is Monster games/Iracing buying out the Motorsport games company. Monster takes over the nascar and indycar console games, while Iracing gets the Indy rights back

Weird Question that I'm not sure anyone can answer. Can NASCAR do anything legally to back out of the Motorsports contract and find someone else?? Maybe this is the next thing Dale Jr publicly bends the ear of NASCAR on? I definitely agree with your take on neglecting the Video Game takes a market of fans out of the equation. Fans that are willing to spend money on it. I absolutely LOVE driving NASCAR Paint Scheme Cars on other Driving games already and there's several to choose from (Both in Forza and GT) and I wanna drive them on NASCAR Tracks (Past and Present) and the fact that I can't drive Nashville Superspeedway unless I buy a crap game annoys the hell out of me.

I remember hearing the cancelation of NASCAR 22 and thought of it as a WWE 2K22 situation, where the devs would climb from the ashes of their previous title and come out with a comeback. But it seems that it's good as dead at this point

Although people are calling for EA, they’re not going to want to touch the NASCAR license again due to it not being profitable, especially after what msg did to it

I have a retro gaming day twice a week, I've been playing nascar 07, it was my personal fav as a lass, really enjoying playing the career. It's sad 07 was part of the downward end of nascar gaming, but yet it's a masterpiece compared to modern day

I got NR2003, good game that's 20 years old and still very well alive.

What about the absolute sh*t show that was the virtual 24hrs of Le Mans that Motorsport Games hosted.

Would leaking the source code actually be such a bad thing? The community could make NASCAR 21 better, fixing every bug and making it even more mod-friendly than NR2003.

I hope if those employees will release those leaks

After Le Mans Virtual suffered from clearly outdated security measures, completely neglected online servers, and clownshow officiating, I really don't know how they actually do move forward. Major brands in the racing world, as well as F1 driver Max Verstappen, basically dropped Motorsports Games and their scam artist bs last weekend bc of their utter failure as a racing game company

Pretty sure Dmitri is just gonna hold the Nascar Licensing for ransom at this point

This is 110% on the fans who pushed 704 out the door.

We need a game from IRacing

Would love to see Bugbear and HandyGames get into the NASCAR gaming scene. Seeing the NASCAR styled racing that people are putting together on Wreckfest has been great! If not them, Turn 10 and the Forza/NASCAR stuff has always been great as well. However, I have absolutely no confidence in anything that is currently being done with NASCAR gaming except maybe iRacing but, I still don't see iRacing being as accessible, especially with the casual gaming community which helps to bring new fans to the sport.

Stupid question: is the fact they sponsor the 78 why BJ McCleod is so inexplicably good in the games?

Here’s something I thought of that no one is talking about in this fiasco. How much did MSG spend on the soundtrack of NASCAR 21 Ignition? There are some big names in the sound track like Lynyrd Skynyrd, Aerosmith, and Imagine Dragons (as well as the songs wrote for the game). The rights to use those songs don’t come cheap and they probably ate up a good piece of the game’s budget. I wouldn’t be surprised if they spent more in the soundtrack than designing the game.

I really want NASCAR Gaming to be the same, playable on Playstation, Xbox, Nintendo, and PC. P.S. I like the NASCAR Heat 2, Heat 3, Heat 4, Heat 5, Heat Ultimate Edition Plus, NASCAR Rivals, NASCAR Thunder Games, NASCAR 99, NASCAR 2000, NASCAR 2001, NASCAR Unleashed, and NASCAR Heat.

Monster Games is the future of NASCAR games and we need to root for Motorsport Games' failure to speed up getting to that point.

EA SPORTS didn't DARE to treat NASCAR like this. Yeah, they removed a lot of features from 2004 to 2009 (PS2 editions of their games), but their games WORKED as intended nearly every time! Their PC games (eg: NASCAR SimRacing) weren't as high quality as their PS2 games, but even with NSR being an obvious beta, that's far better than what I've seen from clips of Motorsport Games' products. I want EA SPORTS back!

Well with the Virtual Lemans 24 Hour Race being a Total Disaster and When a 2 Time World Champion Confesses They are done

I can't understand why Codemasters never picked up the contract. That would've been too good for the Nascar community Iguess.

I think NASCAR needs to give two different companies the rights to make NASCAR games, and those companies will compete to make the game people want to buy. As long as there are two different companies no one can be complacent and just make a not good game.

I miss the days when EA Sports did the NASCAR games. It was practically perfect back then.

I recently downloaded Nascar Racing 2003 Season, added the Truck and Aero 88 mods, downloaded a few extra tracks, and have been having a blast.

All I wanted was a rear view mirror, which is apparently a lot to ask for.

NASCAR Gaming went down the tube when EA got their exclusive rights to it, basically shutting out Papyrus.

Seems that sports gaming everywhere is in a bad spot right now. Haven’t heard of anything great from the last few Madden’s and it seems 2k has lost its shine. I think the upcoming NCAA release can either make or break EA. Maybe gets them back in a decent spot. Wouldn’t mind seeing EA take it back if they can get everything straightened out. Would be interested to see what 2k could put out. Best thing possible though would be to see iRacing come out with a console release, but that won’t happen.

I’m honestly so glad I was never interested in NASCAR games beyond, like, NASCAR 2011. I’ve since had titles like Gran Turismo, Forza, Assetto Corsa and BeamNG to satisfy my racing game itch from then on. Can’t imagine how heartbroken and depressed I’d be now if I was desperate to play something NASCAR related and the expensive iRacing was my only viable option that actually worked.

Heck, it's happening to rfactor2, especially with the Le Mans 24 hours Virtual that just recently finished. It made sim racing look like a joke. Had like 2 red flags in a couple hours because of the entire server going down. They went on a new server and they consider those random disconnects to be "unlucky" and wouldn't give laps back. And apparently Romain Grosjean works for MSG and tried comparing them to real life mechanical failures (weird how HIS TEAM benefitted from said dc's and won it). To say MSG is poorly run is somehow an understatement, and I think they're the modern day LJN. (Un)Luckily, Verstappen competed in it and put them on full blast

I've stuck to NR2003 because for the most part the physics still stands up well and it's basically an open sandbox they let's you do whatever you want

Seeing how EA obtained the F1 and WRC license, I wouldn't be surprised if they're just waiting for Motorsports Games to collapse to also get the NASCAR and IndyCar license.

Honestly they should shut it down at this point

Nascar should just buy out their exclusivity contract at this point. 2 years in, and the company has had several doomsday moments. Either cut their losses and find an actual good developer that's been around and is proven, or get rid of exclusivity all together and just hand put licences so we can have that 2002 like era where multiple games had to really put out good products to compete.

Quality video games help attract young people. It's been that way for decades. Which is why it's so bizarre to hear NASCAR constantly talking about wanting to have more young viewers and then letting their brand sit on shovelware year after year.

NASCAR should've thrown Motorsports Games out of the window the minute they weren't going to make NASCAR 22

Would love to see a NASCAR Diecast quality decline video on this channel.

I had a lot of fun with NASCAR HEAT 5, even though it's unprofessional to use the controller on Switch. Really worried about the future of IndyCar and NASCAR games because it's so easy to attract new and young fans. I'm that person who was interested in FE and NASCAR in mobile games and switched to watching real races.

NASCAR did the same thing to Papyrus in 2004, signing an EA exclusive. It's horrible for fans. Is ironic that iRacing was built upon the Papyrus computer code.

I like to compare the management of motorsport games to f1 ferrari management. Having some potential but making bad calls or screw up on the daily.

@theiceberg what are the odds nascar moves the numbers back?

Just got my Thunder 04 back up and running!!! LOVING IT!!!

Iracing helped make that world of outlaws game recently and it went over pretty well so I don't see how NASCAR doesn't just lean on iracing real hard to make a console game for them. It's not like anyone in the console gaming market is going to buy into iracing's blatantly predatory pricing model, so it's literally a whole new (and very large) demographic of people to market to.

NASCAR 07 was my introduction to NASCAR console games and let me tell you, it’s terribly frustrating and sad the trajectory the sport has gone when it comes to console gaming. Jumped ship after Heat 2, returned Heat Evolution the same day I purchased it due to that game being unplayable to me. But, compared to Ignition, Heat Evolution actually was somewhat playable! Unless if NASCAR bites the bullet and goes with a reputable developer, NASCAR console gaming is dead.

I mostly stick to playing NASCAR ‘05 and NASCAR Dirt to Daytona . Lately I’ve been revisiting ‘08 and ‘09 on PS2 for a video I’m planning. The last newer NASCAR game I played was ‘13. I’m really glad I haven’t played a new NASCAR game in 10 years if this is what it’s like now.

I really wish there was a decent current NASCAR game

I think the biggest issue has to be these companies stupidly signing exclusivity contracts so that only one company can make the games. It's happened with Madden, NBA, WWE, Nascar, and so on. It's the number one cause of why these games are getting so bad

I'd also like to say, people are saying a Thunder 04 like game would be what saves NASCAR's gaming stuff, that'd help but at this point i think the best thing would be something released under MicroProse with how it's gotten over the years..

The development of better consoles, better graphics, and powerful processing power will be the downfall of video games. The days of a group of friends designing and releasing an entire game from their basement is over. It's just too expensive, and too technically demanding. Because of this, the quality of games that are anything short of Nintendo, Sony, or Microsoft exclusives are going to fade into obscurity. NR2003 turned 20 last year. TWENTY. It'll be of legal age to drink come FEBRUARY. And that game is still arguably superior to anything we've gotten on console in the last 15 years. Absolutely pathetic.

NASCAR should invest time in the team management side of their games. Let you build a team with more than 1 car and driver per race. It's been years.... There is no way they can't do it. They just won't.

Add to this the Virtual Le Mans debacle. Motorsport Games won an exclusive deal with Le Mans, ending iRacing's version of the Virtual Le Mans 24, and starting their own on rFactor 2 (which they own), and due to shitty servers (Shills hide behind the DDOS excuse, but a DDOS can be defended against, as many companies do) almost everyone ended up disconnecting at some point. And notably Max Verstappen, the Formula 1 world champion quit. Saying he struggled to even call it an event, saying that it was a "Clownshow." He continued on to say that he won't ever participate again on this platform. Say what you want about his attitude, but I am glad such a massive voice is speaking against motorsport games. Because honestly all of us won't hurt a company with words. Max going viral with a valid criticism of their platform? Might at least make motorsport games look bad.

In my opinion, NASCAR is to blame. They shouldn't have went with a Russian company that is being run by a con artist to make their games yet they did. NASCAR should have went with some other company that knows the motorsport and knows how to make a good racing game. NASCAR has screwed themselves and they'll eventually pay for it.

The sad thing about this game is the ontrack racing isn't bad but all the glitches and issues. The lack of a rear view camera everywhere you look this game has problems.

You saying it made you got from pissed off to sad is how I feel about the sport itself with how shitty it's become.

Why no mention of the 24hrs of LeMans Virtual?

When it comes to the paying of employees, MSG is an American publicly traded company which means under “law” right now, they can’t send or receive money from Russia. All transactions are blocked by the Government. So I don’t see what they can do about that. I don’t personally understand why anyone outside the US is actually working on NASCAR games anyway tbh.

Why does the exclusive license have an effect on Indycar and not NASCAR? Iracing holds official NASCAR events, with MSG getting the Indycar license, whats stopping them, different agreement terms?

I remember Christmas morning I opened up a present I knew was at least two camecube games together, opened it up and, backyard football, and dirt 2 Daytona. I remember those two games, nba street vol2, Mario kart double dash, and legend of Zelda collectors edition, and my classic Super Nintendo punch out and mario bros and duck hunt was my childhood gaming. Nascar heat D2D, thunder 03/04 were the nascar games I grew up on. Since those games it’s been more and more about what it looks like over what it plays like and what the game included. Developers are hijacked by never ending task of pleasing “shareholders” who demand too soon to complete deadlines forcing out halfway completed games and 21 ignition was the textbook greatest example of what’s going on in gaming and the money behind it all. Gaming is far behind the fact gamers should be getting literally payed to play. And it’ll happen

9:46 HE TURNED EM!

I was going to say “at least it’s not as bad the latest drag racing game”, then I saw Joey Logano clip through the ground…

Unfortunately, I don't think that this will be the end of MS. I am kinda hoping that it would be (does that make me a bad person?) because this is just such a mess that honestly NASCAR should step in and do SOMETHING with the license. MS to me is almost like Frank Gallagher from Shameless, they will pull out some kind of greasy-ass way to kick out of all the BS at 2 and 9/10's (wrestling terminology) and continue to exist somehow some way. I also kinda hope the source codes DO get released. Again, am I a bad person? I'm almost rooting for the chaos at this point because of how bad this is. Also, because I am almost sure that there are PLENTY of talented modders and coders that will nab them up and might actually make something halfway decent. Or they may not. Who knows, but at this point I'm willing to have them try anyways. To add, I don't want EA back. Just look at how they took the F1 game that Codemasters did so amazing with, and turned it into everything else they make; A shallow, "focus on anything but the racing aspect" f**king money pit. I hate to admit that with all I complained about with the NASCAR Heat titles from 2016-2020, NASCAR Heat 5 is actually a playable, serviceable game and I'd rather play that than Ignition. Hell, I'd rather play NASCAR 06 (my most hated NASCAR game along side Evolution) than Ignition. My hopes are honestly to see NASCAR pull the license from MS and have other developers make a game. I don't want an "exclusive" license either, just make it so other developers can make something. I don't exactly wish for those people at MS to lose their jobs and have to find a way to feed their family and keep a roof over their head, but I so badly want that company to tank. With all the crap that has been going on with them, that is probably the easier way out of all this anyways. I just want to go back to a time when NASCAR games got released for consoles that not just played well, but were extremely immersive and truly drew me in to wanting to be involved with the sport that I watched every Sunday. Is that so f**king hard to ask for? The past nearly decade now has been absolutely abysmal. Just one damn game that plays well enough for me to genuinely want to keep picking up the controller and play it. That's all lol

Welp sadly the EA thing isn't gonna happen. EA themselves have even said Nascar as a license now has no value. That means if MSG folds the rights are gonna default back to Monster Games/iRacing

Is it sad that at this point I wish EA could somehow jump in and take over like they took over the F1 games? I mean come on, EA has F1 back, they just obtained the WRC rights and they'll be producing this years WRC title, why not let them fly in and take the rights to NASCAR back and hell grab IndyCar while they're at it. There's gotta be a better developer out there who can handle these franchises better.

These developers stopped looking at the Nascar license as an opportunity to make well rounded video games, and just see it as a platform for microtransactions and DLC. Other sports titles do this too, but they at least deliver the basic features of a video game. These Nascar games are just bare bones demos of jumping from one race to the other, with nothing really happening in between. Just look at how long it took to get STATS in one of these games from the first Eutechnyx game to the middle of the Heat franchise. That's 8 straight years before they finally heard me screaming about it. Statistics is the most basic part of any game, and even more important in a sports title, and none of these developers thought there was a problem releasing these games without it.

Nascar needs to step up and cut the cord on Motorsport Games. I think if they were to have signed with Codemasters or 2K Sports to take the license then things would be better, especially Codemasters

I’m kinda lost on why NASCAR’s screwed on this. Maybe it’s not wise to assume their counsel(s) drew up contracts without options to reneg or walk away for poor performance, but maybe it is?

Motorsport games are so has licencing for the British Touring Cars too. Well not as big as the games mentioned. It still being outside of America I guess

If NASCAR doesn't pull the license from MSG immediately, NASCAR Console Gaming is pretty much dead. That's the reality we have to face.

I have a good feeling that Forza Motorsport 8 has the opportunity to capitalize on all of this and be a great racing game for everybody

Give the franchise to codemasters

It shouldn't be so hard for all these companies to make a decent nascar games but here we are

Honestly, I'd pay good money to see a Codemasters NASCAR game. Maybe something akin to the F1 games.

Its sad that Forza Motorsport 7 is a better nascar console game than the official nascar game. It’s been a total joke. I wish T10 studios can pick up the Nascar License.

I don’t know which one is worse, these or the latest Madden games?

I have lost all hope with Nascar console gaming. I’ve recently been introduced to NR2003 and have had a BLAST and when I had internet at the time was getting into AI season races with I Racing. Though a bit more expensive I enjoyed it severely. Motorsport Games is a joke and will continue to make a joke of themselves going forward. I don’t see them releasing any competent product anytime soon. I’ll gladly keep my money.

thank you for not even mentioning the rf2/Le Mans Virtual fiasco, pretty sure their done, especially if that employee isn't paid and leaks the source code...

At this point, I think I’d take EA over Motorsport Games. Even as an annual release franchise, it could still grow and improve like the recent F1 games while still retaining the nostalgia of the Thunder games

If you read this Ice leave me a 🏁 So... My opinion (and I know everyone has similar thoughts ) Personally I believe that they should just release the Rights Back to Monster games, with the influence of iRacing in the World of Outlaws the Game, and Steve Myers & Dale Jr. Even "Hinted" to making or release a Modern Dirt to DAYTONA and/or Nr2003 (Nr2023) .. And with the World of outlaws game having so much success and in my league we've had zero issues since drop .. I personally would love a combination of world of Outlaws to Super Late Models (asphalt) to Acra,trucks, Xfinity, cup and I also personally would Love all oval track vehicles on iRacing (from 80s cars to current) would be great game mode for both offline and online called Retro mode to not only allow NASCAR lifelong fans old cars to have Nostalgia but also to teach young fans of each Generation of the Stock car. I agree 100% with I became a fan of NASCAR because of NASCAR '98 flirting with disaster is my childhood 🤣.. So I believe Monster and iRacing should have the License, if they don't then I pray someone takes it to heart to give the fans something to compete with PC gaming, regardless of the difference in the platforms, some of us can't afford to Buy all the luxury to do iRacing. Regardless of what others say it's still expensive for us paycheck to paycheck people. Thanks for reading Ice, Love your channel

This is why NASCAR Racing 2003 Season is still alive. Your only other options are iRacing and... this crap. 💁‍♂ And plenty of people don't want to touch iRacing for reasons ranging from financial, to the fact that you don't OWN any of what you pay for, to the way iRacing treated the NR2003 community when they were still vaporware called FIRST.

One thing worth mentioning about Motorsport Games is the shitshow that was the virtual 24 hours of Le Mans in RFactor 2 (game owned by Motorsport Games) They couldn't build a decent functioning server for the biggest event in Sim racing, even knowing the likes of Max Verstappen, Romain Grosjean and Felix Rosenqvist would drive

The only way to save NASCAR gaming other than iRacing: revoke the license from MonoSodium Glutamate or whatever, and then give it to Kunos, Reiza, or Microsoft and Turn 10, or maybe ex-Slightly Mad Studios personnels.

Motorsports games has been pissing me off

After what EA did to my favorite game, Star Wars Battlefront II, Im very sure I don't want EA to get the exclusive license

This is why I still play NASCAR ‘15. Current NASCAR games are dumpster fires.

Honestly it seems like they have a ton of ambition and nobody to lead. It sounds like they need to have scrum Masters and a load of goals to drive the development. To me it just sounds like there's nobody leading over and that's the problem. These people should be on top of their projects but they're not. I'm a scrum master in need of a job and quite frankly it may be an undertaking and they are an undisciplined bunch but it's not out of the question with decent leadership to get these products out. I don't know how many Sprint's it would take to get these products out but I would think it could be done in a relatively short amount of time. It sounds like they really need to just build one framework and just start adding DLC.