toe to toe with Treasure Planet, if you ask me

It's my childhood movie like bro stuff had real love in that

Eris was my childhood crush and her hair I think was the reason why. Like, damn it's smooth as hell!

Yasss 🤣🤣 love her hair

​@shadowdroid776 you mean that literally 😢😂

Ok, I've never seen it but that actually sounds fucking gorgeous, it sounds like an almost Nobel prize winning movie

@@SuperChavon well it's good but it would probably not hold up today

@@giyuutomioka6974 yeah, sounds about right Still gonna watch it tho

Ain't Sinbad's legend came from 1001 Arabian Nights? Or are they modified the story in the movie for the children sake?

Omg you just made both my childhood And tweenhood. Massive ON POINT!! I freaking love Sinbad tho. I love ALL of DW's 2D movies.

2D animation for sure! 3D animation wasn't astounding but it was fantastic for when it came out as well as with the general color palate of the movie!

​@@MondoC Prince of Egypt is a propaganda on how the Jews built the pyramids

We can definitely replicate it, but it definetely still holds up fairly well to the current standard of 2D animation.

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Clearly you never watched anime movies. Sure Sinbad for an American cartoon was good but nah it wasn't the best thing out there.

As a kid when it came out, we were all fatigued from half baked, half adult adventure movies. Tarzan, Atlantis, Treasure Planet, Quest for Camelot, Prince of Egypt, El Dorado... then Emperor's New Groove put a twist on the trope but man, every movie was the same thing. And then we got Sinbad, another cultural legend rewritten, and after what Disney bastardized into Hercules? None of us were interested. Bland looking characters with the same Dreamworks face, a washed out palette, and 2D and 3D that did not blend whatsoever... it looked like El Dorado's cheap sequal in the ads. Oh, and 9/11 played into the whole anti- Middle East thing. The movie that changed it all up was Lilo and Stitch, not Sinbad and the sexy lady goddess and the sexy lady wearing pants in a historical setting smh...

It. Was. AWESOME!!!

i never knew they made a movie abt Sinbad

@@Undomaranel "none of us" You and your small group of friends don't speak for everyone bro.

They said “it flopped at the box office” not “flopped because people thought it sucked”

I agree. Its one of my favorites since childhood!

It's ahead of its time. Same with Treasure Planet

True

​@@Levouni Same

​@{The Autumn Wind} edgy do you even click it?. I just saw"don't read my name" and my fingers tap on "report spam" instantly

Dang I miss that era of animated movies. Those and Treasure Planet are some of my all time favorites 💔

​@@deepsea5348 treasure planet was fucking awesome. Morph was my favorite

Same with "Joseph: King of Dreams".

​@@shademournthepegasi2366 - I love that he was given to Jim in the end.

@@rebeccamichael626 agreed. Morph more than earned it

Cats Don't Dance was another flop sadly. It had a 32 million budget with a 3.5 million box office. It hit me directly in the feels.

Its amazing. I am sad Zvolen that I didnt know about this when I was child but now that I heard about it I watched it and I LOVE it. More people should watch it. It has great story and amazing characters and Eris' hair, her hair is so beautifully animated. Love it 💖💖

​@@tactknightgaming2066shout out to you for being the one other guy who knows wtf Cats Don't Dance is. Probably the greatest musical movie ever imo

Bro cat's don't dance! THAT WAS MY SHIT GROWING UP!@@tactknightgaming2066

The Jews didn’t like it

it’s either that, or Gen Zs

​@@TheSoullessImmortal fax on that bro...

​@@TheSoullessImmortal as someone whos born in in gen Z, i cant be more disappointed in my generation 😔

@@Jorunna_Parva I am too

​@@Jorunna_Parva I'm with you on this one Gen Z and Gen alpha are weird af. Never got their humour or stuff as gen Z myself.

100% i loved that movie. Wish they made another 1. Had so much potential to draw from the stories

​@@Yrokothey were but it got cancelled or delayed

@@malachimcbean9141 still a huge shame. Its like WB own the rights to the cartoon silver hawks and doing nothing with it

it's not even an opinion it's factual!

I would say the treasure planet as well

road to el dorado is so good fr

Treasure island as well!! They don't make movies like they used too! Wonderful stories, great animation, such a shame.😢

@@tiesiai_per_aplinkui yes!!!

YEAH!

100% agreed and I have no clue-

About that it was purposefully made to flop, Disney's CEO was trying to get into 3d as it is cheaper then 2d

It’s not just the box office these are favorites to a lot of people

That's what I'm saying

First off, it totally isn't even in their top ten. You're delusional. Secondly, Disney made it flop.

Anime let me introduce myself

Treasure planet was dope!

I always loved Mowglee, I had and maybe still have somewhere original HVS!

Wolfwalker?

Treasure planet 😢❤

Box office... God their pricks that just criticized something so beautiful ❤️

It came out sometime around Pirates of the Carribbean and that one was just bigger and siphoned the attention away.

I don't understand either that movie was a freaking gems

poor marketing, too much competition at the time of release, and it was right around the time that 3D animated movies were becoming more normalized so people were shifting focus. All of that played a part in why it flopped, along with many other 2D animated movies that came out around the same time

I think it is the weakest out of all the 2D movies that they made

Critics do have some affect on the movie's sales but it's not a Critic says good, we buy Critic says bad, we dont buy Situation The box office flop can be contributed to 1. The change of focus to 3d animation from the masses 2. The costs associated with 2d animation outweighing the benefits 3. Competition in the market around the time of release 4. The movie itself is nice but it is not memorable ie it is not one of those animated films you need to see so people did just that, not see it

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Anime and animated sitcoms like Simpsons,Family Guy,King Of The Hill set good position for 2d mature content But 3D is used in mostly kids movies and it feels off when violent or sexual stuff comes Maybe except for gaming related titles

Its the adult critics😂 they want to enjoy it too

They were far too expensive and there was a sort of trend where these movies would be released along some other big name and be knocked down in the box office. I believe Treasure Planet had to compete with a Harry Potter movie and that's part of why it tanked

@@sparking023 It was released around the same time Chamber of Secrets, Die Another Day (James Bond), and Santa Clause 2 came out. A very bad time to get released, but even without that... Treasure Planet remains the most expensive 2d animated movie still. It's a beautiful movie, but that beauty took a lot of money to make it reality.

That makes sense. Maybe it's the combination of both?

Shrek is love, Shrek is life

lmao shrek was so fricking good.

And what you think made they choise this animation style in first place?

​@amanofnoreputation2164 my dad heard me and called me a f****t

They didn't stop because of the critics. They stopped because the audience didn't show up. It doesn't matter if people say they "love" something If they don't show up and the movie doesn't make any money (or kills a studio).

The difference is in the $$ invested, the greater the amount invested in the budget, the more frames drawn are dedicated to animation, the current 2D animations for TV use a smaller budget and therefore shorter and simpler movements. That's why 2D animations have reduced so much in the West, because 3D is much easier to make and invest in, while the East gave in partially by merging 2D and 3D to make productions cheaper.

The fuck? I was sure that "Princess & frog" was something like 2012-13

LOL

Were there kids crying or sum'?

@@Jonohobs yap, the villain (goddess of chaos, I think) was hypnotizing some random guy in a corridor, and they stopped in that part. It was literally one of the first scenes in the film, and not even the worst with that character lol.

Its made no money it was a flop …but yea an awesome movie

​@mmhmmmyearight7183 it made a 275million opening week, it made money

@@uchihaitachi6849 yea but it cost 110 million to make plus 150 million more to promote it

I was though at the time that Will be a success as with snowwhite, Cinderella,aurora, Ariel and others, but what happen When It was release at the cinemas?

​@@andrearossi6953 Europeans didn't like it bc the whole kissing a frog that's a prince if a European story and they got mad

It didn't flop

​@@blueaddiction6954 ... what?

@@Beer_Wolf I even had stroke reading that, so you're not alone.

Adults don’t hate 2D animations, Big money CEO’s hate 2D animations

@@whitedragoness23 Then you haven't met my familiy expect my brother.

@@meten-saiyanthelombax2970 no I havnt met your family.

@@whitedragoness23 in other words, i mean't that my familiy members and some other relatives dissrespect on 2D animation and like those 3D animated movies just because it looks good, not caring much about the story unless the story is really good. Or like all those dumb Disney remake-live action movies just because they use a lot of CGI.

@@meten-saiyanthelombax2970 I grew up with the Disney renaissance movies. As an adult I went back and realized how good the story was and how much storytelling effort was put into it. Even some of the other movies which weren’t big blockbuster hits still had anywhere from a decent story, to a good story.

Yeah The princess and The Frog sadly just came out too late when 2D animation was starting to die in the US. Had it been thought of a decade earlier it could've been a real hit during the Disney Renaissance

@@sissysovereign1294 For those that don't appreciate animation as an art form, 2D animation is synonymous with children's entertainment, plus is a Princess Film, It says so in the title, and the trailers and marketing emphasized it's romantic and whimsical elements as Disney's triumphant return to classic fairy tales. Most people that aren't animation fans probably thought that is just a movie for little girls and ignored it completely. Tangled avoided all of that not just by being 3D (Which Shrek cemented as the golden standard for animated movies forr all ages) but also by changing it's title from "Rapunzel" (A princess) to "Tangled" which sounds gemder neutral and more dynamic. The trailers heavily emphasized Flint Ryder and Maximus as protagonists of equal footing to Rapunzel and they overly emphasized the comedic aspects while downplaying the romance and classoc fairy tale tropes. All of that made the movie look more like Shrek that anything else, like it's this wacky rapid fire parody of Disney Tropes but in reality is in fact just a classoc Disney Fairytale Princess romance movies played entirely straight.

@@sissysovereign1294It also released near Avatar as well

Same here. I love you for this comment bro .Respect

perhaps it’s time. for 2-D animation to be used as a medium for more adult-centric type stories, since the kiddy market has essentially abandoned it

It wasn't just one. Road to El Dorado flopped. Prince of Egypt did not do well. Why would they give you a 2d renaissance if no one goes to the theater to watch these movies?

People are just monkey see, monkey do. Nobody has their own opinions it's whatever is trending 🤣

@@MrTrash. LMAO FRRR

Generation is just brainwashed to follow trending only , even if it's garbage , and insult the better one , cause it is trend

​@@SantaCometaI already preferred DreamWorks cause Shrek ever since I was little I always wanted a Puss n boots sequel it took 11yrs WORTH IT

FINALLY someone brings this up! Puss in Boots 2 is a 10/10 imo don't get me wrong, but one great movie doesn't define an entire animation studio. Both Disney animation and DreamWorks have amazing as well as disappointing movies, so it's weird to see so many jump on the "Disney bad DreamWorks good" bandwagon just because of one year's worth of movies

Princess and the frog was not a flop, it's just wasn't big enough of a success for disney. It made money for them but the massive success of Tangled and Frozen and the low sales of Winnie the Pooh sealed the deal. Racism had nothing to do with it

@@crestofhonor2349 ummmmm, look at the princesses in tangled AND in frozen. Sales depend on how many little girls wanted and got to see those movies. Think about how many little girls wanted and got to see the princess and the frog. And think about how many parents allowed it Black Woman Talking To Tired For A Filter

@@zandriabeasley9626 yall reaching too hard into this. Treasure planet flopped, and it had white protagonist. Sinbad flopped, and had "white looking" protagonists. You're trying to make it about race when in reality all 2d animation was flopping at the time.

​​@@zandriabeasley9626 Personally, I don't think it was about race. Disney has a very well tested formula for their princesses and Tiana was not their typical princess. That's why teens and adults loved her, but she didn't sell as much to kids as the other two you mentioned (and that's where the big $ lie). ✓Hair & Clothes: Tiana became princess in the very last scene and kids didn't get to see her long in her "princess form". Before that she was a hard working girl, with normal clothes and hair (she didn't get the "Disney's fabulously long hair" thing 😂) and then a frog. ✓Setting: Tiana's story wasn't set in an old fairytale land, it was set in a realistic place. ✓Super powers: I mean magical hair and ice powers?? How can you compete with that when it comes to children? ✓Catchy princess pop song or ballad: "Almost there" didn't really stand out as the main heroine's song (generally, besides "friends on the other side", the film doesn't have very strong memorable songs). That's a big miss for the little ones. That's why she didn't have the same merch success and impact that tangled and frozen had. And that's why kids couldn't become obsessed with her. Moana, who isn't white, ticked all these boxes and was a huge success and a kid's favourite.

anime exists

That’s me with Pocahontas. I literally knew her real story as a kid before I actually watched the movie, and despite its not perfect, it’s still one of my absolute favorite movies ever. It’s really sad that a lot of critics f*cking complained about historical inaccuracies in a Disney movie, and unfortunately that’s manipulated Disney’s decision to make the sequel a bit more accurate to her real story by making her end up with the dude she married in reality. And the funniest but sad part is Disney KNEW Pocahontas ending with John Rolfe instead of John Smith was going to piss of a ton of fans, like they knew a lot of people would absolutely hate the movie. But they decided to anyway just to shut up the critics and very small minority that hated the original and complained about it. I will agree that Pocahontas shouldn’t have been based on a super dark and unfortunately real story, but if they had changed the characters’ names a lot less people wouldn’t have complained because the characters aren’t real or meant to represent real people. But a movie like Hercules has been growing in popularity lately and a lot of people simply ignore how inaccurate it is to the actual mythology, but Pocahontas isn’t treated the same way because she was still a real person.

You still get 2D on TV and from Japanese studios

@@crestofhonor2349 I meant for movies

@@Jackseyez I mean there are still 2D films from warner bros with DC stuff. Plus Klaus came out recently. Other than that we don't get massively marketed, big budget, 2D films from western studios. Japan still also largely does 2D for any animated movies