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My mom explained it beautifully , when the multiverse became popular in comics she stopped reading comics because she would need to read and buy entire series of comics to get the backstory behind every crossover event, and it wasn’t worth it.

The problem isn't the multiverse. It's bad writing.

I think the main reason why so many franchises are trying their hand at multiverse story lines is because of the success of spider verse. Now everyone is trying to copy the style of spider verse without realizing what made it as popular as it is, it's phenomenal storytelling and stylized aesthetic.

I really think invincible season 2 was a victim of unfortunate timing. It’s exactly where the plot was going, and needed to go into the multiverse to continue the story, but it was exactly during the time where everybody else was doing it

The multiverse as a concept can work but it is something that should be used very sparingly, mainly for “what-if?” scenarios or a special crossover event like how early comics used to do before it was overused. Once it becomes the main focus, it’s hard to get invested at that point as it feels like nothing matters in the grand scheme of things.

Rick and Morty addressed one of the main drawbacks of the multiverse in the episode that introduced it. As soon as Morty finds out about it, he says, "Gee, this makes all our adventures seem kinda meaningless, doesn't it?" The show understands that adding multiverses lowers the stakes, but its response is a nihilistic "so what?" The worst series are the ones that have no answer to Morty's question, and just hope you won't ask it.

South Park Into The Panderverse ranting about how lazy the multiverse has become to excuse lazy writing………thank you Matt and Trey for that.

I love how Ben 10 Omniverse did its multiverse. Each Ben from their own dimension has their own Omnitrix, Alien Forms, Names, Backstories. And it was the big focus for like 5 separate episodes. In and out fun dimension adventures.

Ironically, there's a universe where the Multiverse trend never happened... Anyone wants to go there?

I think the South Park Panderverse made it abundantly clear as to what’s wrong with most of these Multiverse Stories. They’re just being Lazy by trying to substitute writing down a new characters and narratives by instead hijacking already existing stories or just making palette swaps

i love how superhero movies fan just discorvered the whole multiverse thing and it's super confusing to them while in comics it's been this way since years and like 10 times more complicated

My problem with the multiverse, especially in superhero films, is how safe they are utilized. Like you mean to tell me, in a multuverse of infinite possibilities, you guys choose to only include worlds where things are just slightly different? Damn, the creativity, the genius. Also they seem to include the multiverse not because they have a really good story to tell about it, but just so they can shoe horn in manufactured nostalgia. Unlike in Spiderverse where we see a vast array of Spider People, in No Way Home and No Way Home we only see the stuff that wete done before and brought back for nostalgia. Like no fucking shot all of No Way Home's villains kust happened to be from the Toby and Andrew movies. Like at least have 1 or 2 villains that are from a unique property. Or that in the Flash we get the Man of Steel Zod with the OG Burton Batman where it made no sense how that happened.

Watching people going insane over multiverses and me being a comic fan is just like: first time?

Honestly I'm just sorta tired of protecting the multiverse being the story of these movies. It often just becomes about showing off gimmicky variations of characters than just having a whole story about those variations. I'm not tired of different universe versions of characters, I'm tired of the formula.

Steel Ball Run probably had the best implementation of the multiverse I've seen.

Is it just me or is multiverse only a problem in a corporate sense?

I think the Spider-Verse films showcases an example of how to properly interrogate the multiverse like you can have it there, but don't use it too much that it sidelines it's narratives and characters. Also, Fionna and Cake is also a perfect examples of this too

I think the Henry Stickmin games did a pretty good job with the concept, as there's a finite amount of universes/timelines based on the outcomes of the choices that Henry made. Shame to see most other franchises fumble the bag hard since I think the concept itself could lead to some great alternative scenarios and different character development.

I genuinely think the best medium for the multiverse is animation, but the live action ordeal is souring things as a whole. I think video games could handle it amazingly too, but I think we have yet to see that happen. Yet.

Timestamps: 5:54 Rick & Morty 7:09 Spiderverse 8:42 The MCU (after Endgame) 12:22 The Flash 16:12 Sonic Prime (Now it´s getting interesting) 17:17 Adventure Time: Fionna and Cake

So if I understand correctly: the multiverse is better as a part of the plot rather than as some “deus ex machina” type plot device On one hand: it could give us possible new stories and and characters But on the other: it could be used as a sort of plot device (yes I know I said that twice)

One of my favorite things making fun of the multiverse concept is in the Panderverse episode of South Park when Randy is falling through the multiverse “tunnel” thing and he is just Randy but his outfit just keeps changing over and over. It’s such a spot on way to dunk on the lack of creativity in most multiverse stories. Like in Multiverse of Madness, a movie with multiverse in the damn title, the extent of the multiverse shenanigans is a 20 second montage of Dr. Strange and America Chavez falling through a bunch of wacky looking dimensions before landing in one where pizza is balls and red and green lights are swapped but everything else seems fundamentally the same. Like.. really Marvel? You Got Sam Raimi back to direct your movie and that’s the extent of your creativity? Woof

I feel like the "Cracks in the Multiverse" became the new "Blue Sky Beam"

I watched the Flash with my mom, and it felt so empty and convoluted we both just fell asleep from lack of interest. And the flash is one of my favorite characters in comics

I managed to view Loki as a stand-alone thing which I honestly think did it REALLY well.

Sonic Prime feels like one person really loves the Sonic series, then they were told "You know that amazing nearly infinite story you pitched? Well, we have budget for like 8 characters so we're just going to make 5 outfits per character. Also, you can be on board with this limited project or we can find someone else."

I think a really great multiverse story that’s often overlooked has to be Phineas and Ferb: Across the Second Dimension. Not only does it include fun interactions between different counterparts of characters, but it also develops the characters in ways that haven’t been done in the show before but make sense in the storyline. Phineas is pushed to a limit that hasn’t been explored before, and we see growth for both Perry and Doof. The best part is you don’t need to watch the entire serve first to simply enjoy it. Like Spiderverse, or even Fiona and Cake, all you really need to go into it are the basic concepts of what the og show is about. Tangent aside, THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO. Marvel’s multiverse jazz has really been mid and draining and it’s interesting to see your take on everything. Huge agree on Fiona and Cake being one of the best ways to pull off a multiverse story.

MY MAIN ISSUE with Multiverse Stories is how often they depict Alternate Universes more like different planets than AN ALTERNATIVE UNIVERSE(It even gets worse when the characters can easily travel through them like its an easy task) Facing a Doppelganger should be always very IMPACTFUL because They's not a stranger, Is basically what Your life could have been if you pic a different choice, but most of the times gets depicted as just meeting a different person instead of watching yourself making different decisions

Honestly Spider-Verse did the whole multiverse thing correctly cause it has a story,Miles' story,and the multiverse aspect elevated his story. "Anyone can wear the mask" let it be an exhausted Peter Parker,the usually love interest Gwen Stacy or even a damn cartoon pig. That spider could've bitten anyone,and it bit Miles,he too is Spider-Man On top of the fact that Spider-Verse does honestly really awesome things with the concept. It isn't just minor changes or "oh this universe go this bunch of cameos",each universe has different aesthetics and the movie takes full advantage of being an animated piece It sparks creativity and Miles' story on its own is really good

It's insane that both Marvel and DC have dozens of established alternate Universes they could explore, yet the only place we've seen them are in animated properties like What If.

For me personally the multiverse as a concept never really peaked my interest that much. Even in the comics like marvel or DC it kinda felt oversaturated and convoluted to me. Now it seems like every franchise is doing the multiverse concept. The only time I feel like the multiverse concept was used effectively was with the spiderverse films, everything everywhere all at once, PnF into the second dimension, and invincible. Hell even certain Godzilla comics handle the concept a little better imo.

I saw a good comparison between the Rick and Morty and dceu multiverse concept, and spider verse and everything everywhere’s version of the multiverse. It’s touted in the former as “look at how much BETTER your life is in all these other multiverses”, while in spider verse and everything everywhere they posit a better message of “look how many *versions* of you there are” Which is a bigger difference than people think

its sad that people are disregarding EEAAO for having multiverse storytelling, despite it being my favorite film of all time!

The only movie where I absolutely love the use of the multi-verse besides things like Spider-verse, is Everything Everywhere All At Once. It's use of it is so unique and it's just an incredible movie.

Quick rant on Sonic Prime's take on the multiverse that wasn't mentioned: Sonic has had so many different interpretations over the years (The DiC cartoons, the Riders & Storybook series, Sonic X & Sonic Boom) that would lend itself greatly to a series about Sonic traveling to different universes of his world. ...How did we get stuck with the most basic universe ideas with the most cookie-cutter worlds & characters?

I swear to God, if they ruined The avengers, king, dynasty, and secret wars, I’ll be so unhappy

Everything and Everywhere all at Once is a great example of an Multiverse Story done Right because it's not the Main story that is the relationship between Evelyn and her daughter Jobu and a plus it's adds layers to the concept of the Multiverse questions like does you life choices have weight because it alrighty happened or what would be the point of anything that were buddhist concept of Life i think it was that Without Suffering there is no life and life can't existed without pain it's a cycle that were life in but if we can life with the pain move forward not look to the past for Comfort. ❤

This kinda reminds me of the case where portraying a panic attack was trendy for some time because Puss in boots the last wish did it so effectively so everyone wanted to hop on the train.

my biggest issue of Sonic Prime (a show that i enjoy but feel very mixed on) is the VERY limited potential of the multiverse, they could've went all out beyond the Pirate, Cave, New Yok dimensions but nope thats literally all we are going to get for the 24 episode cartoon, i know that Sonic having to constantly get the trust of Same exact people but from the different world can be tiresome but the idea of having to go back to those exact dimensions and still have some conflicting problems just to pad out the runtime and episode or two is just...sigh, i dont know.

Everytime I hear the Sam & Max office theme in your videos my brain goes all “WHEEEE YIPPEE!!!”

In Japanese hero stories like Ultraman, Rider, and Sentai, they always use the multiverse concept tastefully and while they have their faults at times, they don't ever oversaturate or beat in the fact that it's another universe and there's this massive multiverse, they're pretty chill about it and I appreciate that

The main problem with multiverse story’s is that the changes between worlds is surface level like “oh this guy bad now” or “green means stop and red mean go”. Imagine a universe where gravity was very weak and species developed having sticky feet so they don’t float away and our main charters have a hard time getting around cause it’s like walking on the moon. Imagine a world we’re the sun radiates magic energy so the main character’s can’t use their magic at night and so they could get ambushed during the night or somthing. So many cool ideas can be made for this kind of story but in the multiverse of madness we get 3 New Yorks.

2:55 this clip: *exists* Me: *laughs in Turtles Forever*

I feel like its the same with alot of time-travel and future-seeing stuff...I just always end up going: "Well if person A can just do X, why didnt he just do XY to stop event Z from happening?"

My Adventures with Superman had the best of the multiverse in my opinion. I like how they subverted expectations by treating a multiverse plot like a regular plot instead of making it a big crossover finale. That's the big problem with multiverse stories these days everyone wants to make them these big epic storyline and that causes a lot of plots to feel repetitive. A good story doesn't need a big scale it just needs things like personal steaks, a good use of a idea(s), and characters an audience can cheer for.

Multiverse as a concept has existed for decades with DC comics being the biggest example at the time. However, I think it really caught with the mainstream after Rick & Morty and especially Spiderverse. I think the concept can be done interestingly, but I feel like it can suck when it's either introduced too soon like with MAWS, underutilized like with Sonic Prime, or just downright confusing/insulting like with a lot of the MCU or the Flash film.

I can't be more thankful that I've read through Invincible before Season 2 came out, I worry that I would've been one of the people that avoided watching it from the multiverse plotline alone. In the comic the multiverse was used to highlight how unique main timeline Mark was, as shown by the many refugee Angstrom Levys it seems that in a majority of the multiverses Mark ends up joining his father in conquering earth, so the fact main Mark chose to fight him is highlighted. Hoping the tv show adapts this plot and the development going forward well

I think what shocked me the most was that you didn't like Loki. Most people, both Marvel-fan or not, agree that Loki was incredible, especially season 2

When everything is possible, nothing truly is.

Thank you for sharing what an amazing multiverse story Fionna and Cake was.

a friend of mine and I keep calling The Flash, "The Flush" and I also call it "Flashpoint at home" (in other words, watch The Flashpoint Paradox, it's an infinitely better movie)

I love how the CW show was better at writing the multiverse than the dumpster fire that was the Flash.

11:19 Honestly surprized they didn't revise these scenes for home viewing. Of course they had the pause for applause in theatres, I tore my shirt off, howling and banged my chest like everyone else when Tobey Maguire waddled through the portal like he stumbled onto the set by mistake while out for coffee. I want to see more of him as spider-man, I just hope he has his groove back a bit more by his next outing he was really the very best spider-man.

Everything Everywhere All At Once is my favorite piece of multiverse media simply because instead of using the multiverse plot device to just expand its scope and give itself an inflated sense of scale, it used it to tell a deeply personal and intimate story about a small group of character developing in equally deeply meaningful ways.

Shrek Forever After back in 2010 did an alternate universe story better than recent films. Freaking Shrek did it better! 🤣 That’s an achievement to be recognized!

It’s funny about the comment on sonic in the multiverse, because sonic has been using the multiverse since the original comics. And while it was also used for similar reasons of what if, and spectacles. Characters like scourge going beyond just an evil counterpart, and genuinely challenging sonic and scourge perspective on themselves was interesting.

everyone talking about "the multiverse problem" and then being sponsored by opera gx on KZfaq is starting to feel like it's own little multiverse subplot

Anyway, go read The Dark Tower.

The multiverse is like making a small story into something like One Piece in terms of content you need to read/watch to keep it up.

I really liked how justice league crisis on two earths handled the multiverse cause the movie is showing why Batman and owl man have contrasting personalities but damn WB really sucks now and the flash is one of the worst multiverse stories ever

New cartoonshi video, pog

Multiverse of Midness.

Honestly… for how much shit Disney has been pumping out for the past few years… nothing is as bad as The Flash. The Flash is just… just… terrible. Alarmingly terrible.

Ghostbusters Afterlife EARNED That Harold Ramis chameo, i dont care, it was set up the whole movie and it payed off beautifully, i cried in the theatre when all 4 of the original stood together, it felt so earned, it had a whole movie to back it up, it was a beautiful omage, i refuse to believe it was an "audience cheer" moment like the Superman one.

TL;DR for this video: iteration marred by ignorance is inevitable

My literal first introduction to the multiverse was with undertale and honestly i really like how the fandom really built on to it and got creative with it (ohters more than some) i truly loved all the AUs people came up with tho

as a creator, i wanna AVOID at all costs the exessive use of multiverses, on my current game im working, there's a multiverse, but inside the game it'll NEVER ever explored, just mentioned. and neither i'll do the "the same character but from another universe" coz, at least for me, it is the same thing but slightly different.

I actually really like the jungle dimension in Sonic Prime. There's a clear effort on the part of writer's to invert the series environmentalist message. Instead of a mad scientist who's trying to pollute and roboticize nature, the antagonist is a crazy nature lover who takes it too far and starts tipping the balance to the other extreme. And the way Sonic helps and reaches out to this character in a way that feels fitting for both his and Amy's characters is so cool to me, and evokes great scenes from other Sonic games, like the ending Black Knight. Its not the most amazing thing ever but I appreciate the writers for having an actual understanding of the core ideas of the series.

Fiona and Cake and Spider verse are my two favorite multiverse stories.

I want to give real praise that I don't mean as condescending in any way: thank you so much for toning it down with the memes and the quick cuts on this one. I've watched a lot of your videos and while I do enjoy your criticism, I do tend to get exhausted when I'm seeing memes or blind-and-you-miss-it messages every 10-15 seconds. I found this one WAY easier to enjoy because the pacing was noticeably slower and easygoing. Just wanted to throw in my two cents on that, keep on keeping on.

I’m in a private fan-server focusing on a specific show. When it was first formed, myself and many others in it were all collaborating to develop a fanon universe based on our speculations of what could happen next in the story after the end of the most recent installment. Two of our lead developers had very different ideas about where to take a prominent character, and we decided to introduce a multiverse so both of their concepts could be explored. Since then, many members have developed our own alternate-fanon-universes of said show, often springing from us having differing interpretations of the characters or of the events of an episode, if not from basic “what if this was different” questions. Most of our “crossovers” happen through roleplay, which in-story takes the form of an interuniversal chatroom. It’s been going on long enough that it isn’t unexpected for characters of one universe to have prominent influence in a course-altering arc of a different universe. On top of all that, we conceived an over-arching villain that can function as a background threat to the multiverse as a whole, and we do want to eventually write a final confrontation that can be shared outside the server. To this end, I’ve been trying to figure out how to avoid the trap that Marvel fell into with its later projects, as far as “required viewing” for the sake of convincing audiences why they should care about any of these characters, as well as making sure that all characters featured have a way to serve the narrative and aren’t just in it for a participation trophy or popularity points. And from what I’ve seen, I think a lot of it comes down to knowing what needs to be established to the audience about each character in order for their part in the crossover to make sense…and frankly, your audience shouldn’t need to know everything about a character’s individual story in order for their role in a collaborative piece to make sense. We shouldn’t expect audiences to know who everyone in a multiverse crossover is or how they each got here, no matter how much that greater context might inform a character’s actions within the crossover; if the audience does know, it might prompt a deeper understanding of that individual character within the bounds of the crossover, but if the character’s presence can’t speak for itself without that deeper understanding then the story falls flat. This is especially true when there’s no telling which characters are new to the audience and which aren’t. From that perspective, I believe each character needs to be treated as if the crossover is the first story they’re appearing in. Audiences should be able to get to know them the same way they get to know the cast of any new story: with the instinctual awareness that these characters didn’t spring into existence out of thin air, but that anything we need to know about them will be shared when the progression of the narrative deems it relevant or necessary. After all, if many of the characters themselves won’t have those details the moment someone new is integrated, then why should the audience need to know in advance? Let the characters be discovered through the story that’s being told with them NOW.

If they already show multiple Sonic universes why on earth they don´t show us the Sonic Underground. I´ve been waiting for more than 20 years that this hedgehog find his mother.

multiverse make having stakes meaningless. oh, Batman dies in 616, but there's the multiverse, there's an infinite world where Batman is still alive and kicking. how am I supposed to feel anything if even death means nothing?

I believe that the George reeve cameo is way worse than the Christopher reeves one. Chris loved being Superman. George hated it because he said it ruined his career

Man I love when Cartoonshi is featured in a Cartoonshi video

I feel like multiverse stories should be self contained and short, but not intertwined with the main story of any given media, be it heroes, fantasy with magical types of settings, or even something super futuristic. It's more messy because super hero stuff already overlaps with all of that as is. Making most of your stories be these grand, multiversal plots with massive character counts that are literally just different versions of the same character coming together feels washed because it always makes me think "Man, why does it have to be a different version of this character and not someone new and cool?". It's like, you want to write someone with the same abilities. Ok. They don't have to literally be the same character, but different universe. It only works for something like "What if this character made this decision instead" types of things or alternate events. You know, self contained stuff. It gets really bad when it leads to these characters becoming unimaginably strong. That's why I can't really get into stuff like Spiderverse or infinite Earths, etc. I never could. It felt like wasting plots and characters. Just so boring. Many people say "generic" as designs for simple characters, which is wrong, but when you have a multiverse plot with so many characters that are the same one, yeah, they all look generic. I can't tell who is who and yeah.

I do like this trope, because when it's done well it can be really good, and even thought provoking, but now it's just become a big red reboot button for studios who care more about trying to keep their brands fresh than the actual end result.

I understand and love all the multiverse stories. It’s a battle for what ‘truth’ is in a character’s reality. Without a definitive truth, your reality is subject to change or destruction. A destroyed reality is the end of the world. ✌️😊

At the point, make a simple plot about multiverses being threaten with an interesting taste to it. Really.

I think everyone forgot that Sonic Rush was a good multiverse story

Has the multiverse milk money run dry?

Before the pandemic I started a writing a series involving characters from alternate universes and timelines crossing over and at this point, despite having a lot of ideas I genuinely think are good, I don't even know if I want to continue with it. The concept has already been milked to hell while I was writing my stories, and I don't want to spend years working on a comic based around something everyone has grown sick of during production.

someone finally said it!!!! thank you!!!

A problem with Multiverse stories is that it falls into a similar category as political correctness. In that it get used as a substitute for good writing. There are a lot of things that get used for that. Might be a good idea for a video.

I like how Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure: Steel Ball Run handles the multiverse.

Rick and Morty handles the concept so well that I don’t even think of it as a multiverse show

Shout out for Dry Lagoon In the background...i love that track

Multiverse used to be a fun concept when the heroes travel through different and fighting and evil version of themselves and etc, but now its becoming a lazy gimmick. Everytime when something bad happens in comics or superhero movies, they used the multiverse excuse to retcon or get out of trouble instead of build story around it to fix it. Plus, it's getting really tiresome that now EVERYBODY is doing the multiverse storyline, and at this point people are sick and tired of this cliche. It's so ridiculous even South Park call this out.

In another universe Cartoonshi is calling The Flash a masterpiece, and Into the spider-verse overrated and pandering... But they'll all still hate the loud house! Crises averted!

At least Ghostbusters: Afterlife used Harold Ramis' likeness positively and it actually had an impact in the story since alot of it involves Egon Spengler, who died trying to stop an incoming apocalypse. He's the ancestor of the main character and his appearance affects the main character and caps off his story in a good way.

My first instances of learning about stuff like Multiverses in media was Phineas and Ferb The Movie (2011) and Ben 10 Omniverse with the episode Store 23, both of which I think utilized the concept pretty well cuz in both instances they focused on being character driven, with the Phineas and Ferb movie focusing on the relationship between Phineas and Ferb and Perry and with Store 23 being an insight into Ben's character and how he probably would have ended up without his grandpa's guidance.

Thany you so much I hate Multiverse storylines. SOUTH PARK WAS RIGHT.

The multiverse is probably the only reason I’m not into comics. I’m not about to spend my money on 63 different series then spend 5 hours figuring out where they stand in the verse for it to get reset a few months later and for it to not matter anymore

-Stakes are too high that you can't even understand them fully -Everything can be potentially undone since there are countless versions of the same people

Sonic Prime has a lot of missed opportunities. For example, Rebel and Renegade have one of if not the last tree as the centerpiece of their base taking inspiration and hope from it. How would they react to seeing a world dominated by one massive forest? And Dread comes from a world covered in a massive ocean yet he doesn't have much of a reaction to being in New Yolk when logically the idea of large buildings let alone a whole city of them should be alien to him. Then speaking of the ocean world we never have a scene where Sonic has to explain to them that he can't swim and they react with bewilderment because for someone living in a world covered in water, the idea of a healthy person who can't swim would be baffling. And I could go on with other ways the ideas are squandered.

In another reality you're defending modern multiverses.

The flash is the only movie that left me asleep with my eyes open Shit gave me actual brain worms

My problem with the multiverse is how it’s used, spider-verse and everything everywhere at once is how you do it, the flash is not. Use it for your story, not for cameos and money

at 7:02 what was the events surrounding rick and morty at the time??