Someone needs to create a sincere and fact-based movie about this fantastic woman.

Excellent work, Mark Shaw, for uncovering Dorothy Kilgallen's story. She deserves the insightful and careful probing that she gave to others.

Mark Shaw is one of the most diligent and straightforward blokes working in this sort of area. His work deserves more exposure.

The government OWES the people of this country the truth no matter how ugly it is. I have been behind you Mark for a very long time . Keep plugging away sir 👍

I've always hated Frank Sinatra, and every time I learn something new about him, it only reinforces that my opinion of him as a douchebag and bully is correct.

Excellent interview. My mother always asserted that Dorothy was murdered.

How could a lady this clever and known be so forgotten.?.

Dorthy Kilgallen was a well respected reporter and journalist. She was onto something that made certain “factions” in this country very nervous.

She was an idol of mine growing up. Reruns on all night classic tv and film. She was an incredibly intelligent women who let her love...maybe?, crush or simple friendship with JFK (and her drive) blind her to the fact that the ultimate evil was going to happen to her. She was in the heat of battle and caught up in the momentum, the thrill of being the women who broke the story of the ages. I would love to have tea with her.

Just bought it in UK and hoping to read it soon....Mark is a real life Sherlock !!!

Very interesting!! She really was quite a gal!!! Im really interested in reading these books now.

I remember seeing Ms. Kilgalon on TV when I was a kid. She was sharp.

I am in the process of writing a play about her now.

INTEGRITY…this a principle that has been lost at so many levels over the years in every profession. What has happened to our great country? It saddens me to no end. Excellent job Mr Shaw, you’ve brought much needed attention the mystery of what happened to Ms. Kilgallen. Something must be done in resolving her murder. I look forward to reading your book.

What a great interview. I am just learning about Dorothy . Amazing Lady

I did not read the book but after several videos I started wondering about the night of Kilgallen´s death. Bringing her back home of course would put anyonelse accompanying her under the threat of meeting the butler, or her husband or other people at her home, and having to explain about her state. Therefore if she were already incapacitated due to the drugs they would not bring her home. Unless they knew they would have help from inside the house! This immediately puts her husband as part of the plot, which makes sense since he might give them directions on which room to use to leave her body, and he would leave some cloths there for the set up. He would also give orders to the butler to stay clear from the house that evening. Otherwise, if indeed she had already reached some comatose state and the husband was not involved, one gets amazed with the coldness ( and recklessness) of a man carrying an almost dead woman in his arms in a completely unknown house, looking for the best room to lay her dying body and to fake some scene, and running the risk of being caught at any time. Common sense indicates someone in the house was part of the plot.

Watched her every Sunday night on What’s My Line? She was the brightest of the bunch which is saying a lot. She had the goods on the JFK assassination and the Mafia/CIA shut her up permanently. A tragedy

Most fascinating. Thank you for sharing!

I have known of her before KZfaq... Finally she gets some exposure...

marilyn denied justice in 1962- aug 4-5. hurt her reputation 4ever.

Thank you Erik, I enjoy all your podcasts!!

DOROTHY WAS AN AWESOME. .... KIND ....SMART WOMAN. LOVED WML.... R.I.P. DOROTHY R.I.P. FOREVER MISSED 😢🙏 FOREVER LOVED ❤️

I would love to see a documentary about her.

Mae Brussels researched this as well. She, along with Dorothy, didn’t believe the warren commission either. Her research is IMPECCABLE. Can find her on KZfaq.

👏👏 wonderful narration

I am so sad I never even heard of her until listening to this. Since I’ve been obsessed with his website, watching interviews and learning more. I hope her will was changed, saw her son Kerry was disowned and put into foster care which is disgusting! Ugh, a man that would do that I don’t put anything past him!

She has affected me as well. I saw her on an old episode of What's My Line and thought she had a lovely face. I looked up who she was and since then have been reading everything I can about her. There was something very special in her persona and nature I believe.

Seems like this is the real deal. I wonder who is afraid until this day.

Dorothy’s story should be pushed into the spotlight by some type of Netflix miniseries. The People vs OJ Simpson comes to mind, with the title role played by Sarah Paulson. It introduced a whole new group of people to the case and to Marcia Clark! Actually, Sarah would make an amazing Dorothy

Dorothy K: the epitome of class, grace, a good inquisitive mind, a great memory, kind to the guests on the game show, and kind of indefatigable. RIP. Pain upon the perps involved if so. Sinatra: good singer but no class. No gentleman. No wonder he got punched out.

Mark Shaw's book is Fantastic!

with all respect, just because someone dies from a "drug overdose" does not they were abusing drugs. many accidental deaths related to non-illegal drugs-i.e prescription drugs, are due to multiple compounds mixings with fatal side effects. one does not have to "abuse" barbiturates for it to have a toxic combination with alcohol. or even abuse alcohol for that matter-it depends on dosage and the body's process in digesting said chemicals. I'm not saying there wasn't anything shady going on, but to represent that all accidental overdoses are due to people chugging a bottle of Xanax in one hand and a bottle of vodka in the other is just false. good people die every day because they do not realize the potential severity of side effects involved or the half life of a substance in your own, personal system.

Unfortunately for the rich, the famous and the celebrity, justice can be just as elusive as for the poor. I read this book and my mind was boggled by all the clues yet nothing was done. Perhaps she did know too much, but she told too many people and that sealed her fate.

I agree. Her story needs to be told. She is a piece of the puzzle of what really happened in this Kennedy mess. Its a shame that these women who actually does there job, is dying for it. Its time to give these women the attention they deserve.

Twelve reasons Dorothy Kilgallen was not murdered: (A) Jack Ruby could have come forward and revealed anything he wanted during his public trial. (B) Dorothy Kilgallen had just one talk with him, and it was part of what was going to be just one chapter of a much larger book about other criminal cases she had covered which she wasn't planning on publishing for months, hardly an urgent expose. (C) She didn't die until twenty months after talking to Ruby. (D) Her trademark boasting aside, she never spilled any secrets about any plot she had uncovered in any of her regular news columns. (E) If she possessed any info she felt might be at all dangerous to her, she never displayed any sign of it, still happily appearing on her regular gig on What's My Line. (F) What exactly, could that fruitcake have possibly told her that would make it necessary to "eliminate" her? (G) Neither Ruby or his attorneys were ever murdered themselves. (H) Kilgallen was hardly less high-profile a person than JFK himself. Bumping her off would attract headlines, publicity and scrutiny, the last things a conspiracy would want. (I) In order to cover up her death, this sinister hit squad would have to safely approach, without fear of exposure or arrest, and successfully recruit the right people - and only the right people - on the New York Police Department to falsify evidence and become accessories to the murder of a woman with a husband and children. No cop has ever cracked, confessed, been fingered by any cohort or been discovered and prosecuted in this case for 57 years. (J) The idea of goons sneaking into her home while her family was there and forcing pills down her throat, committing another murder requiring its own, separate cover-up, is laughable. (K) The HSCA also looked at her death and found no sign of foul play. (L) Strangely, this gang of villains that had to "silence" her never got around to killing any witness in or near the limo, the motorcade, the plaza, the knoll, the TSBD, at Tippit's killing scene, the theater, on the medical staffs of Parkland or Bethesda Hospital, any of Oswald's family, Jim Garrison or any of his stooges,or any of those crackpot conspiracy authors who spent years and years crowing loud and long about how they were going to blow the case wide open....

Mark Shaw is a terrific writer and person. Lucille Ball was on "What's my Line" a couple of times. Imagine the rest of the panelists the host and everyone else involved. Right in front of them they had to the biggest icons in America. Lucille Ball in entertainment and Dorothy Kilgallen in reporting. Lucy was the biggest star we ever had here and as Ernest Hemingway said, Dorothy was the best reporter we had at the time. I think still today over 50 years after her murder.

Fascinating

Real investigation reporter Today we have just liars

All her notes and files 'disappeared ' suddenly. The government is so full of sh×t

Very good listening

excellent

I did not know she died in ‘65! I just knew of her from watching a ton of “What’s My Line”.

Belli's co counsel in Jack Ruby's trial was a prominent attorney from Jasper, Texas, near where my family is from. I was actually born there, many years ago haha, but never lived there. The attorney's name was Joe Tonahill, he passed away several years ago. LBJ had many wealthy powerful friends in Jasper. I've always thought it quite a 'coincidence' that Tonahill, a small town lawyer, was one of Ruby's attorneys.......?

Ruby was ordered by the mob to silence Oswald. If he didn't they would kill him anyway.

Among the most if not the most pressing question relative to this story. What did Jack Ruby tell her. What was in those notes confiscated. We are pretty clear that she was murdered. But. Over what. What did Jack Ruby tell her. She was smart enough to hedge her bets. And make sure the information got out. She was concerned with what she was doing. Someone knew what Jack Ruby told her.

I remember her on Ed Murrow's show Person to Person.

thanks for this. can’t believe i’ve never heard of her! and i’m an avid true crime and jfk reader

You gotta love the Keystone Kops music.

Trump was supposed to release the missing jfk files but even HE wasn’t crazy enough to try that..

Mark Shaw would attend the opening of an envelope.

Great podcast! I’m wondering if her hairdresser/friend Mark Sinclair is still alive? He seemed to really care for her.

I am amazed her WML colleagues did nothing to find anything out !!!

I desperately want Mark Shaw's books on Dorothy, but I'm too broke to buy them.

What is that piano music intro ????? Love it

The idea that Sinatra is a "suspect" is beyond preposterous.

28:35 through 28:48... Think about that. That she was the only voice of opposition to The Warren Report and/or the "official" version of related events. Hell of a slap in the face to Mark Lane, Penn Jones jr., and other greats that were in the mix before Mrs. Kilgallen showed up on the scene and were still there decades after her passing. She deserves all her accolades, but one must be real careful with the facts.

Hover was blackmail-able - in the extremeis One phone call and his career as the world's G-man would be over ...In those days, he would go from G-man to She-man...and a laughing stock...

Oh no! Not Mark Shaw again. This guy has turned Dorothy Kilgallen into a cottage industry for himself and written multiple, repetitious books that are filled with mistakes. First of all, much of the research he claims credit for is DERIVATIVE of Sara Jordan-Heintz, who wrote the epic magazine article called "Who Killed Dorothy Kilgallen?" in 2007. Mr. Shaw contacted Sara and me (I'm her father) in 2014 and asked for our help. We gave him tons of information and made crucial introductions. We are listed in the credits and I am personally quoted. That was in his first book. But as time went on, Mr. Shaw started telling people HE discovered this, HE discovered that. He even claimed his "research assistant" came up with certain items, then proceeded to quote word for word from the 1979 Lee Israel book without giving her proper credit! If Most Notorious wants to know the REAL facts about Dorothy Kilgallen/JFK, you should interview Sara, who is the author of a hot new 414 page book, "The Incredible Life & Mysterious Death of Dorothy Kilgallen," available worldwide in both a print and ebook format. We have grown so tired of seeing Mark Shaw's misstatements and distortions that Sara decided to do her own book. She is an award-winning writer whose work has appeared nationally via the Associated Press and USA Today, plus numerous niche magazines. I personally developed a relationship with the man who was the (unofficial) suspect in DK's death and taped various conversations with him in which he revealed his connection to U.S. intel near the end of his life. This helped Sara discover the "smoking gun" of the case. She also has far more up-to-date information on the Kennedy assassination from declassified files that the national media have ignored. And she delves deeply into Dorothy's pursuit of the truth, quoting from about 139 articles Kilgallen wrote. Marlin Swing, a CBS executive who was close to Dorothy, even called me up and praised Sara's initial article and provided more details which are now in her book. Keep in mind: Dorothy Kilgallen was a Pulitzer Prize-nominated hard news reporter (and columnist) for the vast newspaper chain. Sara Jordan-Heintz is a working journalist in the tradition of Dorothy. Mark Shaw is a lawyer who has put in writing he feels Dorothy is personally guiding him. (How is he communicating with Kilgallen? Via seance?) He even put this in a court filing. He grandstands and sends letters to entities like District Attorneys, all of whom have rejected his claims.

Carlos is said to have told an associate if you want to kill a dog you don't cut off his tail you cut off its head

Born in 1960, I have vague memories of watching “What’s My Line” with my Mother while Father was working the night shift. I remember Arlene Francis more than Dorothy Kilgallen though no fault of her own. Fast forward to the 2010’s when I discovered a KZfaq video which covered her mysterious death (something I was unaware of).

she was killed by forces who didnt want to be known

lots of people don't realize that the Zapruder film wasn't seen for over a yr. by anybody but the c.i.a. , the only real thing to see in that after they got thru editing was the head shot , the rest of the tape was skillfully cut to enhance their narrative .kilgallen was a very insightful person who could generally get to the heart of the matter fairly quickly .

If you have integrity nothing else matters, if you don't have integrity, nothing else matters! Dorthey k

Your intro is long.

Thank you Erik and Mark for a interesting interview..The lady sounded to be a trailblazer..Who knows what happened and for why.We can only guess..Though Mark certainly gives a very good case..I will try to get the book. May Dorothy Rest In Peace..

After her tragic death,I wondered if her third child kerry had any type of relationship with his real father,johnnie ray?

Stay safe Mark Shaw.

Did Oliver Stone gloss over or omit Dorothy's part in this story in his film *JFK* ???

Oprah was not even close to Dorothy.

45 seconds useless music at the beginning

Fascinating. But 2 different types of bullets were found after Kennedys murder. One was of a type that explodes , to cause more damage, rather than remaining intact. At that time, that type of bullet was only issued to & used by his own protection officers. And the trajectory matches an accidental shot from the protection officer in the car behind who didn't normally do protection. He was a driver sually, but was covering for a hungover officer . He grabbed a gun from the floor of his car & shot accidentally at the Kennedy car. The protection team quietly stopped using those bullets in the months after. Also other cars in the parade smelt gunpowder at ground level ( the smell wouldn't drift down from the window where the shooter was & his shot hit Kennedys neck not his head).

Ron Pataki? Any relation to Governor George Pataki?

Sounds like you cou!d make a movie,just as you presented. So maybe that's exactly what you should do ,with a royalty percentage to Dorothy's children.and as a memorial and legacy on the woman ,journalist,icon you have described. And leave it that.Just an idea,I can see Mark Shaw has greatly investigated this mystery,so I hope you do the movie.

Nobody views zapruder film as a 26 sec trailer ._.

She def was the woman that knew too much.

A number of people who have died in bed have been found to have quantities of alcohol and barbiturates in their system-which can be a deadly combination.

"Barbituates?" Sounds nucular to me.

I love Dorothy, but why did she have a big mouth. So did Marilyn and look where it got her!

Dislike Mark's use of "College dropout". True, college didn't agree with her, but it sounds derogatory.

the pills killer ! she said NO to frank sinatra ! njoylife

Bullshit.

I've always found a weak chin attractive in a woman

I have never heard more ridiculous allegations based on such slim evidence. This was a dark day for this podcast.

The babushka lady was Dorothy ._. Dorothy was at the Os assassination and knew Oz killed Kennedy and not Os._. Ruby killed wrong Os and Dorothy knew this._. Dorothy didn't recognise Os , she recognised Oz._. The woman who saw everything held a camera , was the reporter who knew everything about Oz._. Not Os._. In the end , Dorothy dies._.

I appreciate his work but he lives in San Francisco so I question his morality.

Out of all the theorys , not one Disney associated Os/Oz enigma._. Except me . A story so outlandish , it has to be true._. Kennedy assassination inspired by a Disney Os/Oz enigma._. Here the irony ._. The person who solved the Kennedy assassination won't write the book._. i won't write a book about explaining how to solve the Kennedy assassination._. Do you know why ??? I love the society of lies._. Why spoil it ? ._. Its so entertaining._. I bet nobody solved the Disney baum scare ._. They cooperated on a Cinderella type story ._. Heres a clue , " a piece of clothing was found by the stairs . All they had to go on was the slip on tie"._. Cinderella had a slip on shoe ,._. Our fleer had a slip on tie._.

This Shaw guy is guessing, he has a book to sell, his theories are so wide of the mark, don't be fooled.