The mysterious death of Eldon Clawson. Revisiting Bernadine’s groundbreaking interview

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Chad Daybell's former neighbor is ready to talk in this interview by journalist Lauren Matthias. The tragedies that happened in her quiet Idaho town haunt her more than two years later, along with the secrets she says are permeating through Madison and Fremont County. Bernadine tells HTC host Lauren Matthias what she saw, and why she believes Chad Daybell has more victims, and discusses the suspicious death of neighbor Eldon Clawson.
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@CatherineCarlson-dw2qs 27 күн бұрын

My son hung out with Bernadine's kids during this time and I remember this happening to her. I felt so bad for the lack of support she had . The property was beautiful but that neighbor drove her out. I was very encouraged and inspired by her self suffciency. She is spot on about Rexburg mentality

@leeoregan9766 27 күн бұрын

Bernadine definitely had the up close and personal info! Grounded, logical and informative!

@JackieOlantern 27 күн бұрын

How many pulmonary embolisms can one group of people have around them? Many apparently!

@catmeow333 24 күн бұрын

Especially when you’re making mysterious day trips to Mexico. . . Joe-Scott Morgan advised that tox panels were run, but they weren’t able to test for “exotics” !

@hippiebaelala 27 күн бұрын

And I’m so sorry what happened to your daughter! How they handled that is VERY TELLING

@Weissguys6 27 күн бұрын

So tragic. 4 years of abuse! 💔💔

@ChaiTei 27 күн бұрын

Bernadine is a breath of fresh air - smart, insightful, talented and able to look at the big picture and explain this crazy town to the rest of us. She and Heather Daybell are the only residents I’ve heard who really understand how evil the Chad and Julie Rowe religion is and are willing to call people out. Everyone else seems to be unwilling to take accountability for their beliefs and actions even now. (They claim they were just naive and deceived, it’s never their fault.)When she compared the corruption in Rexburg to the Murdaugh situation it really made sense. Also Eldons death is very suspicious!

@carmellaffan6654 27 күн бұрын

Bernadine is an amazing person. XO

@karenili3196 27 күн бұрын

So agree!

@joank.0421 16 күн бұрын

Yes, she seems like she has a lot of wisdom and discernment ✨️ I don't believe God would instruct you to hurt the innocent, EVER.

@bonnylouwho76 15 күн бұрын

I love the Gospel and 'The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints." I am however a realist and am very much aware of the fact that in the very midest of goodness, there can be people that are vipers and coopters of truth in order to use and misuse it for their own selfish and gratuitous lusts and desires. And they can and will do anything to hide and cover it up. I have lived in other states and places other than Idaho and Utah, I have seen corruption occur in other areas as well. I have personal experience and knowledge concerning corruption in the Rexburg police department with certain persons, I lost a dear friend who was murdered in Rexburg by her husband a year and a half ago. Everything was covered up, no death announcement regarding her death was ever announced, her family covered it all up and had the police cover it up. everything had to do with MONEY and an INHERITANCE. It was a travesty of justice. We, her friends and co-workers and other family that were not involved with any of that, are still devastated. We are the ones that had a memorial service for her, even when her family didn't and had her cremated and stuck into her Moms grave with no dignity. If only people knew just how WRONG it all was and has been. I was a personal friend of a decorated Rexburg police officer who along with four other officers all walked off the force in Rexbrug at the same time, when the corrupt "superior officer," was re-elected over 17 years ago. I believe that there is far more in the way of secret combinations that are going on everywhere in this world, not just Rexburg or Idaho or Uah.

@Sense_Incensed 4 күн бұрын

Look up the various types of Bi-Polar Disorder. Julie Rowe is a classic. I know first hand, very close relative who had these symptoms, never got help. The longer they go without help, without medication, the worse the symptoms become. The symptoms will begin to closely resemble schizophrenia. Look it up, it's true. Julie Rowe, classic Bi-Polar. Some of these people will inherit the disorder outright, while others will develop it from a trauma, like child sexual abuse. The symptoms can be like obsessive compulsive. Lying is a typical behaviior. They can be awake all night, cleaning or on the computer, very little sleep. They self medicate; often they become alcoholics or drug addicts to reduce the constant 'thinking' which is like rapid subject changing. THAT leads to the inability to concentrate, to focus or a problem with reading comprehension. Frequently, they do have learning problems in school. There is sexual deviency, S & M, Desires for relations with inappropriate partners, age inappropriate or even species. Yes, it gets VERY bad. One very typical behavior, mentioned above is lying. The lies are always the sort which make them appear important, special, for instance, the base guitar player in a band which had only one hit song. Not once do they expect anyone to check to find out if it's true. They break the law, theft or willing to sell anything or anyone in order to get something they value in return. Consequences are not considered, they are compulsive. They are verbally abusive and eventually, physically abusive. It can get to the point to believing their own lies. If there's an occasion which they realize they've behaved badly, which might be due to finding themselves in jail, they claim to not remember. If confronted by the victim, they deny, deny, deny and can even turn the whole thing around and angrily blame the victim. From all I've seen, read or heard of Julie Rowe, she has to be Bi-Polar.

@colleenuchiyama4916 27 күн бұрын

You have no idea how many times I’ve wondered about Eldon. When I found out about his death, and Chud’s beef with him, I was hoping someone could connect him (chud) to it. I hope we find some definitive answers.

@carmellaffan6654 27 күн бұрын

I remember seeing somewhere earlier that Chad had breakfast or a catch up with Eldon that day or the day before. I can't remember where I remember that from. XO it's suss too.

@onemanstrash8233 27 күн бұрын

I have always thought that Chud had something to do with Eldon’s death. What I want to know is this: who is working on finding out what was in the bodies of all those who seemed to die by “pulmonary embolism.” I will be shocked if they never find out! LE has to have somebody working on that! Just too much coincidence! To me… it has something to do with the rings! Malachite! My understanding is that the dust is extremely toxic. My question is how long does it take to leave the body to become undetectable? Any body else have any thoughts on this?

@terijean6351 24 күн бұрын

From watching the Coroner's testimony, she took the weird off people and didn't evaluate what she saw. She said she believed that Chad had pulled the sheet and that caused Tammy's body to fall to the floor. But Chad had said he heard her fall off the bed. But no marks from the closeness of the bedside table was to the bed. The pink foam that kept coming back when wiped away, she didn't understand that. Maybe she's LSD?

@carmellaffan6654 24 күн бұрын

@@onemanstrash8233 I'm hearing you, I feel the same way. XO

@onemanstrash8233 24 күн бұрын

@@carmellaffan6654 You know they will never tell us, knowing that if it becomes public some other nut case will use it on someone they hate like crazy girl that killed her friend with Visine. I think it is going to be the dust of the Malachite or something crazy like that. I think Alex killed himself after he realized Chad and Lori had used him to murder the kids. All just my opinion and we will never know I guess.

@kai_kona 26 күн бұрын

My family is from South Africa, so listening to her talk just felt so familiar! I have a special place in my heart for Bernadine! Thanks for sharing your voice! 🫶🫶🫶

@gigib8849 27 күн бұрын

What I learned from this interview is that there were those in his community that were buying what Chad was peddling. That’s a very scary thought.

@sherriewilliams3422 27 күн бұрын

This was a great interview with Bernadine! What a strong amazing woman that has overcome so much! Would love to hear more from her.

@summerlake356 27 күн бұрын

She is an interesting and dynamic person. I enjoyed hearing her speak.

@shards0fwords 27 күн бұрын

Right?? I’m only halfway in and I’m thoroughly enjoying this.

@carmellaffan6654 27 күн бұрын

I could listen to this lady all day long. XO

@dianealarcon8304 27 күн бұрын

Thank you, Lauren, for another great interview with Bernadine. Very enlightening. ☮️🙏🏻

@hippiebaelala 27 күн бұрын

Wow this interview talked about so much!!! Rexburg sounds so crazy 😮 Thank you Bernadine for your insight ❤

@livehealthyfinishstrong 27 күн бұрын

Rexburg, one man’s Utopia is another man’s hell.

@letitiakearney2423 27 күн бұрын

@@livehealthyfinishstrongthis is an old interview with Bernadine.

@user-tf5vo8qj7e 27 күн бұрын

Very interesting & intelligent. I call her " a pot stirrer " like Heather. 2 smart women

@livehealthyfinishstrong 27 күн бұрын

@@letitiakearney2423yes, I know it is an old interview.

@lamonadb 27 күн бұрын

IMO, I think it's possible that Elden could have been a victim of Chad. What if he was a witness to Chad burning Tylee or burying JJ & he threatened to expose Chad. I feel Elden was just another victim of Chad Daybell

@onemanstrash8233 27 күн бұрын

Agree 100%! Was he the insurance salesman that sold the Tammy’s life insurance and the increase right before she was murdered? I thought it was thru the school but there is usually a salesperson that handles those policies.

@swaneespeedramsey6080 25 күн бұрын

He did seem to be the nosey neighbor.

@4Renee9 27 күн бұрын

Lauren I really enjoyed this interview! I love the wide range of people you find to bring a different perspective in or around the Daybell case. Keeps it all fresh and interesting. Great job.

@christinawelsh3417 27 күн бұрын

Oh I ABSOLUTELY AGREE! She has the most interesting interviews that really give us insight into the entire picture!!!! I just love Lauren!!! 💕 Meegan, Bernadine, Kay W. Just really strong & beautiful women!!!! ❤

@cheriwhile929 27 күн бұрын

Fascinating! Thank you, Lauren, for great reporting! Don't stay silent.

@vfromid2186 27 күн бұрын

Near death experiences are a social contagion in Rexburg.

@Beth-zg6gb 27 күн бұрын

LDS is a social contagion in Rexburg.

@swaneespeedramsey6080 25 күн бұрын

And a power grab for LDS members too.

@Sense_Incensed 4 күн бұрын

It's like a competition.

@msaijay1153 3 күн бұрын

@@Beth-zg6gbthe fact that they have two temples in Rexburg gives credence to your claim

@drewrose8215 27 күн бұрын

This interview supports Heather Daybell’s failed attempts to bring church officials information about Chad beforehand.

@Weissguys6 27 күн бұрын

It’s hilarious how there is a virus out there of near-death experiences!

@honeybunch5765 26 күн бұрын

Keeping up with the Mormons...

@swaneespeedramsey6080 25 күн бұрын

It’s a super powerful Mormon power grab.

@cel8276 7 күн бұрын

They seem to inject religiosity into experiences that likely have perfectly rational explanations out side of religion it seems an almost medieval way of thinking for 2024...... I'm from UK though and religion doesn't seem to have a much weight here. But everyone had a right to believe what they want unless it starts to harm people I guess.

@purplebutterfly5725 27 күн бұрын

I did see the interview with her before. Very interesting & informative regarding area history too.

@joycebiancuzzo6405 27 күн бұрын

Wow

@joycebiancuzzo6405 27 күн бұрын

She’s hard to fallow

@joycebiancuzzo6405 27 күн бұрын

But it will catch up with them

@herbwitch5681 27 күн бұрын

The theory about the difference between Tylee’s and JJ’s burials is interesting, but I suspect it was really more basic than that. I suspect that Chad and Alex thought they were going to be able to burn both bodies and not leave any trace, but like so many other murderers, they discovered that burning a human body is much more difficult than they ever imagined. Hence the condition of Tylee’s remains and their not even bothering with JJ and just burying the poor kid.

@raincadeify 27 күн бұрын

Your takes makes a lot of sense. I can see how Chad and Lori would be attracted to the idea of fire, plus some crazy doctrinal reasons, and then realized it was too hard (If they were true crimers, they'd have known this of course). I do wonder what they were thinking in burning the bodies on that property in broad daylight close to the road and with plenty of neighbors. Did the neighbors notice? And how did they do this with Tammy in the house, and weren't some of the kids still around?

@KKC-bu7qf 27 күн бұрын

Tammy was at work 🦆

@Stepheub 27 күн бұрын

I think this is what happened, too. I think they were inept at breaking down the body and tried to hurry to do it. Maybe because of Eldon, even. It could have been rage but I think it was more likely them trying to quickly do it. Alex couldn’t do anything right and Chubs had no strength…bad combo.

@madelinemahajan2808 27 күн бұрын

Agree 💯

@MissMolly3377 27 күн бұрын

I agree, but I think they did that to Tylee because they weren’t strong enough to move her. Chad certainly couldn’t, he is a putz, and Alex couldn’t do it himself, and Lori was tiny, they just couldn’t move her. I kind of figured, before they found her, that is how she would be found, just because Lori and Alex wouldn’t be able to move her, nor would Chad be able to. I think the way they hacked at her was just chads dream, he was a sick man. You could see from the way he harmed bees, he had a fascination with death.

@judyrosey 27 күн бұрын

How do you do this so well Lauren!? Such excellent info and content!

@swaneespeedramsey6080 25 күн бұрын

I love that people feel so heard when they talk to Lauren. She’s so good.

@Figgatella 27 күн бұрын

I really believe that Eldon was snooping too close. Chad said Tammy had a pulmonary embolism, supposedly Alex died from one too. I find it extremely bizarre it was a cause of death allegedly for three people. One time May e, a second and third time no. I believe that Chad did away with Eldon.😢

@documentariesbycategory1483 27 күн бұрын

I struggle with this. Experiences of rejection are normal in life. Experiences of trauma are not statistically abnormal, unfortunately. This is heart wrenching. With that said, this kind of thinking is absolutely crazy AF. To think that because you like Indian food means that you lived in India in a past life, or if you’re inspired by Joan of arc, you actually were her in a past life, this is not normal or average thinking. Any individual has to be profoundly less than average intelligence and/or have profound narcissism in order to support these bizarre and illusory correlations. There is no way to communicate how disturbing this trend is. This type of bizarrely delusional thinking, which has been THE pin in multiple murders, cannot become mainstream. It’s too terrifying to think of because if this is normal, we are all fucked.

@judygantz1005 27 күн бұрын

Bravo!! 👏🏼 👏🏼👏🏼🎉❤🤗

@kawehionalani3957 27 күн бұрын

100% agree 👍🏽 as a never Mormon, I experienced a NDE at the age of 6. I never told a soul until a few years ago and I’m 46 years old. I didn’t say a word because I didn’t wanna sound CRAZY‼️ then you have this bunch trying to profit out of it while feeding their extreme narcissism.

@virginiainla8085 27 күн бұрын

👏 Well said!

@emptynesters2520 27 күн бұрын

The LDS Leadership need to come out and denounce Visions of Glory and send its Author through a disciplinary counsel! It’s getting beyond a joke at this point!

@Stepheub 27 күн бұрын

@@kawehionalani3957I completely understand and glad you made it through your experience. I’m also never LDS. my husband and my daughter both have Genetic Cardiac conduction disorders and both had NDE’s within 6 months of each other (for different reasons) It’s so traumatic that we all weren’t able to process/talk about it fully for a long time. Seeing that people are profiting off making up these experiences angers me to no end. ❤

@karmiahamilton7222 26 күн бұрын

I really love this woman. More of her commentary please.

@amykru 27 күн бұрын

Thank you for posting this for those of us who missed it the first time around. The ordeal with the neighbor sounds like a nightmare. His passing is suspicious.

@StayingSanewithSarah 23 күн бұрын

This makes me wonder if the "clerical error" on the indictment wasn't an accident...

@MaggieMaeMatt 27 күн бұрын

Lauren…you are an interviewer extraordinaire!! I’m glad you are using a platform where u can cover WHAT you want, and HOW u want. You have a gift, and you are making a difference. Thank you.

@Ruth-nn1dr 27 күн бұрын

I l9ve this woman's perspective and wisdom and articulation! Thank you for sharing!!

@denisejustdenise 27 күн бұрын

Why don't people take the time to 👍 videos they appreciate? It's just a thank you. I occasionally miss one, but not often.

@carolwardropper5521 27 күн бұрын

I think some folks feel it will build a profile of them (which it does) so choose not to.

@denisejustdenise 26 күн бұрын

@@carolwardropper5521 I think you're right. I guess it's often a matter of one's individual line(s) according to topic, boldness and willingness to be identified by beliefs, etc. But to want justice for victims, actual victims of crime not the various narrative "victims" manufactured by political entities and promoted by biased media outlets, is ordinary citizen concern as I see it, as old as tribes, clans and societies. I also skip giving a 👍 on some types of content. Thanks for the reply, Carol! 🙂

@msaijay1153 3 күн бұрын

If you have Google music and you decide to play music that you've liked it'll also play any video you've liked

@honeybunch5765 26 күн бұрын

How did the LDS church not see the red flags in these subgroups? Should they not have intervened and put their members on the right path? Warning them to stay clear, and educating them on the dangers? This Julie Rowe types are wide spread.

@Sense_Incensed 4 күн бұрын

That would not have helped. These folks think themselves as special. They believe it is THEY who hold the secrets to the Universe. They wouldn't bother listening to the LDS Church officials because they believe themselves to be Superior to them. The only way to help is to expose the "leaders" as charlatans. We can see it, we as outsiders have done enough research comparing the discrepancies in Chad's statements and in his books. That's probably the only way to demonstrate their prophet is a fraud.

@kaykeiffer3944 26 күн бұрын

Bernadine is so wonderful and down to earth.. Loved this interview with her… Thank you Lauren 😘

@freedomfrida 27 күн бұрын

I've seen this interview three times. So interesting and I wouldn't be surprised if Chad had something to do (fishy) here

@nelewillaert9736 27 күн бұрын

Very interesting. I saw this interview before but with all coming together in Chads trial it makes a lot more sense to me! Chad was not isolated… That gives a possible answer to the question how this all could have happened. It was not secret, it was backed up.

@livehealthyfinishstrong 27 күн бұрын

Bernadine is an extremely interesting interview. Thanks for this.

@valeriesmith5867 27 күн бұрын

I really don't believe m Gibb not being part of all of it

@ClaudiaYorkPetruny-bc8pg 27 күн бұрын

She definitely knew.

@marcellegrayvanschaik8230 27 күн бұрын

I throughly enjoyed this interview, thank you Lauren.

@wickammarket 27 күн бұрын

I sure enjoyed hearing this woman again. She is quite a character and has let us know much about that area. I was glad that she didn't hold back. It has been hard to understand how so many there believed Chad over Heather. Bernadine gives us a dive into the minds of the people there.

@CraftsandTrueCrimeTracy 8 күн бұрын

I have watched countless interviews on your YT channel and I will say that this interview with Bernadine was exceptionally enlightening! I LOVE that she doesn't hold back & portrays a true spirit.

@edamameedamame1202 27 күн бұрын

I am rewatching and I want to be this lady’s friend. She reminds me of someone who helped me in college to edit my research papers who is a “wisdom woman” who is very connected with spirituality. She once told me the story of “salem witches” and how wrong it was they were burned and condemned. She was always dressed in layers of white, thick fabrics. She was always very reserved and polite and the Salem witches was the only story she told me. She could quote any Shakespeare line and spoke softly, beautiful penmanship. I am in my 50s now but I always remember her, her assistance in helping me editing and this special aura of this lady, very special.

@JH-gq4xb 27 күн бұрын

It’s so crazy going back and revisiting these interviews after so much more has come to light. Wow.

@letitiakearney2423 27 күн бұрын

I’ve always thought it was a mixture of New Age with Mormon doctrine combined and I’m not even from the Mormon faith.

@teresacorrigan3076 27 күн бұрын

Thank you for remembering Eldon. I keep thinking of him

@judyrosey 27 күн бұрын

Wow...the light shining on cockroaches...wow

@MissMolly3377 27 күн бұрын

The fact that Chad knew he could not build on Matt and Heathers property, so he thought he would do it on Eldon’s, right next door to Matt and Heather…that is sick. He is such a narcissist , he had no love for his brother, at all, he was jealous of him, and he wanted to prove that he could get all these followers. I am so glad Heather was too smart for him.

@yvonnebermingham8651 27 күн бұрын

💯💯💯💯 Agree with this it's so cheeky and very childish behaviour 🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪.

@ETBlair 6 күн бұрын

Crazy how much he dislikes Heather.

@chaos9495 26 күн бұрын

I have watched this interview several time, I adore Bernadine. She is so down to earth. I see her as curious with a willingness to give things a chance BUT, she has common sense and good morals and doesn't choose to drink the kool aid

@martiefurlong4609 27 күн бұрын

This was the best, most insightful interview! I have so many more questions about the scope of this case and I was just getting ready to put it to bed once chads trial was over. Now there seem to be so many more avenues of inquiry. This woman was a delight and a fountain of knowledge.

@kathybethell2901 27 күн бұрын

so enjoyed this. There is a special gem there! 3pm NZ

@Harley59 27 күн бұрын

👏👏👏 Speak Bernadine 👏👏 I admire your courage to call all those "Devil" serving idiots out. They call it Godly. I see it as pure evil. Satan was once an angel, too These wack jobs prey on the weak minded So glad you got away Beradine.❤❤

@cathystrydom8731 27 күн бұрын

Satan is stil a fallen Angel roaming the earth. After being cast out of Heaven. Yes deceving many weak people a families. S.A.

@hellsbells8689 27 күн бұрын

@@cathystrydom8731 I feel it's giving them all a Get-Out Clause by saying it's Satan's fault. No. It's their fault, no one made them do what they did. Not even Satan. They chose to do it.

@idahospudgirlidahospudgirl4998 27 күн бұрын

This was a great and insightful interview

@lbpalexcool1 27 күн бұрын

I wonder if Eldon seen something in the murder of the kids?

@TheFloraAndFauna 27 күн бұрын

Bernadine is so cool.

@christinawelsh3417 27 күн бұрын

I been waiting for this mans name to be brought up. His family did not want anyone to even say his name..... Its been hard to get information on him!!! Bernadine is a beautiful person ❤

@SurvivorC 27 күн бұрын

Wow. What an interview & so eye opening. Your research is amazing.

@rayraycrow 27 күн бұрын

I remember this is the first thing I watched from hidden true crime. Somehow this video was listed in my algorithm. I loved this in depth interview. I did not subscribe initially so got lost. I think Lauren was on Mormon stories and realized this is who conducted that interview. Been subscribed ever since ❤

@sherielowe4256 26 күн бұрын

Revisiting this interview. Great work Lauren, when will you make your documentary?

@Trac745 27 күн бұрын

So very thankful for you sharing your experience ❤ Bernadine thankyou

@stuartpierce121 27 күн бұрын

Wonderful video! Thanks Lauren Jennifer 😊

@ipsosmaati1971 27 күн бұрын

I missed this before. Thanks

@Atalinay 27 күн бұрын

I remember watching this but its important to rewatch bc i forgot all the shady thungs in Rexburg. People will protrct abusers at all costs it seems.

@Spicy_Nice78 27 күн бұрын

I really like Bernadine. Her experiences seems to have given her such and inner strength and appreciation of many things in life. She seems to be a no BS kind of person which I enjoy! Thanks for sharing ❤

@cecilemulvehill7032 27 күн бұрын

Replay-so so interesting. Was this recent interview or ?

@carmellaffan6654 27 күн бұрын

Go to hidden true crime a watch the whole thing. It's very informative and interesting. XO

@Chezsey 7 күн бұрын

Really enjoyed Bernadine and her logical and intelligent comments. Thanks for bringing her to us.

@valeriegabriel4456 26 күн бұрын

I always thought the old man saw something while walking along his property and Chad Dealt with it.

@FlyGurl6969 16 күн бұрын

So good to revisit this interview!

@annazawistowska2429 24 күн бұрын

Lauren ,can you please make another interview with Bernandine??!?!?🙏🙏🙏🙏

@christinabuehler8139 27 күн бұрын

Hahahhaha! Love the quote “there is something WRONG with this person” regarding reading the first few pages of a Julie R book. 😂😂😂😂😂

@christinadiaz4349 27 күн бұрын

One of my favorite interviews you have done.

@NancyBriant-wr9vo 27 күн бұрын

Bernadine is very informative. I would love to hear much more from her. Thank you Laurie for all your hard work on the Daybell cases. RIP JJ Tylee Tammy Charles💙💜🦆💙

@Birdsnest1220 27 күн бұрын

What a great interview!

@jennifergeller-rl7wo 27 күн бұрын

Thanks!

@craigstueber392 27 күн бұрын

I appreciate your passion in this case and appreciate your coverage. I think so many grieve for the families and we just want justice for everyone involved. It is hard not to be so incredibly angry on behalf of the kids and Tammy. I also hate that Chad and Lori used religion to justify all of this. That makes it so much worse. Chad is hard to watch at trial. He never moves he is hidden in his turtle shell or something. It is creepy. He clearly does not truly respect woman and that is sad. I am sad that his children still may believe in him. I am sad if And when they realize how awful he is. So sad. Prayers for the families. Praying for justice. Thankyou for your passion and your hubbies input! ❤

@ClaudiaYorkPetruny-bc8pg 27 күн бұрын

The children’s deaths and burials were very ritualistic, I also think.. Great interview.

@nancycornett9949 27 күн бұрын

Thank you!

@lydiamitchell6814 5 күн бұрын

Excellent interview of an amazing lady! 💖

@janashellbug 27 күн бұрын

Of course it’s men in charge. ALL religions are built like this.

@Geospasmic 27 күн бұрын

This is all fascinating, especially in light of what Heather Daybell experienced in the town and church. It must have been a surreal experience living there.

@someonesgranny5387 27 күн бұрын

This interview with Bernadine makes some sense of why Heather's concerns were falling on deaf ears. Im not in the US and not that familiar with the LDS Church and it seemed so crazy that others could not see through Chad the way Heather did. I still thought that there was just a handful of people in this mini cult, and it seemed odd that they could be so manipulative and do so much damage. Bernadines view from being in that town/community, that there were so many people into Chads visions / beliefs (?) makes a lot of sense. His supporters may not have known about murders but their following would have stroked Chads ego. It maybe also follow in line with John Dehlins comments (Mormon Stories Podcast) on how populat the book 'Vision's of Gllory' is in the LDS community. ?? ...Though Im out of my depth with all of this.

@Madly98 27 күн бұрын

It’s so interesting to hear Bernadine’s history and her relationship to prepping, very valuable insights in my opinion!!

@karenili3196 27 күн бұрын

The one I have been waiting for! This one is excellent! Thank you Lauren! I’m from St. Anthony, Idaho. I have been suspicious of Eldon’s death since day #1! I love Bernadine! Love the SCOOP!💯💯💯

@marshawohltman8580 27 күн бұрын

Remember when you drove your car to a place that chad had gone maybe after tylee was killed. It was out in the middle of nowhere. Could that be where Alex /chad killed tylee?

@MaggieMay757 27 күн бұрын

I've been thinking about that for days...I think it was on the way back from Yellowstone?

@virginiainla8085 27 күн бұрын

YES! I think it could be. Revisit that video, too!

@carmellaffan6654 27 күн бұрын

It was awful to hear of animal markings on Tylee. XO

@MagnaB-8 27 күн бұрын

Interesting that two people who knew Darkbell (and may have been believers of his ideas) died suddenly of pulmonary embolism. I’m talking about Eldon Clawson and Alex Cox. And, when asked what happened to Tammy, one of the explanations put forth by Darkbell was that she died of a … wait for it … pulmonary embolism. Also interesting, how was Clawson’s cause of death determined to be pulmonary embolism if there was no autopsy. Someone on another KZfaq indicated that you can acquire certain snake venom in Mexico and that if ingested that venom causes death that mimics PE. If this is true, isn’t that interesting ??? Recall that Heather Daybell was upset that so many people in the community were buying in to the Darkbell/Rowe preachings. Heather knew that community and how they would behave if they adopted the Darkbell/Rowe belief system.

@Sense_Incensed 4 күн бұрын

Spider venom, a certain species of Brown Recluse. All snake venoms thin the blood, no clotting.

@TalLeGal 7 күн бұрын

It’s refreshing to hear them talk about the impact of sexual abuse on adult survivors.

@ginafarley6190 26 күн бұрын

Wise statement, “we can’t always tell if people are good or not.” We can all be fooled. No shame in that.

@stephaniecarlson6689 27 күн бұрын

Ohhhhh my Lauren ❤❤❤❤thank you. Your new Hairstyle is very pretty. Caring thoughts to you Bernadine, I am so sad & sorry for what you have gone through & had to deal with.💝 . Steph at New South Wales, Australia

@mycatsnameiskaren8253 27 күн бұрын

I love Bernadine. She's so lovely and honest. This was a fascinating interview!!! Thank you so much. Just wow. This is very heavy stuff. I grew up Pentacostal and my father is now 81 and still a conspiracy theorist to this day. I had food in my bedroom growing up, learned to shoot guns at an early age and was taught how to "speak in tongues" before the age of 12, and a lot of what she spoke about is very familiar to me. My parents were even in a splinter worship group when i was a kid. We (there are 4 of us kids) used to fall asleep at their friends houses into the late evening and get Dunkin donut holes as a treat on the way home, so a lot of this stuff has touched my life. Thank you again!

@purplebutterfly5725 27 күн бұрын

I just missed bummer but watching late. I signed up for notification for this 2 places but got none. Gremlins for sure!

@hellsbells8689 27 күн бұрын

I always get my Notification just AFTER I've watched the video. Not just for this channel, for all I have asked for notifications from.

@SaffronHammer 27 күн бұрын

45;27 ~ She could be describing Joseph Smith!

@chaos9495 26 күн бұрын

They call everything an Embolism in this case, everybody gets one.

@M0M0NTHECASE 8 күн бұрын

Right 😂

@megsmann5414 27 күн бұрын

Mormans seem to have gone off the road

@coleen_L_SC 27 күн бұрын

Is the full video by Jeanine Hansen uploaded somewhere?

@nancycornett9949 27 күн бұрын

The way Rexburg is being described reminds me so much of the town where I grew up in eastern Kentucky.

@InternationalMysteries360 27 күн бұрын

Hi Lauren, I wonder if you should bleep out that Dr Larsen’s name so the lady won’t get sued for slander? The part where she said he abused the wife.

@whitajeman 27 күн бұрын

My son has Autism and I too was taught the idea that he is elect and free from the burden of agency. That exaultation is already given to him bc he cant be held accountable for sin. Ive never been endowed and he has never been on the churxh records or baptised and many people in my circle have made the comment of me being separated from him in the eternities even though he is not a member.

@hellsbells8689 27 күн бұрын

I was only a Mormon convert for three years at age 23. I don't get how anyone could believe a loving father/mother could keep families apart (after earthly death) just because they haven't all been 'sealed' 'baptized' etc. It makes me wonder what the heck I was thinking when I signed up. Well I kinda know. I was going through a divorce from an @busive/controlling husband. I got a nice new family in the church. People that cared for me and didn't hurt me. Then I heard what the other members were saying about me. Saying that I was only there for a new husband, maybe a missionary. The strange thing was, was one of the Elders had the convo on tape. He played it to me and I cried. I told him he HAD to take it to our Bishop. Nothing came of it that I know of. I still went to church for a year after hearing the tape. It wasn't why I left.

@happybergner9832 27 күн бұрын

THANK YOU: Bernadine understands the self-fulfilling prophecy concept of "end times." She's very very smart. She'sh right on, too, with the "secrecy" thing, and suspicion; t is a perfect breeding town for what happened. We are only INSTRUMENTS of the Lord, we are NOT the Lord.

@karenili3196 27 күн бұрын

Lot of stuff shoved under the rug! This is true!

@onemanstrash8233 27 күн бұрын

48:33 Does anyone else think Lori was ashamed of Tylee because of her weight? I got that vibe. She didn’t even take Tylee to her brothers wedding until after the pictures were taken…or that is what I was told. Does anyone remember that? Colby’s wife said Tylee DID come to the wedding, said she just didn’t get there until AFTER those pictures were taken. She then said Lori was such a manipulator! Colby just sat there and didn’t say anything. I am sure it’s hard on him. He loves his mom I sure but can u even imagine being her daughter in law? Holy Cow!

@TalLeGal 7 күн бұрын

It wouldn’t surprise me.