The Templars were even crusading against a species with odd, undying properties in the Ghoul Stars some time before Helsreach.

The galactic Bermuda Triangle, if you will

The Pale Wasting devours 1d6 Astartes per turn.

I can only imagine a Necron dressed like Nick Valentine from Fallout 4 saying: *_"You new round here, pard'ner?"_* 🤣

@@hectorandem2944 probably one of Trayzyn's boys after they found an old and somehow working computer with Fallout 4 on it

Yes!

A technologically advanced Xeno race with psychic powers that produced unique Daemon Engines. That would be an interesting addition.

Or they are something neither of the warp or real space, something else all together

I feel like it being the Necrons is too boring, plus a single Necron Empire, all infected with the flayer virus no less somehow murderfied Twelve full Chapters? I don't buy it. As for Chaos this video is waaaaay off base, unless it's purposeful misdirection it has been stated that there is very little if any Chaos influence in the Ghoul Stars so that just seems not only unlikely but very poorly researched. What we do know is the Ghoul Stars have a ton of scary xenos that aren't encountered elsewhere and may possibly be home to a rend in the fabric of the universe leading to another universe even worse than chaos from which some very Lovecraftian creatures have crawled (this part may be myth and they may just be more scary ass xenos). It's my personal belief that it was one or more of these Xenos that caused the Pale Wasting because ever since then every attempted incursion has usually met their end at the hand of said scary ass xenos. The Necrons are sometimes the problem but again I just don't see how twelve Chapters could be wiped out by a bunch of mindless melee husks and the Necrons also seem to be at full power, certainly that many Space Marines would have put something of a dent in them.

@@Goldenkitten1 "12 full chapters". That is 12k marines. In a universe where battles between equal foes are fought with billions of souls that amount is laughable.

​@@Goldenkitten1 if it was the necrons they'd only need one goodish weapon from the older days to do it hell if was somehow a dynasty of flayer destroyers that may work I do prefer the unknown threat either a rend in space or spooky xenos

Especially if it ended up being a sort of chain reaction. One C’tan shard is bad enough, now imagine what that one shard (especially if it’s a larger shard, retaining unimaginable power) ended up escaping and, perhaps inadvertently, freeing other nearby shards in the process. Even just half a dozen shards could easily spell doom for multiple chapters.

I think it was a naboscarab plague such as the one stated to attack the kroot in the 7th edition necron codex

If it was C'Tan, all Astartes would've been wiped out.

That's kind of beautiful. Horrible, but beautiful.

There’s a possibility that the pale wasting came from an unbroken Ctan named the Outsider. The outsider went on a huge kill streak on his fellow ctan, which wound up driving him insane, causing him to flee the galaxy and return to feeding on stars. This was before the necron revolt so he escaped unscathed. The outsider is very very powerful, but from what I last heard, surrounded himself in a dyson spear type device and is in some kind of stasis kinda just roaming around the edge of the galaxy aimlessly The insanity the of the outsider radiating out as they drift through space could very well have been the origin of both the pale wasting and the tyrant Star

Another ironic thing is that the Nova Marines Sigil looks a lot like the pre heresy death guard symbol, the same legion that would lay waste to Ultramar during the Plague Wars.

They're takin'it all back!

The Ultramarines absorbed TONS of leftover marines. It's even been rumored that the two missing legions got folded into them.

Rich Mascaro That would explain their large numbers

Rich Mascaro the lost, and the purged...

Truth and wisdom.

The "outside" is Chaos corrupted

*Snickers in Space Wolves*

What would the nova marines do try fight an entire legion *laughs in dark angel*

*Guffaws in Black Templar*

Glares judgingly in Santales

Yeah, that or enslavers. Dunno why he claimed 'unknown xenos' when there are multiple KNOWN ones that could have fit the description...

think the Rangdhan were wiped out by the Ordo Sinister

@@KuK137 Because, new unknown xenos is more interesting..

Nice theory. I was thinking that the Wasting was a thing of Nurgle or Tzeentch, but Hrud weaponry is viable as well.

Oh yeah, and one of the survivors talks about how he can feel the arthritis is his joints.

Slightly less angry

Kind of weird since in the 7th edition TAU codex it was stated a Novamarine captain allowed a Tau Shas'o to retreat with his wounded after said Shas'o spared his men a few days earlier, maybe just GW writer incompetence though...

The Novamarines are extremely codex compliant, though.

I feel like Red Scorpions is a better example. Then again, these guys aren't out here killing anyone who isn't "perfectly human" enough like them.

@@qiushuang239 SM can hate and still show honor, in the right circumstances.

I think this is probably correct.

This seems somewhat likely, one chapter at a time being turned, perhaps by a nurgleite uprising that caused machines to decay and corupt along with the people and marine chapters.

It was confirmed by a writer for GW during the creation of the lost primarchs concept that the idea of them being erased wasn’t a punishment, but a mercy. It’s likely one or both of the primarchs came under the influence of powers they had no way of resisting but still managed to find some kind of redemption in the end. So they were erased from history so their failure would be erased as well. It could be a similar concept with the pale wasting. The 12 chapters would encounter an unknown force, be corrupted by it, and force the last chapter remaining to mercy kill them. The imperium wouldn’t censor either side, but let it all be forgotten, for it had truly not been their fault

I agree and explain why in my own comment to the video. Facing a hive fleet meets all criteria and makes the most sense.

Tyranids do die, though. So the description doesn't really fit and since they are merely xenos, there would be no reason to hide the knowledge.

Yes, they die. Then, more times than not, their biomass is reabsorbed to constitute more Nids. But, the passage may not mean literally undying, but metaphorically undying as in a seemingly endless swarm. Also, as I stated previously, the information would have redacted and/or erased given the timeline and dates of interest. The Pale Wasting was in M34 and the first official contact with the Nids was 745.M41. But, in 942.M41, Ciphas Caine discovered a frozen, crashed hive fleet on an ice world. After the defeat of this hive fleet and others, the remains were examined both physically and genetically. It was determined that our galaxy has had preliminary contact with the Nids as far back as M29 or possibly M28. So, that gives evidence that the Nids could have possibly entered our galaxy in substantial numbers by M34. The Pale Wasting took place in the Ghoul Stars on the Eastern Fringe of the galaxy...the exact same area the Nids entered our galaxy. The Ghoul Stars are full of unexplored worlds that could sustain the Nids with biomass. Then there is the fact that 10 chapters(that is possibly 10k Space Marines) of the Emperor's Astartes died during the Pale Wasting...less than 200 years after the War of the Beast...200 years before the Age of Apostasy...during one of the most volatile times in the Imperium's history...it would stand to reason that Imperium would wish to keep this quiet. Space Marines are meant to be seen as the Hand of the Emperor by the common man...an unstoppable, near undefeatable force of the Emperor's Will. Imagine how much more volatile the Imperium would have been if it became public knowledge that a xenos species lurked at the Eastern Fringe headed west that 10k of the mighty Adeptus Astartes, backed by the Will of the God Emperor, couldn't defeat. Panic. Rebellion. Insurrection. The Imperium, at that particular time, would have fallen apart. Thus, they kept the Nids a secret for as long as possible thinking the Imperium had plenty of time to find a way to eradicate the Nids. So...it fits. But, no one knows for sure who or what the right answer is.

@@youtubevoice1050 individual nids die yes but they all behave as part of a greater whole, the nid hive mind effectively cannot be killed, only "unmade" through the destruction of synapse creatures the fact that the imperium suffered such massive losses alone would be reason to hide the knowledge of the conflict. 11 full chapters of astartes completely lost? how many millions or billions of imperial guard do you think were lost in addition? how many imperial navy warships and fighters? how many titan legions? it is nearly impossible that the imperium didnt mobilize absolutely every element of its military power for a conflict they deployed 12 full chapters of astartes to. the losses suffered by those other elements would be equal to, if not greater than, the losses suffered by the astartes, with the possible exception of the titan legions.

For the uninitiated, what do the Slaugh _do?_

@@hectorandem2944 They're an old, patient race who may have an interstellar empire spread through the ancient trailing Halo Stars. Their biomechanical tech at least matches and quite possibly exceeds that of the Eldar. They're big on infiltration and corruption, then moving in with biomechanical nightmare engines. They possess non-Warp FTL travel (less horrific, still interesting). "Slaugth Murder-Minds" are described at Rangda during the Rangdan Xenocide, the closest the Imperium came to defeat pre-Heresy. It's the campaign where it's strongly hinted one of the 2 unknown legions was lost. Considering the conflict was named after the planet, not the race, it may have been the Slaugth behind the whole thing. Lexicanum and 1d4 chan have good entries if you want more.

@@hectorandem2944 theyre prominent in rpg version paticularly dark heresy

@@hectorandem2944 During the Rangandan Xenocide it took 6 legions (pre heresy sized) , the emporer and presumably his custodes, 100s of titans, 100s of knights, thousands of ships and millions of astra military to stop the rangandan. 50000 space marines died in a single battle. In another battle 47 knights from a single house along with numerous titans were lost. Rumor is this is where the II and XI legions were destroyed. Also this is why the Luna wolves/ultramarines/ Blood Angel's rise to prominence rapidly because the dark angels/space wolves/alpha legion/death guard took such horrific casualties they basically were relegated to rear guard for a few decades.

@@markgirard4023 And it even got so bad that the Emperor released something from the Noctis Labyrinth on Mars just to prevent the Imperium being destroyed, it is suggested that he had unleashed something called the Dragon of Mars which is heavily implied to be the Void Dragon itself (Not merely a shard but the heavily damaged core of the C'tan)

Machine spirits I guess? Things as simple as computers and cogitators to weapons as deadly as Titans depend on taking a data input to using that to formulate its output or actions. Introduce the right data and you can get a Titan to do whatever you want. So, they might be able to infest all of the Imperium's weapons and systems, adapting to absorb technology like a computer virus instead of absorbing organic material like a om-nom-nomaknuckle.

@@user-hn5bi3nw9y DAoT era humanity were basically Time Lords.

@@user-hn5bi3nw9y Were DAoT humans stronger than Eldar?

@@SpencerLemay probably, considering DAoT humanity was so strong that THE ORKS signed non-aggression treaties

Makes sense to me. According to the Ciaphas Cain books, the Ordo Xenos was keeping info on the Necrons quiet at least until year 932 of M41, as Cain has to pull some serious strings to let his fellows know of their existence in Caves of Ice.

again as stated why would any records be suppressed or destroyed when other accounts of the Necrons exist whereas it makes sense for the forces of Chaos to be involved and the Inquisition wanting to make sure such knowledge was kept from the general populace

@@Aristaios The inquisition is a equal opportunity book burner. It is just a speciality of the Ordo Maleus. But Ordo Xenos surely can need a fire too.

Probably serfs man.

I would expect serfs to handle the basic stuff, but individual Marines can customize their own armor, within limits, and then there's the artisans for relic armor and such.

Have you noticed my custom green trim?

I think it was mentioned off hand that it arrives from forge worlds prepainted. Repainting a damaged paint job would be repairs. Some serfs are known to act as assistants to techmarines doing things like passing tools or if particular good are honoured with touching astartes equipment for things like removing screws for the next piece of equipment for the Marine. Painting is likely also done by these honourable serfs. Edit: after thought. I also seem to remember a story where an Inquisitor arrested a squad of marines suspecting heresy. Rather than the Inquisitor and his agents taking away their weapons they brought another astartes who was there purely to accept the forfeited ammunition (the astartes were permitted to keep their weapons to avoid offending the chapter as a whole) from the suspected heretics as the mortal Inquisitor viewed touching astartes equipment as a mortal heretical. Just to point out how big of a deal allowing a serf to paint would actually be.

Do not forget, it could have also been Hrud technology. Their weapons rapidly age and decay anything they hit, with thousands of years happening in the span of moments. With that in mind, some psychopath yet to be named unleashed a Hrud weapon, which managed to annihilate most Space Marine chapters it was focused on. The Novamarines probably managed to disable or destroy the weapon before it could be activated to destroy them, at the cost of all other chapters who participated in the conflict, and to prevent the spread of such a powerful weapon, they erased it from records, with only small fragments being left behind. (Credit goes to the Warsmith somewhere in this comments section, wouldn't have thought of Hrud tech without him.)

Maybe, maybe not. Science has demonstrated that diversity is key to life thriving, so killing everything that isn't human might actually cause life to slowly die out.

@@coriusfarinprimarchofthese7007 It's not all life, just sentient life. They should be able to get away with that and not cause life to die out.

Not over-the-top epic enough for 40k content

It also seems that in most early encounters with the Nids(and many, many subsequent encounters) the Ultramarines and it's successor chapters have been at the forefront of combating the hive fleets. So it would stand to reason that the Nova Marines, the most Ultramarine-ish successor chapter of the Ultramarines, would be the only survivors of the first unofficial encounter with a hive fleet. Having done so, some latent or genetic memories(possibly passed on through the gene-seed due to contact with the synaptic creatures of the hive fleet somehow "scarring" the gene-seed) could have been passed on to later Nova Marines brothers and thus relayed to other Ultramarines' successor chapters(via any number of ways from verbally conveying a "feeling" of familiarity with the Nids to outright psychic transference due to genetic link)which in turn unknowingly gives those chapters a seemingly unexplainable advantage in combating the Nids as well as an unexplainable desire to face the Nids feeling the need for revenge, again, for some unknown reason(this unexplainable feeling of having faced the Nids before and need for revenge was felt by the Ultramarines and their successors during the Nid's attacks on Ultramar).

What do you mean by a Black Templar group? The Black Templars were only made up of Imperial Fists

@@Taurox220 I mean did each of the legions have a group that became essentially an 'Angry Marines' chapter. The Novamarines are basically Black Templar, but use guns and came from the Ultrasmirfs lol

I'm high as balls btw

Only if you go by the outdated, historical definition. The modern dictionary definition of decimate is thus: Decimate verb To kill, destroy, or remove a large proportion of. "the inhabitants of the country had been decimated"

*Stomp Stomp*

A D V E N T U R E ! ! !

They were decimated, but not wiped out.

Come on, decimated only means 10% loss, how about "nearly annihilated", or "halved"? It is a dumb chapter name.

Decimated meaning only a 10% loss is the historical definition. The modern dictionary definition (as taken from the Oxford English Dictionary) is as follows: decimate /ˈdɛsɪmeɪt/ verb verb: decimate; 3rd person present: decimates; past tense: decimated; past participle: decimated; gerund or present participle: decimating 1. kill, destroy, or remove a large proportion of. "the inhabitants of the country had been decimated"

@@40KTheories, deci- of or pertaining to 10. A "modern" definition in a modern dictionary is incorrect, just like how Merriam-Webster added "irregardless" recently. If I told you that our bank account had been decimated, your definition requires me to use another sentence to say the exact same thing. The specific definition is 1/10th. Other terms carry vague notions of loss, terms like: beaten, brutalized, eviscerated, utterly defeated, laid low, etc. It is lazy English to misuse decimated. . . but it was a great video anyway! Honestly who REALLY knows what it was? Several candidates, terrible consequences, it is a mystery for certain!

@@kingbaldwiniv5409 Dude you know words and languages evolve over time along with their meanings, right?

it would take a lot of contact with them before you knew that though.