The Myth and Legend of Popular Music | Philosophy Sunday

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Andy Edwards

Andy Edwards

4 ай бұрын

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@jonathanstewart7838
@jonathanstewart7838 4 ай бұрын
"I know that I know nothing" is a saying derived from Plato's account of the Greek philosopher Socrates: "For I was conscious that I knew practically nothing... The starting point of all philosophy and most philosophers. If you know you don't know then you are open to learn.
@Hartlor_Tayley
@Hartlor_Tayley 4 ай бұрын
Nuance on KZfaq yes Andy that’s why your channel is so good. Rock and Roll especially from mid sixties forward is steeped in mythology even as it was happening. People love a backstory and connection to a larger world than is contained in the songs. Being mythological in your own time can be a cage too.
@jonathanstewart7838
@jonathanstewart7838 4 ай бұрын
Andy, you approach the videos by improvisation by jamming. That's what musicians do.
@DonHamlin
@DonHamlin 4 ай бұрын
Excellent work! Thought provoking and entertaining at the same time.
@jonathanbailey2021
@jonathanbailey2021 4 ай бұрын
Love the improv nature of Andy's lectures.
@jonathanstewart7838
@jonathanstewart7838 4 ай бұрын
The feeling is reverence.
@jackdolphy8965
@jackdolphy8965 4 ай бұрын
Oliver Lake told the story when I saw him (in the late 1980s I think) that Wynton told him to his face “Man, you u don’t play jazz. “. This whole topic is more multilayered than we can account for …
@Darrylizer1
@Darrylizer1 3 ай бұрын
Wynton can be an incredible twat when he wants to be.
@davidwylde8426
@davidwylde8426 4 ай бұрын
I’d like to see It Bites get a nod on the underrated list. It’s amazing how many musicians playing professionally today in fairly big bands,( or as session musicians for big artists), were into them, and like many forever to be unknown musicians like myself, were really blown away if they saw them in a small club,(and thereafter made a point of seeing them whenever they played). They seem unique in that sense to me, although I accept that you seemingly had to have been there and seen them in the period 86-89 to have experienced this effect, as if perhaps their sound only fully made sense within a limited window where perhaps people of a certain age experienced them against a certain historical musical backdrop. Outside this window the effect is perhaps lost. Indeed it’s even difficult for me to quite hear them as I actually did at the time but the residual effect is still sufficiently powerful enough to recognise that they made a profound impression on me musically that has stayed with me.
@Heb.2000
@Heb.2000 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for the entertainment Andy and for your absolute authenticity, passion, taste, knowledge, sharp intellect, expressiveness, thoughtfulness, sensitivity and jolly good humor. Context: I never leave comments on youtube. I'm 47 American obsessive music fan. Our taste aligns so well and where it may not you often inspire me to bridge the gap. I don't play because of my OCD perfectionism and the totally discouraging godly talent of my early idols (by 25 I had over 10 thousand records). But you are the ONLY youtube music philosopher/critic I can stand without feeling my IQ dropped 20 points. Rather than a rehearsed performance it's refreshing to hear you working through your ideas. Always a sign of intelligence. This will become an essay the point of which is to hopefully help reinforce your highly interactive and engaging approach. It will also partially be a rant in response to other channels which I'm about to name. I don't care that Beato (WHO SEEMS LIKE A VERY SWELL CHAP) can discuss the microproduction of every record in history that's impressive but it doesn't interest me. That's the opposite of what has always drawn me to music. Which these days -- in addition to not being illiterate -- makes me weird. I get that great musicians find unique and clever technical methods to create their music. I don't care how many chisels Michelangelo used on David or from which specific hill the marble was quarried. He famously destroyed his drawings because he didn't want us to see the process. I don't care about the composition of alloys or the specific smelting process of Polykleitos. We're better off having lost the Kanon. It's about the visual and visceral perfection of form not the little tips and rules of the methodology. We don't need to know the size of Rembrandt's brushes or the organic composition of pigments or the number of transparent glazes applied to the Self Portrait with Two Circles. I am quite content that Whitman threw away the early drafts of Song of Myself or that Heminges and Condell didn't publish an annotated second folio of the plays of Shakespeare containing extensive footnotes from his journals. Nor is anyone buying tickets to the Albert hall to hear Beethoven's final rough draft of his final string quartet. As much as I love biography, it doesn't matter if Coleridge had actually sailed on an expedition to the Antarctic or if Melville had ever seen a whale. It's actually more impressive that they used their imagination. And nobody witnessing the culmination of 2001 is giving any thought to whether the giant glowing infant hovering over the earth might actually be a little doll that Kubrick borrowed from his daughter. MUSICALLY speaking, we don't need to know how many overdubs Trane recorded on Psalm. Or how many inches closer Glenn Gould sat to the piano for the 81 Goldberg Variations vs 55. I HONESTLY don't care where Bonzo's kit was positioned in some decrepit house or whether the entire staircase was demolished at the behest of Peter Grant. I don't care how many mics chris cornell destroyed on superunknown. I do not need ten hours on the Lateralus sessions (presumed future Beato video). Or the name of Hendrix's favorite guitar string manufacturer. Nobody cares how many hot dogs Sam Phillips may have consumed after pressing RECORD before That's All Right or whether he took a bathroom break during Mystery Train. Or whether Stevie Wonder had his shoes on backwards during Songs in the Key of Life -- not for the blindness but rather good luck. If knowing any of these facts added to the experience the artists would let us know. Nor does knowing these facts bring us any closer to becoming a genius ourselves -- which of course is the real reason for the pathological obsession with technical details over and above the proper enjoyment of the music itself. We need to hear less from people with a total inability to articulate the impact of music on their souls. There are significant exceptions. I do care that Son House grew up picking cotton and attending a baptist church in Mississippi within one generation of the American Civil War. I care that Wilhelm Furtwangler was conducting in a barely contained rage in the early 40s because Hitler was taking away his players and destroying his native country. I care that Caravaggio was on the run from the mob. I care that all of Bird's greatest playing happened after taking a massive amount of heroin. I care that Billie Holiday may have been tragically and incurably addicted to being abused by weak men. I care that Merry Clayton suffered a miscarriage immediately after singing on Gimme Shelter. These tragedies directly inform and enhance the power of the music. I am also very unimpressed by theory. I don't need a lecture on atonality to appreciate Erwartung....etc etc etc. I've been subjected to these lectures, I still don't get it and I still love Erwartung. Would I love music any more if I had the mind of a PhD in music theory? No. This is not to say I wouldn't love to see Turner through the eyes of Ruskin or read Shelley with the mind of Hazlitt or hear music through the ears of Ernest Newman. Your focus is on the EXPERIENCE, which you express with color, range and precision. Subjectivity scares people because it challenges their far less qualified opinions. Taste can only come from exposure and probably a solid upbringing. There are no shortcuts. Some of it is inherent by nature and some of it developmental. It takes a great foundation and a lifetime of passion. Nobody else on youtube talks music experience as intelligently and fluidly across the entire spectrum. I have no doubt you would be a great writer. We desperately need more writers to teach children how to patiently savor literate insight on art. Gen Z is the most illiterate generation since the bronze age. We don't need Lester Bangs on Astral Weeks but maybe something that isn't totally shitty. Everything doesn't have to be a tik tok video. If you are going to text someone under the age of 35 you better understand they can't handle a sentence over 5 words or a word over 2 syllables. Thoughtful interesting people like yourself should have the space to digest and refine their thoughts. Nobody can write about popular music because there is no longer a demand for good music criticism in any genre. Great music is either dying or already dead. I can't decide. But it's inevitable. As you know, jazz and classical have been long dead for purely artistic reasons. Rock is dead from DUMB CONSUMERS and not as Beato and others constantly preach because of the industry or new technology. The tail isn't wagging the dog. Please keep it up but do take the occasional break to recharge -- from what I can tell these channels have a way of sucking good people down a drain with the endless content creation. This is important. You are reconnecting people to the long lost passion they once had for great music.
@billspectre9502
@billspectre9502 4 ай бұрын
I had no idea that Tootie and Keith had died until I watched this video. Pioneers.
@willdenham
@willdenham 3 ай бұрын
I met Elvin Jones backstage at The Dakota in 2000. It was awe inspiring for me as well.
@Neofolis
@Neofolis 4 ай бұрын
If it makes you feel better, people still remember Bach and he is still revered.
@existentialmeltdown
@existentialmeltdown 4 ай бұрын
Holding Bonham's drum cases, Andy hummed, I've got a feeling A feeling deep inside Oh yeah Oh yeah, that's right I've got a feeling A feeling I can't hide
@tomhenninger4153
@tomhenninger4153 4 ай бұрын
No worries Andy! Love your improving style. Thats what makes you entertaining and authentic. I view your channel as a chance to do what I miss most about High School and College... listening and talking to buddies about music (while getting stoned! haha!) Anyway, I wouldn't worry about what peeps say. They can always turn it off. haha!
@motorpsykler
@motorpsykler 4 ай бұрын
This channel is underrated!
@user-xv3vv3tc6i
@user-xv3vv3tc6i 3 ай бұрын
That was fantastic Andy. I think you encapsulated it all with your discussion with Robert Plant regarding John Bonham. You held Bonham in awe but Plant, who actually knew Bonham very well, just took a matter of fact view of the gear he had left over. Bonham was day to day for him, but a massive legend for you. Great, thanks for that.
@Simon_Kidd
@Simon_Kidd 3 ай бұрын
Your weaving of personal anecdote and history is masterful. It reminds me of Ronnie Corbett's armchair section of The Two Ronnies. Keep it up, please!
@petermountford5940
@petermountford5940 3 ай бұрын
Only just found you on here, lovin your stuff. It’s very rare for me but i agree with 95% of it and you’ve change my mind on the other 5% . Pete , Worcester , UK…
@AndyEdwardsDrummer
@AndyEdwardsDrummer 3 ай бұрын
just up the road!
@antonnee
@antonnee 4 ай бұрын
I'll probably make several separate comments after I finish watching the whole video but for now I'll make these two: - Please, rant away. You have one of the most entertaining channels on KZfaq and the, sometimes, long winded responses or arguments are what make it so different. Granted, I can never watch a whole video in one sitting but always comeback to watch it in full; - Haven't yet watched the video on jazz you mentioned but no need to apologize for expressing YOUR opinion. Civilization can only progress and move forward if there are differing opinions and ideas that can be discussed to then get to a general agreement on the best path forward. If we only believe that just one idea, a thought process, argument, etc is the right now, then, we just become static and turn into a monolith; everyone having the same thoughts, eating food the same way using the same seasonings, listening to just one type of music, making only one type of movie, etc. What a sad and boring existence this would be; unfortunately, it seems that this is where society is heading at the moment. You seem a humble, kind hearted and caring person, so, even without having watched the jazz video, I can say you were just trying to start a conversation and had no I'll intent. Enough for now of all these rambling thoughts. See? your rantiness is contagious.
@zoktoberfest
@zoktoberfest 4 ай бұрын
I've resided in the mile high city of Edwardsville, for some time now. I can say without a doubt, this is a realm my mind prefers to live in. I always leave with more than I came with.
@mrinalkundu1521
@mrinalkundu1521 4 ай бұрын
Elvin Jones - off the scale importance to RnR drummers, with the possible exception of Keith Moon. Ringo famously dismissed Modern Jazz drumming in early interviews, but that was more in homage to Chuck Berry. He clearly grew up listening to Jazz drummers - including Elvin. It’s why he was the go-to drummer in Liverpool before he joined the Beatles. Jimi Hendrix is guaranteed to raise a smile.
@BBlooger
@BBlooger 4 ай бұрын
Brilliant discussion. Very cool.
@sweetlandmusic2023
@sweetlandmusic2023 4 ай бұрын
I love this channel. It is real & brilliant. Thanks Andy 🙂
@dmkinsey
@dmkinsey 3 ай бұрын
As far as Hendrix: I'm 65 now and I listened to classic rock radio for years and I have heard all the Hendrix I need. I can't listen to any more. The guy passed on 50 years ago. No wonder "the kids" don't know about him.
@jake6887
@jake6887 3 ай бұрын
They have Kayne West now as their big idol 😢
@diegocruz5637
@diegocruz5637 3 ай бұрын
I've been digging deep into Earth Wind and Fire lately, really blown away by their discography. Waiting yourr video about them!
@madmaf6011
@madmaf6011 4 ай бұрын
Thanks Andy, enjoyed that so much.
@aminahmed2220
@aminahmed2220 4 ай бұрын
What a fantastic video have a wonderful day Andy ❤❤❤❤❤❤😊😊😊😊😊😊
@SwampEye1
@SwampEye1 4 ай бұрын
I guess I would have cried holding Bonzo's drum cases ....
@stevebell5017
@stevebell5017 3 ай бұрын
Great show andy
@colinburroughs9871
@colinburroughs9871 4 ай бұрын
Awesome intro story about the kit. I feel the vibes from here!
@JamesZweck-qw9gm
@JamesZweck-qw9gm 4 ай бұрын
Every person is influenced by everyone and everything that they come into contact with. You as well have an influence, small or large, over everyone you come across. No person is 100% pure and we are all better for it. Much love Andy
@Hartlor_Tayley
@Hartlor_Tayley 4 ай бұрын
Albert Heath. Wow 🙏🏻 Rest In Peace. End of an era.
@scottdraper1822
@scottdraper1822 4 ай бұрын
Great chat! Thanx
@henryhay9543
@henryhay9543 4 ай бұрын
E njoyed this myth bursting episode very much. Thank you Andy.
@georgedantz3617
@georgedantz3617 4 ай бұрын
Putting content on KZfaq get's one to know more about human nature. Keep up the honest and interesting stuff Andy.💯👍
@CBCDs
@CBCDs 4 ай бұрын
Thanks Andy
@sfmag1
@sfmag1 4 ай бұрын
catch the mystery catch the drift
@dickranmarsupialmusic3184
@dickranmarsupialmusic3184 4 ай бұрын
This is the best, most intelligent, honest, and interesting video I have watched for years. Thank you Andy Edwards!
@PaulBergen
@PaulBergen 4 ай бұрын
Never leave the long form! Its the only way that your or any nuanced arguments can reach fruition and propagate (other than the rare aphorism). Your experience on getting argumentative online happened to me as well. I find that any short form apps like twitter or facebook etc naturally tend towards extremism - thought I was immune until I found myself overreacting to something - so now I forswear all but absolutely necessary apps. Plus the more time here means the less time in the real world. Your videos are the exception - thoughtful, provocative and life enhancing due to their educational value. Never stop.
@edgardoplasencia511
@edgardoplasencia511 4 ай бұрын
The Apology ? It sounds like part III of an imaginary prog rock suite.... the bit with the recorder solo and slide guitar...
@ulfskjol
@ulfskjol 4 ай бұрын
Andy, we need you! To provoke us and make us think, reflect, perhaps revise our opinions! Thank you!
@SpookyLuvCookie
@SpookyLuvCookie 3 ай бұрын
I think it'd be amusing to put Radiohead in the underrated list haha. --- seriously though, amazing video Andy. So many brilliant ideas, information and heart-warming passion. Lovely.
@CBell-dt3pv
@CBell-dt3pv 3 ай бұрын
I think a primer or introduction to minimalism could make for an interesting topic! Keep up the great work.. These Sunday videos are always thought provoking!
@josexavierjr.5633
@josexavierjr.5633 3 ай бұрын
I get it Andy, I really do! You cover some very complex topics within music, and you do a great job. Keep up the great work!! 👍🥁🥁👌. BTW, thanks for the video clip of “Boys” at the end!!!
@Captain_Rhodes
@Captain_Rhodes 4 ай бұрын
Dont be scared to be wrong, and dont be scared to be right. Just because people seem to outnumber you, it doesnt mean you are wrong. Its good to listen and talk with humour
@AndrewjWilson
@AndrewjWilson 4 ай бұрын
Excellent
@AndyEdwardsDrummer
@AndyEdwardsDrummer 4 ай бұрын
Thanks
@laughingfurry
@laughingfurry 4 ай бұрын
As usual, I came in expecting to say one thing and hear you talking about what I don't expect. Probably my favorite thing about your videos. You're often unexpected in what you say and do. Thinking a bit more about what you said. It's like what I've heard people say in relation to the seeth of time. I'm not sure I'm spelling that right. Another thought is in relation to classical and similar. We can name people like Mozart, yet we don't know how many other composers or performers were his contemporaries, aside from the popular. A thought I had since finding that I can't get information related to the original composer of Scarborough Fair. I actually want to do a video on that song, yet my attempts at research always have a dead end.
@RichardCThurston
@RichardCThurston 4 ай бұрын
Yippee! Philosophy Sunday! Going to be difficult to top last week’s effort.
@RobinHood5045
@RobinHood5045 4 ай бұрын
At 51:50, Rudy Vallée. Yes. A very influential singer. As were Gene Austin, and Russ Columbo too. Not many have heard of them now.
@jelk1188
@jelk1188 4 ай бұрын
Good ol’ Lou Donaldson. So many likeable and accessible albums. You know you have won an argument when debate ceases and insults begin.
@minkahl1644
@minkahl1644 4 ай бұрын
I wonder if Andy will lift Uriah Heep or Iron Butterfly to the upcoming overrated & underrated videos. At least those two in their musical richness and creativity, are the first to come to mind being musically superior and diverse to some of the most famous and popular bands and clearly being omitted when they shouldn't. Except in Slavic countries, in Japan or Europe these are way more appreciated than just within the anglosphere, which seems to have so often favoured bands keeping within more narrow styles. The flock behaviour of consumers building the popular culture. Most people seem to have a very superficial knowledge of the music the mentioned bands did and don't know how creative they truly were. Progressing music toward Punk(live), Psychedelia, Heavy Rock, almost Heavy Metal, Symphonic Rock, Progressive Rock, Psych Pop, Psych Blues, Melodic Rock (expanding from the blues scales) and more. But they did get big audiences so all is good. It's just comparatively, in relation to their creativity they should be just as popular or more than some of the 'biggest' ones. But that's just not how the crowds work.
@YtuserSumone-rl6sw
@YtuserSumone-rl6sw 4 ай бұрын
Already by 1970 IB had on the "Metamorphosis" album moved to prog blues, funk rock along with prog rock. Such a short period for the band, such a vast scope of styles and songs. The public could hardly keep up with them always on the frontline.
@MettleHurlant
@MettleHurlant 3 ай бұрын
I think music, art, literature, cinema, or any creative expression is a product of the culture as a whole. Its mythology is also created by that culture over time. We seem to be stuck in a loop where everything between the 60s and 80s gets mythologized and we haven’t moved forward.
@GarthMcCook
@GarthMcCook 4 ай бұрын
I meant to go to bed an hour ago but couldn't ... I found your chat fascinating and I don't even know anything about Jazz (although I do have a few CDs somewhere) ... and could have listened to another hour!
@mikeydflyingtoaster
@mikeydflyingtoaster 3 ай бұрын
I can confirm people have changed their mind following discussions in KZfaq comments sections because I have. I initially agreed with your position that The Sex Pistols are more influential than The Ramones but I was persuaded that I was wrong as I think they had more influence upon the later pop-punk/so-cal scene which took over the world
@vortexpilot5096
@vortexpilot5096 4 ай бұрын
Ah, culture is what it is and shifts as it does. I still have my heroes and they will remain so because they changed me -- for real, for the better. They're part of me.
@arzabael
@arzabael 3 ай бұрын
Wow. I didn’t know what this video was gonna be about I guess. A third video on that subject because it’s required. I can’t believe that. I really, can’t believe that the answer is no, on KZfaq you may not have a nuanced opinion. That distinction is really rocking my world this morning.
@bradbridges8733
@bradbridges8733 3 ай бұрын
If this channel ever goes down I shall be massively disappointed... Love your discussions, Andy!
@Hartlor_Tayley
@Hartlor_Tayley 4 ай бұрын
The greatest used drumheads Ranked.
@2thsch
@2thsch 4 ай бұрын
Roy Haynes is alive, 99 yrs old
@yinoveryang4246
@yinoveryang4246 4 ай бұрын
Few enjoy having their taste scrutinised or questioned. What doesn't occur to people, is that their own personal preference for the finest, is brought about simply by a few very straightforward factors: 1. "This music resonated with me the most, therefore it must be outstanding." 2. "This music IMPRESSED me in some way, much more than most, hence it must be superior." It's a self-centered perspective, isn't it? One that nourishes the narcissistic inclination within most individuals. The earliest self-appointed taste arbiters were of course music journalists. Back then, their influence was huge, one granted merely on the basis of writing prowess, rather than any inherent musical expertise. A somewhat absurd scenario, one that should have occurred to most people, you would've throught . The advantage with KZfaq, is that we can begin to get the sense of how individual our tastes actually are.
@Leo_ofRedKeep
@Leo_ofRedKeep 4 ай бұрын
You forgot an extremely important one: 3. This music attracts a crowd I want to be a part of so I guess I like it.
@adude9882
@adude9882 4 ай бұрын
I was once on stage with Barry Manilow. Beat That!
@DarkSideOfTheMoule
@DarkSideOfTheMoule 3 ай бұрын
I found it interesting what you said at 10 mins into the video about art being nuanced (and therefore not falling into either of the 'black' or 'white' polar extremes. I think good art, including music, poetry and visual can bridge the gaps between extremes and challenge people at the extremes so they revise their position. However, there is also lots of bad art in the world that doesn't achieve this!
@danielsolano602
@danielsolano602 4 ай бұрын
I love the point about free jazz and it's connection to rock. It reminds me of an interview I heard a little while back by our MC5 guitar player Wayne Kramer. Rest in peace Wayne! he mentioned free jazz as a huge influence to how he approached his form of rock music which was definitely not to please or necessarily be on the radio you know! So anyway, I wonder if good old Wayne qualifies as a myth yet.😉
@jonathanstewart7838
@jonathanstewart7838 4 ай бұрын
Andy, I think to help you understand this more read E H Carr: What is History. The premise of this debate is based on how we view not only music but its cultural impact in this case on western societies. This extraordinary book published in 1961 brings an objective view on not so much what history is but how we understand it. It teaches you to look at facts in context and objectively on all subjects. I read this many years ago, there is nothing in it specifically about music but it gives you the tools, the disciplines to discuss a range of subjects based on objective truths.
@callmejeffbob
@callmejeffbob 4 ай бұрын
I did not realize that Albert "Tootie" Heath had passed away... RIP. I had the pleasure of seeing the Heath Bros. (w/ Stanley Cowell on piano) in the early 1980s. But as far as other great musicians from that era that are still with us, aside from Sonny Rollins (born 1930, stopped playing about 9 or 10 years ago) , there are Benny Golson (born 1929) and Roy Haynes (born 1925).
@user-ym6nx3dn2z
@user-ym6nx3dn2z 4 ай бұрын
I still have your Yamaha Stage Custom Kit in Mahogany / Falcata which I bought in the Uk in 2000 - it is the most beautiful and well-rounded kit and everyone comments positively..
@mysteriousoul
@mysteriousoul 4 ай бұрын
Great chat! Really like the idea that jazz (now moving the dial just past the bebop era) is moving into the mythical phase. Soon Motown, the Beatles, Cream, Hendrix & Led Zeppelin will start moving into that historical vortex too. On the overrated topic, would love to know what you think of Bowie, Tom Waits, Joni Mitchell and Kate Bush.
@ganazby
@ganazby 4 ай бұрын
That kit was the anvil of the gods. Had Robert also given to you a pair of John Bonham’s drum sticks, you would have been in possession of the hammers of the gods. Who would dare wield such power?
@jackdolphy8965
@jackdolphy8965 4 ай бұрын
Fabulous, Andy. Streaming consciousness of drums history. Of your history. Absolutely those items of Bonham’s are sacred, I know that sounds precious…But it’s Bonham! Donate that stuff to MIM in Phoenix, they understand this, for the future. I sank and teared up when I heard the news about Tootie Heath. Love your takes on these things. Jazz is not Black music, duh! Wind at your back brother. 🙏🏼
@philt4346
@philt4346 3 ай бұрын
Dire Straits, exactly. Play four-note chords in fingerstyle and that stuff drops out of the guitar while you're fitting new strings.
@davidwhiteford4936
@davidwhiteford4936 3 ай бұрын
Although there is a limit to how much we can get wrong, practically it is impossible to ever realize that state of affairs within the context of the collective human lifespan, despite the billions of people whom have apparently devoted their lives to constantly attempting to reach it! We are nothing if not explorers, ever driven to search for what doesn't exist over the next horizon, and to confabulate a view which we report to those still engaged in climbing the mountain of discovery. "Science" Da da de da.
@matthewcoombs3282
@matthewcoombs3282 4 ай бұрын
11:00 youtube sadly is not a platform for nuance Andy. But appreciate you have the stones to take on these subjects
@ozmonaut1
@ozmonaut1 3 ай бұрын
The bit about Queen is so true, Queen during the eighties were a joke, like Elton John or Cliff Richard, they were the sort of music your Nana liked
@gcustis
@gcustis 4 ай бұрын
Now you got it my friend, we just don’t know. But Music(Art) seems to be a language that allows us to express things that our spoken language cannot express (at least very well). We’re better off focusing on that, at least that’s what I have found/believe. Who’s better/lesser, older/newer, original/derivative doesn’t matter or only does for a short time. We came up in an era that has pasted and our views are naturally shaped by that era. I think I’m about 10 years older than you and even that short a time my favs are different than yours. Keep going your doing something special. There are two kinds of music, what moves you and then all the rest - Louis Armstrong
@timhewtson6212
@timhewtson6212 4 ай бұрын
I think this extemporizing on matters of musical philosophy is highly entertaining. Please continue, although I am now going round and round as to whether myth is more abstracted than legend or vice-versa. I would have put them together as both being beyond the possibility of proof and evidence, but I may be wrong. Where I feel on more solid ground is questioning whether the US is the most powerful empire the world has ever seen. It has been dominant in the world for 80 years, whereas the Roman Empire lasted from 48 BCE until 1456 AD - 1,500 years. If you think that the Roman Empire collapsed around 450 AD, it in fact just transferred to Constantinople because that was where the money was, with hundreds more emperors equally as wacky as depicted in 'I, Claudius.' Even after Claudius, there were tens of crazy emperors just during their Rome residence. Las Vegas with blood-soaked ground. As for Brian May, he is just such a nice guy, isn't he? And he has that sound, and that gently modulated voice and that hair. And Queen were such an exuberant and eclectic band. They were the modern man version of the super-Neanderthal Led Zeppelin. Which is not to suggest that Led Zeppelin were unsophisticated or anything, just that they grunted a lot while Queen soared to operatic heights and then played 'Fat-Bottomed Girls,' and fat-bottomed girls never felt fat-shamed at all, just seen. Now that is a trick for the modern world!
@matthewashman1406
@matthewashman1406 4 ай бұрын
Yeah queen were the best mash up of the Beatles/ Zepplin
@AndyEdwardsDrummer
@AndyEdwardsDrummer 4 ай бұрын
Yes, I was trying to explain how our perception moves way from us. So possibly it would be News>History>Legend>Myth
@Leo_ofRedKeep
@Leo_ofRedKeep 4 ай бұрын
@@AndyEdwardsDrummer Myth and legend are the same thing. Myth comes from the Greek word for "story" while "legend" comes from the Latin for "a lesson to be read" ("legenda") and took form around the fantastic stories of saints in the middle ages.
@cbolt4492
@cbolt4492 4 ай бұрын
45:20 Great anecdote
@cbolt4492
@cbolt4492 4 ай бұрын
The Ted Heath band doesn't get spoken of enough (or anywhere else for that matter...)
@gr500music6
@gr500music6 3 ай бұрын
Around 6:35. The Sasha and the Zamani. So true.
@billspectre9502
@billspectre9502 4 ай бұрын
I really didn’t have any problem with your jazz/black music video. You made some good points. I didn’t agree totally or disagree totally. You’re on to something. Now I’m old enough to remember when The Yardbirds were having hits and that curmudgeon from Belfast also. I threw out all of my stuff from him and Eric also. The final straw was seeing him posing with the governor of Texas. I may still listen to Cream on occasion might not. I guess my point is that it’s not all young people who are dismissing those fools. Of course most young people don’t have a clue who Van is. Not in the States.
@PentUpPentatonics
@PentUpPentatonics 3 ай бұрын
Best of luck with the finances. Your channel will only grow if you keep doing what you’re doing!
@sashaames9952
@sashaames9952 3 ай бұрын
Hey Andy, you clearly nailed it here!!! Just some comments: - As far as the US Constitution goes, at first if anything, it protected slavery as interpreted by the courts, and took 13-15th amendments to free and protect the former slaves. as the reconstruction period failed, the Southern states found ways to bypass the 14-15th until the 60s civil rights legislation, the people had to persevere for many years , "We shall Overcome!!" - Man, be careful with "Country ain't White Music", in some parts those country fans also like to buy guns. No joke, in rural VT ( also home state to Bernie Sanders), we heard guns going off during the total eclipse!
@AndyEdwardsDrummer
@AndyEdwardsDrummer 3 ай бұрын
Wow...Jimmy Rogers and Hank Williams playing Blues tunes and yet they think it;'s white music...nuts...
@edwardyazinski3858
@edwardyazinski3858 3 ай бұрын
And oh man do i ever dislike Nugent, but still get off on Stranglehold! (Used to do our wrestling warmups to that before matches back in hs)
@willdenham
@willdenham 3 ай бұрын
I knew what they were the minute he said 68' and Ludwig. And I'm not a drummer.
@misterknightowlandco
@misterknightowlandco 4 ай бұрын
You got to play John Bonham kit? Holy shyt how awesome was that!?!?!?! I think that makes your music opinions automatically correct 👍.
@JJJJJVVVVVLLLLL
@JJJJJVVVVVLLLLL 4 ай бұрын
Liszt’s Hungarian Rhapsodies imo have a stride pulse… I feel like I can hear jazz beginning to take form there. strictly one opinion fwiw but there ya go
@riffmondo9733
@riffmondo9733 4 ай бұрын
Great episode. Looking forward to the 10 overrated/underrated bands. I would think there would be dozens in each category.
@paulhenderson2653
@paulhenderson2653 4 ай бұрын
The big conspicuous absence from your thesis which is specifically designed to throw a spanner in its works is the institutional imposition of the values and principles of the conservatoire. Conservatoires are designed to stop certain types of music going from myth to legend to obscurity by conserving them. I sometimes think that the downside of the conservatoire mindset is that when anything is 100% conserved it can neither be created nor destroyed. And, paradoxically, taking creativity out of art destroys it!
@eximusic
@eximusic 4 ай бұрын
Since the advent of writing, there are many things that don't needlessly fall into the realm of myth. We have a ton of contemporary information about Alexander the Great for example, and zero contemporary information about Jesus (lots of info a generation later that probably falls into myth). Palestine was not an extremely literate place in the 1st century. We know a lot about the poet John Keats, early 19th century. Why? He wrote lots of letters which we have in collections, and his friends wrote lots of letters which we also have (The Keats Circle). The birth of jazz is more recent than that, a century more recent. Jelly Roll Morton and Louis Armstrong also wrote letters. It's through Jelly Roll Morton's letter to Robert Ripley of Ripley's Believe It Or Not that we learn of his claim that he invented jazz. Then we have musicologist, Alan Lomax, (and his father before him) that went around collecting field recordings in the deep south forever preserving early blues, jazz, field hollers, etc. And . . . Lomax recorded the first oral history of jazz. Much of that shows up in the book Mister Jelly Roll. While Morton was a myth maker himself, many of the accounts of events are given by other eyewitnesses in the footnotes. I'm old enough to have heard an oral history of bebop given by Max Roach at our table at Catalina's Bar and Grill in Hollywood where he was playing in the 80s. He told everyone at our table about the early days of Minton's Playhouse and the after hours jam sessions that created bebop. So I would be a second hand source of that information if I had been more sober and remembered everything he said. I also saw Elvin Jones, McCoy Tyner, Joe Henderson, Billy Higgins, Jackie McLean, Bobby Hutcherson, and countless others at the same venue in the 80s. Most of those people are no longer with us. I saw the original Modern Jazz Quartet, Sonny Rollins, Lionel Hampton, and Ornette Coleman all play concerts at the Ambassador Auditorium in Pasadena. Biographies are still being written about these people and information gathered from family members and 1st hand sources. All that to say, things don't fall into myth that quickly in modern times. Of course idiots and conspiracy theorists can create stories about Elvis and Jim Morrison within a couple years of their death. But we have tons of solid information on the 20th century. We're not limited to Homeric oral traditions. Newspaper archives, birth and death records, photographs, actual music recordings, almanac records all supplement the first-hand eyewitness accounts, letter correspondences, autobiographical information, and passed down stories to second hand relatives, fans, and musicologists. Then add film from about the 30s on, and television after that.
@Leo_ofRedKeep
@Leo_ofRedKeep 4 ай бұрын
Homer, the poet who seldom left his house, was called "blind" by his contemporaries because he barely saw any of the stuff he was talking about. Everyone back then knew he was an avid collector of press articles but the myth of an age old "oral tradition" was just the better story ;)
@jonathanstewart7838
@jonathanstewart7838 4 ай бұрын
Won't hold up in a court of law Andy: noun: hearsay information received from other people which cannot be substantiated; rumour. "according to hearsay, Bez had managed to break his arm
@lupcokotevski2907
@lupcokotevski2907 4 ай бұрын
Some people significantly use bands for self validation, so naturally they will get upset if you criticise those bands. The rationalisation and denial you see when Led Zeppelin's plagiarism is mentioned is sad, for example. Investing one's self esteem too much in musicians is questionable, especially when those musicians have not set a generally accepted good standard of behaviour.
@yinoveryang4246
@yinoveryang4246 4 ай бұрын
No one likes having their taste questioned…
@lupcokotevski2907
@lupcokotevski2907 4 ай бұрын
@@yinoveryang4246 Indeed. Judging someone's taste negatively with serious intent presumes that you have some superior wisdom.
@yinoveryang4246
@yinoveryang4246 4 ай бұрын
@@lupcokotevski2907 Surely. Read my reply on the main thread which I done just wrote.
@lupcokotevski2907
@lupcokotevski2907 4 ай бұрын
@@yinoveryang4246 No worries. Currently having breakfast! Cheers.
@thomasthorsett3132
@thomasthorsett3132 3 ай бұрын
Andy's in Dire Straights AND thinks they're overrated? Whoah.
@steffenroth501
@steffenroth501 4 ай бұрын
Isn`t Roy Haynes still alive, who played and recorded with Charlie Parker, Monk etc. ? It would be sensational if you ( or Rick Beato) could do an with interview him.
@geoffccrow2333
@geoffccrow2333 4 ай бұрын
Ok. Got my Pen ready this time
@Randgalf
@Randgalf 3 ай бұрын
Standing behind Robert Plant tossing Bonzo's drum cases at you. That just about beats any other possible drum experience, doesn't it.
@AndyEdwardsDrummer
@AndyEdwardsDrummer 3 ай бұрын
Yep...pretty much
@jonathanstewart7838
@jonathanstewart7838 4 ай бұрын
A great stream of consciousness video. William Faulkner would truly approve.
@scottmyers9360
@scottmyers9360 4 ай бұрын
Big difference between stream-of-consciousness (Andy, Kerouac) and pretentious, confusing blathering (Faulkner....ugh)!
@justlookingaround9834
@justlookingaround9834 3 ай бұрын
Is it John Bonham or John Bottom as the auto text displayed. I think he would have been even bigger with Bottom as his sir name.
@syn707
@syn707 3 ай бұрын
No longer employed? I’ve been wondering what was going on with ‘that.’ Also, what’s going on there in your music room? I see two kits and a wall with a drape (obviously sound treatment).
@petercicco4360
@petercicco4360 4 ай бұрын
Right/Wrong? What's the point of free speech, unless you're free to speak. if nothing else, you've been thought provoking. Keep on bringin' it, Andy.
@BBlooger
@BBlooger 4 ай бұрын
Would be great to hear you talk about your favourite Hip Hop albums.
@briandillon8041
@briandillon8041 Ай бұрын
Philosophy Sunday is my favorite. ❤And it shouldn’t be racist to notice things.😊
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