Yeah, that's really weird. Is there more information behind that decision? My gut tells me there has to be.

you're right they should take Lund's wins back

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Agreed. It certainly wouldn't bother me if they did, because Jeff Gordon ended up getting 93, therefore still making him 3rd on NASCAR's all-time wins list in Cup. NASCAR may have flubbed the rules back then, but Bobby did win the race fair and square according to NASCAR's standards.

@@nascarfanatic2425 nascar doesn't have standards. Nascar don't like ford's and nascar doesn't like the Alabama gang. Bill France did what he could to award shivvy drivers trophys..

nascar's decisions are usually slanted in the France families "the People's car's" direction.

Well, we really don't have a choice now... it's either run those or start running glorified hatchbacks on stilts with plastic cladding that carmakers have the audacity to refer to as "SUVs"... (speaking as someone who has one of the said glorified hatchbacks)

@@DiRF I'm telling you, Mazda to NASCAR. It's the future LMFAO

@@aaronkristofer18 That's an extremely weird coincidence, because the "glorified hatchback" SUV I own is, indeed, a Mazda. And I quite like it, for that matter.

@@DiRF Team Mazdaspeed baby. Imagine a Mazda6 stock car LOL

Well, with the new chassis rules, we may even see Dodge Chargers, Honda Civics and BMW M3's if the bitches in charge of said OEM's decides to stop with the retarded ideas of bringing Electric Hydrogen cars with no sound and more dangerous to nature due to battery cells not being recyclable.

Nope Bobby Allison knew that at some of the micro tracks like Bowman Gray no longer used for NACAR Cup , were advantageous to the small lighter cars that had a smaller turning radius and with lighter weight so they could turn easier, however Bobby was not one of the ones sticking to the cars they have always raced for fear of backlash and registered to race in the smaller series. If Tiny Lund could get those wins in a non Modified series, not the points but the wins added then so should Bobby Allison have the right awarded. However at that first year of racing with the two series at these micro tracks there was so much anger at Grand National for allowing American National to be in the same series that at the time the wins would have never have been given for fear of the rest of the Grand National series threat of backing out of the rest of the Micro tracks, not that NASCAR was going to stay at these tracks much longer but NOBODY knew this including the officials in charge of the season.

When nobody else was back in the 1960s, Bobby Allison drove Chevelles with small blocks ! what do you think?

@@caseysmith544 You make good points, but nascar allowed those cars and said ok to use before the race. Then decided to move the goal posts so to speak after the race, typical nascar favoritism.

"the whole way home." Good ol' Italy. Daniel, your Brother, says, it is the best place he has ever seen.....

Sounds like me and my brother today, I'm a Larson fan and he's a Truex fan. He hates Larson and I don't care much for Truex. We were on the edge of our seats for the 2021 finale.

You had an awesome race. I watched it. You are a great driver

I remember that race.

1992 season was great. the underbird won

HOOTERS

Great idea. Who would play Kulwicki and who would play Allison? Obviously, there would be more drivers portrayed, especially Elliot. Now I am racking my brain thinking of who would fill those roles.

And Waltrip would be the villain. He damn near killed Davey and kept him from cruising to the title.

ABSOLUTELY. ANY ONE and EVERYONE who has the mental capacity to ADD ONE to the former established total , has NO DIFFICULTY in arriving at the NEW TOTAL with ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY. BOBBY ALLISON , Y O U are C O R R E C T , and NASCAR is WRONG.

Especially considering Richard won 200 races and one was with an illegal motor.

Wait.....they literally forgot to contiue the race?

@@vanguardtrainer924 They didn't forget. It was a combination of bad weather, poor track conditions, and no opportunity for a make-up date.

And Lee Petty red flagged it

When nascar stopped racing "stockcars", they started building poney or compact race cars. Example my 62 Chevy Nova weighed 2750. Present day nascar's about 3400 lbs.

-S1apSh0es

Yeah but at least there was A winner of that race. If they don't wanna give the win to Bobby then give it to somebody.

waltrip still finished third In that race

waltrip cheated so much just ask him

@@jdhaynes9887 Oh I know

Just "needlessly complicated rules" period.

Happened in the Modified series too, a modified body Porsche that was used for some Rally series was in the Modified series in 1970's being even more modified due to almost no rules at the time for Modified series. Only rules were engines could not be more then a single 8 cylinder or two 4 cylinder engines in tandem or one in front of the other to prevent people from taking more then one V8 engine and sticking it in a car and these cars had to have a solid metal/steel roof of a minimum specific size, with maybe a maximum gas tank size as well for the tracks. This is why you see in some older Modified races of the 1970's, some older Indy/Cart Cars racing in Modified but with a solid metal/steel roof either made big enough to the specs for the series or got stock from a production car added to save time.

@@caseysmith544 Those cars ended up becoming Super Modifieds as NASCAR started to put some rules into the Modified division. "Converted" Sprint cars were big in the Super Mod's in the midwest.

@@DDS029 Yep I agree, but then Even Super mModifieds got its own car models in Midwest and northeast with the car shape wing and engine on the side. There is no longer a modified series like the Super Modfiedes used to be in until the mid 1990's where the cars have say strict engine max in size and cylinder with an anybody goes modified racing series. There was another modified series in the USA that NASCAR during the 2000's had where they were small 4 cylinder cars that were smaller cars based off the versions of late 1940's NASCAR Modified Stock cars before the cars in the series in the 1960's disappeared for the more modified designs of cars that were moving to the body style we see now, when NASCAR made the body style requirements in the 1980's. The Drivers in that It seems gone by mid 2010's were to be no older then 18 in the series and as young as 12 to get the drivers started into NASCAR driving on some smaller oval parts of the NASCAR Cup Tracks that some tracks had for local smaller Kart racing or for other sports car race series like the Can Am one that sometimes used a curved in spot on the track when racing to slow the cars down.

It was at first GN L/R, for left and right. They were thinking of using them for Cup road course racing. Owners didn't like the idea of added expense of building cars to use, at the time, twice a year. With Riverside being the first and last races of each season, a lot of non-factory teams left their car with a West team. They would do the going over, and minor repairs to the car for the opening race for the next season. Then bring it back home aftef the January race. If you look at the official stats you'll see that those teams usually ran "year old" cars, unless there were minor cosmetic changes to update it.

GOOD PICK !!!!! I know of NO BETTER CHOICE.

If so, credit Bobby with 86 because of the fiasco at Nashville when the pace car picked up the wrong guy (Cale) and put Bobby in the back of the field. Bobby won that race.

@@edmiller8396 Everyone also forgets the 1988 Richmond race where Neil Bonnett was a lap down after pit stops but they forgot and gave him the win. Ricky Rudd was the actual winner of that race, but with Bonnett winning the next 2 races, one of them in Australia, and doing it on Hoosiers people just ignore it.

I've said that to the people I know. Also suggested that if local tracks are going to run 5 or 6 divisions with 8 or so cars in each they ought to consider it there. If Prototypes and GT type cars can do it, why not at least try.

My opinion is that if NASCAR allowed cars like that, then it wasn't from another division. (Series, in this sense to me, would be a non-NASCAR car.) ARCA and USAC for a long time had different rules for tracks a mile or less. You were allowed to run a "big track" car on short tracks, but you couldn't run the short track legal cars on the big tracks, for most of the time. Also for them when car counts started to drop they also changed. Some ARCA pony cars ran in the '69 Talladega race.

It is! It must be a scene from a support race held the same day.

Yes, Porsches were raced in Grand American. Someone even raced a Mini Cooper once

@@nascarmanHistory Wow, thank you!

Could you imagine how bent out of shape everybody would be if someone leadfooted a mini onto the top podium.

You likely haven't been around long enough . . . with age comes remembering useless info like the things that clog my old brain.

Larry Pearson certainly would approve.

@@sludge4125 yes I think he answered that question for everyone

@@reginaldhall6871 It should break our hearts that his accident put his family in deep medical debt.

I would have AGREED back in their prime !!!!! BOBBY"S career ending crash, A N D near death ,however , makes that HEAD TO HEAD, event impossible >

@@genehollon1472 there would be nothing better than seeing two old geezers going at it. but you do bring up a good point. they would have to be modified cars so that they dont have to crawl in through the window. and maybe governed to 120mph

A lot of foreign cars were legal for Cup road courses when they first started running them in the 50's also. Then foreign cars made a bit of a comeback in the Dash Series. In this case they allowed them because of the intent of the L/R cars, to be road racing Cup cars, which was then renamed Grand American as a division of their own.

They were to good with that as there was no definitive proof since they couldn't find the bolts. If they were "special" bolts, they were likely changed after the initial inspection. If I recollect proper, I think Gary Nelson was crew chief on that car.

@@DDS029 I think you’re right Gary Nelson was old school. I think Gary at one time worked for Junior Johnson which explains a lot lol. I do know Gary prepared the car that Greg Sacks one his only Winston cup race in in 1985 beating Bill Elliott in the firecracker 400 at Daytona who was on fire that year. Nelson or at least his car owner I forget who got that car from Harry Rainer that Cale drove and before the race Waddell Wilson went and talked to Greg Sacks and said Greg this is how you drive this car. Sacks said he was scared to death. Now I’m not mechanically inclined enough to explain this but Bill Elliott said in 85 that it wasn’t the aerodynamics that was winning them races they could have done the same thing in a Chevrolet. The late Smokey Yunick said Elliott had a trick rear differential and it was rigged so during the race it would pop out and act like like an independent suspension plus they might have had a way of bending the front axle slightly idk. All I know is in Bills slow southern draw said everybody’s talking about aerodynamics but that ain’t it. I do know Bobby was upset because Nelson and the team owner were experimenting with things and not giving attention to his team. As far as sacks goes that was a car that Cale use to drive prepared. by Waddell Wilson and the late Smokey Yunick once said everybody talks about what a good engine builder Waddell is and he is but it’s amazing how much Waddell knows about aerodynamics. I believe that’s why Harry Rainer had such a hard time convincing Waddell to switch to a a Ford because Waddell knew what to do to keep the Chevrolet on the ground. Ford said they wanted Waddell to help develop the Windsor engine for racing but I think that was just a smoke screen to get Cale and and Waddell out of the Chevrolet so Ford could be home free in 85 but that’s just my opinion I could be totally wrong but I do know crew chiefs like Gary Nelson and Waddell don’t exist anymore and it’s a crying shame.

@@edmondcamp2878 Ford never raced the Windsor engine in the Cup series. It was the Cleveland and it was some kind of variation of it. The 351 Cleveland was a great engine too. Bob Glidden dominated Pro Stock drag racing with it for almost ten years, being penalized by the sanctioning body all the time. I think Ford started getting the new heads finished in 82 or 83 and that really helped.

@@stealthbomber2126 I was under the impression that Ford approached Harry Rainer and said they wanted them to help develop the Windsor engine for racing but I’m sure you’re probably right. I just always thought the reason Ford approached Rainer was because Waddell Wilson was the only one that had the Chevrolet figured out and knew what to do to keep it on the ground. Smokey Yunick said Waddell was a heck of and engine builder but it was amazing what he knew about aerodynamics. Plus Cale Yarborough wasn’t afraid to drive anything and get everything he could get out of it. I don’t want to keep beating dead horse (No pun intended) but when Smokey use to write for circle track magazine he said Earnie Elliott was a great engine builder but that wasn’t why Bill was outrunning everybody in 1985. According to Smokey the Elliotts had a trick rear differential and it would some how come out during the race and become like an independent suspension. If you remember when the 83 Ford came out Bill out Bill and Earnie stayed with the 82 and kept outrunning all the 83 fords and when Bill was dominating in 1985 he kept saying we could do the same thing in a Chevrolet with that notch back window. Remember Greg Sacks won the Daytona firecracker 400 with a Chevrolet that Bobby Allison’s team bought from Harry Rainer and Greg Nelson did all kind of things to make it competitive with the Ford’s. I just read this recently that Waddell Wilson went over to Nelson’s garage area and said Greg now this is how you drive this car. Please don’t make fun of my limited knowledge because I’m not the most mechanically inclined person in the world and you could write what I know about cars on a bubble gum rapper. The Windsor engine story is just what I heard at the time. May God bless you my friend.

Cost. The "pony cars" were originally intended to be road racing cars for the Cup series. Team didn't want to build totally different cars for only 2 road races at the time. So NASCAR spun off the ones that were built into the Grand American division.

Racing was their job, it's what they did for a living. You don't let people walk over you when it comes to your livelihood.

@@richardstephens5570 Not as much then what it is now