Hm... "if you take the attack action... as part of that action..." my goodness I do believe you're right. Obviously a DM might overrule it, but nice find... 9 attacks in a single round at 17 tyvm.

@@DnDDeepDive i'd allow it XD

This is a huge thing at our table. As a gloomstalker/echo knight, I take oodles of attacks in the first round and "take out the trash" so to speak. Allowing the rest of the party to focus fire on the big baddie. Gloomstalker is my favorite :)

I was a level 5 gloom stalker, level 3 assassin and level 2 fighter, with longbow and sharpshooter. Our party was attacking a group of giants. I was dropped onto a hill outside combat by our druid, then on the first round I nuked the boss from a distance doing something nuts like 170 dmg by stacking all the turn 1 bonuses. After that I had nothing and just fired arrows for piss poor damage for the rest of combat.

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I’m definitely doing that.

Who cares about advantage when you do poison of your type

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I considered this and artificer is an good option that fixes it. What about soulknife rogue with psychic blades? The rules say "Whenever you take the Attack action, you can manifest a psychic blade from your free hand and make the attack with that blade." This wouldn't be magical but almost nothing is resistant to psychic damage. This would also do an extra 2d6 per round with a 3 level dip but you coudn't do assassin later (which I wouldn't do anyway). If you don't like the idea of psychic blades appearing out of nowhere you could reskin them as blades you are pulling out of your sleeve.

Another problem is to face huge or larger creatures, in witch case you can't use nets. I don't now how to solve that

Returning Weapon also helps Poisoner dosages not become wasted on any misses. Then for your second infusion, Repeating Shot is a great alternate weapon packing a significant range increase. Put it on a Heavy Crossbow and now you don't necessarily have to go for CBE. Plenty of options for your BA in this build. 15ft max net range or even 60ft dart range often won't cut it. Eventually you and/or the enemies might be retreating due to low hps. Switch to your beefy d10 xbow and laugh as up to 400ft range still keeps you in the fight. Likely worth it in the same vain to take Artificer to 3 for Battlesmith. Now you have both dream reactions of Absorb Elements and Shield, and a Defender. Heroism to ignore fear--very nice package. Facing something too big to net in broad daylight? Faerie Fire has you covered...with a little luck. Might even counter some invisibility at some point. Two more issues with getting advantage dealt with. I could see Sanctuary coming in clutch too when you already have advantage in the dark, and would rather be safer after your turn than throwing one more dart. Or in tight corridors where the heavy crossbow's extra range won't matter...Chase and kite with Expeditious Retreat. Fantastic bonus option alternatives for when you aren't trying to nova. Which is most the time. This would probably be ideal if you know your DM doesn't use surprise often and isn't taking you to high levels. Stop at Fighter 5-6, and cut Rogue entirely. Artificer will likely be much more realistic improvements to the damage, survivability, and maybe even the burst. BM 5, Gloom 3, Battlesmith 3. Feeling solid here at level 11. Could reach Fighter 11 by 17, or just take it a bit further for feats. If Blood Hunter is allowed, dip 2-3 levels here. Crimson Rite will apply on every attack so long as you have the Returning infusion. Try to swap Fighting Styles so that BH takes Archery and Fighter/Ranger grab Blind Fighting. Now no one can hide from your combo. Ghostslayer is a clear winner if you're fighting lots of undead...though the bright weapon could really screw you. Order of Mutant for...+3 Int to really help with Artificer DCs like Faerie Fire. Or just become a Wererat and wig everybody out. Instead of imagining all the darts strapped to your limbs and inside your coat...pull out normal sized rats! From everywhere! Chuck them mercilessly! The last thing your foes will see are toxic rat teeth flying fang first at their face. Hail to the Nibbler.

Oh completely, next to a 2 level dip in fighter I think a 2 level dip in Artificer is probably the best two levels you can get.

I'm just laughing at the mental image of a character throwing and catching the same dart over and over again

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Came here to say this. Dread ambusher is amazing with action surge

Yes, Jeremey Crawford stated on twitter that was the case, and it makes sense in the context of the feature itself. It's tied to the attack action so each time you take the attack action it should give that extra attack.

Only if the darts also look like big bees.

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Ha ha nice! I really loved the Needler - still high on my list of characters I'd like to try in game - see it in action in our 10k Gauntlet if you haven't yet :) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gqdybNpk37KbmYk.html

The Blowj...

Probably a Goblin Battle Master/ Gloomstalker/ Assassin with Sharpshooter and Crossbow Expert.

Thanks - yes - not as bad as the Assasserer or probably the Grappler, but up there :). Ok will add to the list!

Thank you! Got some LotR ideas on the list now!

if you make your gandalf an elf, then you could be a bladesinger wizard... (also, gandalf is not hoomin, so there's that)

yes - the problem is one of time, more than anything, and also knowing if we just do a character sheet at level 20 (which doesn't feel that helpful to me, personally) or one at, say, 6, 9, 13, and 17, so you can see the progress (which exacerbates the time problem...)

@@DnDDeepDive I only used dnd Beyond as an example. Even Tulok style would help greatly, especially since you go very in depth on each decision and it helps keep a quick reminder of where we are and such. It is your time though and your videos are great regardless.

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There's one huge problem. Custom Lineage doesn't work like he builds so he couldn't take Elven Accuracy.

@@DnDDeepDive Id love to help you with this :D

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This^

Hard to pass up... and +1 from the get go is really nice... just so hard to get that 13 Int! But for sure a worthy consideration.

ooo, I like that.

This was what I was going to propose to my DM as an alternative to doing damage.

Right - the intent was to use one or the other, not both :). Glad you enjoyed!

Back in 2E, the real abuse was giving the optimized dart thrower a Dart of the Hornets Nest +1. When I was getting over 1,000 damage in one round with it, game was super broke.

@@halflbobeef Ha! I don't remember that item.

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best pick for canny imo.

Love the Bola!

What are you a tank commander?

Dueling only works with melee thrown weapons like daggers. Darts and nets are Ranged weapons.

Great synergy! And thanks :)

i played a similar build in the past. great burst build. i just rank with eldritch smite over divine smite and went with 1 rapier. went with warlock as they have an inbuilt advantage generator. i'll share my level 10 theorycrafted version: 2 fighter, 5 daolock, 3 assassin half-orc: piercer dueling misty visions, thirsting blade, eldritch smite tactics: pre-combat: walk around in stealth+misty visions to generate suprise 1st round: bonus action: spirit shroud action: 2 auto crit attacks at advantage action surge: 2 auto crit attacks at advantage + eldritch smite + sneak attack. lots of dmg dice indeed. spirit shroud gets me an extra 8d8 while eldritch smite is another 8d8 + prone. when i played it and i reach level 12 i went battlemaster 4 so i could do the lunging attack + crusher + brace combo on the opening round for a 5th attack and more maneuvers to add on each attack for more bonus dmg dice for crits.

yup. RAW sharpshooting net works. haha.

Hear hear!

t'would!

Thanks! Hm... I got very close to that here... kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jZ6VqcyDp5nQYHU.html

I've done 3 tank builds to date - the Armorer was the highest AC build, and I think we got to 33 with shield? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/q9uYiaqXvLfUhqM.html

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@@DnDDeepDive your HP build is easy. Hill Dwarf Totem Barbarian with Tough. At lvl 20 HP 340 as long as you have a 20 con before you hit lvl 20. For the AC 28 before spells and 35 with Shield of Faith and Shield but I think the top AC without a defender weapon is 32/34/39. 21 +3 plate 05 +3shield 02 Staff of Power 01 luck stone 01 cloak/ring of protection 01 Blessing of Protection 02 Shield of Faith (C) 05 shield 01 Defensive Fighting Style This Requires at least 1 lvl Sorcerer/Wizard or Warlock and at least 1 lvl Cleric W/h Heavy Armor if you choose Divine Soul Sorcerer your Heavy Armor can be from any class with it so take your level in Divine Soul as L2 and pick a class with good Armor and abilities that Boost AC.

It's a burst build. removing gloomstalker would hurt the build alot. gloomstalker and fighter is the core chassis. moreover, keeping the enemy in the net isn't important. it's just an option to generate advantage when he's in daylight (can't use umbral sight).

So just a curious question, the net does 0 bludgeoning damage and you would not give it the bonuses. What about the blowgun that does 1 piercing? As it also does not have a roll.

@@daviddrake5637 i addressed your question already with an edit in my initial comment =) Just to make sure I'm more clear though, if there is no rolling damage, then there is no damage roll.

I'd rule it this way as well. Nice breakdown.

"if the attack hits, you add +10 to the attacks damage" even if the net didn't list 0 damage, it is technically an attack, so you add it. Simple.

Love the idea.

This is how i do it as well. Artificer is the 3rd multiclass instead of rogue. You get a +1 too and more spellcasting.

Or lvl 6 kensei monk, you also get the benefit of a dart as a monk weapon and therefore you can use the 1d6!

@@rafaelb.m.4756 kensei is indeed a good option for starting at higher levels (tier 3) but for lower levels, artificer is the more efficient option.

Love it!