The Neurotic Type A Woman Trope, Explained
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Күн бұрынBig news! We've collaborated with Netflix to create “Take Two," a brand new series. Today's episode: Is the Happy Ending Over? Watch now on the @NetflixBehindTheStreams KZfaq channel! • The Happy Ending Is Ov... | “Type A” personalities onscreen are often embodied by neurotic women who live in constant conflict between their worries and their life plans, with a frantic energy most people can’t begin to match. From Friends’ Monica Geller, to Parks and Recreation’s Leslie Knope, to Brooklyn Nine-Nine’s Amy Santiago, we frequently see the neurotic Type A grappling with just how much she needs to be in control over every aspect of her life to feel secure. But it’s her struggles-and her relatable fears-that make her feel both complex and familiar. Here’s our Take on what makes the Neurotic Type A Woman tick, and what her journey says about understanding our inner selves.
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@tariqthomas9090 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I love this trope. These women are not only ambitious and successful but they usually care *so much* about the people in their lives, often keeping everything and everyone together. Amy Santiago, Monica Geller, and Leslie Knope in particular are some of my favorite characters.
@trinaq 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed, I identified SO much with these women growing up, plus Annie Edison, Topanga Lawrence and Tracy Flick. They might have anxious personalities, but at least they serve as positive role models to young girls everywhere that if they put their minds to their goals, they they can achieve ANYTHING! 👏🏾😍💪
@Rayan-pk3qt 3 жыл бұрын
They're not really the kind of women you want in your life, but the kind that you really need.
@AnnaFhaumnuaypol 3 жыл бұрын
YES!!! ive always felt so bad and "uncool" to be that organized, uptight friend who calls up the restaurant to make reservation and remind everyone of the day we meet up BUT i do take extra care to keep everyone together!!
@0029cost 3 жыл бұрын
Me too! I was compared to Amy once and it was the best compliment ever!
@chinbrows6245 3 жыл бұрын
i like Claire Dunphy...
@EMMASAUDIOS 3 жыл бұрын
Type A Women are always my favorite character in the shows, and I tend to admire them, while all my friends hate them... Wonder why
@beatrizf9563 3 жыл бұрын
Same
@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 3 жыл бұрын
Every woman I've ever dated has been neurotic type A. I guess it's my type.
@EMMASAUDIOS 3 жыл бұрын
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 i think i just like seeing myself represented on the screen 🥴
@roy.shrestha 3 жыл бұрын
SAME
@Lifeofanniesilva 3 жыл бұрын
Emma I’m a little of in between but I really admire you. I’ve noticed that on tv they usually portray them as uptight but I always wished I was more determined.
@WolframKKM 3 жыл бұрын
I think one really positive aspect that was skimmed over a bit is that Type A's tend to *love* their jobs. Because how many people can say that? Their passion to succeed makes then successful, yes, but it's not empty success, it's genuine fulfillment and pride in doing something they enjoy. It's an underappreciated characteristic, considering how many people feel unsatisfied with their professions.
@krustomer 3 жыл бұрын
I absolutely agree! A full-fledged Type A Woman has completely realized their desires in life; a juvenile could merely understand how others define them for her. At least from my experience
@Sweethearts4969 3 жыл бұрын
most are unsatisfied with their jobs cause they never choose one they wanted to stay at forever, they chose what they could get these days
@gisellec5504 3 жыл бұрын
That's interesting and I wonder if is also a factor for people not liking them as they may envy that quality of them
@rachelgpryor 3 жыл бұрын
@@Sweethearts4969 Agreed. Many of the jobs I have been able to get where I'm located have been disappointing and not at all what I imagined I'd be doing, and that lack of satisfaction has also decreased my general level of conscientiousness. In the middle of a career change now, so I can have guaranteed work I will actually like.
@muskaan3711 3 жыл бұрын
I love how much Leslie Knope loves her job and is dedicated to her job
@sayakchoudhury9711 3 жыл бұрын
We have to banish the "caring too much is unattractive" narrative.
@lv394 3 жыл бұрын
And banish the “I don’t care is attractive” narrative while we’re at it. 👍🏻
@PaolaTheTimeLord 3 жыл бұрын
right and notice how it's usually a narrative for women. i always considered caring as self-respect. you care about your appearance, your value as a person, self-care, etc. it's not bad to care and constantly leveling up for yourself. it has to be for yourself. when it's for others that's when you become miserable. setting healthy expectations for yourself is a good thing. and the lack of expectations for women and it being perceived as a "cool girl" is lack of self-respect. having no self-respect = being desirable to men. having self-respect = high maintenance to men. even the cool girl trope is boxed in having to please men and aren't able to be their own person. you don't see that standard for men. men are treated as individuals who have free will. women aren't.
@sayakchoudhury9711 3 жыл бұрын
@@PaolaTheTimeLord not only this, any earnest emotion expressed honestly is perceived as a sign of vulnerability and labelled as lame. Earnestness is seen as 'uncool', where as cynicism, disaffected and apathetic attitude is seen as 'cool'.
@dercooney 3 жыл бұрын
it's really unattractive and sometimes scary.
@darkdream1469 3 жыл бұрын
I agree wholeheartedly 👌👌
@tamaralevi6076 3 жыл бұрын
I felt so called out for 17 minutes straight. I thought I was back in therapy
@nikki5095 3 жыл бұрын
SAME. XD
@Zoya194 3 жыл бұрын
Hahaha 😂 Same minus the therapy. Wait. Do I need therapy ?
@gitlashooster2179 3 жыл бұрын
Omg God me too.
@LillyFilly4272 3 жыл бұрын
Zoya194 YES. Get the damn therapy before you suffer from a burn out and total mental regression (it’s happened). As my mother always tells me “DON’T WASTE YOUR FUTURE!”
@alexc.7035 3 жыл бұрын
SAMEEEE JAJAJJS I just didn't had a straight name for myself until I saw this😂
@emndiaye9019 3 жыл бұрын
I will never, EVER get tired of that clip from Gone Girl
@oncerand_directioner 3 жыл бұрын
Me either. It speaks soooooo much truth
@JordiVanderwaal 3 жыл бұрын
@@tati9867 +1
@thenechase 3 жыл бұрын
tati 9:28
@jjba3571 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah when i listen to her at the cinema i felt chilling cold, like wow girl i get you lol ... i wont commit murder but yeah totally get you hagayahauhaah
@oncerand_directioner 3 жыл бұрын
@@jjba3571 Same here and also "I won't kill my ex or inseminate myself with my cheating husband's sperm just cause I want a kid but Amy I really do get you"
@maureencali 3 жыл бұрын
Who could ever dislike Leslie Knope, a waffle aficionado? Clearly a woman of taste.
@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 3 жыл бұрын
I love neurotic women; every woman I've ever dated has been a type A neurotic, and I HATE Leslie Knope. It's weird because I used to be a huge fan of Amy Poehler but that character killed it for me.
@nanon7695 3 жыл бұрын
Stop the Philosophical Zombies why?
@dangermenatwork 3 жыл бұрын
clearly the dude at the bowling alley has no taste.
@helenl3193 3 жыл бұрын
Creator of one of my favourite holidays too - Galentine's Day!
@tamarirekhviashvili4142 3 жыл бұрын
Stop the Philosophical Zombies Leslie has flaws, but that’s part of the reason why she’s such a good character. She learns a lot throughout the series and her relationship with Ben is incredible. I respect your opinion though. Sometimes Leslie annoyed me too.
@trinaq 3 жыл бұрын
I've seen theories that Monica's anxiety stems from her parents' blatantly preferring Ross all of their lives, which led to her overcompensating and trying to please people as a result. Also, Amy has several older brothers, so she was possibly trying to get noticed as well! 🧠💜
@graciehooper7722 3 жыл бұрын
I think it mentions that Amy and her brothers are arranged (their photos) into the order of who makes their parents proudest and she was always secind
@elsiechaloner5654 3 жыл бұрын
Claire Dunphy and Leslie Knope may not have been competing with siblings, but they spent their entire childhoods trying to impress their unimpressable (is that a word?) parents. Marlene Griggs-Knope had high expectations for her daughter, and Jay Pritchett didn't really show affection or pride at all.
@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254 3 жыл бұрын
I guess that explains Ross's entitled nice guy tendencies?
@jjba3571 3 жыл бұрын
@@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254 yeah, of course, he is golden boy thats why he is so entitled, i dont think he quiets fit in the narcissist personality disorder but he clearly has some issues being self center and selfish, have huge ego and thinks of others need as less important to his, he is also homofobic and well, he was a lot of issues but at least he is not malignant type, he is not bad bad, ht his personality is not on the good side either
@iwantsalmon6846 3 жыл бұрын
Actually, I think Claire's relationship was more complex with her mother. I remember the episode that her mother died, Claire talks about how she didn't always have the best relationship with her mom.
@Naty103 3 жыл бұрын
I hate how this trope has been such a joke. I feel it's just men lauging at the fact that women have to try really hard to earn respect at their jobs and do all the work but still get overshadowed by male coworkers. Amy Santiago is a better cop than Jake Peralta, Hermione is a better witch than Harry Potter, but they portray them as just "trying to hard but just not having that natural talent". I think it's a sexist trope honestly. Miranda priestly or Elle Woods aren't part of the "neurotic" trope because their characters aren't a joke, they are positive portayals of the hardworking women.
@trinastewart8528 3 жыл бұрын
THIS PART!!
@dercooney 3 жыл бұрын
H really is trying too hard. she was the classic unbearable grind in the first movie and has been described as 'lonely, but doesn't get how to make friends' Elle woods is deffo neurotic at times - she actually experiences an arc and has moments of self doubt. she's just in here because she's also big on conscientiousness but isn't so mired in neuroticism that it undoes her work. the trope isn't really sexist, rick moranis fits this in a lot of his roles, he just tends to play comedy so the treatment is different
@MeWe-fh1lu 3 жыл бұрын
It's sexist to think only men are laughing 😂
@Ray03595 3 жыл бұрын
They’re not the main characters in any of your examples tho. Everyone gets overshadowed by the main character for obvious reasons.
@AlextheENTP 3 жыл бұрын
You make a good point, but I wouldn't call Amy a better cop than Jake. Amy, Jake, Rosa, Charles and everyone are equal as cops - they're just _different_ in their approach and skills. If Jake tried it Amy's way, he'd fail. If Amy tried it Rosa's way, she'd fail. (Except for Hitchcock and Scully - those two are just comedically useless, lol.)
@seokkchan993 3 жыл бұрын
As a growing female young adult, I can't thank The Take enough for shining light on this character trope, we need more driven women like the characters we watch in our favorite to show all the passionate and hard-working little girls that there's nothing wrong with being their selves.
@AnnaFhaumnuaypol 3 жыл бұрын
yasss i agree! passionate and hard-working little girls always get shit for being bossy, annoying and difficult!
@seokkchan993 3 жыл бұрын
@Paul Beleuta What does your comment have to do with mine? If you're annoyed that other people find happiness in the things they're passionate about then you're entitled to your opinion. Don't belittle other people and don't try to make associations that aren't apparent.
@seokkchan993 3 жыл бұрын
@Paul Beleuta Alright dude, agree to disagree then.
@JohnZ117 3 жыл бұрын
"What I can do is see what makes Annie awesome. She's driven. We need driven people or the lights go out and the ice cream melts." -Jeff Winger (Community)
@willnill7946 3 жыл бұрын
We need more positive male role models
@summer_the_rae 3 жыл бұрын
I'll never understand why everyone hated Monica. She was the only likeable character on that show.
@anilallipilli1569 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@saranginair5683 3 жыл бұрын
She is my fav character alongside Chandler
@bellalalala3327 3 жыл бұрын
not the only likeable character, but the most likeable honestly
@ish8678 3 жыл бұрын
She and chandler.
@dilianafarias4503 3 жыл бұрын
Pheobe?
@roy.shrestha 3 жыл бұрын
Finally, this trope gets some respect. These women characters have always been so inspirational to me (both Type-A career women and Type-A perfect housewife/trophy wife). I also possess some traits of Neuroticism and Type A personality, so I guess that makes sense
@boneybaron2508 2 жыл бұрын
Neurotic type A woman are almost always my favorite and are inspirational to me as well despite being a man I hope you get the respect and happiness you deserve
@xxshadowhunter1068 2 жыл бұрын
Same, I also possess type a traits and i'm pretty proud of it.
@TheAmaraHorton 3 жыл бұрын
Big hugs to all the Type A women determined to achieve their dream, no matter what 2020 throws at us.
@aangitano 3 жыл бұрын
100%! I did everything on my "5 yr plan by 35" and I'm so happy about that! 💪🏾
@nasyahasabumutima7212 3 жыл бұрын
aangita as you should be. congrats 💓 !
@sophiab5260 3 жыл бұрын
🥺🤗
@pragmagoth 3 жыл бұрын
I needed this today, thank you so much! We are powerful, hard-working, and intelligent women who deserve respect, admiration and a big, warm hug!
@elodin857 2 жыл бұрын
friendly rwminder 1 in 3 women cant have children at 30
@Ana-yt9jw 3 жыл бұрын
OMG i remember when your name was still screen prism and now you are litterally making a collab with Netflix that is just awsome
@sp691 3 жыл бұрын
They deserve it! They truly have some so far
@ronaldmccomb8301 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Good job, ladies!
@EtamirTheDemiDeer 3 жыл бұрын
Ohhhh that’s what happened? Lol I was wondering what happened to screen prism
@beeuhtwix 3 жыл бұрын
Proud of them!!
@isabelfornos6589 3 жыл бұрын
me too!! the love i have for them is so large ❤️
@EMMASAUDIOS 3 жыл бұрын
tEacHers NeEd a BrEAk tOo aMy
@trinaq 3 жыл бұрын
This rings SO true, and my OWN preschool teacher said that to me many times! 😂😅
@obsessivefangirl5055 3 жыл бұрын
"I haven't gotten a C since I failed recess in 8th grade"🤣😂
@jemimajanvier4706 3 жыл бұрын
Monica is my favorite neurotic. I never understood how people could find her character annoying, she was amazing and kind. Her high expectations helped her friends expect more from themselves. Rachel lived a life her own because of Monica, and Chandler didn’t give up on their relationship because Monica set a healthy standard for him. I think I need a friend like Monica 😩
@themysticmaam 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly. It hurts when some people say that she made Chandler less interesting after marriage. She only made him happier, and inspired him to follow his dream job.
@TutorialConspiracy 3 жыл бұрын
I ALWAYS wanted to be the Type A women. She’s strong, passionate, true to herself and gets what she’s worked so hard for in the end. Plus she’s highly intelligent and is aware of her faults and yet uses it to her advantage... I hope to become that 1 day
@pleasecalmdown1864 3 жыл бұрын
Never noticed that this characters were always my favorites in their series: Amy Santiago, Monica Geller and specially Leslie Knope. I always had a lot of respect for them, and seem so lovable to me
@OvSpP 3 жыл бұрын
‘The world needs more women like you’ Jeff Winger to Annie Edison
@maryy2077 3 жыл бұрын
The admiration and love in those words
@literaIIyshy 3 жыл бұрын
*Please talk about close platonic relationships between women and men in film and television!* Examples: Harry and Hermione from HP, Olivia and Elliot from Law and Order, Ellie and Paul from The half of it, etc. How society views these relationships as just a building step for a romantic relationship and somewhat forces us to view them as such to the point we can even start to confuse our own feelings when we're faced with similar situations and believe we're ~in love~ with the other person. Like, yes we love them but not in that way.
@trinaq 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, please, that would be an ABSOLUTE privilege! Despite romantic relationships being more prevalent in the media, platonic friendships can be JUST as rewarding! 💖Joey and Phoebe even got their own video exploring this concept. 🥰
@evakoshkaa 3 жыл бұрын
Alec and Ellie from Broadchurch!
@CCLOSPINA 3 жыл бұрын
Examples: Black Widow and Hawkeye, Sherlock and Watson (Elementary version), Cisco and Caitlin (Flash), Shaun and Claire (Good Doctor), Wander and Sylvia....
@literaIIyshy 3 жыл бұрын
@@trinaq I know right! I'd love to see a more in depth video about it
@literaIIyshy 3 жыл бұрын
@@CCLOSPINA thank you
@livcaitbff 3 жыл бұрын
I’m more of a type A, but I’m also a fantastic procrastinator, which only adds to my anxiety 🤦♀️
@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195 3 жыл бұрын
same
@RandomPerson-cz8yq 2 жыл бұрын
This is so me
@sp691 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like type A women are the most common portrayal of women in the media? Particularly type a women whose partners are type b males. I really wish we could see more type b women in film because women aren't allowed to be as boistrous or laid back as men in most shows (of course I love all well-written women though, type a, b, or whatever). I'd like to see more type a men as well!
@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254 3 жыл бұрын
I kind of wonder what Bridget Jones would be. Although I hope they do a video about the white and class privilege that Bridget enjoys (like a working class or woman of color cannot feel they can mess up like her and afford the lifestyle she has)
@sp691 3 жыл бұрын
@@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254 well, that's not always the case. I'm a brown girl, whose experienced a lot of racism and discrimination. But personality wise, it's not true that I always feel the need to be perfect? Maybe that's because I'm middle class, but while I do want to prove myself more than the average person I don't go about it in the type-a way that most women on tv do. That's just not my nature.
@elizabethwilkes6738 3 жыл бұрын
I agree, this type of woman reminds me of a lot of the essays Jia Tolentino wrote about in Trick Mirror. Usually this woman is striving for socially acceptable goals which can be why they keep popping up. Nothing wrong with these women. But then it does give me gilded cage vibes.
@melodyclark1944 3 жыл бұрын
I agree. When there's a partnership in work or the couple is parents the women is the responsible one while the man gets to be the rule breaker or creative one with almost no exceptions.
@mariaah3073 3 жыл бұрын
@@elizabethwilkes6738 you kind of put into words why I've always sympathized more with Britta than Annie in Community. While the show goes on, the spotlight turns to Annie (the traditionally feminine overachiever who dreams about a perfect marriage) and leaves Britta (the messy, politically engaged one that doesn't need a Big Girl Job or other marks of social adequacy) in the shadows. The first one gets development and a storyline by the time the show ends, while the other becomes a punchline every now and then at best.
@AnnaFhaumnuaypol 3 жыл бұрын
i actually have such a high neuroticism that i was ranked top 1 in relations to the 5000 students of my university who took the big 5 personality survey and neuroticism was explained with many negative qualities which makes me feel so bad that day about myself but this video showing all the TV characters who are highly neurotic but one of the most lovable bringing their unique story and struggles make me feel less weird and bad about being so neurotic like nah sorry not sorry im proud of who i am and it makes me so me :) i am chatty (hence this long comment), i want to control everything, insecure, self-doubting but i care, love and it feels SO good to gain respect and love from people who truly appreciate and understand you.
@ayanomar1408 3 жыл бұрын
Oh my god! I think I am this trope😂 everythig makes sense now
@Acidfunkish 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah... The neurosis is not what makes these personalities "attractive." Quite the opposite.
@AnnaFhaumnuaypol 3 жыл бұрын
@@ayanomar1408 hehe i know its like im reading a horoscope and everything makes sense!
@CottonCandySharks 3 жыл бұрын
Me too, and I really respect and adore all these characters :D feels good :D
@jyotsnapanicker8111 3 жыл бұрын
I relate to this trope. I feel you sister. Today, I still think that I don't deserve the final examination marks I got
@m1ch104 3 жыл бұрын
Literally all my favorite characters: Leslie Knope,Amy Santiago,Annie Edison and Monica Geller 👏🏼
@moonlily1 3 жыл бұрын
Um, it's worth pointing out that Jeff wasn't initially interested in Annie because SHE IS A TEENAGER and he's in his 30s.
@truepoet4783 3 жыл бұрын
WE DONT SEXUALIZE ANNIE UNTIL SEASON 2!!!
@clairewillow6475 3 жыл бұрын
true poet how old is Annie supposed to be?
@moonlily1 3 жыл бұрын
@@clairewillow6475 Annie and Troy are recent high school graduates in the start of season 1, so 18 or 19. Jeff is around 35.
@truepoet4783 3 жыл бұрын
Claire Willow shes 24 in season 6. So 18 in season 1
@clairewillow6475 3 жыл бұрын
moonlily1 ahh ok so about a 17 year age gap
@nicolehernandezmorales4006 3 жыл бұрын
I get so hurt when ppl say they don't like these characters bc I identify with them so much, I love how the trope has develop to characters like Amy and Leslie and show not only the "dark side" (which is extremely exhausting and rewarding at the same time) but how caring for their loved ones they are 😔💖
@elodin857 2 жыл бұрын
are they nasty to the people they identify as enemies though?
@alicet2241 3 жыл бұрын
I relate to Amy Santiago so much! She is one of the best characters because she is very funny and loving but also strong and ambitious. But I also relate to annie edison on a spiritual level, because sometimes I am as crazy as she is
@goldenlady3495 3 жыл бұрын
"Im cooler than cool. Im frigid." 😂😂😂
@steffthesensitive4697 3 жыл бұрын
Also, a black female character that would fit this trope would be Molly from HBOs Insecure
@ayindestevens6152 3 жыл бұрын
I was JUST about to write that!
@OvSpP 3 жыл бұрын
I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT TOO! I just wasn’t sure she quite fit because insecure doesn’t go that extreme with it with Molly
@jen3604 3 жыл бұрын
And Joan from girlfriends
@rachelgpryor 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like Molly is a more realistic version, and I like that she doesn't always have it together.
@songbird2g2 3 жыл бұрын
Yesss
@trichardson6824 3 жыл бұрын
There is no better type A woman than Leslie Knope
@pleasecalmdown1864 3 жыл бұрын
I would die for Leslie Knope, she is such an inspiration for me
@rachela7 3 жыл бұрын
@@pleasecalmdown1864 agreed, I'd do the same
@jyotsnapanicker8111 3 жыл бұрын
All neurotic type a women are amazing! 😍🥰
@moonie3866 3 жыл бұрын
Leslie Knope was such a revelation for me as a teenager, I still aspire to be her level of good friend and career badass
@ruthalem2834 3 жыл бұрын
i love this trope because i think i see myself in them and when anyone says they don’t like the character i get so offended because it feels like it’s their opinion of me after watching this i feel both seen... and offended at the same time
@konraddygudaj257 3 жыл бұрын
“For years, I had used these fractured men to justify my cynicism and workaholism, and the grief, insomnia and casual anorexia were no longer of any interest to me.” ― Antonella Gambotto-Burke
@trinaq 3 жыл бұрын
I'm really digging these quotes, and love how they manage to be applicable to each and every video! 📹♥️
@konraddygudaj257 3 жыл бұрын
@@trinaq I understand
@dercooney 3 жыл бұрын
casual anorexia, i have so many questions - it's got a real marla singer vibe
@betterlife6698 3 жыл бұрын
Could you guys maybe do a video about how manipulation in a relationship is often seen as romantic even though it is definitely red flag behavior? For example in How I met your mother when barney manipulated Robin into marrying him.
@jjba3571 3 жыл бұрын
They did most of himym characters
@bellatrixevans 3 жыл бұрын
This character isn't uniform though. Some are just normal, driven women like Leslie Knope or Amy Santiago. But some others are insufferable, domineering characters who are utterly unbearable in real life (like Rachel Berry from Glee). I've worked with people like the latter in the past - they're not just ambitious winners, they're aggressive and can be very toxic to collaborate with. It's easy to justify being rude af to others if you pretend you're doing it to emulate Monica Geller or something (even though Monica herself is a lovely character). Point is - Rachels and Leslies are in no way the same.
@kimifw58 3 жыл бұрын
Tropes are flexible.
@elizrebezilmadommdo1662 3 жыл бұрын
There are subcategories to this. The good ones (Leslie Knope, Monica Geller) and the bad ones (Rachel Berry)
@bellatrixevans 3 жыл бұрын
@@kimifw58 True, that's what I was trying to say, albeit as more of a rant lol
@jjba3571 3 жыл бұрын
@@bellatrixevans good rant tho, no one want a rude person to scream at you no matter how smart they are ( malcom) they prefer to deal with the neurotic episodes if directed at work rather than people ( leslie)
@tiffanypersaud3518 3 жыл бұрын
"Stems from an era when women had very little power / control in their lives"..... ohhhhhh the baggaaahhhhge. It's true Type A's are inspiring, I've been called one myself. But They can run themselves ragged. Even Hermione had done this when she was thirteen. And decided to make some sacrifices in her life to prioritize what she felt was most important to her, instead of caring about everything all the time. And whay would Harry and Ron do without Hermione? They'd die. They'd die multiple times a semester. It's healthy to think of your strong traits as just that - your strong traits. And when you do excess of a good thing, it can be bad, for you, for others.
@thetake 3 жыл бұрын
Big news! We've collaborated with Netflix to create a brand new series, “Take Two." Today's episode: Is the Happy Ending Over? Watch now on the Netflix Film Club channel! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rbyodplluNSbeHU.html
@angierose1428 3 жыл бұрын
Can you please do the girl and boy duo
@barbarasusej 3 жыл бұрын
Wow that's amazing! Congrats 👏
@literaIIyshy 3 жыл бұрын
Congratulations guys you deserve this and a lot more! You're channel is amazing and has inspired to pay more attention to what I watch ❤️
@diegom-a7970 3 жыл бұрын
Please make a video about soldiers and war
@trinaq 3 жыл бұрын
Congratulations on your new channel, I'll definitely be sure to check it out! 💖🥰
@ba6639 3 жыл бұрын
i feel called out by this trope...
@trinaq 3 жыл бұрын
Me too, now I know why I identify with nearly ALL of the women featured in this video: I AM them, and they are me! 😮🤣
@AnnKovshova 3 жыл бұрын
I kinda think you missed the point with Britta and Annie dynamics. They don't exchange their roles, they find their own path and inner true self. Annie gains self-confidence, but she never turns into a Cool Girl. In the Labyrinth episode she's still her type-A self as in many other ones. A confident and Leslie-like. Britta starts revealing her uptight, passionate, caring and idk alive side from the middle of season 1, then she just gets more quirky and loses the role of the carrot for Jeff's development. Which is good. And the reason Jeff never seriously falls for Annie isn't her type. It's first of all her age and the issues he has.
@somethingcooliguess 3 жыл бұрын
In the episode where they film Abed’s sci-fi movie, I kind of loved that Annie was over-sexualizing herself and Britta was so annoyed. I had to pause and think about it. Annie never expressed feminist views and in fact is pretty traditional. As a feminist, it was confusing to see a highly intelligent, driven woman who does not carry that view. It was nice to see a different combination of traits that still feels true to Annie. And that she has a different view than Britta or else it would seem that the show itself has a bias/view rather than each character.
@ayeilak5 3 жыл бұрын
This is great can do the sexy Latino man and women trope in movies and show.
@TheMahi00 3 жыл бұрын
I would also like to drop in Claire from Fleabag into this pool.
@jiyirinieme7641 3 жыл бұрын
Yes! She needed to be here as well
@lizgicharu2998 3 жыл бұрын
Half expected to see that scene of Paris Gellar from Gilmore Girls breaking down on the podium because she didn’t get into Harvard..
@nazarisreyes6037 3 жыл бұрын
Still asking for the Hot exotic (other than white) girl trope 🙏🏼
@georgie1286 3 жыл бұрын
I always felt that this trope comes from male fantasy as well: a career-driven woman is that way because she is unbalanced and balance often means finding love. Also, the general idea behind this trope is that ambitious women need to "compensate" their ambition with over-the-top personality traits not to be "too much". It's a funny trope, but I' d love to see more single balanced ambitious women who are always fun, not just when they break down or let loose after too many shots.
@mattibeata2295 3 жыл бұрын
one thing I wished this video at least mentioned was how type A/ type B personalities aren't considered useful psychological terms anymore no actual person fits perfectly into this trope it's a simplification of the internal lives of women
@elodin857 2 жыл бұрын
but they are single women in a carreer. Of course they lack something.
@RandomPerson-cz8yq 2 жыл бұрын
I think a good example of that kind of character is cristina yang from greys anatomy. She is extremely hard working, competitive and efficient but also a very fun (and sometimes even wild) person to be around
@Nomski. 3 жыл бұрын
Clair Dunphy Amy Santiago Monica Geller Hermione Granger Some of my favourite fictional characters!
@anitaschafer567 3 жыл бұрын
As I child I grew up with many "Cool Girls" as a role model and tried to emulate their behavior. After my teenage years I got into my first relationship and found out that I'm not such a Cool Girl as I thought. I'm still suffering from my neurotical type A tendencies, but I'm no longer ashamed of them :)
@alvarockerdz 3 жыл бұрын
I´ve always identified the most with this trope and I find it weird/curious how rarely men are shown with these qualities; actually, sometimes my friends call me "the mom of the pack" haha. I would like to see more men being the "type A kind" in a positive light, because there are many of us and we (female and male Hermiones) are the ones who usually get things done (sorry Harry, it´s the truth). As always, excellent video!
@mariapuddu8807 3 жыл бұрын
This video hits on a different level! Kinda got teary-eyed by the end, I don’t think I’ve ever watched anybody be so kind to a character trope with which I identify so deeply, thank you girls!
@destinyjones7511 3 жыл бұрын
Both the type A neurotic and the cool girl, both exist in real life, however it doesn't mean that they are always two separate people. Sometimes the type a women can into the cool girl when she learns to relax and let go alittle.
@cazia9 3 жыл бұрын
And conversely a cool girl can be a type A girl bc she is used to being at the top of the social hierarchy bc she is used to being so desirable and will do anything to say there, making her need for control heighten even more
@whycaninotfindagood 3 жыл бұрын
I love the movie Booksmart because that’s what the movie is trying to show you!!
@jjba3571 3 жыл бұрын
No way.... cool girl never get angry, cool girl never speak her mind, cool girl neber go againts the dude she dates wishes....i guess you are thinking of being cool in general, not the throphe "coolGirlTM"
@mattibeata2295 3 жыл бұрын
one thing I wished this video at least mentioned was how type A/ type B personalities aren't considered useful psychological terms anymore no actual person fits perfectly into this trope it's a simplification of the internal lives of women
@beeanca6671 3 жыл бұрын
"Her lack of cool makes her extraodinarily warm" 💕
@harinivasantharaj3890 3 жыл бұрын
I loved this! But can we get a video about Briita's character development? Or lack thereof
@Nova_the_starcatcher 3 жыл бұрын
Based off the end of the video in reference to controlling behavior, I feel in highschool I struggled more like in group projects to let others take the lead or be in control, but I think as I get older I've gotten better at trusting others and being able to allow a lack of control to not scare me, I think this is because I did realize that perfection isn't everything and that there can even be comfort and beauty in imperfection
@sennacookie5043 3 жыл бұрын
Amy is kind of a stand out in the sense that every man who's ever showed interest in her, can not get over her
@RandomPerson-cz8yq 2 жыл бұрын
Of course who wouldnt fall in love with amy santiago
@samriddhigupta5514 Жыл бұрын
This is true for Leslie ... remember when she dated a cop before Ben came into the scene?
@taleytaleytaley 3 жыл бұрын
“I want to live my life so that I’ll be able to read an in-depth biography of myself in later years and not puke.” -Paris Geller
@williammccormick2802 3 жыл бұрын
"Annie is driven. We need driven people or the lights go out and the ice cream melts."
@tirhasniguse2465 3 жыл бұрын
I admire your explanation of every trope but I am especially in love with you deep dive in to the movies or series tropes of women. I hope you do them more and more. Can't get enough of them
@obsessivefangirl5055 3 жыл бұрын
I'm a simple girl...I see Amy Santiago & Leslie Knope, I click.
@ninreck5121 3 жыл бұрын
"her lack of cool makes her extraordinarily warm" I LOVE THIS QUOTE
@TheILuvmustache 3 жыл бұрын
This is a beautifully executed video essay. I feel like I’ve come to appreciate some of these qualities I share with Type A Neurotic women and can better understand myself.
@the9file 3 жыл бұрын
i've been considered a "space case" most of my life. type-a characters have always been aspirational role models & inspiration to me. i watch the _ocd cleaners_ reality series & imagine being more like those ppl (even though their habits are somewhat pathologized on the show).
@TheSuperNats 3 жыл бұрын
Leslie and Annie are my favorite examples of this trope. Oh and Hermonie of course!
@TheComedyGeek 3 жыл бұрын
Before all of this gals, I had my sister. Classic overachiever. Incredibly marks at the cost of constant anxiety and terror. She'd have a total meltdown before a test and then get 97 percent on it. Never seemed worth it to me, but then again, I'm a coaster and got good enough marks without trying. All my life, I worried about her losing her mind. Luckily, she survived long enough to catch up with herself. I still worry a little, but she seems to have mellowed out. Of course, she's a stratospheric level civil servant too, which no doubt helps.:)
@ElliinKorea 3 жыл бұрын
Congrats on your new show! That's amazing!!
@MalikOnYT 3 жыл бұрын
omg this channel is so well executed. i would love a history of “The Take”
@lockariques 3 жыл бұрын
I aspire to be more like Leslie knope because of her passion and enthusiasm towards her job and life. I want to do a great job just like her
@grunchlk 3 жыл бұрын
I score highly in trait "neuroticism" in the big 5. What I've learned: it's good to know that it won't be as bad as I think if will. Very relaxing.
@justcomments 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this I loved your conclusion about Type A girl learning to accept and adapt to change. This type A has done a lot of that this year! It’s sometimes hard to recognise that rather than abandoning goals, you are just changing them to be more realistic. You don’t have to make your life perfect. “Good enough” is good enough :)
@moerosma 3 жыл бұрын
I LOVE your videos. (And you guys look much much better now than on your first videos. I definitely think that casual look works wonders for you. You look much more relatable.)
@Nova_the_starcatcher 3 жыл бұрын
I find I always relate to these women the most I feel I share alot of personality traits, which can be a pro and con! I find myself hardworking but also my anxiety can be hard to handle - but like most people I relate to multiple character tropes this is just one side of me, I also relate to the quirky girl trope lol because I do love chaos randomness as much as I love structure and planning ahead - but in life moderation is key - balance and appreciation
@rdpcl 3 жыл бұрын
When the personality traits diagram appeared, I could hear Dr. Grande saying "I remember the five factors through the acronym OCEAN"
@krustomer 3 жыл бұрын
This analysis really helped me reflect. Thank you!
@CottonCandySharks 3 жыл бұрын
This hit hard today, and was actually helpful. Thanks (:
@PhilospherDjPsychologist24 3 жыл бұрын
7:22 that scene is really sad because because that basically what Rory's relationship with her mother is like. Thats why Huntzberger said she would make a good assistant, she spent her whole like managing the neurotic people around her and that's all she could do
@IckyVickyy96 3 жыл бұрын
Somehow the Type A Women are usually my favourite characters in shows... I wonder what that says about me???
@trinaq 3 жыл бұрын
Ditto, I always felt that Paris Geller was my spirit animal growing up, as I could relate to her obsessive personality MANY times in my youth! 😂😉
@roy.shrestha 3 жыл бұрын
Same. Maybe we aspire to become like them.
@deryasonmez330 3 жыл бұрын
They seem aspirational to people who have no control over their lives.
@indivivas1402 3 жыл бұрын
I just watched this video and cried. Growing up I always felt I needed to be the cool girl to be liked and to be interesting. This video helped me look at myself in a whole new light, understanding that the things I had always considered as negative traits can actually be good. THANK YOU
@eirlyseverett9095 3 жыл бұрын
I have never felt more validated for my neuroticism thank you for this video!
@laura-xw6eb 3 жыл бұрын
I love this trope! YOU SHOULD DO THE DUMB, PRETTY GIRL!
@ruthstalkingagain4315 3 жыл бұрын
I love this type of women..
@Bren 3 жыл бұрын
I just watched Take 2 and saw Silvings Linings Playbook clips, my FAVORITE favorite movie ever! It made me want you to do an episode on how cinema portrays mental health and/or therapy/therapists.
@karmalitafults7101 3 жыл бұрын
I love Monica and chandler more than anything and the fact that there in this video so much makes me SO happy
@annesoh9428 3 жыл бұрын
I’m sad Joan from Girlfriends wasn’t included in this. I would love to see a take video on any of the characters from Girlfriends (if not all of them lol).
@madelinekouassi9884 3 жыл бұрын
Me too
@iArpanMishra 3 жыл бұрын
I am a laid back guy and totally love being with my perfectionist type A girl! Tbh, I always wanted a responsible girl like that!
@emma-bg3zb 3 жыл бұрын
this made me so happy. I’ve always related to characters like this and it really helps me do some self discovery
@OvSpP 3 жыл бұрын
I can appreciate any video with this much Amy and Annie.
@belembalbuena5079 3 жыл бұрын
"Even Dangerous" and puts that Booksmart scene 😂😂
@Charolette21 3 жыл бұрын
While I love Leslie knolp, Rachel berry (in turn Leah Michelle) is simply detestable. Even the gym teacher wasn’t as bad as her in both ego and behavior.
@sophiedupont8971 3 жыл бұрын
@@MaejorArray finally someone said that
@reflectsonlife 3 жыл бұрын
I cringed at how much the show creators loved to hate her.
@KelsEyeMurpow 3 жыл бұрын
I'M SO EXCITED FOR TAKE TWO! We love to see amazingly brilliant women share their genius takes on film. GIRL POWER!!!
@ailinbehar4432 3 жыл бұрын
'stress is just the price she accepts for her success' I FELT that
@deedolce04 3 жыл бұрын
Why am I only just now realizing that I'm a Neurotic Type A person.
@thatbberg 3 жыл бұрын
Ugh noticeable how most of the most heavily featured characters in this are Jewish. The neurotic woman and mama's boy man are pretty much the only representation we get. Rebecca Bunch is another example. Would love a video on Jewish stereotypes in media.
@joonamato 3 жыл бұрын
Annie's jewish, but who else? Not leslie knope, hermione, amy santiago at least. Is monica jewish?
@thatbberg 3 жыл бұрын
@@joonamato Monica Geller, Paris Geller, and I think but am not certain the characters in Girls. Some others featured don't have canon religions but are coded as Jewish.
@YourMajesty143 3 жыл бұрын
I mean the amount ofJewish actors in Hollywood is fairly high, so maybe it's a coincidence. As a brown person, I WISH we could have representation, ANY kind, period. Hardly any Latinas, Arabs, Indians, Polynesians, Asians, etc. I've seen beautiful representation of Jewish woman as always fashionable, tough, sexy, but also poised, as well as light-hearted, sometimes driven, sometimes easy-going, sometimes magical, sometimes straight, sometimes gay: Katy Kane as Batwoman, Fran Fine in The Nanny, Ilana Glazer and Abby Jacobson in Broad City, Frances "Baby" Houseman in Dirty Dancing, Cher Horowitz in Clueless, Dharma Finkelstein in Dharma & Greg, Grace Adler in Will & Grace, Beverly Goldberg in The Goldbergs, Willow Rosenberg in Buffy, Midge Maisel in The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel, Ronit in Disobedience, Rhoda Morgenstern on Rhoda, Fanny Brice in Funny Girl and EVERY other character Barbara Streisand has played. I can go on and on, including male characters. Darling, you're spoiled for choice.
@thatbberg 3 жыл бұрын
@@YourMajesty143 Hi, the idea that Jews are over-represented in Hollywood or control Hollywood is antisemitic and incorrect. Please don't repeat it. Those characters you all list are all similar characters that reinforce narrow and inaccurate stereotypes about us - like the neurotic Type A types I originally commented about. Everything you're saying is reinforcing my point, not counteracting it. For example, all the people you listed are white even though most Jews globally are Brown. Please educate yourself on what antisemitic tropes are and how you're perpetuating them right now.
@happydays5279 3 жыл бұрын
Also Rachel on glee would fit this stereotype and Robbie from victorious
@gitlashooster2179 3 жыл бұрын
It's so astounding how well this fits my personality and my life experience s. I have always been organized and a good student growing up. Hermione Granger was my idol. I grew up not knowing how to relax or to meet people so I had to learn over time when to let it go and accept my insecurities. I love to clean still and I'm sure my coworkers think Im crazy. But I'm much more comfortable with myself and know better how to use my type A strengths while understanding my lesser qualities. Excellent and humanizing video.
@nabaasapenny1310 3 жыл бұрын
Take two sounds amazing. I'm so happy for you guys
@inescastellano7960 3 жыл бұрын
When women are ambitious and passionate in their careers, they're always seen in a negative way.
@Passions5555 3 жыл бұрын
😟
@willnill7946 3 жыл бұрын
Same for men
@Marklee-lx7cd 3 жыл бұрын
@@willnill7946 no for men they are seen attractive
@elodin857 2 жыл бұрын
who would want to marry a workhaolic woman
@asterfall8019 3 жыл бұрын
all moniacas are somewhere waiting for a chandler who would say "they say you are high maintenance but I like maintaining you"
@Avocadomolotov 3 жыл бұрын
i will go subscribe. i seldom agree with you two, but i do enjoy your take (heh) on different topics. and that is part of the fun, right? thanks for all the fun content that you do.
@alexisatkinson7420 3 жыл бұрын
CONGRATS on Take Two!!! :D
@alannallama3334 3 жыл бұрын
Now that I know this trope I think Apple White from Ever After High fits in with it in her own way
@AmarieRegin 3 жыл бұрын
Wow. I think this was written for me. I've always related so much to Hermione, Monica, and Amy!
@aldovicente4705 3 жыл бұрын
Take Two sounds awesome cuz when I see really good video essays that are made by teams I always wonder how they were able to agree on what to say. When I talk about media with anyone else, even with my closest friends, it always surprises me how wildly different our reads can be. A lot of times it's actually really awesome though cuz you usually end up gaining a deeper understanding and appreciation for the piece, AND the person you're talking to.
@KW-vy1rf 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for covering this! I love this archetype - these women are always my favourites, largely because I see a lot of myself in them, even though I am nowhere near as accomplished or meticulous. Jane from Happy Endings and Madison from Dollface are two of my favourite Type A ladies! And of course, Paris - the real MVP of Gilmore Girls.
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