Aktuly its not a 1 circle either That was what he was trying to force 🤓🤓🤓

Offset 5 circle

​@@DEFYNdefi-senpai has declared WAR on useful short hand descriptions of dogfight geometry

@@flatsz "useful"

@@cola-warthunder9888 yea, unless you prefer to call out "I'm engaging in a turn fight in which a minimum radius and lower airspeed is advantageous for my nose position." Or sorry it's two circle so "I'm turning the other way from his nose, staying outside his nose cone, energy trapping him so he loses all of his airspeed"

Seriously, those things have been completely dominating BVR for like a year

27ERs come at you at like mach 5 lmao, way faster than any western missiles right now

​@@christopherchartier3017All you have to do is fly low. It's really not that hard. Yeah they go Mach 5.8, but that doesn't matter if you're low--they just won't hit at all.

I clicked faster then an R-60MK going for 1 flare

​@derkaiser9881 question u can done some like this, but I'm 50 feet above ground and hit still with a radar missle. What did I do wrong?

I am now 400k away is ith realt good or just goof

I just got it today and it's really good​@@user-fu9gg1th1x

@@user-fu9gg1th1x I'm serious, I really like it

How does this affect the bass population

@@DEFYN the population will now increase due to witnessing me abduct their mate

What bait ya use?

@@shiprat7370 I used a streamer

​@@shiprat7370a good master baiter never reveals his tricks

Nha man im pretty sure thats a plane, kinda hard to tell tbh

Ground hug. Simple as

^ What he said

For the ET just be attentive and flare at a far enough range, don't let it get too close to your exhaust

Any radar missile, hug the ground or notch+chaff if you are high altitude. For IR missiles with gatewidth IRCCM like R-73, R;27ET, Magics, cut burner, turn slightly towards the missile and flare and avoid getting launched at below 1.5 km and rear aspect. For Suspension type IRCCM (AAM-3, AIM-9M) Flare then change direction

Notching is pretty easy now other than that yeah hug deck Will make the video once we get active homing missiles so its not instantly obsolete

Yeah, and taking only 20min internal fuel is very important. I’ve also noticed that the center fuel tank doesn’t impact manoeuvrability that much unlike the wing mounted ones which decrease roll rate a lot.

​@@stoyantodorov2133I noticed this too, at this point I'm bringing Min fuel with all 3 tanks, dump the outer ones on merge, and that still leaves me with enough most of the time. If it gets bad, can then dump the centreline.

Neither can the F15A (unless they make it a full MSIP)

@@MD-wn4ui Its already got the flares, they likely will. None of the current Su-27 is S-standard.

@@MD-wn4ui f16c will get aim 120 anyway

In german tree you have 9-12 with R-73s

​@@daber6948? The german base 29 doesnt get 73's even tho it should. We have pics. Only the G gets 73's

bro get the a7m1... totally worth it. I did almost the entire grind in it to the F16AJ lol

Yeah waiting for active radar missiles atm to make it not instantly obsolete

He indeed tried to force a one circle fight, converting his energy into nose position in order to get a high aspect shot. Defyn quickly responds by denying him, instead forcing a two circle vertical spiral as he of course knows that delta wing relies on cashing in potential energy for nose position. By forcing the two circle fight the J8F was already dead as he over committed and never had a chance to begin with. He then quickly and mercilessly whoops his ass. Beautiful.

​@@mr_confuseno defyn needed to do the 42 circle and pluck 3 testicle hairs to make a geometrical bfm offset at 420° per circle and he woulda won

​@@jaek__drain and pluck

Try to put a few teammates between you and the enemy. Usually the majority of players go left after taking off from their airfield. So stay somewhat left or right of the gaggle of teammates and just pick off people who try to fight them.

Merry Christmas to you too

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I would like it along with real fuel time left but for now you can also look at engine temps to check afterburner stage too

@@MrPanzerCatYTtbh hud should have a option to show lb of fuel and Pound per hour so you know yourself

They can't because it's not actually supposed to be a feature like everyone makes it out to be, it works for anything that has wep including props

@@williewilson2250 ok but why do we have to be limited to only seeing wep? Why can't we see something like 105, 106 etc?

@@massimovolpe1343 because of gaijin's ass code that somehow runs this beautiful game, but I have gotten 101% or 102% before

yeah thats what ive heard, the flight model is really good, but you basically have to use full sim with a Hotas to actually use it.

Rates well

@@sule.A not as well as it should, and if anything its instantaneous is probably too good (although they may have changed the flight model since day 1 I'm not sure I haven't played in a while)

@@flatsz what should it rate with ?

@@sule.A it's not a question of *what* it should rate with, that's a very naive way of thinking about aircraft performance. different aircraft rate differently at different airspeeds. An F16 for example is going to rate better than a tomcat if they're both at 450 knots, but worse if they're both at 300 knots. what I'm talking about is it's ability to sustain its speed while performing a consistent sustained turn rate at near mach, which, the last time I flew it, was subject to a lot of high speed compression until it went down to below mach 0.8, by which point it can just dump all of its airspeed for nose authority which it should be able to do to some extent, but the way it's represented in game makes it basically the primary tactic, which eagle drivers in real life usually talked about keeping the jet fast (in guns only situations basically dueling i think u kids call it) It's high thrust to weight should give it far more endurance in sustaining its airspeed than what we see in game

Yeah same with the south African gripen, it should have A-darters which can 180 off the rail, but right now it would just end up too broken so hopefully later on they make these even better:>

​​@@GothicHellhoundIt shouldn't??? Adarters aren't even a real missile??? None have been produced due to budget cuts and delays?

@spray916 as if gaijin hasn't added fully functional rounds to vehicles? Why does it have skyflashes, why does it have 9ms? It never used them, shit pretty sure saaf retired their radar missiles after the cheetah for the most part, and it could have R-darters instead as well if they want it to have radar missiles

can’t wait for AAM-5 And Iris-T

@@GothicHellhoundA-Darter isn’t in service yet, so I don’t think it would be nice to see in game

The Su-27 is just a better 29, more missiles and better flight performance. The SMT has a better radar yes but you only get 2 ERs to take advantage of that vs 4. The 27 is just a better 29 no reason to go back.

@@cadet3902 Appreciate the info :)

The Problem with the Su-27 is that Gaijin made the Automatic Flaps none toggle able meaning every time you turn you lose energy because of a feature you have no control over. On top of that the Su-27 Wing Slats Extends 30 Degrees, which is meant for landing, not turning, overall the Flanker would be performing slightly better then an F-15A, Gaijin just messed up the wing configuration implementation. (There is already a bug report under way for this btw) The Flanker still beats the Mig-29s Either Way.

@@dankaloww1067 So you're saying that Gaijin COULD make the Flanker's performance better or on par with the F15's?

​@@Asian_Titan IRL, the flanker doesn't even give the f-15 a chance in dogfight. If you are interested, read about the training battles between the F-15 and the Su-27 in 1992 at Langley Air Force Base

Basically The teams are not salvagable

Hey! How does the f-15 fair against the Gripen since the flight model changes. While flying mine I have really noticed much trouble rinsing f-15 players still.@@DEFYN

I hate flying it. Yes, its missiles are amazing, but flight performance is horrible. I lose almost every dog fight, especially with f 15 and the m4k.

I got 10 2 weeks ago in an uptier. Why? Cuz my opponents were bad 37 has no chance if i dont make big mistakes in an f15

trust me, I'm well aware. Just fooling around a bit 😜@@DEFYN

if its far enough away you can roll while putting in some elevator to bleed it of energy, if not you just have to cut throttle all the way, flare, and pray

Basically if r-73 carrier is on your 6 and the distance is 1.5-2km, all you should do is to pay attention and don’t miss the launch then drop throttle to 0 and pop a single flare and r-73 will eat it like r-60 does, but if the enemy is inside 1-1.5km range at your six you have to start preflaring until the enemy won’t be outside 1.5km range or not directly on your six cause if r-73 wasn’t launched from directly 6 it also will eat every single flare(except like 0.2km launches, but at this range any missile will ignore flares)

Somewhat but its not fool proof

They both pull the same and they’re both fast and have range, but the Aam3 is better in a few areas. It has ECCM, it turns immediately off the rail, and it’s smokeless (which is very useful in ground rb and sim)

Explain

​@@icespikegaming6786he can't

@@icespikegaming6786 hurrr durrr missiles, but dies whenever the enemy of the same tier can defeat the missile. Stomps downtier puppies.

satelites aren't real

as is they're just copy pasted 9Ls with slightly less drag, so they don't pull close to the 40g advertised. So I imagine they'll get buffed if they think it needs it

Pretty much. The F-15A feels like a UFO with how absurd the thrust to weight ratio is. You can literally accelerate on a high angle climb with fuel tanks and bombs lmao. The F-15 is a Mustang to the Su-27's A6M Zero. You just abuse your ridiculous energy and thrust advantage and dance around everyone

What a bananas comparison

​@@pikaachoo3888I'd argue the Su-27 ain't even a Zero. It's more like dogfighting in an IL-2. You get 1 decent turn before you fall out of the sky, but in that one turn you have firepower for days. As long as people use their 2 braincells you are dead--otherwise it's back to the hangar for them.

⁠​⁠​⁠@@pikaachoo3888to be clear, f-15 has 1.5TWR, Su-27 has 1.4TWR and f-15 has only 0.3deg/s advantage over Su in rate fight so idk why snails gave Su 24%((25-19)*100/25 calculated using full circle time at rate speed, that’s in the card) disadvantage instead of 8%(0.3*100/360 calculated using deg/sec characteristics at rate speed, that’s irl) so they gave 3 times more disadvantage than it should be, sum it with how faster this thing drops its speed in a turn and you’ll get what we have, f-15 that slams Su without any chance while both aircraft should be almost the same or at least on par Upd: well ik why, because with r-73s Su would annihilate F-15 If they had pretty much the same turning capabilities

@@user-jy6cn3jy8g We are talking about ingame performance, not real life stats. Thats the point. No need to throw some shade at the F-15 unless you want American mains to chase you down while screaming "RAAAH 🦅🦅🦅🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🛢️🛢️"

maybe, but I think Isreal is just going to get more fox 3 carriers and a large variety of falcons and eagles tbh

​@@jaek__with python 4s

@@williewilson2250 yes eventually, p3s aren't a good enough incentive grind Isreal tbh, so hopefully their next plane is a f15C and not something retarded like a m2k

Theyre lvl 75 with expert yes

F16s don't have all aspect radar either

what is an Aim 9L/I?

​@user-jb8hg5rj8q If I remember it's basically an updated Aim 9L with IRCCM. When America didn't want to sell a nation the AIM9M you got the Aim9Li

@@theironwolf1871 that’s the Aim9L(I-1) The I just had a slight tweak to the tracker, it was an improvement, but not basically an Aim 9M like you said Tho that should be added too, would be good to be put on the Italian F-16 and an F-104S-ASA.M if it were ever added to the game