My experience grinding for the British Gripen. T_T

Me, right now

It's was so cursed trying to grind for the British Gripen. The Tornado is complete ass in terms of it's flight characteristics and the AIM-9Ls are nowhere near as good as they used to be and rarely ever will hit an enemy that's paying attention. You can't even sneak up on then because you're a tornado. The Skyflash supertemp is just OK... It's kinda mid. The Brit Phantom is basically unplayable with all these SU-27s MIG-29s and F-15s running around. The Harrier was the only thing that was remotely playable annnd well. It has great missiles...thats it. It's subsonic, it's slow, it has no radar, you can't really dogfight. You turn well for about two turns and then you run out of energy. Sometimes you can squeak a goblin ass kill with VTOL but most of the time VS anything quick and Maneuverable you just die. You're like a vulture, hang out low on the edge of the battle, pick up any scraps that get seperated and hope and pray you kill them with your first missile. The grind was worth it tho. The Gripen C is the first British Jet in awhile that actually feels like it's in a good place in the meta. Last time I felt like this was when the Hunter F1 dominated and when the Hunter F6 was introduced with SRAAMs before they got nerfed several times and flares became widespread.

@@Nox_Desiree I used the Phantom FGR.2 and Harrier gr.7, ironically using the gr.7 as a fighter and the fgr.2 to bomb bases. The Harrier can dogfight anything with landing flaps and I managed to kill a lot of Su-27s and such and such with it

so I stock grinded the FGR.2, and it was horrible because 50k rp minimum before researching other missiles, but once you have the skyflashes it's pretty good because most players don't really know how to dodge them in a head on or hug the deck like I do which makes getting 3/4 kill games very easy, the 9Gs are pointless tho

i didn't make one yesterday!

​@@DEFYNwell... as far as WE know at least.... 🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐

@@DEFYN Fake news

​@@DEFYNDefyn trying not to make a nutz joke every other day (impossible)

@@DEFYNwhat if you did… but it wasn’t as a joke

magic of BOL pods

At least that is one change that is actually historically accurate.

Accurate, but doesnt ffel balnced when the SU has about 900

@@Iniesta9701150 30mm rounds. It’s the F-15 that has 940 rounds of 20mm.

@@Iniesta970 it has 150 but yea

​@@Iniesta970 the su has 150

Well aoa with a delta wing essentially means you'll be pissing away all your energy faster than {insert something that's quite fast and funny}. Furthermore sometimes it's limited by the fcs as it does create a lot of turbulence behind the wing the vertical stab has to cope with

When you pull more than a certain AoA, your delta act as a massive airbrake. They modified the authority of the control surfaces so that it doesn't pull more than 12g, so if you want to pull AoA, you need to slow down under a certain speed

Delta wings are actually designed for speed, the speed bleed is a downside of high AOA, not a desired characteristic. That said, if you’re fast enough to keep the AOA low, deltas can rate extremely well - especially if they have the thrust available to power through the airbraking/AOA issue.

Because they don’t know what they are doing? I thought this was clear.

This update has showed how many people have very little understanding of aerodynamics 💀

5 mins left

Can I reschedule?

If you could customize belts what would you go for?

@@Persona6Blue i would go all tracers APHE

​@@cookiewookie1446HVAP only

@@Persona6Blue I'd finally know if the rounds that do damage are AP or HE because holy shit I can not figure out which 20mm round is the problem

@@dutchdragon2472you can always go back to the good ol protection analysis

Typical rat plane for brainless timmys

I don’t mind that if they fix the god damn guy doing 0 damage

​@@legendbee9579agree, damage is awful

i loved the ammo :( i actually got ammo to learn the gun now its useless with the 0 dmg it does

Why are people saying it doesn't deal damage, in my experience it evaporates the ememy

@@badrepputation which belt u use?

Lmao sure with one of the most broken flight model in game it’s not that hard…

@@teivabaudoin2666 That's why I said it was easier than any other plane I've flown, dingus

Search WTRTI for war thunder

Most likely WTRTI.

Its WRTI

The Gripen was designed to fight Flankers and MiG-29's, so the F-16like flight characteristics make sense. The difference is Gripens can take off from or land on any airfield, and get rearmed and refueled in less than 10 minutes, making them perfect defensive fighters.

My comment was made more from a point of view regarding aerodynamics, not doctrine. Sure there definetly are similarities like the low weight, single engine and induced instability, but my point was more in relation to the difference in design of wings and control surfaces, which would naturally effect how a plane manouvers. The F-16 has a cropped delta wing with rear elevators while the JAS 39 has a "standard" delta wing with fully mobile canards. Both are highly effective dogfighters but I feel like the differences in design should mean they accomplish this feat in different ways. 😄 @@brunobegic3841

@@brunobegic3841 that + it's renowned for its BVR knife fighting capabilities, it was always intended to fight russian planes and trade favourably without endangering precious swedish airframes & pilots. which is a little weird, it should have launched with advanced fox 3s

@@HarrDarr I think your overestimating how prevalent fox 3 missiles were when these 4th gens were being made, F-18, F-16, and F-15 all used sparrows for quite some time.

@@skull1161 Gripen was not service ready until the latter half of the 90s, it has a far more modern suite of avionics, EW, radar than all the 4th gen US & soviet fighters. It's younger than the aim120 for instance. Consider that the russian r27 was far more formidable than any US/NATO estimation, though Sweden correctly assessed that it needed a longer and more accurate missile to strike at a numerically stronger enemy in the event of a war. Sweden could never afford to lose airframes at an even 1:10 ratio, if war broke out with the soviet union. Gripen is designed with the F16 and the Flanker in mind, when it comes to realistic opponents that it may face. Now the Gripen, especially the C/D variants have gone above and beyond in their capabilities but are getting quite ancient and their frames are limited, hence the need for the NG program which is a completely new plane.

The canards are modeled entirely incorrectly and moving in the opposite direction that they should. So im kinda just hoping they are being ignored by the game engine, because currently they would hurt performance

​@@communisticus191really? They were turning the right direction last time i checked.

​@@communisticus191yeah no the canards are turning the right direction in this video so

@@filblo503 did we watch the same video? To me it looks like the canards are tilting in the same direction as the elevators on the wings as well as responding directly to control surface inputs. So instead of added lift to the nose, its actually providing a downward force like an elevator (at least visually)

@@communisticus191 if you look at 2 minutes you can see them working correctly. He is pulling up on the stick to turn and the canards point correctly up. They worked right in the dev server but i havent had the chance to test it in the live server as im currently on the j29f

Nerfed

Accurate nerf

It has 120 rounds irl

How would i do that?

@@DEFYN either, if you are using OBS, you have that is the settings somewhere. have been ages since i fooked around there. OR if you are using something els, you need to find the process in task manager and manually put it in higher priority. hope my botched English is understandable. =O

@@ReNameMe il try it out thanks Perfectly understandable:)

@@DEFYN Nice, glad to help. if it helps. =)

The barrier is over double the rendering and upload time for at most 50 people

not reALLY

@@crakenplease3164maybe if they fix all the bugs on it such as no aoa on a delta aircraft or gun doing 0 damage it would be but we can’t fault the aircraft itself for that

​@@legendbee9579Su-27 wins purely on missile count and power. 4x R73, 2x R27ET, and 4x R27ER crushes other planes.

​@@cookiecraze1310ground level defeats all radar missiles anyways lol

@@GothicHellhound oh no, they only have 6 of the two best IR missiles in the game! Whatever will they do! Also the R27ER's are great for catching out an enemy that pulled up for whatever reason (maybe a plane above them, maybe dodging, idk) since it starts up very quickly and is ridiculously fast and manoeuvres well.

Not so much the engine power it’s basically because the plane is so light. After the nerfs I would say it’s in a pretty good spot

people love to dog on Skyflashes because other radar missiles are better at top tier, but Skyflashes are REALLY not bad at all. 25+ Gs directly off the rail and higher instantaneous accel than late sparrows. really good potential for all aspect kills within 6 or 7km

@@blessthismessss sky flashes are a hit or miss 7km is already pretty far for the missile

⁠@@ferrous3262yea literally if they turn right or left the missile just cant reach them, and thats IF the radar doesnt get fucked by a 90 degree angle

@@ferrous3262 i never launched over 6 km in the fgr for the many years it was in the game and it always gets a kill

WTRTI, and yes, it's perfectly legal

Nope. Still hits like wet farts

I waited months for this plane to be added just to make a deez nuts joke Do not understate my achievement 😭😭

Su27 vid coming in an hour or so F15 is more well rounded and the su27 is a missile bus and has put all its points into offensive capabilities

only change in the game afaik is the hmd targeting. so, same plane one slightly better feature

​@@filblo503both have hmd for radar and missiles

Most likely no, gaijin sucks at fms of russian planes. MiG-29 and now su-27 is underperforming, but J-7E, which is just a mig-21 with modified wings, somehow outturns mig-29 and even f-16c...

I think not, US main will crying so hard Know we back to situation where new top tier US eat USSR in dogfight for breakfast Where in RL they are pretty even matchup

disable the instructor

@@ishiddddd4783 yeah but it shouldn't be holding speed the way it does. The F16C bleeds more speed in a turn lol. Switching to full sim controls makes every plane feel super unstable.

In dogfights to determine an actual winner yeah To get stats its fine

@@DEFYN Makes sense. Keep up the vids! :)

gripen is quite a bit less maneuverable than a f18C/A