By ol' mate Senny

The judge.

Y ol mate senny

By Senn-

@@jacobler this is gold

Yeah I was going to suggest something similar to this. Even if the molds weren't wearing out if Romania isn't just doing assembly and the chassis is being built there, you aren't going to want to move all the molds and manufacturing tools over it would probably be cheaper to make new ones. Bonus being that it is a dated design and just squaring it off and going with a flat color makes it look much much more modern.

These new ones look boring, I prefer the old ones 🫤

Same

Same here. I practically live in my 20yr-old HD600s... I've replaced the cable half a dozen times (HD650 cables are stronger), replaced the headband 4 times, and the earpads twice (due for a third time soon). If headphones get any better than these (with a decent amp), I'm not sure I even care to know - I'd happily use these forever.

@@JonnyTenebrous You seem like you have experience with the audio business. I'm torn between getting a pair of HD 598s or HD 6XX (which I heard are similar 600). I really enjoy the complexity of certain music and noticing every single piece of the song. I've never had any real experience with audiophile gear so I have no idea what to amplifier to pair them with.

​@@keymind117 Well, I was studying music in university when I bought my HD600's all those years ago, though eventually went down a different career path - so I'm not in the audio business (just an enthusiast, who still mixes audio/music on occasion and enjoys critical listening!). I've owned several additional pairs of headphones since, for various uses, closed back vs open, etc... but I've not actually heard the HD 598s or HD 6XX. However, I've had a look and the HD 598's only have an impedance of 50 ohm (as opposed to 300 ohm for the HD600), which means you can drive them sufficiently through consumer audio equipment without an amplifier. This is similar to the HD 599's (which I bought for my wife), and honestly those sound great for listening to music... but they're not "neutral" like the HD600's so are less useful for mixing and very critical listening. Still - many people prefer a bit more bass and don't really want "reference" type headphones. The HD6XX is 300 ohm, just like the HD600, so it "requires" an amp to get the full benefit. However, between you and I, I don't absolutely always amp my HD600's... sometimes it's just inconvenient to use an amp. No, they don't sound nearly as good unamped, but they still sound really good compared to most (lesser/"consumer" class) headphones, imo. There's lots of amps out there, but lots of them don't push a 300 ohm load that well, so you'd have to do some research - I haven't been in the market for a long time, so don't know the current choices available. HD600 is so popular, you should have an easy time finding discussion of good amp choices to fit your budget. In my opinion, if you go for HD600's you should go the whole nine yards and source an amp. The HD6XX's look like a great deal that will offset the cost of adding an amp into the budget. Hope that was at all helpful ;).

@@JonnyTenebrous This was a super helpful reply! Still looking for a good amplifier, but I've decided to get both because they each offer a different sound profile and are relatively affordable.

Or in one vid Ol' mate upsidedownie

@@aerodinamicaattiva1970 that was my fav vid from him. too bad the mic was bad in that one

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@Wingnutt 1 I'm curious about what models you think are better for mastering these days. The world of high end headphones has exploded with hundreds of models that are quite good but when it comes to studio/professional equipment that is designed for high powered mixing boards rather than iPhones, and focused on neutrality and accuracy over all else, ... that world is still very much as it was 10 or 20 yrs ago and the HD600 is still one of the best there is for that audience IMO. I could be wrong. I use them for listening to music myself but they have been gathering dust for the last couple years because of their weak bass, until I put Dekoni Elite Velour pads (AKA Drop 6xx aftermarket pads) on them a few weeks ago which gives them the perfect amount (small but significant) of bass boost IMO. Now they are just about perfect for most music. Sort of the "best of both worlds" between the HD600 & 650/6xx.

I have both. I definitely consider the hd650 superior to the hd600.

At the end your final listeners only use crappy audio source from iphone and sh*t airpods

@Mike O'Horny Have you listened to both? Yes, the 600 could use a little bass boost to my ears. However, it is definitely the more neutral 'phone vs the 650 and exaggerated "veil."

diyaudioheaven.wordpress.com/headphones/measurements/brands-s-se/hd600-2/ hd600 are the best in the hd6-- bunch from a tonality point of view..but remember that tonality accuracy can be achieved also on bad tuned headphones using a normal equalizer (like apo)

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@Dhanvin Kowlessur oh whoops didn't check the replies you beat me to it

yeah its just people used to smth overly bassy prior to buying this

but just in case prepare smth like bass boost

The 560s has taken that place

@@enzog1078 Highly doubt that with its 4K-6K bump, slight lack of midbass and not as smooth treble response.

@@87detto for the price? the headphone is insanely good. Easily the best headphone until you get to the hd600. The 600 is better, but more than twice the price.

@@enzog1078 Oh definitely! I paid only 125€ for the HD 560S. With some EQ it really is a nice headphone and awesome price.

Im getting 660s tomorrow wish me luck 😬🤯

The 650 has more low end extension and more detail in the highs, I prefer to use it for casual listening. But many audio engineers have noted that the 600 translates better to other systems, and as you mentioned, it is less fatiguing which helps when mixing late into the night when for whatever reason you can’t use speakers. It is an irreplaceable tool for many, myself included.

@Jacob 650 is veiled/muffled in comparison listen to some sound demos comparing the 2.

@Jacob 650 is measurably more midbassy and dark lol

@Jacob but hd600 already has a midbass tilt and rolled treble... What are you on about lol?

@Jacob I know what Harman is.

One of the reasons I chose the HD 600 was because I loved the marbled granite look. It looks nice, like a luxurious kitchen counter top. Of course, it's not for everyone.

I think the marbled look is nice and I find them enjoyable with any style of music. The sound isn't flashy, it's just lovely.

@@Slavolko I don't think I noticed the granite finish until I pulled mine out of the box! These replaced my 580's that I had for decades that finally had enough of me. I like the granite finish! And I LOVE my 600's!!

@@rtlamb I love mine too. They go for insane prices these days, so I'm glad I got mine when I did. They're sturdy enough to handle me dropping them ocassionally, so I expect to keep them around for many more years. They run great.

I am with the other commenters. I dig the blue marble look. A few scratches and chips in it from being reckless with them, but they've held up so well and only recently had to change the ear cups after a fair amount of use. Hope the newer version holds up just as well.

Any other headphone that come closer to the sound of ER2SE?? Those etymotics are my favorite sound and I would love to find a headphone equivalet of it…

@@BrZi38501 use EQ and a headphone that doesn't have a mountain range on the treble (or anywhere).

Yeah, and it's not shit. You know, like any Sennheiser.

@@ErgonomicChair "if i do not like it, it is shit" is a great way to seem like an arse.

Pretty sure they have that on all of their models

@@ErgonomicChair Actually even this HD600 easily beat the LCD2C in almost everything...

@@Sineseol thats definitely not true

Me too.

Damn reading your comment makes me feel like I hit the lottery. Amazon had a price error this afternoon and it lasted for 1 minute. I got it for $99 before they corrected it to $299. Hoping it ships!

@@youcrockyvence did it ship?

@@maxred371 Most likely. One dude found that same error and bought 3 of them for the price of one

They have moved a moderate amount of their production to Romania as well.

Pss the HD600 had many revisions.

they are the super cheap he90

Hehehe Ad2000 for female vocals :)

how about the Hd660s

underrated comment

I was trying to formulate a similar response, but you articulated it well enough that I'll just say ditto.

600 is more for studio reference use and 650 is more for consumer hifi use.

cant say much abt this, kind of 64 situation

DMT

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Absolutely! As a classical musician, the open and transparent midrange is fantastic on the HD 600, and feels superior to the HD 6XX for acoustic music. The on downside being the weaker bass response. A beautiful headphone I don’t want to be without.

Try the HD580 Precision if you get a chance, old one, not to be confused with the HD58x which is a totally different driver. I haven't A/B compared them but my HD580's are just incredible in their detail. They have been slightly upgraded over the years, to HD650 pads for earcups, HD600 pads for headband, HD650 cable and inlay foams, but no grill swap. The best part is they don't ever sound over analytical, but bad recordings sound terrible on them because they don't "smooth over" the sound in any way, what you hear is what the source gives.

@@noth606 This dude frankensteined himself a headphone lmao thats nutty

I have never had good headphones. Is there a reason people say they like them for mixing but not for enjoyment? Isnt the end goal of a good headphone to accurately recreate the live version? So clarity would be best for enjoyment? Also, not arguing, genuinely asking.

@@kurt7937 think of it like a color accurate display. It’s great for editing since it translates really well but it’s super flat to look at when you compare it to vibrant Samsung OLEDs and the like. Same with the headphones. Some are really meant for listening to certain frequencies and details, kinda like audio magnifying glasses, but listening to music with that much focus on certain frequencies can be exhausting. Listening headphones is all personal taste but you need some objectively neutral stuff for mixing or to really know your gear. Even my cIEMs suck for music listening but they give me all the clarity I need for being on stage

Treat yourself, Kurt. Like you, I had never owned decent headphones, then I bought the HD600 a few days ago after comparing them against the HD660S2 in a headphone shop. Plugged into my Marantz integrated amp at home, the HD600 sounds great. I should’ve bought these headphones years ago.

@@MaxFromSydney1 You had a $2000 amp but no cans? Haha. I just bought them yesterday, they should arrive soon. :) The best headphones I’ve had prior to this was some bass bloated mainstream garbage, akin to beats, and I’m well past listening to bass-y music. I just need an amp and dac then I’m good. Have you tried any tube amps, Max?

Agreed HD6XX are better than 58X on every way.. I dont get all that hype for 58X, For me the best Senns are HD650 and 660S with those u get everything ,HD 650 Smoothnes Darkness for old records and Resolution imaging with 660

Mpamphs Kangourosaurous oh they are. My girlfriend loves them for the bass they provide. Which to be honest there is more of it with the 58X. I however find the balance a lot better on the 6XX along with the higher resolution available everywhere on the spectrum the bass, mids, and highs more enjoyable.

phillip martin yeah me too, I have a pair of HD600s and while I have headphones and IEMS that sound better they have a certain charm to them and they present music in such an unique way

@phillip martin If they changed the drivers then they wouldn't be HD 600

yes!!!!

Well, it's much cheaper to manufacture it with raw plastic surfaces and the beautiful hinged box that it came with is gone too. That leaves us with a lot less for the same money! But hey if that's what you're into ; )

No, the OLD version is the supreme version and should never have been changed :(

Are the dust protectors the foam on top of the driver, under the ear pad?

Its just as Good

@Jacob “how flat” is is not the same as completely flat. It doesn’t change the fact that showing frequency response curves would be helpful for videos like this.

And? :)

You should know that you can replace those foam pads and the headband pad easily by going to the Senn site and ordering the parts.

how about a refresh in cpu/gpu industry? 14nm++++++++?

Nobody asked

Completely false. A "facelift" in the automotive industry is considered to be an evolutionary design step. There is no such thing as a silent revision when it comes to cars; any bump in power; design and handling is heavily marketed.

Love how everyone's so quick to point out that they know better. A casual comparison works just fine. Tho in this case i think face-lift isn't quite appropriate since there's no obvious change in design like new grills or headband shape and all that. Also, bla bla bla forget what I just said Leviathan :)

@@Alby911 idk how people could even compare a facelift to a silent revision😂.. like the HD600 is not any design overhaul.

I bought a pair of HD595 years ago. And got instantly hooked to sennheisers. Got a pair of used HD800 around 2016, that was used alot before me, they even more used now.. I love them. But if they ever break, I think I look for a pair of HD600.. can’t motivate the cost of new HD800, or maybe I would? that’s how much I love them 😂