Start with The Virtuoso Pianist by Charles Louis Hanon and you will be a master in no time

@@NihongoGamer just ordered it lmao

@@NihongoGamer I started with the Daigo Parry and I perfectly mastered the Moonlight Sonata movement 3 now

Ngl that would be an awesome game

I see! Well, that makes sense!

While they're pretty different mapping-wise, a leverless built for Smash still works very well for other fighting games. I built some Open-Frame1s and when you put HayBox into FGC mode things are pretty much right where you'd expect them to be (some of the options buttons are in an odd spot, shoved where the c-stick buttons normally are since they're not normally bound in the default layout). They even handle the split by making a thumb button on each side bound to up, so regardless of which thumb you normally use for that you're still good to go. I see the usual cramped layout as pointless to keep around.

The creators are really open and they answer questions on live streams so they might be open to adding this as a feature if you ask them :)

@@NihongoGamer Oooh, nice! Thanks for the heads up, can't wait to get home so I can actually hear the vid lol

The c-stick buttons are just acting as a right analog stick, so they work for controlling the camera in a game, though they're digital inputs so it's like pushing the stick all the way in each direction (would probably move the camera pretty fast). I played a bit of Super Mario Sunshine with a controller similar to this (Open-Frame1, running the same HayBox firmware). You'd probably wanna do quick taps to adjust the camera instead of holding the buttons most of the time, but you'd run into issues like overshooting where you meant to stop and it might feel a bit clunky. If the game you're playing allows you to adjust the camera stick sensitivity then this could possibly be viable. There are modifier buttons for how much the left stick is pushed, but as far as I know they haven't made anything similar for the right stick buttons, since in Smash it doesn't matter.

@@SoundToxin Thanks for that consideration! Sounds like it might not be the best option for what I wanted to try.

Not sure but the controller is also designed with expansion bays for some reason. Maybe they’re planning on expansion modules

I have the G16 (the smaller model) they really are great value.

yea

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@@NihongoGamer I bet!

Works on pc using x-input! Not sure about the layouts but I assume they’re downloadable

Sorry I’d left it out. Ive added the link to the description for you

@@NihongoGamer i appreciate it. Do you have a recommendation for a leverless controller around 100 usd. Im new to fighting games with my first in this decade being tekken 8. I am really searching for a leverless because its most close to a keyboard imo

​@@The_Purple_Sun the haute42 is very affordable and pretty good i got mine for under 100.

Force of habit. I always say ultimate because it’s the only one I currently own. I played melee a bit as a kid but I don’t have a GameCube anymore.

@@NihongoGamer Haha all good! Im a box melee player (we often call them boxes or rectangles in the smash community) so it was just a lil quirky to me :)

As a little side detail, the default layouts for smash leverless controllers is specifically taylored around spacie (fox and falco) tech skill in melee, which is part of why i found the constant mention of ultimate rather than melee a little funny 😁

I made one myself almost 200$ - Fusion board 130$ - Sanwa buttons 50$ - Wires 15$ - Case free if you choose a shoebox, but I 3D printed mine because I know how to design so 15$ Total 195$ Now if someones sells them there is not a lot of margin if you buy a ps5 compatible fightstick.

@@tesoufgc afaik boards with mechanical switches and 3D printed buttons will be cheaper, sanwa are pricey

Couldn't agree more, I bought the kitsune like a dumbass and found out I could have made one with all the custom design I wanted for less

There's a keyboard that did this. Dumang DK6. Xah Lee's website has a page on it.

impossible, all the buttons still need a wiring harness to go to the pcb, once you slide them around clockwise once, they'd break the wires. if you went the opposite direction and designed a pogopin pcb, that's no different than each button having a dedicated hole. and if you COULD get sliding across the fascia, that means every button would need an ic to id one button from another, otherwise there's be no way to recognize which button goes where. and all the above options raise the price, where we start getting in to the $500+ USD category

@@natayaway >that means every button would need an ic to id one button from another Yep, that's how the Dumang DK6 works. Definitely not $500+ but I am seeing one site selling it for $379, so pretty expensive anyway.

I think making the switch is worth it. Being able to jump and immediately hit a c-button for an aerial with a different finger is pretty sweet. Also the modifier button to walk means you don't have to try as hard to push the stick the right amount, and you can drop from a run to a walk immediately and precisely. I've got an Open-Frame1 I've played a lot of Rivals of Aether and Smash Ultimate with.

The main advantages to a dedicated leverless controller over a keyboard are - console support (though I'm curious if anyone's gotta GP2040-CE working on one of the RP2040-based mech keyboards like the recent revisions of the Iris) - can rearrange the buttons in a different layout from your keyboard (different curves/spacing) - button cap shape can be round or square or whatever you're into, can also be bigger than on a keyboard - works with little to no configuration in most games since it's configured like a standard controller - you might prefer e.g. linear switches for fighting games and clicky switches for general computing - in the case of platform fighters with analog movement, you can have modifier keys to emulate different distances and angles of an analog stick to allow both walking and running I'm guessing you mainly play on PC and don't go to tournaments where they use consoles and you're okay with the trade-offs. I'm in a similar boat but will sometimes play on consoles with friends and enjoy a lot of the features a dedicated controller gives me.

IMO nothing beats a good lever that actually suits your preferences. Too many people try those crappy Sanwa JLFs with erectile dysfunction and assume they don't like any sticks.

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