Perhaps the other advantage to the Flic Twist is that when loose (rather than walk mounted) it will work the same no matter the orientation/ having to look at the unit compared to the Hue Dial with four quadrants to find. Ie Flic Twist could be used in the dark/just by feel. (Does Hue Dial have the button label dots raised or just printed on?) I'm still tempted to buy a Hue Dial to test out hands on and discover anything I didn't anticipate, especially as it is available now!

Also, I really like that Hue made a black switch! I'd also like Hue remotes and buttons in black as it suits some rooms better, plus helps to distinguish between re.ites if some are white and some are black. (I also just learnt i missed the one off day on Black Friday I could have ordered black Flic buttons to match car interiors...where I currently have no matching white ones....)

UPDATE:13 Dec 2022 I've purchased a Hue Tap Dial to try out: The 4 buttons can each independently control different lights (either a single Zone OR up to 3 Rooms together- the other rooms/zones grey once you've maxed out at 3 Rooms OR 1 Zone when setting up each button in the Hue App) but when setting up each button you could to select the same Rooms/Zone for some or all of the buttons if you wished, in whatever combination as long as each button doesn't control more the 3 Rooms OR 1 Zone. These buttons work like individual single Hue Smart buttons. Then the DIAL can control a only single Room or a single Zone (NOT multiple Rooms like the buttons can). The function of the DIAL is COMPLETELY Independent of the buttons. Think of it as a fifth independent switch. This is just 5 independent switches - 4 buttons and 1 dial - packaged together in a single housing. The Dial does NOT brighten/dim the last pressed button or held down button, nor does it scroll through colours. My experience is using the Hue App; I wonder if anyone has found more functionality with other apps? (HUE Essentials?) I also have Flic Twist on preorder and will compare once I have received. If Hue Tap Dial could be software updated to HOLD(button)&TWIST to control the lights related to that button, this would be much more appealing, and I'm guessing would add intuitive diming control over 4 light groups Vs I expect intuitive diming AND colour scrolling in the Flic Twist, but for one light group only via twist for diming and Hold&Twist for colour scrolling. (Flic twist can control more, but I am refering to intuitive control for visitors etc).

@@steffenfrost995 Hi, wondering if you can help, I've just got one of these. For my hallway / landing which has 3 lights (hallway, stairwell and landing). I want the buttons to control each light with the 4th button as a spare (maybe turn the whole house off), when I try and set each button to an individual light I can select them in the "entire home" section (as choosing a room doesn't let you then select an individual light, however they don't work as you would expect, each button doesn't control the individual light. They seem to turn one on, then another button will just cycle a scene on the light already on. I've found a way around this by setting up additional zones, 1 for each of the lights and assigning the buttons to these zones and it works as I want but then I just have 3 extra zones which is a bit annoying. Not sure if I'm missing something or if this is intended, just wondering if you had any insight? I've updated the software to the latest. Cheers

@@willhellier Hi Will. I'm not really using this fully. I'm using just the dial temporarily to dim bathroom lights and ignoring the other buttons. Once the flic twist ships, I'll use those for each room as they will be intuitive for all family members. Sorry I can't help further! But maybe make each light an individual room and the 3 together a zone?

No.. nothing yet.. annoyingly!

Thank you so much! It means a lot!

I think what he is refering to is mounting over, so the switch is still there should anything go wrong, you may very well be able to replace the switch. Let us know how you get on if you try!

"the rest is just toys basically" No its not. Ive installed just one Tap Dial Switch on the first floor to control the lights of different rooms. For example: on button 1 i have the hallway lights, button 2 the nearby bathroom lights, button 3 the hallway and second floor. So its way more then just a dimmer.

@@JasperHovenga But then the dial seems useless. At least for me - I can't think of the reason you'd want to change the brightness of a room from outside of it.

@@JasperHovenga Of course it's more than a dimmer, I just meant that any functionality beyond dimming isn't strictly necessary. The four buttons inside the dimmer wheel is a nice trade-off, whereas the regular Hue remote is way too convoluted, you can't expect anyone else to know how to operate the lights just by looking at it, multiple presses and longhold is bad UX in general.

If the existing bulbs are Zigbee compatible, they’ll work with the Hue hub, if not, they won’t

Yes you can .. And the dial can alter the brightness wherever you specify- but it’s not related to the button presses

@@kiphakes I think most people, myself included implicitly assume that the dial will 'dim/brighten the 4 buttons'. Although you could adapt to use it how it actually functions, I feel this is far less functional in reality, than you would initially assume...

Until this is updated to hold a button while twisting to dim whatever that button selects, this disappoints as hue do not explain concisely upfront the limited functionality compared to what your intuition would assume. Has anyone tried configuring this in another app (like Hue essentials) to see if this can be configured more powerfully there? (I've deleted hue essentials as my system seems to perform better with one app only). Waiting on Flic Twist to compare, but hoping the Hue Dial can be software updated as it would be a fairly powerful product if the dial could control each 'button'.

Yes to all of that… but the dimmer part will only dim what lights you’ve told it to.. so you could set it to dim a ROOM, and it will dim all the lights that are switched on in that room

@@kiphakesthank you, this answers my question. I’ll guess I just have to add the reading light to a new room.

May I ask what app you are referring to, just in case I run into any native Hue limitations?

I will investigate!

Yeah. You can set each button to control a different light

@@kiphakes Thanks!

I would like to manage the ensis lamp with this switch but i dont konw if it is possible without the bridge thanks

It needs the Bridge

@@kiphakes many thanks

Yes

No it doesn’t work like that. The dial only works on the room , zone or light you’ve assigned to it, the button are independent

@@kiphakes I bought one to try... And this is the reason it's not as great as you would assume....which is a shame

@@kiphakes not sûre you Can assign a button to a specific might, only per room or zone I Guess. Please check

I’ve put the link to ones I’ve used for the Tap Dial here - How To Replace A Light Switch With A Philips Hue Tap Dial Switch kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rN1kg5epxsvMZ58.html

​@@kiphakesThanks, I've ordered the Samotec SM223-UK but judging by this is looks like I need the (SM202-HTD) as well. thnx

No, no multi clicks

No it doesn’t

it does. but with a huge limitation. you can only control the brightness and change the basic shades of white. the rest of the colors (and scenes) must be handled within the app

You could if you create different scenes and assign them to one of the four buttons

Yes

Any Hue light can be controlled with it

@@kiphakes thanks man

Not sure! Sorry

You tell it which light, room or zone that the dial controls

@@kiphakes thanks for the information

You could make one of the buttons be an ‘off’ scene I guess?

No.. I recommend watching a later video I made about a solution for that! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rN1kg5epxsvMZ58.htmlsi=Nwn_Mv2H6EqDUmR4

You can configure the dial to control a light, room, or zone. (Or your entire house)

Yep!

Yeah, if you put them in a zone together

It can. Just make a scene with the light you want to control being on.

Thanks for the reply! Trying that now, but I only see Default Scenes that can be selected. I dont see any of the custom-made scenes, and dont see a way to custom a scene.@@kiphakes

I figured it out. Thanks. @@kiphakes

I’m not sure!

Power outage? As in when the battery dies?

@@kiphakes nope, power outage for all the house. Batteries still new. That weird really. Had to set it up again this morning. Maybe because of Lost connection with the hub ? I really don't know.

Just to specify, it was micro power cuts, power going on and off several Times, so even the lights went all on enendough the last state was duly set up ...

@@theattorney6072 That's REALLY weird - never heard of anything like that. I've had a power outage at home and the dial has been fine.. 🤔

@@kiphakes Yes Indeed, me too. Had other normal power outage and everything went fine. Today was the first Time this happened. It was micro power cuts, and all lights went on. My wife was trying to turn off the lights with the tap dial but it was not responding anymore. So I had to turn the lights off with my phone and set up again the tap dial (which takes a long Time as you know). This is very annoying as if I wasn't home i could not even set up the dial again, as one have to be connected to the home wifi, so my family would not be able to turn the lights on or off with the dial untill i Come back.

Yes you can… and it’s a hold to turn off.

@@kiphakes Thank you! Are you still happy with it, does it work well?

@@martincarlberg9671 yes.. love it

@@kiphakes If adress four different lights with four different buttons in the same room, how does the dimmer work? Does it dimm the the button that was pushed last?🤔

No .. it dims the light, room or zone you assign to it

You can do that.. just use scenes?!

As many as you like! Just put them in a 'zone' and it can control all of them.

Which ones?!

@@kiphakes the 3 new bulbs announced a couple of weeks ago.

UPDATE: I read an article that states{Philips Hue halts Lightguide bulb sales due to ‘aesthetic’ defect...} it seems that the release postponed until further notice.

Yeah.. I did a bit of research and saw that. I’ll definitely get one when they are out.

I disagree slightly, I don’t always want to pick up my phone or shout at a smart device to make me lights do something. It’s always good to have more choice in my opinion! 👍🏼

The one thing Tesla owners always asked for was more physical buttons

As someone who tried to do everything with voice and app controls, trust me this is way better. Automations and switches are the smartest way to control a smart home, especially if you do not live alone. The accessories HAVE to be controllable by everyone that lives in a space, and this is the best solution: you get to keep your scenes, colors, automations, etc., while whoever else is there (including yourself) has access to easily control the lights without having to pull your phone out of your pocket or shouting clumsy voice commands.