The funny thing is that while they have such beautiful ships, they use ridiculous ones like the scythe class.

I love how the ships have the two varietiants on one hull lore, then you look at the hand drawn pictures and, well, ain't no way the Defender and Majestic started with the same chassis.

Can I comment that I really liked Zahn's mention of the Nebula and Endurance classes in the Hand duology? He put them in idependant planetary/Sector fleets, showing that the Republic was *Not* a monolithic government that hoarded its bets tech for the central government. It had no equivalent to say, the SLDF Royals in Battletech where the most loyal force got the strongest gear. YOur sector wants to buy the newest defense ships? Sure! Takes some of the stress off of the Five Fleets! (Also the smaller provisions bays make the New Class actually kinda self-restraining if a sector wants to go rogue and start conquering anyone but its closest neighbors in earnest.)

I can see where people are coming from about SWTOR republic armour but personally I find it really cool, and it’s not like kotor old republic soldiers weren’t similar to the rebel soldiers from a new hope. So I can easily rationalise it as a tradition of the republic to copy and standarise Mandalorian armour

I have always liked the look of the Nebula and Endurance classes. Something about the look of that space triangle vs other space triangles just appeal to me.

Note to self: If I ever make a lore heavy space opera that has multiple contributors, hire Corey to be the Lore Master...

This is a good example of why I’m kind of surprised that there isn’t anyone whose job is to make sure that everything follows the lore.

I just assumed it was like WW2 where the fancy ships were arguably too important politically to squander in fleet action despite that being their intended purpose. In NJO i imagined the New Class ships were out there acting as fleet in being on key worlds we dont see attacked, as the 5th Fleet are mentioned throughout

The artwork from the 'Craken Threat Dossier' might better be described as the 'On Crack Threat Dossier', the crude pencil scketches are some of the worst ever put to print.

Those EAW models are brilliant

While seemingly unpopular I actually really like the design of the Defender Stsr Destroyer, it kind lf feels built off of the same design motifs of the majestic and the assault carrier and had a generally pretty neat looking aesthetic to it

Star Wars tends to have a bit of an "iconography" issue where stuff's used because it was in the movies, rather than if it makes sense. I'm all for iconic designs and maintaining a coherent style for factions, but using the same designs over and over just gets boring.

It makes sense that they would continue to use ships from the Mon-Calamaris shipyards. Their later purpose built combat models were considered pretty good and the MC90 onwards had the inter-species functionality smoothed out. The MC90s were only about 5-10 years old by the time the Endurance and Nebula started coming out, so they should still be quite new and effective. It's also worth remembering that large ships take a fair bit of time and resources to make, and can only really be built at certain large shipyards of which the New Republic was pretty stretched on all counts. So it make a lot of sense from a Production, economic and political point of view to keep using ships built by the Mon Calamari. And if the Mon Calamari have been building large ships for the Rebellion/NR for about a Decade or so, then it makes sense they'd be able to out produce the Nebula/Endurance class ships.

Any chance we could get those renders of the New Class ships as wallpapers? They look lovely.

Thank you Corey for covering this topic! The New Republic fleets nevwr got enough attention especially in the NJO

In the NJO books, there are a few references to the New Republic purposely keeping their bigger and newer fleets close to the Core, and leaving the Outer Rim to fend for itself. Presumably this included the 5th fleet, and new ships like the Mediator, Strident, and Viscount-classes.

Sharing the same chassis is a sound tactical decision, never thought about it before. The enemy won’t know the true capabilities of each vessel

Man, I want the NCMP vessels back.

Correction on the Nebula-class: While EJ's version shows up much later in EGTW, there was a much earlier version with a similar profile which was created for the 2001 book, Starships of the Galaxy, which does mean the Invasion comics had a bit more time to incorporate them.

Good effort in collating all the different references of the Black Fleet trilogy New Rep ships. Good old says, 25ys ago when we read this......

I LOVE the Endurance Class and Nebula Class. They're my favourite design by far. I hope they show up in the new cannon too.

Redesign for Defender/Nebula happened in New Essential Guide to Vehicles & Vessels, years before Invasion comics.

the reason they don't appear much is simple, you can't milk nostalgia with new stuff, specially if the new stuff is suppossed to replace the old one outright. its why all the x-wing replacements failed, its why you continue to have rebellion era designs reappear constantly and be competitive enough to be worth using despite being seemingly obsolete

Your visuals reminded me how obviously the legends comic book artists were heavily influenced by space battleship Yamato era Japanese ideas of alien space battleship designs. Cheers

The fact that they haven't had a fleet/starship v starship fight scene in space since _ROGUE ONE_ shows that they didn't "forget," they _don't think its important_ to have ships shoot at each other in space. They didn't forget about the New ship class program, they just don't _care_ about it. Star Wars is full fantasy now, you don't see the ships have any importance at all anymore, when every scene is on a planet, and people only talk on ships now.

From among the New class fleet, I only like the nebula and the sacheen The K-wing, despite many liking it, looks too oldschool design for my liking. Though I kinda like how it's reminiscent of the real word A-10

The nebula class redesign was shown before 2012

So whats the operstional lifespan of ships in ster wars? I hear somewhere, maybe even on this channel that darth ceadus had an imperial 2 destroyer as his flsgship. Were they still building new imperial desgins at thst point, or was that a 40+ yr old ship?

I havent read a lot of the legends books yet, but i feel likeone weapon from the program never gets mentioned again. The "egg" from the black fleet crisis which is supposed to be able to bust the ships of capital ships. Do they get mentioned again?

real world analogue for the kind of development hell that these ship types must have gone through would be per-dreadnought battleship development in France

Won't lie, even I don't know whether or not the Black Fleet Crisis trilogy of novels really did deserve the broad strokes/canon discontinuity it got come New Jedi Order onwards. Sucks that it's admittedly one of the rough patches of otherwise excellent Legends lore though, all things considered. But at least we got these ships, the surprisingly interesting Lobot spotlight story, and the introduction of the Battlestar Galactica expletive "frak" to Star Wars as a whole.

@8:43, what are the four ships in the middle with the pointed nose? The ones that kind of look like a cross between a Marauder Corvette and a k-wing?

I love the updated New Class design ships for the video. Where can i find them?

I love the Black Fleet Crisis Trilogy. Lando's part was useless, and Luke's was necessary but could really drag, but the rest was good enough to carry.

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its sounds like you are saying haul not hull

Just a little note regarding later ship use in Star Wars (not that Disney rubbish!) In the fight against the Yuzhang Vong, General Wedge Antilles used a Super Star Destroyer to perform the "Emporer's Hammer' tactic on Yuzhang Vong ground forces!

Star Defender to replace the name of Star Destroyer is still the stupidest idea for the New Republic fleet. Just use Star Cruiser instead

My theory Defender class star destroyer 1200m Nebula class Star defender 1800m Same design philosophy Ship killer vs fleet killer Traditional vs experimental Fair vs unfair First Defender class named Nebula First nebula class named defender (For confusing the enemy or maybe the polticians , same design silhouette and based on half built eclipse ssd design , Can be confused with Defender class easily by silhouette and it being published as most advanced in NR navy) Nebula class Star defender 3x onager class artillery main cannons spinal long range(also used on starhawk mk3 ,Tractorbeam battery is for public display and Enemy peace keeper activists inside Senate ,easily replaced by mass produced Artillery cannons) 18 central octaple turbolaser barb 72 pulse Quad laser turrets AA 36 hexa ion flak turrets AA 2x Victory Missile platforms 8 x Bow rapid torpedo dispenser batteries (ion,assault,plasma) 1 x rapid fire mass accelerator long range heavy torpedo \fighter launch tube 3 x 72 of Starfighters(x, y, b) 2 x 72 Droid interceptors(Tri\delta) 72 racked Ties(defenders) 72 LAAT\Nu gunships 3 IPV2c stealth light corvettes Additional units of accompanying CR97 super corvettes squadron(18) And 6 Fulcrum Tactical stealth destroyers (700m) ( bulk hammerhead design ,Battle axe program) Fulcrum Stealth system Mon cala hull and shields Adv Fighter launch system Long range warfare capabilities Fulcrum Fleet Command (flagship completed and modified Eclipse) (Im a legends guy) Used for Stealth strikes with complete destruction of target and lowest identification possibility , Advanced stealth warfare Unit , a task force of ISD mk3 and MC90 on stand by for hiccups in missions , or when conventional warfare is not possible

Huh, I got unsubscribed! Fixed that

you're telling me this media project is trans???