Thanks a lot. Also very happy to see that the channel is already gaining some tracktion from these brands. This will be an exciting one. Once the FSA stem arrives i m ready to go 🤜🤛

Thanks a lot 🫶

Me neither hehe. Waiting for a couple components to arrive and will get started 🤜🤛

Wicked. Congrats mate. So far looks like an impressive frame. But we will see once it is out on the road 🤜🤛

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Thanks a lot. Yes first impressions and now expectations are really high for this one. 30mm might be a real good idea for this 🤜🤛

Lets see how it rides 🤜🤛

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Me too. Thanks a lot 🤜🤛

Me too. Lets see how it holds up 🤜🤛

Lets see how the size fits once it is build up. Could also be that it is a bit on the small side but i actually prefer it this way also with my other bikes and then rather have a longer stem.

@klein-concept Good point, and perhaps it’s hard to judge when it’s just a frame on its own. I’m excited to see how it turns out.

Me too 🤜🤛

That could of course be but i think Winspace is by now established enough that if there would be common issues with the frames we would have already heard about it. On the other hand i have also seen other youtubers getting frames for review which have not been perfect either.

Will make sure to cover this comparison in the build.

@@klein-concept You made a very nice video about building the bike but I'd like you to tell us more about R12 (pros and cons, your general thoughts, user experience, whether you like it or not really...)

I will try to add it in the comparison but bottom line is that i really love the R12. Was almost considering copying it s geometry for my custom titanium build. I only decided against it to be able to better compare steel to titanium ride feel so thats why i went for the Standert geo.

@@klein-concept What about the sizing? Is the R12's size chart similar to European brands? How tall are you and what size you have? I'm 175 cm and I am choosing between 52 and 54.

Will add some endoscope shots in the build video. No problem 🤜🤛

Thanks :))

Good point. Let me ask. They might be on Chinese New Year holidays already so might take a moment to hear back.

Let me share the quote i got from Winspace which they allowed me to share here: "Our Agile model underwent 8 versions during its development. The medium size you're looking at uses the 7th version of the mold, which has been thoroughly road-tested without any issues. This doesn't mean that the current medium-size frame is 'defective' or 'less perfected.' It's just that our designers made some minor geometric adjustments in the final stages. They aimed to avoid excessive sensitivity in handling. In fact, professional cyclists who tested our seventh version found its handling to be quite impressive. The decision to increase tire clearance was made very late in the development process, so apart from that, the differences are minimal. Essentially, the handling of the seventh version might be perceived as more responsive." Hope this helps. If the tire spacing is so essential for you, it might make sense to wait a bit as i think chances are high that they will update that clearance at some point. But as i m not really riding wider tires than 28mm that would not be an issue for me.

@@klein-concept thx for following up and getting a response. Much appreciated

Of course. I am around 187cm. I have not ridden the bike yet but it seems to be the right size from first glance.

@@klein-concept Thank you! I looked again at the frame geometry and realized how wrong I was xD i am indeed a size M and not L, and your comment just confirmed that haha

@@HoshinoMirai glad it helped 🤜🤛

It is a beautiful frame. And build up it looks even better. It is only cheap when you compare it to a Specialized, BMC or any other major brand. If you want to go really cheap and on a budget you could have a look at the Velobuild frames. Will not be as light but they also have some quality frames in their selection.

It is worth the wait i think 🤜🤛

Ja leider gibts von denen keine rim brake version 🫣. Zusammenbauen geht ganz easy selber. Step by step video kommt demnächst.

Valid point. I actually wasnt aware that the T1550 has a similar weight. I have now looked at the geo side by side it seems that the Agile is a bit less aggressive and therefore more suitable for a bigger target group of potentially first time road riders. I assume that for that slightly more relaxed geometry it might also be a bit more comfortable on longer climbs.

​@@klein-concept the Agile also fits up to 32mm tires while the T1550 is limited to 28mm..I am not convinced yet that we really need to go that wide but I agree that it goes in the direction of confort the other difference between the two models is the carbon fibers used but I am heavily skeptical it is something that the end user will perceive all in all, I think I was expecting something much lighter, an all rounder sitting between the SLC and T1550..I was looking for a "more aero" bike to build and I was planning to go for the Agile but I am now convinced to go for the T1550

@@io8787 i also rarely run anything wider than 28 but happy to have the option to push it a bit. Curious to see how it compares to my R12.

@@klein-concept for what is worth in terms of comparison, I own a SLC 2.0 and I can assure you Winspace is mega..extremely stiff but never to the point of being uncomfortable, easy to ride in downhill and well responsive in acceleration..everyone I asked to about the T1550 gave me similar enthusiastic feedbacks, so I am sure the Agile will be a top quality frame too

@@io8787 Very happy to hear that. I have also heard a lot of good things about the Winspace frames starting from the T1500 from a couple years ago. So i m very interested to see how this one rides.

Thank you. Hehe yes for the next unboxing i will use regular scissors 🫣🫶

@@klein-concept i care for the rights and proper handling of ceramic knives 😅

@@luisvalenzuela5132 rightfully so. I will do better in the future 😂😂

Please take into account that this was with the rear and front derailleur hangers as well as the bottle cage bolts. I think what they list on the site is the weight of the naked frame.

Weight on their website is unpainted, white paint adds probably around 150g. 15g for bottle screws, 30 for the derailler hanger and inserts. Thats how most other manufacturers sell their frame weight too.

No just the frame but headset seems to be pretty compatible with FSA systems.

Thanks bro can’t wait to see you setup this super machine.

@@bagusla_alhamdulillah me too hehe 🤩

Ceramic Speed knife 😂😂

@@klein-concept, that's gotta be worth half a watt.

Which two do you mean being almost the same bike? 🤔

​@@klein-concept bmc, steel bike, standert, yoeleo and now winspace and titanium bike . If don't take into account the tire clearance and brake system, for me they are -/+ the same)

@@Glebaka ah now i understand. I just love a good road bike and there are actually quite some differences when it comes to material. Steel rides way different than carbon and within the carbon frames i am trying to better understand what makes the difference. For example while my BMC is the most expensive one, i like to ride it the least. So with this one i want to see how it rides for example compared to my Yoeleo R12 which i really love.

healthy and smart approach, i totally support trying as many frames as possible, i have and that's how i learned what each can do, really curious what your findings are@@klein-concept

Thats wicked 🫶. You mean the frame or full build?

@@klein-concept both😉

@@thomashald8000 hehe nice one. What groupset are you running?

@@klein-concept 105 di2 but with red crank and 1x system so effectively it becomes ligther then da. But lots of small weight mods, 7.06 kilos

@@thomashald8000 love it 🤜🤛

Hey, just to say first, i dont see a reason to start calling this BS. You always have the option to not watch the video. I m putting effort into this and share whatever bikes, tech or frames i have access to. Thats all i can do. So there was either this unboxing or purely no unboxing of the Agile. But anyways of course i can not say if this is a specially prepared frame or just a random one out of the production line. But recently there has been a video by Cam Nicholls who also got a frame for review by another brand and it was obviously not in perfect condition. So one could really argue about if these companies really put that extra effort into review units. During my day job i work in music hardware production and manufacturing and when I send out units for review i just get random units picked from the warehouse as all of them are the same quality. Having special review units would just create too much overhead and effort.

Sorry 🤷🏻‍♂️

don't ever apologize for getting free stuff, no one would have given it to you had you not earned it. Winspace been doing this a lot, they like sending free stuff for reviews, you have never been cocky or condescending about anything but humble and friendly, keep up the good work, you owe me a full review on the all integrated steel bike vs classic vs carbon frame @@klein-concept

@@ciprian7 thanks a lot. Glad to hear your perspective and really appreciate it. I hope that there will be some sun soon to do some more back to back rides to be able to better compare the bikes. I will at least try to do something like bike profiles to speak a bit more about them and their pro s and con s.

It means nothing to see a review of a product which he was given.He's never going to be honest about it if it is crap or they will never give him anything again @@ciprian7

The videos you post of stuff you actually buy are far better. This promotional stuff is obviously terrible@@klein-concept