Not when the question is “what cause are you fighting for?”

one of the few smartest replies in science, so much it has a bit of respect aka conjecture

I keep trying to tell my boss that...

@@gonzgonzalez2575 I assume you are now fired?

holy fuck this is fictional you dumbass, the neoliberals make you more concerned with a fucking fictional narrative instead of reality

@@cash_burner Wow 👏 Get some help.

@@MH3Raiser remove your eyes from the spectacle of the shadows moving and leave the cave

@@cash_burner Yes and there is you raging and cussing at a comment that's just explaining a scene from the very fictional movie you talked about. You must have half an IQ and lots of time to write rubbish where it doesn't matter.

@@cash_burner people arevery arrogant. Now they love capitalism because of this bad scene omg.

Hello 2020

was about to comment this

Holy shit I didn’t realize that was stormfront

Holy shit, I thought she looks familiar from somewhere

Oh, yeah., It is her.

You can see the electricity building.

@@Sfdjdhrh I smell a storm coming.

Its also what happens when the unprepared self appointed spokesperson meets a prepared professional who actually cares about what they are talking about. This is the same character who later uses "I teach college" as some magical status putting her above all of us dullards.

@@adamsmyth1156 ya. We are just joking about how she plays a character in another show...

@@adamsmyth1156 r/whooosh

+Tim Mullens it's a fictional character

+frackle as the fictional 'forest gump' was told by the fictional 'colonel dan' when it was pointed out that he had no legs 'yes, I know that'.

+Tim Mullens To be fair he was a bit a dick here^^

+Marine T yep -that's his job -her job was to be prepared -she wasn't. He's right wing -she's left wing -she is thrown into the lion den-as Mackenzie anticipated:'here comes dinner'.

Tim Mullens His job is not to be a dick. No one's job is to be a dick. He could have show the weaknesses of her reasoning without being mean (and he did come to apologise after).By the way, a journalist is supposed to be neutral, his political opinion should not matter (whatever the political side of the channel). So no he was not professional. From her, yeah she was not prepared enough. But I do think it's also very hard to think clearly and react well facing stress and camera. Both characters did wrong, but they're so human, that is why this show is so awesome.

+John G. Hill Didn't Bill Maher say something similar?

+faolan1686 Yup he said they have to get out of the park and into the voting booth.

+John G. Hill Will was spot on in this interview. This was exactly the problem that I foresaw with the OWS movement. I supported their intent, but they had no end game. They wanted change, like a lot of us do, but no real plan for actually making that change occur. Emotion without action is pointless.

They didn't want "change"; they wanted to protest. That is what Will was exposing.

Also important to note is that Will admitted later on that he deliberately went at her in order to dispel the notion that ACN had a liberal bias, since Will attacks the GOP so frequently.

They thought things were so bad that a step in _any_ direction was better than the status quo. But it's hard to make progress when you don't know where you're going, how to get there if you did know, and repeating slogans to people who ask questions.

@@jamietodd2560 Oh I don't know... our politicians here in the UK have been doing that for years! 😂

You have *no* idea? You don't know how to vote only for the best candidates and don't accept bullshit? Because that's the best you can do next to running for office yourself.

Perfectly ok for a feminist to violently assault a man, but it a man did that to a woman….

Well... for Queen it worked ^^

+thatnorwegian guy (warp10ck) OWS was also a much smaller movement.

Yes and no. OWS suffered the same problem the progressive movement did back when Ginsburg screwed everything up, it was overwhelmed with a propensity for garbage idealism and unrealistic goals, coupled with the mindset that "Leaderless" somehow meant that no one was responsible if the movement was cracked down on. What it failed to realize is that "Leaderless" inevitably means EVERYONE involved is responsible if there's a crackdown. That said, OWS set in motion the same factor of progressive idealism that brought us a fringe candidate winning 22 states in a primary, and if not in this election, certainly in the next one, we're gonna see some major force in play in terms of younger voters that understand that paying slightly higher taxes is a small price to pay for better security in terms of living conditions, healthcare, well-being, infrastructure, preparedness for disasters and otherwise, and of not being so interventionist that we wind up having to overspend on military hardware no one asked for solely so we can effectively create yet another terrorist group that'll make sure that Americans travelling abroad have to look over their shoulders for the next several decades. They may have been a bunch of disorganized assholes squatting in parks, but they set in motion, or at least put some momentum behind the mindset that America, one of the richest nations in the world, can't afford to be behind every single other developed nation out there in terms of the treatment of its people, the refusal to adhere to basic human rights charters around the globe, and the inability to keep its businesses held under the understanding that if they want to do business in a nation, they're going to abide by that nation's rules.

TacComControl We can always hope for a progressive candidate but right now its four more years of establishment rule with Hillary or possible world war with Trump.

Hillary is a heavy handed interventionist, so we have the very real chance of world war with her as well. More to the point, we also have the very real chance that she may get a late indictment post-election but pre-inauguration, which would mean that her VP choice would immediately take the slot. If Hillary is Smart, and wants to get SOME of the Sanders supporters under her wing come election-cycle, she'll name him as her VP, and that could end that way for her, which would have the added benefit of keeping some of the hardest hard-line Republicans from attempting to impeach once she Does get elected(She would have the ability to pardon herself and personally order the FBI and the AG to never pursue the charges against her, a chilling thought) in a thought that some of them might not want Sanders in charge. That said, I think there're more Republicans on the floor, not counting tea party freshmen, that actually are looking forward to a Sanders candidacy.

TacComControl Looks like Elisabeth Warren is being considered for VP.

He makes very good points especially about where and who they are protesting

what was she expecting? That is what really baffles me... Just to skate on in and say "hey we have a movement... please. promote it" hahaha

Paul she wasn’t expecting anything. Just reading her lines thy were written for her. You people speak about Will and her like they are real people with real jobs! They are characters in a terrible show

@@Brendannolan1986 its called venting... Like maybe how you get pissed at a character on game of thrones or whatever show you may like... its the same here my friend.. and they are also reading lines that are written for them... Cheers!

@@Brendannolan1986 Characters still have motivations, thoughts and expectations. And these characters are caricatures of people, or at least types of people, who existed in real life. If you were to claim that this scene was unrealistic, sure that's a critique you can make of the writing. Though, there are morons like her everywhere so it seems pretty spot on to me. Finally, why are you watching clips if you think its a terrible show? Have you watched the rest of KZfaq already?

would you? I think it would be amazing if she did

She can’t. As soon as she sat in that chair she was DOA.

@@garbour456 if I actually believed what I was saying and had conviction to do whatever it takes to get it done, yes. That’s the thing with lots of people like her. They talk the talk for attention and to virtue signal…but when it comes to taking real action and living up to your own standards, they can’t do it as they only say what they do for attention or because they are told to. How many white liberals who claim to want diversity would give their job to a minority? How many of them pay extra taxes while claiming they support higher taxes? How many open their homes to immigrants while demanding to let all in? Maybe .000001% does.

@@russ7009 if she is that easily disabled, maybe she doesn’t actually believe them. Maybe she is just brain washed into thinking them but will not do what it takes to make it happen. She likes being the victim and virtue signaling. She said it herself. Her protesting will never end.

@@tjg801 You're glossing over the fact that she was humiliated on national TV and is rightfully angry. People who are angry tend not to act rationally. Yours is not an indictment of "people like her", but of humans being humans. When it comes to policy, how does giving up a job to a minority or paying extra taxes work in practice? It doesn't because 1. 99% of workers don't get to choose their replacement when they quit and 2. you have to submit tax returns every year. A better question would be, how many of these folks actively support diversity hiring policies and higher taxes (by which I assume you mean a more progressive tax policy)? I would wager that for most folks, the virtues they signal align with their voting record.

she knew Will would tear her up?

@@MikinessAnalog The character of Will was a former prosecutor, and a damn good one. Mac was with him during that time and knows how good he is. Another good example of how strong good a reporter he is, in the pilot, they did a report completely off the cuff. Will just asked for numbers and basically did the entire thing off the top of his head. Questions, follow ups, etc etc. And he rocked it.

Bravo

See I always get frustrated at this episode, because it's framed in a way that makes it look like Will is asking straight, to the point questions, but when you examine the actual questions without the news ticker and background music, they're way over the top compared to Shelly's initial answers. Shelly was asked what were some of the things that they were protesting, and she listed Citizens United (ruling that established that companies are people), co-opting of the government by the ultra-rich (in reference to the bailouts in 2009-10 and the appointing of Goldman-Sachs execs as governmental figures), and the fact that no wall street execs had been arrested after the financial collapse. Will then states they're not protesting anything specific, gives a very condescending explanation of his worth, and then asks what should replace capitalism? The list Shelly had of what they were protesting were all tied around the failure to hold large companies and execs accountable for their actions that impacted millions, not that the entire system of American capitalism should be replaced. There's more in the whole segment I didn't like, but this comment is getting too long, this clip was from almost 10 years ago now, and I'm tired.

@@kidfantastic93 I agree with you. I would also add that "Is it a good idea not to have a leader?" is pointless derailing bullshit because really, is this the time for a history lesson about grassroots movements and decentralised organisations or a thorough breakdown of their organisastional structure? No, it's demagogue bs aimed at delegitimising the movement. Similarly, "what should replace capitalism?" is demagoguery, and an ironically unspecific reply to her specific complaints. Now, all of those are probing questions that she COULD have given answers to (including pointing out what he was doing), but at this point it's less an interview and more a grapple for control of the conversation. Even if she has experience in public speaking, she is not a lawyer or a news anchor yourself. It takes a particular kind of skill and experience to take someone attacking down your position in bad faith and calmly use the opportunity to make you position look BETTER.

Sorry Dude - I know you're tired but she was a child on TV dealing with an adult world. She got exactly what she deserved. OWS was a overly nebulous and unfocused movement which is why it never went anywhere and was never relevant. @@kidfantastic93

Doctor Doom Why did he deserve it?

Bitch deserved to get pile driven

Dr pimple popper

I seriously wished there’d been someone else in that hallway to call 911 immediately and had her picked up before she left the building

Not gonna lie, you had us in the first half

How is asking a loaded question fair? Also he constantly makes snarky comments to have the last word. This is not an interview

@@pavelshliaha1706 It's called "adversarial questioning."

@@bourne2crimson397 how is deliberately messing of camera with your guest who is first time giving an interview called?

@@pavelshliaha1706 that last sentence you wrote didn't even make sense. but this was a completely fair interview, and neal said it best she answered all of his questions "incorrectly." It is an interview because he plays both sides of the fence, asking tough questions to guests especially ones with ridiculous and unthought out ideas. no matter how pretty they might sound, ideas don't mean shit if they don't stand up to heat.

@@pavelshliaha1706 His questions aren't loaded. They are perfectly reasonable. She just had no answers.

+Ares99999 I wonder how this scene would have gone over if Neal's character was female and the OWS representative was male.

Nic Hautamaki Exactly. What she did was pure, physical abuse. Its nothing less than assault. But because Neal is a man, its not depicted as a big deal. Now, if Neal had hit her right back, Neal would have been depicted as a slimeball. Double standard.

+Ares99999 That's quite a tangent you found yourself on.

faolan1686 Does it make it any less true?

+Ares99999 No, but you just seemed to get lost in your own train of thought.

Which is why I, and probably others like me, were so repulsed by the movement. It wasn't that they didn't have a message or a point, it's just the point and message had no follow through. They wanted change but had either no clue or no drive to make a real change. It was just a bunch of unwashed people making a mess and shouting a lot.

Well I wasn't so repulsed as I was curious. It was refreshing to see the initial reason for OWS but as time passed that statement "we are the 99 percent" got tiresome. I was rooting for them to find a solution to any of the issues OWS raised. This also unfortunately strikes deeper if you think about the real stigma OWS failure brings to future generations minds. Which is basically "resistance is futile", you can march up and down Wall st. or even capitol, yet in the end all nothing changed. Having a solution or not didn't matter, all the "1 percent" had to do was to wait for the "99 percent" to tire themselves out. Basically its like the aristocrats are looking down at the local peasants from their chateaus as to laugh at their folly for change.

Which is exactly what this show pointed out. Sorkin blasted the Occupy movement. It was almost pitiful to watch.

I think Sorkins was more trying to make a point that any one with a brain can spout off WHAT is wrong with our government /society. Yet when it comes to HOW to fix it , the average citizens voice is just as either one deluded or two simply don't know where to start. We have a myriad of problems which can not be solve by just standing behind an enlightening tagline.

Exactly. It was blatantly clear from the first episode of the second season, where even Dev Patel's character pointed out the main problem behind OWS where he basically said "or you guys are gonna be a joke" (or something, I forgot).

Are you talking about big block of cheese day?

@@jimmy2k4o yeah when Toby meets with those protesters, and CJ arranges it so that there are no cameras

Okay, what exactly was their great intentions. It seemed like an excuse for a fun summer break acting like "The Lord of the Flies" with some constraints.

Looked like a gut punch to me ... a bit over a foot higher.

How do you know they had great intentions? O still don't know what their intentions were.

Why is COOL if a women hit a man but BAD if man does so? Both is wrong. Violence is no opinion - and if women don't wanna have violent men then stop surporting violence against men. In wisdom of KUNGFU it's said that violence only bears violence.

It's television. It's not real life. They just wanted to show you how angry she is. You are taking it to literally.

bornbillsmith except for the fact that if he hadève hit her it would be a public outcry. things like this should be equally reprimanded, ifnot both should be equally accepted. you choose. thats what the US is all about right?

If no injury results, almost all jurisdictions would actually only consider it harassment or misdemeanor assault at most. You can't get over one year in jail unless you seriously harm someone or come at them with a deadly weapon.

Really one year? I just was joking about the 2 years. I didn't like that scene because it was cheap idea to beat the "bad man".

this is the same as the Joey Siu interview on DW news, which was just posted yesterday. So your comment is timely

workoutfanatic787 thanks and I just kind of stumbled upon the interview today it was BRUTAL but Tim Sebastian did ask a lot of good and tough questions that should be asked

No comparison.

There is no change without compromise.

They won't, but perhaps I'm jaded. Those movements typically end up evolving into pissing and moaning because the group will attract those types of people. Before you realize it, the group will be almost indistinguishable from antiwork. Best suggestion: find clever ways to make yourself more valuable in the job market. Certs, courses, videos, etc.

And, to be clear, Fox performed a more effective interview with that guy than CNN, MSNBC, and the rest would have because they are all the same side of the political spectrum. So, in short, you can thank Fox (yuck) for conducting an interview that was able to show how badly things had gotten with the antiwork movement. The others would have thrown softball questions.

Yup, where’d they all go? To Twitter to whine about other things.

ya, welcome to equality babe would have been on the lips of the arresting officer

I get your point, but if a man did this to me I still wouldn't have them charged with assault. Come on

@@garbour456. If a man did that to me he'd wake up in hospital to find himself being charged with assault.

@@modernsophist. He was standing in front of her to talking to her. She was standing there listen until he said "you tanked" then she hit him in anger. That's assault, I'm not a lawyer but i think it's aggravated assault.

With him blocking her way, she has a semi-plausible case that he was preventing her from leaving, which meets the US federal definition of kidnapping. If that affirmative defense was accepted, that would make this self-defense and, therefore, non-criminal. The US federal definition of kidnapping is so broad that international comparisons of kidnapping rates inevitably leave the US off the list. At the very least, it would be an argument that would move the plea deal a bit more her way.

He made hash browns...

+Tony Abraham It's about a TV show; You seem to have missed the point entirely.

No he did not he was just making another one.

That isn't hypocrisy. That character isn't the show.

Which I think was the point. She, like most in the OWS movement, had very little clue and got made to look like a fool; emphasized by her rash action of a nut shot.

*stomach

Aaron Sorkin is obviously back tracking.

lol is this suppose to be the conservative moment?

Obo Agboghidi Will McAvoy's criticism of the OWS movement IS a conservative moment, and he IDENTIFIES as Republican. He just doesn't let his ideals lead to blind ideological nonsense like the denial of scientific facts and the condemnation of homosexuals. If you don't think it counts as a conservative moment, then you're just typifying the absurd extremism that allows people to argue there is a "liberal bias" in the majority of media when it reports things factually. I'm sure the media looks "liberal" when you refuse to define conservative as anything other than the most extreme, uncompromising right-wingers. Hence how nutjobs--and I actually KNOW a couple people like this--somehow reach the conclusion that Fox News is too LIBERAL. (Are you kidding me?)

Im a republican, and Aaron Sorkin is a liberal! But he is an open minded, well informed, intelligent individual who does what he believes is right, not what is popular. His writing is fantastic, his opinions are fair, and he has my respect. As does every other reasonable human being, regardless of political affiliation.

Flash Gordons Themesong Well if you think that you are now officially a RINO to the Tea Party Republicans. Welcome to the club, we have hats, shirts and coffee mugs thinking of getting jackets this fall.

Is she being portrayed as a hero here? No, she's portrayed as an egotistical flake, and a little violent to boot. Are you sure you know what double standard means? She was a pseudo-antagonist in this clip.

@John Roush Doesn't matter. A guy doing that would have been brought up on charges. We'd have seen it happen, too. Or at least heard about it. Here, nada.

STanhope is a national treasure, carrying the legacy of Carlin and HIcks

I've never seen such a sound argument as to why the OWS is extremely flawed. My eyes are opened.

water5000 That's because you can't critically analyse, you watched ONE interview from ONE film and now you blindly believe the other side of the story, well done you are EXACTLY what the US media dreams of, drone that cannot think for themselves. And for 4 decades the Yanks mocked the left in Europe Ha! How the tables have turned.

taos treror Its interesting that you're judging him for something you, yourself, are doing.

Ares99999 I judge no one, I analyse, of course you understood the difference because you're a so called clever American.......... aren't you?

taos treror Heh.

I used to dispute that the right was unified. But then the President took forever to condemn the KKK and half-assed it and everything else he's ever done and everybody on the right just stopped criticizing him for it like the mythical suicidal lemmings walking off a cliff... so, yeah, the right is a little too united. Except a few like me.

I don't mean to throw shade, but that's a ridiculous statement. One does not need to know how to fix a problem in order speak out about the problem. When the AC in my office makes the place too cold, I protest to management. They then tell the maintenance dept to turn up the heat. In other words, my protestations reach the ears of those that DO know how to fix the problem. (Full disclosure: that was a fictitious example, but it does get my point across.) Our world is full of complex problems that will require complex solutions which in many cases will need teams of experts for fixes. It's silly to say "shut up if you don't personally know what to do".

Je viens de découvrir que SUR LA VIDEO on peut avoir les sous-titres en français

you are correct

I just gotta mention the "other side of the coin" to this comment. I will number my replies like @foxfireman188-ls1kv did: 1) Our whole country was founded on idealist goals without a clearcut idea of how to accomplish them. And we are still learning to this day. The first 13 years of our govt (the Articles of Confederation) did not work out as planned, for example. 2) I have a shallow understanding of how the automatic transmission in my car works...but I don't need to be an auto mechanic to know when it won't engage into Drive. We don't need to be experts to know when something is wrong. 3) Not sure about this particular statement but it seems to be related to #2. So I'll say again that (generally speaking) I don't need to be an expert to know when something is wrong. I don't need to be a doctor to know that a bone sticking out of a broken arm needs medical treatment. 4) Err...not sure what is being said here in #4 so I won't comment.

Prepared how? The questions had no answer because Occupy Wallstreet wasn't a real movement.

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