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Where is teen goten and trunks

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only if broly doesnt go insane 🙃

Well other universes who didn't participate will be stack asf Like one of their member will bully all dream team of u7💀

@@Joshua_Edits no they didn’t participate because they already had a high enough mortal level they didn’t need to participate

Fax

That's only because People complain when anything off screen happens and we haven't seen any of them not train but would still be foolish to believe they haven't since the last tournament And if we have the other universes involved that were excluded that anything is possible theoretically they can just make everybody strong for the sake of it

true uub has potential, but hes like 7 bruh hows he supposed to match jiren level power

​@@Mr.__Sofi actually seeing as there have been time skips this new TOP could take place years after so uub could be old enough

"You think a barrier would work?"

​@@purplewater4387yes it worked to jiren. Jiren is strong too he is prob so close to beast gohan power level im not joking he can stop any one with his eyes even didnt get timeskipped by hit

I agree! The fact 17 isn’t an absolute lock in his roster undermines his entire list. 17 has certain intangibles that no other character brings to the table that make him invaluable. The “team leader” role that Gohan failed to live up to in the first tournament of power was instead a role that 17 effortlessly and selflessly performed like a fucking boss. 17 is the rarest combination of not only fearless but egoless at the same time. He’s unshakable in battle remaining ever vigilant, pragmatic, and situational awareness that is never clouded by emotion. He is never seeks personal glory or validation, nor does he have a love for battle- for him personally and more importantly his role as a teammate makes these characteristics so valuable. He views the battlefield with a calm clarity only characters like Whis can do. His mind remains unclouded and unburdened from the emotions and egos that are often the other characters greatest strengths AND weaknesses. In the first tournament of power 17 was a mix between battle strategist and a first responder. Constantly aware of the changing situations, spotting vulnerabilities in their defenses and opportunities in their attacks, proactively coordinating and taking action whereever needed at whatever cost. Personally, after Goku and Vegeta, I think 17 would be #3 pick of MUST HAVE members on the team!

I was going say Trunks

​@@KevinMedina-ee9xl trunks would be allowed no way Bulma would allow him

​@@KevinMedina-ee9xlor the grand priest

Ui yamcha is not canon yet

​@@ItsShroowho cares bulma just send bulma on a trip with lots of money, she don't care for trunks, and trunks can easily go

Cringe where is he here didn't know he was in top

​@@alehlete830tf?

@@alehlete830tf you mean cringe imagine hating on a dead person

sthu@@alehlete830

​@@alehlete830 ☝️🤓

I see that. MUI Goku TOP >= Jiren at TOP. Black Frieza, Beast Gohan, Orange Piccolo, UE Vegeta, Granolah solo easily. Goku/Broly/Gamma could too. Merus after his nerf is a toss up, and it's crazy to think Uub solos easy if all the characters/powerups so far is *leading* to the End of Z, where Uub was evenly sparring Goku with who knows how many forms then.

You gotta remember that the old ToP was composed of the Multiverse's weakest foes. The high level universes were not allowed to compete. I'd say the average power level in the first ToP was maybe around perfect cell level. The fact that Roshi, Krillin, and Tien were able to compete and eliminate multiple fighters shows this.

@@jantheking7028 yes it has weak people but not only the weakest people

@@jantheking7028 yes and no. Jiren was still considered the strongest mortal in all the universes, but that's just one person who surpassed the other 9 of his team immensely. Universe 1 is the strongest universe, so it could have 10 fighters that arent necessarily Jiren level, but all approaching that.

@@jantheking7028the universe’s mortal level had nothing or at least very little to do with actual power

In the original Tournament yeah but in this one I doubt he'd be needed, honestly Beast Gohan should be enough to solo all of the other Universes unless Jiren and Toppo use potara or something and even then it may still be a very large gap from Beast to Jippo. Lol Jippo is a funny name, imagine an actual potara fusion of them Two.

@@CerealExperimentsMizuki I'm still taking him over uub and the other android. He's the smarter and more adaptable fighter. He wasn't the MVP for nothing. Just like sports, you can't just like what you see on paper.

@@ShinYeg I don't like sports, Android 17 won't be in any future tournaments.

@@CerealExperimentsMizuki your loss, that's an edge that I have in this category then. I can see this from an angle you can't. How would you even know that he wouldn't be included? Nobody said there would be another tournament anyway. But if there was, pretty sure they're going to pick the guy who won it for them. It's Toriyama's call at the end of the day and I'm pretty sure he's going to want to service the fans, not add some johnny come lately rag tags to fill out the roster. 93 others and counting seem to agree with me as well.

@@ShinYeg you just described all the points I made and that I already know. He never will be, and of course there most likely won't be another tournament that's why this is a theoretical idea, there's just better characters really, of course it's up to the show creator, oh wait no it's actually up to Toei since Marketing>Logic. I am glad I don't like sports, is the biggest thing in my Country second to Fishing and I've never been a fan of people just kicking balls around a big field, its never been appealing to me, I have far more productive things to work on. And this isn't one of them as this takes out less than a minute of my day each time.

Problem is Uub can't appear unless a future Super arc takes place after the End of Z. Goku and Uub still have to have their initial meeting at the tournament, and introducing Uub any more than he's already done in the Moro arc would mess up continuity.

I believe he is somewhere around mortal level so he might be

He could be, or out of fear of losing one of their top warriors in the case of a future tournament, he’ll reject the position

I bet he will comeback to past if another disaster happen in future just to continue the story

​@@mala1s6003imagine if baby is a future villain like black or the androids

@@TWLSoyuma are referring to dragonball GT charac?

@@mala1s6003 yeah

@@TWLSoyuma its well be good but i think if goku black from other time line and that goku black was goten come back its well be so good and better

this guy right here is spittin

Well it didnt really matter if they were dead. They only had to get them eliminate. Plus while he was dead he could actually feel everything. So there wouldn't really be any difference

@@terrancedavidson9343 the point is it's kinda unfair if you can just bring the best fighters of your Universe's history while other people just bring the one they could find. But since they did that with only one guy, I suppose it's ok.

Couldn't whis bring him back to life just with frieza?

@@guardian4452 Whis can't do that unless beerus tells him to because Whis isn't allowed to trifle with that kind of stuff unless the god of destruction sort of destroys his death

Or his day back in the living realm like Freeza used :)

I guess that's what I get for commented before finishing the last 45 seconds of the video lol. I see that you mentioned finding a way to extend granolah's life span 😅

@CarthusDojo True, I didn't consider the day back scenario cause I considered it to be more 'natural causes' type of death and didn't think it would be applicable lol - but I guess even then it could be a majin vegeta situation where they can restore his body in the afterlife for that period of time 🤔

Ya, the first tournament was necessary to have him join to avoid universal destruction, but the next tournament will most likely be for fun. Giving Frieza a chance to win the super dragon balls seems like it's not worth the risk.

Probably never will 😢 especially with them focusing on Dragon Ball Daima

I mean it has to happen eventually, no way they would abandon free money@@chefsalgadobx

@@chefsalgadobxdefinitely will come back in a few years. Daima is a miniseries and super hasn’t come back due to legal issues.

​​@@chefsalgadobxBruh, I hated the trailer so much!! I get that they want to do spin offs, but why not focus on other Z fighters? Like Gohan struggling with balancing his job, family and training? Edit: We could also have a Trunks and Goten miniseries or Android 17

Same brother same

Lmao I was totally thinking "Holy shit he's going to say Yamcha."

@@TheTurdle when I saw the reveal I was like HELL YEAH FUCK YAMCHA lol

I'm pretty sure he intentionally played that up.

Same he was also in the panel he showed so I thought he was gonna say him lol.

Well he did train 1 day by destroyed a metoer and hit parts of the metoer rocks as part of his training

nah i think buu would be a massive choice here, if he absorbed opponents (witch aren't killed and can be spat out later) he could gain immense power. I think he definitely lands a spot in the lower 5.

and buus power boost from absorbing is much greater since cell caps out at perfect form

@@zacharybarker3156 Frieza had a "Final Form" and got several more. I'm not convinced Cell would be capped at "Perfect Cell" seeing as how liberal this series is with new forms. So... I wouldn't dismiss Cell offa that basis.

@@WaltonGFilm the dude definitely would have something like Ultimate Cell

As long as the god doesn't intervene it should be fine. That being said a certain former angel definately wouldnt be aloud to participate so he would probably be the best bet to train buu given his patience. A certain sniper would likely also die out by reaching the end of their life span. Uub definately wouldnt make it. Last 2 spots would likely goto 17 & maybe if we're lucky, Cell. The thought of him coming out of nowhere kicking everyone's ass is hilarious. But it'd probably by future trunks

I was under the impression that he could because beerus would’ve sensed his Kai ki

Top literally became a Destroyer in the last Tournament of Power, and was not disqualified.

​@@SSNNPBCCThe Sniper can just ask an another set of dragon balls to restore his lifespan so no problem there, it's not even an immortality wish so it can definitely easily granted.

Man seeing buu do the wolf fang fist would be awesome

@@Fugitive685 Wolf fang fist is an awesome technique that's unfortunately stuck to one of the weakest fighters.

then vegeta could just split them later

This is actually a dope idea

So you’d have Buu absorb Krillin, 18, Roshi, Yamacha, Tien, Chiaotzu, and screw it let’s say Mr. Satan too for shiggles, and with that swap Meris for Buu and have 17 for the final spot and the whole gang is there.

If i remember right, person who became dead by old age can't be revived,like elder namekian

​@@r.speedwagon1758the super dragon balls might be able to do it.

@@solidsnakeandgrayfox probably

@@r.speedwagon1758 Goku (or Vegeta) could theoretically kill him so they can resurrect him later

@@r.speedwagon1758 you remember right. the regular dragon balls can't resurrect somebody that died of old age. although they could pull a fart and say that you can if you first extend his lifespan (similar to what they did to revive krilin when he died in namek) but the super dragon balls can grant ANY wish. that includes reviving seven whole universes.

Yamcha? when was the last thing yamcha was of any use beyond being killed? oh yeah. in the original dragon ball. and you want him to be on par with orange piccolo, vegeta's ultra ego, goku's ultra instinct, beast gohan and brooly? like hell that's going to be of any use. it wouldn't surprise me if Videl could become a better fighter than Yamcha. in fact, it wouldn't surprise me if she wasn't already.

Bro they not givin Yamcha that treatment 😂 everyone that fights now is literally at a god level and yamcha is just a humans

@@user-ww7vt8se1m yes. yamcha is just a human but there's a nice list of just humans that can wipe the floor with yamcha. tien, krilin, roshi, even videl could, probably, defeat yamcha. the only relevant human character that we know 100% couldn't defeat yamcha is mr. satan. but even he is more useful than yamcha.

Tenshin was a lot better

@@WilliamWizer The manga actually did him a bit of justice in the Moro arc, when he handled some of Moro’s goons without a problem.

Not really. Doesn’t work like that.

i was really disappointed that future trunks wasn’t in the T.O.P i feel like it was a huge missed opportunity!

Well, time travel is pretty illegal so I doubt that he would be allowed

Tbh you’re really underselling how strong Super Saiyan Rage is, it seems to get stronger with each use, as on his first use, he was Blue/Rosé level On the second he was able to briefly hold back one of Merged Zamasu’s attacks before Blue Vegeta had to step in and help On his third time he was able to clash on relatively even ground with Half Corrupted Merged Zamasu (who is stronger than regular Merged Zamasu) briefly before getting the Sword of Hope buff (some people call it Spirit Sword but Legends and Xenoverse 2 call it Sword of Hope and call Vegito’s Energy Sword Spirit Sword instead)

Yeah but that's not on the manga, and having different characters in the anime and manga would be a problem.

True I really forgot the most op ability.😅

Well with this team they still have some people with technically infinite stamina Broly seemingly never runs out and can go on and on with fighting even if he's getting beaten badly Gamma 1 is a machine so he probably has infinite stamina as well (I haven't watched super hero yet so I might be wrong) Vegeta can take a lot too and his ue doesn't have a time limit like ui Oob is like Broly he probably has a shitton of ki and thus can go extremely long

Bro imagine if we get super 17 how Stacked Is that team then

​@@dhfiwxjf Gamma 1 and 2 don't have infinite energy, they have to recharge after a certain amount of time, though it doesn't matter considering how damn powerful they are.

@@dhfiwxjf Gamma 1 and 2 don't have infinite energy. During his battle with gohan, he stated that he only had 82 percent of his energy left, meaning he has a limit. With that being said, he fought like 3 people in a row and never reached his limit, meaning his limit is pretty high

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I mean Uub when he trains with goku

@@BigSoulja69 that's not canon though right?

It is??

GT isnt canon

Is there any definitive answer to that question yet because I have been thinking about it ever since the end of dragon ball super but I’m thinking that the answer is yes based on the fact that he said all the universes that have been erased and not all the universes that were erased during the tournament

You can't give 17 the Trent Dilfer treatment.

I really hope we get a remaster of that arc. The concept is too good not to bring back.

This was my first thought Because Beerus mentioned that Zeno had already erased some universes I think 6 universes, because there were 18 instead of 12. I think they came back as well.

about "the dark univeres" thieory there is a fan manga that talk about it ( i forgot the name) but i think the option didnt rule out cause in the maga at granola arc i think there was mentiond a diffrent dimention so maby it is in fact the dark universe's that we looking foword into

i think a more realistic take would be u7 vs the four that sat out of the first tournament

I bett majin buu going turn into kid buu

He can’t turn into kid buu…kid buu turned into him

@@iLLuminatedWithDrenwell he can his physical appearance look exactly like kid buu but the power will be the same

@@musicindustrydrama838Kid Buu at tournament of power would be the most bad ass thing lmao

@@Mo_Murdawhy do i feel he will beat jiren lol

Appreciate that! We've worked hard to craft this style!

​@@CarthusDojo bro ur so epic but we still need the "The story if DBS i guess" xd

@@aurelkom9885 lol

@@aurelkom9885 dbs is still going so he can't

@@aurelkom9885 it's probably gonna be "The story of dragon ball GT, i guess" first

It could be broly

I think is gohan tho

@@brunosoaresmaciel1684 gohan is still not even Goku or Vegeta level

Definitely broly, I think neither goku or vegeta could ever surpass him.

​@@user-xn3hq5uu6owhat are you talking about his new form is on par with them and maybe even beyond

I honestly think yamcha could be a great fighter if goku and vegeta train him

@@johnnyboi290 Agreed…. man he had so much potential at one point but he gave up

@@Not_obligated2care Hmm... I wonder why? (Looks at the Super Writers) Hmm....

He did join the galactic police force during the Moro arc. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't he stay? Maybe Yamcha got better so I think he should take the last spot.

My disappointment when he chose Uub instead of Yamcha

The earliest universes eliminated would know that they needed to improve, but they couldn't have seen UI (or MUI, for that matter) Goku, nor much of Jiren's power before they got erased, so they'd have no idea how much they'd need to train to close the gap and likely wouldn't have guessed it was so big. The later universes would have some idea at least, but only Universes 7 and 11 were left to see MUI Goku vs. Jiren. Even then, it feels like Universe 7 may have still gotten disproportionately stronger and even Universes who did otherwise properly prepare might be caught off-guard.

their respectives angels did, and probably can reproduce it, just like how zamasu and his master were able to see the goku vs hit fight ​@@mattalevine

​@@draconomegayeah thats true, they still have stuff like godtube where they can see the fight

In tournament of power universe 7 was in bottom 2nd place in mortal power ranking... however now it must be grown lot. Team growing in point of power and freeze distroing week planets

Honestly if the other previous Universes got busy, training wise, the only two that would give Universe 7 a challenge is 11 and 6. Universe 11: It has Jiren. If he decide to keep up his training like normal or even learn from Angels like how Goku and Vegeta are, he'd obviously be a problem. Dyspo was pretty good. And either Toppo could be further along his GOD training, or if he's retired then Belmod could rejoin the Pride Troopers. Universe 6: Hit could obviously just train to improve all of his skills. Frost could go through some evolution like Freeza. Maybe those two Namekians, who previously fused with alot of other Namekians, could fuse together? And Cabba, Kale and Caulifla could learn ssj God and Blue.... then could get other saiyans to join and learn God ki. Then they could just fuse up and have a better chance 😅

I agree, there’s crazy potential for uub to have an arc.

It won't be as intense, because they know nothing is really on the line. Maybe Zenos can promise then rewards or some shit.

Cool thinking. Never crossed my mind. Something to think about

Honestly, it would be a cool start to a new saga. Good thinking

Db kakumei

villainous black form is crazy 😂😂

Goku has his Super Saiyan 4. Vegeta has his Super Saiyan 4. Broly has his Monstrous Legendary Form. Gohan has his Wild Super Saiyan 4. Shallot has his Super full Power Saiyan 4 Limit Breaker.

@@robzap18nintendosteampictures Let's not.

@@robzap18nintendosteampictures Come on man you really made the whole team so bad that it would probably lose to the og Universe 7 TOP team

@@robzap18nintendosteampictures and Frieza has his black form

It will happen studio will keep it going like marvel

They're just background characters at this point, so yeah.

Yes.

this actually a very good idea

Imagine jiren goku and hit in the same team lmao

@@bamrus603 overkill, but there are definitely more absurd teams

@@user-qj4px6ob4y ye prob

It obviously wont be the same format as the first ones. The zenos would get bored, so they are likely going to do a huge twist with it. Maybe the Zenos say Goku and Vegeta can't compete or something, and Universe 7 needs to do it without them

He doesn’t have the funding for a new android is the issue. Bulma isn’t gonna pay for one to be made either.

@@CarthusDojoWhat if it was to rebuild Gamma 1? Considering he played such an important role in defeating cell max bulma might be okay with it.

@@CarthusDojo Doesnt he work for Bulma now? That's plenty of funding lol

​@@theinktician I think he's trying to say that bulma wouldn't let him create another Android

@@CarthusDojo Shenron, we wish for Gamma 2 to exist again! 🙌

Like Frieza last time?

Nahhh

Nah it wouldn't happen if someone did that zeno will erase him

It would be such a good arc if it was the daishinkan

@@Efrin445 Yeah bro I really hope we see something like that in the future!

I think they'll team up with the 7th universe. Wouldn't make sense to let them fight again. It would be a repeat. My theory is when A17 made the wish to bring the universes back. Some universes that were erased long before the ToP came back as well. Remember, Beerus said that there were 18 universes and now there were 12. What if Zeno had a good reason to erase those other 6 universes?

Remember they had no teamwork

They'd have to go through a very heavy and intense training to become really useful amongst the other characters to be fair. I agree with you that they could participate (specially after growing up) but the other members are like, two god ki users, the strongest Saiyan, an evolved hybrid, a possibly god namekian and freeza Goten and trunks would have to get something powerful to amount enough. Either they also gain god ki or some sort of evolution like Gohan, or they need to make Gotenks stronger and make it count. Honestly I'd love for Goten and trunks to become the face of the series as they could have different stories untill they become as strong as their fathers

they will be eleven and twelve the same age gohan was when he defeated cell.

@@xxOnigiri99 With their insane potential, they could just train for a week in time chamber and catch up with average SSB Goku/Vegeta level.

​@@argelysrodriguez2163 Goten and Trunks are 16 and 17 now.

​@xxOnigiri99 I've always said Dragonball should do mini arcs following the less powerful cast doing badass shit at they're powerlevel

Android 35

„The coolest moment in all of Anime“ Jesus

I think Frieza would decline since he has different goals now and Writers choice probably

Its be cool to see them wipe all the other teams easily, just for the other universe to hop in afterwards

Is Kid Buu is from universe 7right?

But kale kalifa have super Saiyan 3 so it's stacked about evenly

You never know if jiren is training after he lost to goku to become even strong let’s not forget jiren base form was already strong to compete with god of destruction power

I mean if U7 is training so does the others especially jiren wouldn't spend a day without training🗿 So im looking forward for goku vs jiren again

that for me was an issue. Gohan, who face far more dire threats and didn't awaken Super Saiyan but Goten training with Chichi does. it's stupid. almost as stupid as tingly backs

@@jaredfrancis5062 I think that has to do with the power level that goku had when he impregnated chichi, since the saiyans are a warrior race, the stronger you are the stronger your offspring is. That is why Goten was able to get Super Saiyan at a much earlier age

Goten will no where near be close to Gohan especially if his potential is similar to Trunks’

⁠@@jaredfrancis5062 I’m guessing cause they knew more on how to activate super sayain it became easier for the next gen to use though ngl I’d rather have the back tingles at least that had an explanation albeit half assed

@@Deathmare235 goten won't come close due to him not having anger issues like gohan, gohan also had a rougher childhood

Bro imagine Yamcha winning the entire tournament😂😂😂

Bro Yamcha? Really? Jiren would sneeze from accross the entire arena and accidentally knock Yamcha out.

@@zecrayz4840 Jiren would fart and evaporate Yamcha at this point.

I don't really understand why your a Yamcha fan since to me personally, there is no reason to be but... There are VERY obvious reasons he won't be added

@@SoraBSoarin Well he had actually had a character trait in OG Dragon ball before Z just took off any character he had, I also just like his attacks like his Wolf Fang Fist and Spirit ball. And a fan manga named "Dragon ball Elsewhere" made me like his character even more even though it's fan made. And I just like the underdogs in most anime's in general so that could probably be another reason as to why I'm a big fan of his.

Kidd Buu

Swap him out for Buu and I’m set on U7 team

@@Franz082011 Yea for Buu for sure and if lets say Buu does fuck up and sleep again they can always bring people from otherworld or just bring anybody from earth cause of how stacked U7 is right now

Merus is technically a mortal who lives in U7 now as a result of losing his angel status, so that's not an issue.

Merus’ siblings will be in the tournament no way he’s getting away with it

@@decepticonxhunter4850 but he’s still their brother

Not even 200 Jirens could beat that

Would be wild if they had to fight the gods lol fuck it I got money on universe 7

You guys are forgetting the fact that other universes are capable to train What if Jiren or others unlocks godly ki? Or if the other universes who didn’t participate the first time did this time?

​@@GamerAgainstDangerCSS The other Universes that didn't participate didn't because the mortal quality of life was good not their strength

@@ShrekyChad I didn't automatically assume that, I was just saying, other universes are capable of training just like Goku, Frieza, and others. How else would Jiren's base power would be so high? I don't know why everyone thinks that this would be a one-sided battle, at the very least I think Velmond would train Jiren and Toppo more then he has

What do you mean seems like a good idea? It already happened.

​@@Illustria means...im really confus3d they make comic into anime

I guess you haven't seen Black Frieza yet? The Granolah arc in the manga already showed that

​​​@@po72644 personally, you are both mistaken about the OG comment. For me they are just praising the idea. Nothing about them not knowing it happened.

@@mjm3091 nah I’m pretty sure they didn’t know it happened and thought it was fan made

At this point its easier to watch super dragon ball heroes because if im not mistaken this quite literally happens there

A17 wished all the universes back. Zeno had already erased 6 universes before the ToP. So I think those universes came back as well. What if they were erased because they were dangerous? We could get a great team against those 6 universes. Goku, Broly, Top, Jiren, Frieza, Vegeta, Piccolo and 2 others.

Super Dragon Ball Heroes

@@TheTrveMothlord That's not Canon, good sir.

Idk

Potentially also hit never wished for strength

I don't think it works logically like that. It being dragonball, anything is possible, though. Even with eternal youth, Granola can still die or turn brain dead. They would have to wish for eternal youth, immortality, and regeneration for it to work. And I think if they did, it would automatically disqualify him for basically turning into a god?

that's not what the wish did. what it did was spend all his lifeforce in such concentrated ammounts that his power skyrocketed. so if you give him eternal youth that's doing the opposite and by nececity you would need to make him weaker or give him lifeforce from somewhere else. this ofcourse raises the question if the wish dragons can let him take this lifeforce elsewhere but considering the only way they could power him up was to burn his i doubt it.

Granolah traded his life span for strength. This was a one time transaction. Increasing his life span would not increase his strength since he no longer has a way to exchange it. *Gas* however would keep getting stronger with an increased life span since his wish was that he wanted to be the strongest in the universe forever. This was a curse that drained his life span every time Goku or Vegeta surpasses him - trading away even more of his life span to become stronger than them. Granolah didn't get stronger than Gas after the wish but Gas kept increasing power

Bring Granolah with Uranai Baba, GG

Didn't stop Frieza from participating

@@DarthMolgy Yeah but Frieza had nothing to lose only something to gain

am i tripping or could they just time chamber train wit uub and in like a decade (10 days) or sum hed be easily one of the strongest on the team

@@WildWeavile Frieza had everything to lose, which is why Goku was able to call his bluff. If the universe got erased, everybody in Other World and Hell would've been erased as well.

this is just complete and utter destruction

bro is spitting facts Goten and Trunks need actual character growth, forget about fusion for once

They were meant to be the next Gohan. I mean as CHILDREN they gained SS and fused Gotenks went up against Buu. But since then they've become comic relief.