The Off-Meta Build That Won A World Championship

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Gbay99

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4 жыл бұрын

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@DurdleDers
@DurdleDers 4 жыл бұрын
I gotta admit... while it *IS* fun to watch Gbay grind through solo queue and soft rage after getting ganked from river because he pushed up with no wards, this content is so much more his calling. Documentaries take time and dedication to the subject matter, which he has shown time and time again. I never used to really care about pro league, whether past or present (except maybe being curious if any other region would ever take LCS worlds from Korea) but these videos and stories have really been entertaining and educational, and even besides the actual stories and players themselves, I often find myself learning fringe facts and tidbits about the history of the game that are always neat. TLDR:* Keep up the good work Gbay. Documentaries are definitely your thing.
@MTGRCCS
@MTGRCCS 4 жыл бұрын
who cares about a silly rank anyway man all you get is a skin
@JasioniBubbaloni
@JasioniBubbaloni 4 жыл бұрын
Really well said, I’m glad Gbay found his calling, seems like he’s having fun too
@MooShaka89
@MooShaka89 4 жыл бұрын
He just needs to learn Irelia
@BubblesRevenge
@BubblesRevenge 4 жыл бұрын
Gbay might have found his niche as the historian of competitive League
@sorenkair
@sorenkair 4 жыл бұрын
no offense to him, but i might turn on notifications again!
@dinksmallwood5561
@dinksmallwood5561 4 жыл бұрын
Swede here. The way you pronounced "Jönköping" was better than any other english speaker I've heard. You even nailed the "k" which is pronounced "sh" in this name. This level of attention to details is one of the many things that makes your documentaries really stand out. Keep up the good work mate!
@vulekv93
@vulekv93 3 жыл бұрын
I was sure he fucked up pronunciation just by default.
@dexii754
@dexii754 3 жыл бұрын
Haha i tought he said a chineas town first, then I realised he said jönköping. That "Ping" got me
@settispaghetti2273
@settispaghetti2273 Жыл бұрын
To be clear, its still butchered, but i have to agree, very well done by gbay. Truly a detail oriented documentary maker.
@ponyfish157
@ponyfish157 4 жыл бұрын
I remember riot fixing his headbutt combo so it is easier to cast. Hearing somebody say today that alistars combo was a way of skill expression may sound weird but i remember it being messed up fairly frequently even by good players
@ballboys607
@ballboys607 4 жыл бұрын
The main issue with it before was that you needed below 20 ping to consistently pull it off. It was pretty much impossible to pull it off 100% unless you lived next to the servers (or lived in Korea), or in tournament play.
@adubs.
@adubs. 4 жыл бұрын
@@ballboys607 thats not true. I pulled it off consistently with 60 ping or more. It was about timing which took practice.
@richec4486
@richec4486 4 жыл бұрын
iirc now there is a small buffer time period when the W hasn't yet finished where pressing Q will complete the combo once W ends. Previously there wasn't so the timing had to be really good for it to work.
@CrashBandicootFan100
@CrashBandicootFan100 4 жыл бұрын
I remember needing to W while out of range, waiting for Ali to walk up untill he charges at full range. That was the easiest way to do the combo for me. What was that, like season 3, 4?... Not sure. I started playing mid S3, Wonder when the change that made it easier was out.
@nimahanna1709
@nimahanna1709 4 жыл бұрын
I remember feeling like an idiot for missing it after it was fixes
@ChinoWantan
@ChinoWantan 4 жыл бұрын
And after all of this we didn't get an Alistar Fnatic skin.....
@jerahmeelcruz5341
@jerahmeelcruz5341 3 жыл бұрын
He picked gragas
@guardener
@guardener 3 жыл бұрын
@@jerahmeelcruz5341 No, Riot picked the most played champions, according to lol.gamepedia: Riot later created and released Fnatic-themed skins, a custom for World Championship winners, and chose each player's most-played champions during the Season 1 Worlds: Jarvan IV (Cyanide), Karthus (xPeke), Gragas (Shushei), Corki (LamiaZealot) and Janna (Mellisan).
@CarlosSilva-je5sp
@CarlosSilva-je5sp 3 жыл бұрын
@@guardener true they start asking players in 2013
@hermie9737
@hermie9737 2 ай бұрын
Dude literally cosplayed Gragas. Btw, S2, they took the Worlds last winning line up as skins.
@murderousmuffin5561
@murderousmuffin5561 4 жыл бұрын
On G2's channel, their players once played a game in which they had to name as many season 1 players as they could. Perkz, right off the bat, said "Shushei". I think it's great that contemporary stars of the game still remember who paved the way for them, and it shows how aware Perkz is of his game's story.
@toks463
@toks463 4 жыл бұрын
i think it was caps but yeah
@cpt.flamer7184
@cpt.flamer7184 2 жыл бұрын
There was a video on G2 channel where Rekkles and Micky were answearing some questions and talking and Micky said that he was a big fan of fnatic because of Shushei and he even used to play midlane with ap Ali and ap Gragas, because of that first team he had try out for was fnatic. So yeah, Shushei had pretty big influence on the scene ;p
@Aliciel
@Aliciel 4 жыл бұрын
When you suddenly remember Doublelift is a Blitzcrank one trick in Epik Gamer
@bar-elch7809
@bar-elch7809 4 жыл бұрын
Dude i thought the same thing
@TwelveTables
@TwelveTables 4 жыл бұрын
When you remember that cause you were his substitute player for Epik... Countless hours chatting/arguing with Elementz about theory crafting and developing gold efficiency charts for league. Trying out everything and anything because it was interesting to say what if...
@Alice429800
@Alice429800 4 жыл бұрын
And when Dyrus was an ADC main lol
@kekwkekw4987
@kekwkekw4987 4 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jNilf7ZjxsuoeWg.html HONESTLY HAD NO IDEA HE WOULD DO THIS
@niklas9848
@niklas9848 3 жыл бұрын
@@Alice429800 or Yellowstar played adc in tournaments :D
@rc-by5mq
@rc-by5mq 4 жыл бұрын
Wonder when TheScore Esports will rip this off
@CasaiAgicap
@CasaiAgicap 4 жыл бұрын
Give it a week
@Justpim19
@Justpim19 4 жыл бұрын
@@CasaiAgicap 2 days take it or leave it
@NAJMYNex
@NAJMYNex 4 жыл бұрын
@@Justpim19 why wait at all I'll send them the link they can have it out tonight
@CasaiAgicap
@CasaiAgicap 4 жыл бұрын
@@Justpim19 i was being generous, but you're probably not wrong
@steatopigeon
@steatopigeon 4 жыл бұрын
Nahhh, they can't; faker's zed outplay wasn't shown during the conclusion when they talked about crazy mechanics; and TheScore is contractually obliged to include that clip.
@ugotnot4173
@ugotnot4173 4 жыл бұрын
The wave of nostalgia that forms from seeing all these old highlights and players is really something special. God I wish I could go back to the glory days of league...
@bigboiganiga8356
@bigboiganiga8356 4 жыл бұрын
Remembering the playing the old map again, brought tears to my eyes. In a bad way.
@woozywitanuzi6208
@woozywitanuzi6208 4 жыл бұрын
He should've played the Reginald - Wildturtle video 😂😂
@wilkinlow
@wilkinlow 4 жыл бұрын
All the champs are freaking broken tho
@jayjax229
@jayjax229 4 жыл бұрын
@@wilkinlowWhen everyone is broken, nobody is broken. It was better then when that exists to now when people are only strong right before a new skin is released.
@daquandollar3692
@daquandollar3692 4 жыл бұрын
You might say the same thing a couple of season from now, enjoy what you have while it last...
@Clawzz299
@Clawzz299 4 жыл бұрын
10:33 Proof that Gragas had way too high ratio on his e
@shadownight9956
@shadownight9956 4 жыл бұрын
Holy you forgot about his R XDDDD fountain oneshots
@6700adam
@6700adam 3 жыл бұрын
best champ in the game, riot killed him
@kkomla
@kkomla 3 жыл бұрын
I think that was talking about shushei bodyslam on stage on his mate that was their adc lol
@hentaimage95
@hentaimage95 3 жыл бұрын
@@6700adam maybe you didn't play season 2 to 4 because it was Gragas every game, seeing it die was a pleasure. Thanks to that I understood that Riot didn't know how to balance a game or didn't care and switched to DotA.
@ereder1476
@ereder1476 4 жыл бұрын
10:35 dude wtf ahahahahah
@Gandorhar
@Gandorhar 4 жыл бұрын
Lmfao I didnt even see that haha
@wangyuanxi
@wangyuanxi 4 жыл бұрын
dude got headbutt pulverized
@ArchPolandPL
@ArchPolandPL 4 жыл бұрын
Gragas cosplay
@Mirro18
@Mirro18 4 жыл бұрын
I saw that live. It was amazing cause they laughed so hard afterwards that dude hardly got up cause belly started hurting (belly slam contributed I feel ;P)
@freakymoejoe2
@freakymoejoe2 4 жыл бұрын
There's a reason Shushei was known as the real world Gragas (despite this video being about his performance on AP Ali). You can see it very briefly at 19:27 ; that's Shushei doing an Impromptu gragas cosplay to celebrate their big win, with his shirt undone to expose his belly, and a watercooler as his barrel
@Hadhoudtn
@Hadhoudtn 4 жыл бұрын
8 years later DOINB won worlds using a tank (played as a support) with AP items ! (Nautilus AP)....History repeats itself :D
@Valigarmanda
@Valigarmanda 4 жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t call DoinB’s Naut a “full AP damage-dealing champion”
@6700adam
@6700adam 3 жыл бұрын
you are bronze i don't want to be rude xD
@hansimgluck6789
@hansimgluck6789 3 жыл бұрын
also he didnt carry FPX as shown by final MVP award which was given to Tian and could have gone to crisp but not to doinb
@minatoyoutube
@minatoyoutube 3 жыл бұрын
LOL the hate in one comment XD G2's or EU's fans crying
@KeenestObserver
@KeenestObserver 3 жыл бұрын
@@hansimgluck6789 Woulden't agree. Yes Tian was insane but Doinb was literally the shot caller that initiated almost everything,
@andrescorma
@andrescorma 4 жыл бұрын
Its crazy that I havent touched league in like 5 or 6 years, this is the only league channel Im still subbed to and I still enjoy it so much.
@Xillium
@Xillium 4 жыл бұрын
Shushei was such a crazy personality as well, and I can remember his time on DB pretty well. Playing crazy strats like Elise mid or bot, and he was pretty impressive with Lux mid. Sad he faded away so early.
@gustav8253
@gustav8253 4 жыл бұрын
How do you have this much time to make these? They are always really good quality! :)
@PixelMixels
@PixelMixels 4 жыл бұрын
It's his 9 to 5 and he loves doing it
@towlie4029
@towlie4029 4 жыл бұрын
to be fair, the distance between uploads shows he takes his time to create these good videos.
@greenjacket2
@greenjacket2 4 жыл бұрын
A little thing called quarantine maybe
@justineluizpedrina2503
@justineluizpedrina2503 4 жыл бұрын
@@greenjacket2 even not in quarantine he make quality videos. His 3M views doc for M5 was also good and that was a year ago
@Snarflez
@Snarflez 4 жыл бұрын
He’s got plenty of experience and he likes it. When something is a passion, it doesn’t feel like work and you really strive to make it done well.
@ErikTheViking92
@ErikTheViking92 4 жыл бұрын
Ah the good old days... I still remember the moment Shushei played his first public pro game as Alistar mid. Everyone was like: "Wait...what?! This pick is op" Oh and Shushei was also the OG best Anivia player in the world back in season 1. You know, before Froggen and the Koreans arrived.
@WatchSchoolDays
@WatchSchoolDays 4 жыл бұрын
Ah good old CLG eu times.
@vulekv93
@vulekv93 3 жыл бұрын
Froggen has reputation of Anivia God, but Toyz from TPA owned him in Anivia/Karthus matchup, both when Froggen was on Anivia and Toys on Karthus and vice versa.
@codino97
@codino97 Жыл бұрын
@@vulekv93 toyz is still the best orianna ive seen
@narutobutthole
@narutobutthole 4 жыл бұрын
15:29 wow the Dyrus adc and Doublelift support duo. That is something I wish I could have been there to experience.
@TheDeathLowthus
@TheDeathLowthus 4 жыл бұрын
Doublelift also goes AD Blitz with Trinity Force, it was surely enjoyable to watch back then
@kompletist
@kompletist 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah they like played double brusier in the bot lane. Think they tried playing that against EU in early competitions and got absolutely smashed as EU was already starting to invent the 1/1/2 meta with adc and support. The whole Taric/Blitz botlane thing got run over!
@andreim1998
@andreim1998 4 жыл бұрын
That's the definition of an "O.P. player" literally created new metas that Riot had to nerf the champs, i mean he won the game back then
@ralfmeier541
@ralfmeier541 3 жыл бұрын
he was my hero for years after i started lol in s1 i tryharded 3 seasons to be dia 1 and i finaly faced this guy in soloq SHUSHEI it was on stream and he honored my plays cause we won of me it was on of my best days in my life not gonna lie
@saschapanzer
@saschapanzer 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like it's also important to note that it's not just his exotic picks that won them the world championship, it's also Shushei's crazy roaming. The mapawareness and ability to predict the enemy movement he has shown back then was absolutely exceptional. The exotic picks with lots of burst and mobility just highlighted that.
@Xhandel
@Xhandel 3 жыл бұрын
The sad thing is that, when something like this happens in actual league, riot brands it as "a mistake" and changes it asap to mantain the meta they want at that point.
@vernonaw00
@vernonaw00 4 жыл бұрын
when you see Doublelift is on Lee Sin and the only player still playing today you know the game is old
@hansklaus8657
@hansklaus8657 4 жыл бұрын
dyrus played for a long time to and so do others just not at this lvl :D
@Bogoos21
@Bogoos21 4 жыл бұрын
Soaz still there...
@woozywitanuzi6208
@woozywitanuzi6208 4 жыл бұрын
Pobelter, Wildturtle
@kuzeykara6536
@kuzeykara6536 4 жыл бұрын
or on Blitzcrank
@albertsuchan9366
@albertsuchan9366 4 жыл бұрын
Yellowstar is in the video, and also still playing today
@sunstripe
@sunstripe 4 жыл бұрын
It's important to note when valuing an ap ratio, you can't simply look at the ratio itself and say it's "good" or "bad"; that's a pretty vacuous statement. You always need to take the base damage into account. This doesn't invalidate the point of this video by any means btw, just something to consider. A good rule of thumb to follow when determining if a ratio is "good"; take the base damage of the ability at its max rank, and divide it by its ratio. This will give you the amount of ap required to double the base damage of the spell. If the sum is around 300 or lower, thats a great ratio (or, inversely, a bad base damage). If the sum is around 400 its a decent ratio (or decent base), and if its about 500 or more, its a bad ratio (or a good base). This doesn't help when comparing champions to one another, this is for determining if pen is better than raw ap, since penetration is percentage damage increase compared to ap being flat damage increase. That's why comparing alistar's ratios alone to modern mages doesnt make as much sense; you should be including the base damage in that assumption (as well as other things like inflation/deflation of gold in league and changes to ap item costs over leagues history.)
@jogadorjnc
@jogadorjnc 4 жыл бұрын
Also worth noting is he didn't compare them to regular mage abilities. Most regular mage abilities have scalings above 60% and around 60 to 300 base damage.
@tommasogiancaterino8188
@tommasogiancaterino8188 4 жыл бұрын
Yo great comment for real. I never thought of ratios that deeply but you are absolutely right. At the same time, while what you’re saying is very true, I think gbay is just trying to convey a point on a more metaphorical level, in the sense: “oh by the way here’s the ratios”. He doesn’t care for the numbers per say, but just the tone and “vibe” of the story he is telling (IMO)
@snoo1296
@snoo1296 4 жыл бұрын
What he's trying to say is that back then, champs that weren't designed to build AP often had absurd ap ratios, which made it possible for things like AP Ali, Trist, Sion, etc. Also, what you're saying really isn't relevant because you have a limited amount of AP you can buy, so ratios are indeed much more important than base damages.
@sunstripe
@sunstripe 4 жыл бұрын
@@tommasogiancaterino8188 yeah i'm aware, i addressed that in the comment. The video is in no way invalidated by this, it was more for the comment readers than for gbay
@sunstripe
@sunstripe 4 жыл бұрын
@@snoo1296 im aware of that, ive played since s1. Also, you're only half right, which is why you think what im saying is "irrelevant". There's also a limited amount of penetration that you can buy. A champion's ideal build path is determined by their relationship between their ratios and their base damages. Thats why it's acceptable for some champions to rush big ap items like dcap and spellbinder and unacceptable for others, who need to prioritize percentage damage increase in the form of oblivion orb, haunting guise, and void staff. It's pretty hard to argue with math, my friend. It's just numbers.
@harlyroe1015
@harlyroe1015 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing gbay !!! you deserve so much recognition for the quality of your documentrys !!
@recon13ful
@recon13ful 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Gbay. I'm an old head when it comes to league, watching your documentaries on the season 1, 2, and 3 days truly warms my heart.
@hmmmooops
@hmmmooops 4 жыл бұрын
"The game has moved on from such strategies" Literally every Malphite: I reject your reality.
@part-timedebiru9681
@part-timedebiru9681 3 жыл бұрын
S11 rengar: _funny_
@Delaj
@Delaj 4 жыл бұрын
Like everything in life, it was fun while it lasted.
@berriblu3926
@berriblu3926 4 жыл бұрын
Man, it's so sad. I always cry with your documentaries because of how heartfelt and how someone so good just disappears. I hope your channel grows. It's so inspiring how you can make someone feel so attached to someone they've never heard of for the entirety of their lives through a twenty minute video
@silasehlers6354
@silasehlers6354 4 жыл бұрын
You've achieved a really professional story flow with the docs. Also while making a complete plot. Good stuff.
@kutsumiru
@kutsumiru 3 жыл бұрын
I'm really glad I watched this video The production quality is fantastic, and I ended up really liking Shushei's story It's bittersweet that he's been kind of forgotten to time, I hope it's some form of consolation that you can spread his story to thousands now
@matthewjensen5093
@matthewjensen5093 4 жыл бұрын
I miss the old seasons when you could play characters in different unique ways... Might as well have the items autobuy now besides 1-2 flex item picks :(
@user-tg3jl1mt4e
@user-tg3jl1mt4e 4 жыл бұрын
Play what you want man, my friend and i play weird botlanes in ranked together all the time. Things like wukong-taric, braum-taric, or jarvin-pantheon.
@matthewjensen5093
@matthewjensen5093 4 жыл бұрын
@@user-tg3jl1mt4e playing champions in different lanes or in weird combos is different then building a champion to have a unique play style then how others play them. Now there is strict ways as the correct way to play someone. Champions are meant to be played as not with. I dont have a playstyle with Evelyn. Evelyn has a playstyle. They usually will nerf to ground or rework because it easier to balance If they go off their intended role too far. There are still some exceptions, I am successful with AP shaco mid in lower elo for example, but when I used to play him top they nerfed his boxes with a mini rework. It could be nostalgia, but I think I remember champions having viable, varied build paths and playstyles
@dzello
@dzello 4 жыл бұрын
@@matthewjensen5093 People get better over time. The reason you can't do all of that anymore is because the more time people spend, the more refined they are and the more a meta establishes itself as dominant. Thus, all other picks become inferior. The reason you could do tons of shit in old seasons is because people were just worse.
@u9477
@u9477 4 жыл бұрын
@@matthewjensen5093 theres only one or two ways to build a champion is because those builds are what is considered to be the most efficient.
@lirimiri7034
@lirimiri7034 4 жыл бұрын
@@matthewjensen5093 Its not that those unique playstyles dont get created/exist anymore, but once a champ has a unique strong playstyle people will copy it and play it themselves. If some playstyle can compete with the Meta, it just becomes the Meta. I dont mind tho. Being unique isnt worth anything. One should appreciate the playstyles for what they are, not for how "unique" they seem.
@whynotsplash
@whynotsplash 4 жыл бұрын
These docs give me chills. The environment you create is so great. Congratulations man! Loved it
@MamaTaKana
@MamaTaKana 4 жыл бұрын
Gbay, these are really, really good. Not many people can make this kind of content. I swear you have a talent for making documentaries.
@keyman3131
@keyman3131 4 жыл бұрын
"Mages today have 30%, 40%, or MAYBE 60% ap scaling ratio" *laughs in Neeko ult*
@titelitury9396
@titelitury9396 4 жыл бұрын
ekko 150% on his ult ... annie 85% and 80% on q and w ....
@gaborkeszler8343
@gaborkeszler8343 4 жыл бұрын
Gotta admit shywana
@Maronicam
@Maronicam 4 жыл бұрын
We don't count ults It's "on their burst abilities". Also: Annie is that old champion, like Alistar who never got nerfed, because she doesn't offer a thing but her dmg and stun. No tankiness, healing, dashes.
@justinjakeashton
@justinjakeashton 4 жыл бұрын
"It's okay if she wants to smash Nidalee. Everyone wants to smash Nidalee. But 130% AP Ratio on ult? This is not okay. Riot, what the fuck?" - Professor Tahm Kench
@shadownight9956
@shadownight9956 4 жыл бұрын
Maronicam and dmg reduction and stupid tibbers which sometimes trolls you
@masterhidsert1043
@masterhidsert1043 4 жыл бұрын
Phenomenal documentary, thanks for making it!! I love to learn about League's past :)
@Vitahais
@Vitahais 4 жыл бұрын
Man, gbay popping out with the quality content is amazing to watch, and even better to see him enjoy doing this documentarys. We know the effort he puts into this vids, gotta say I for one appreciate it enormously, keep popping gbay! Much love from spain
@mihajlostojanovski9496
@mihajlostojanovski9496 4 жыл бұрын
I really like your shorter docs! Your style of narration and the perfect length of the videos are great! I love it!
@gabrielarteaga5255
@gabrielarteaga5255 4 жыл бұрын
"Creative builds like this are gone" DoinB: I'm a joke to you?
@jacekwaasiewicz716
@jacekwaasiewicz716 4 жыл бұрын
off meta builds got almost killed thats why lol is so boring now
@cooldude321x
@cooldude321x 4 жыл бұрын
Jacek Wałasiewicz again to gabriel’s point an off meta build literally won the 2019 worlds playiffs.
@mossix2
@mossix2 4 жыл бұрын
Putting a tank with high base damage on mid lane isnt really reinventing the wheel
@ohlala9546
@ohlala9546 4 жыл бұрын
Viable hybrid scalings nearly got eliminated completely. Mixed damage output on a single char too. The game was made much more predictable (for pro play mainly) and creativity was hurt in the process. There are even 18 chars without even a single AP scaling. A creative build isn't just about the role. The item build matters too, and that is what has been crippled in the process to fit this game into e-sports
@TraxisOnTheLines
@TraxisOnTheLines 4 жыл бұрын
@@ohlala9546 I agree and it even makes other stuff weird - like Lee Sin. Only his w scales with AP, on a champ that will never build AP, and the items in league now don't facilitate any kind of hybrid options. The old Triforce with AP might make sense on some characters because it really would boost every stat. Now it feels like they throw on AP ratios for fun without any chance of them being used. Why does the AA buff on Qiyanas W have an AP scaling when nothing else in her kit does? Is it some kind of meme that hextech gunblade could be useful on more than 3 characters?
@Bigfish92
@Bigfish92 4 жыл бұрын
This was a great trip down memory lane seeing old names and such. Although me and my friends would play AP Alistar and Gragas before seeing it at S1 worlds but we weren't very good with it and only saw it as a fun cheesy build with little to no viability, boy were we wrong.
@andret76
@andret76 4 жыл бұрын
Have really been enjoying these league documentary style vids you’ve been making gbay. I miss you raging and flaming yourself, but I do think you’ve been doing an amazing job on these vids. Please keep them coming!
@Jamarity
@Jamarity 4 жыл бұрын
You are really good at making league seem nostalgic/emotional..I haven't played in probably 2 3 years..and even then regularly more like 4 or 5. But it will always have a special place in my heart
@Dadarkgamer
@Dadarkgamer 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Gbay i've been watching you for about ~6 years now. I stopped watching when you had a content creator identity crisis and started doing daily uploads because i knew that just wasn't the type of videos you wanted to make or i wanted to watch. I'm just really glad to see you making the videos much more akin to the ones i subscribed for those years ago even if you are still releasing your 'road to x elo' videos.
@shacolin6546
@shacolin6546 4 жыл бұрын
20:49 Totally disagree. Freedom of creativity > overloaded kits that gives the illusion of skill expression, but in reality do so much stuff that takes away decision making attached to risks. We need more Singed, more inting Sion, more banner of command/zz'rot portal Heimerdinger, more AD Malzahar and less of Aphelios, Akali or Yasuo.
@sorinnoctis652
@sorinnoctis652 4 жыл бұрын
Wish we had more macro playstyles.
@MrAgorar
@MrAgorar 4 жыл бұрын
I honestly want my AP scaling on my Caitlyn traps. Remove this dumb headshot mechanic but leave the amount of traps I get the same and let me play AP cait mid. Now I have to do so with jhin. And it's not very fun after the 51rst game where you have a good kda but everyone is still flaming you.
@SirBangTidy
@SirBangTidy 4 жыл бұрын
Disagree, too many people will just copy abuse those creative builds and if they're op they'll eventually get nerfed, it's not sustainable because league isn't a small game anymore.
@andersmadsen2145
@andersmadsen2145 4 жыл бұрын
Yep, I feel the same, this is probably why I don't like league as much as I used to, I like the fun attached to weird builds.
@imbricitor
@imbricitor 4 жыл бұрын
YES
@e2Usan
@e2Usan 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing video Gbay. I am very glad that you havent lost your spirit of making videos for LoL. Great script, great commentary, great editing. Overall a very very nice video! I enjoyed every second of it. Good job!
@shin1300
@shin1300 3 жыл бұрын
Dear Gbay I started League right about the same time you started making videos and by coincidence I watched them from the art of league of legends to lol vs dota and a game of millimetres. From then I subscribed to you and have been a passing fan from time to time and when you disappeared from youtube that made me sad along with stonewall88 disappeared from the scene. I'm really glad you found the content you like making and we can see the quality and passion from these documentary videos. But most importantly glad your back buddy.
@Kylesico912x
@Kylesico912x 3 жыл бұрын
This makes me remember a lot of the weird builds I used to run. Anyone remember AP Assassin Tristana in the mid lane? Where you can just throw your E on someone and take 1/3 of their health away. Good times.
@Halvtooth
@Halvtooth 3 жыл бұрын
I used to do ad zilean, bcoz he had good range on his aa, and I could use move speed to keep out of distant.
@ikeacloset77
@ikeacloset77 4 жыл бұрын
Your channel really is the definition of Quality over Quantity
@Cach54540
@Cach54540 2 ай бұрын
I started League when the beta opened in Europe. A year later, my best friend started playing mid. He was good, went up the ladder. And one day, I was sitting next to my friend playing midlane against Shushei on Gragas. It was before Twitch, on own3d tv and we saw the stream. It's been 12 years now and we still duo. This video brought me great memories. Thank you man!
@mitralhao
@mitralhao 4 жыл бұрын
Loving these documentaries, keep it up
@hazebro3786
@hazebro3786 4 жыл бұрын
old swain was my best friend .. miss him
@darkestkhan
@darkestkhan 4 жыл бұрын
I miss old taric top... That was fun.
@Hipsterjes
@Hipsterjes 4 жыл бұрын
I think we all have champions we miss. Reworks have claimed too many fun builds. But those memories will never be forgotten :)
@panchorosselli
@panchorosselli 4 жыл бұрын
0:54 Am I the only one amazed by Westrice? I can't believe that dude went from old school, to play on good teams on early seasons, to nothing (including the infamous ember team with all the salary and stuff) to now being in the coaching staff of what some analyst say, NA memes aside, one of the best teams in the world: C9. I was actually amazed when I started seeing him around this year, how long has he been in coaching?
@AllGodsDue
@AllGodsDue 4 жыл бұрын
He has been part of c9's coaching staff for years now. One of liquid's coaches was also a old school player with a very brief and bad career.
@MissedExistance
@MissedExistance 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the content lately Gbay. I started playing in 2011 and watching your vids reminds me of my favorite times in the game.
@spacelug
@spacelug 4 жыл бұрын
I'm loving these new videos. You are doing an awesome job.
@Nevilleg930
@Nevilleg930 4 жыл бұрын
"combos way more interesting than a simple headbutt pulverize..." shows Qiyana button mash a player from existence from fog of war
@SinOfDisaster
@SinOfDisaster 4 жыл бұрын
remember season 1 Sion. Best champion ever 100% ap Ratio Q stun fade away OHKO.
@Anonymous-td9fl
@Anonymous-td9fl 3 жыл бұрын
@@SinOfDisaster That had 45 bonus ad damage and 100% attack speed 100% lifesteal ult. Damn i remember how much of an abomination that character was. Even if he built full ap, he still wont lose a 1v1 auto attack fest.
@_Dingu
@_Dingu 3 жыл бұрын
@@SinOfDisaster AP Nunu was also really awful to play against. Back then champs had a lot less mobility, so you blow flash and suddenly you get a blood boiled Nunu running at you with a e + r combo to 100-0 you.
@ducks7015
@ducks7015 3 жыл бұрын
"just an odd character built in a wonky way" thats why im here tho
@mehve
@mehve 4 жыл бұрын
@gbay99 taking the time to make these documentaries is the quality content we'll keep coming back for.
@samkelly8411
@samkelly8411 3 жыл бұрын
Well made video. Your research and editing. Much appreciated.
@TheRedKnightOfPain
@TheRedKnightOfPain 4 жыл бұрын
I miss off meta brews... they're fun and goofy and so fun when you could pull them off, mine was JG Ahri, alas the jg was made so tough, it couldn't be done... on the brewer's note I'm curious what Shushei is up too, like if he found something to brew ideas around.
@AmaranthRBY
@AmaranthRBY 4 жыл бұрын
Shushei and the entire DragonBorns team were one of the very first to catch my eye in spring S3 when I started watching competitive. I'm sad I missed his heyday but I loved catching what little of his career I did catch; he was one of the most entertaining players I've ever watched, even when the midlane meta was quite boring at the time he managed to keep it spicy quite often. HosaN's insane Dravenous tendencies and Shushei being Shushei will never be forgotten. (And for a fun bit of trivia, YamatoCannon also played toplane for them for a bit lol) Edit: And the chest bump of course, what a classic Edit again: Here, have a highlight video from one of the DragonBorns games I remember best. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a5d1mpaoqc2VnI0.html
@Temeraire99
@Temeraire99 4 жыл бұрын
Dude, soraka + nidalee vs evil geniuses was the game tho
@vascocarvalho975
@vascocarvalho975 4 жыл бұрын
Great video as always. Congratz Gbay
@marshallwaitforit3704
@marshallwaitforit3704 4 жыл бұрын
I really like these types of videos. Keep it up!
@wevegottrouble5891
@wevegottrouble5891 4 жыл бұрын
"He was born too early" Honestly? I think the fault isn't on him - the fault is on Riot Games. We've always had and still have innovative players who create new metas. Hell, how do most people even think metas come to exist? It's the innovative people who test, practice, understand and put their plans to good use, and when that plan is really good it becomes the meta. The meta is nothing but a bunch of copy cats trying to replicate what works best, and Riot Games in recent years has avidly tried to PUNISH players for being experimental with their builds; like that one time the Nunu Support player used Smite and was harassed as well as punished for it by Riot Games. Over the last years, this creativity has completely died off. Items like Banner of Command, Ohmwrecker, Zz'Rot Portal, etc. were completely tarnished and later on even removed, all for the sake of removing diversity and ironing out the idea that everyone should build the same thing on the same lane with the same characters. Innovation isn't encouraged by Riot Games, you can tell by the hundreds of changes they've made to characters that HAD the opportunity to create a new playstyle. Karma used to be able to shield minions, Soraka used to be able to heal Minions, Alistar pushed entire waves with Banner of Command and a fully upgraded E, etc. What do we have these days? Nothing. Everyone scales flat on their intended AP or AD ratio and they only poke fun at off-meta players by giving them weird troll scalings on some of their abilities. Like... wow, Ashe's ult has AP scaling? That's a totally legit reason to just build AP Ashe, definitely. Oh, Akali has pure AD scaling on her moves? Totally gonna pick up lethality Akali now, lol. I wish Riot Games stopped being so stuck up about their beloved meta and accepted that this game's meta is created by the players, not backwards. They rework characters that hurt nobody instead of releasing new characters with the new moveset they intended for the reworked character. They REMOVE items before they consider releasing items that can counter them, turning the game state into a boring, unfunny Arms Race between both ADCs to see who builds IE first. And worst of all, which pisses me off the most: They keep changing the jungle into things nobody in their right mind has ever asked for, like randomly spawning seeds that can enable downright unfair escapes or engages all while upscaling the difficulty of jungling to make sure that off-meta junglers can't exist. So... yeah. The fault isn't on Shushei if you ask me. The fault is on Riot Games for dicking on innovative people like him with unnecessary balance patches. EDIT: I'm actually glad people positively engage into- and against this comment without punches under the waistline. It's good to see that people are willing to discuss the state of the game rather than downright being rude about it.
@nisc92
@nisc92 4 жыл бұрын
Remember the Singed Support player, that I think actually got banned?
@BigGiantMonke
@BigGiantMonke 4 жыл бұрын
I need an option to like a comment twice
@TSPhoenix2
@TSPhoenix2 4 жыл бұрын
I think some changes like removing Banner & healing/shielding minions, etc needed to happen, and that sometimes changing stuff to change the meta is good. But overall I think you're right in saying that Riot changes a lot of things specifically to stop variance, Riot regularly patches things out just because it isn't what they intended, rather than it being problematic for game health. Over the years you can tell that if Riot makes a new champion they don't even bother testing the champion with a variety of builds or in other roles. There was a long stretch where every single champion released would be OP in a role other than the one they were intended for, or be busted building AP when they were supposed to be a tank/support. Their QA was just embarrassing and in the end they just stopped giving AD champions AP ratios and other things that could lead to balance issues. But it isn't just Riot at fault here, the majority of League players like things this way, they don't want to think about item builds, that's not why they play the game. Pro game casters often played into this in how they responded to itemisation choices by using a loss to say "see its bad" but in the event of a win "that wasn't why they won", unless it became the new norm then they just sweep their comment under the rug. And the league community absolutely embraced this mentality and was actively hostile to any kind of build experimentation in games. People might think of the expression "Korean build" as proof that innovation is still valued, but the phrase had a hidden meaning: that experimentation should be left to the Koreans and that people better not be trying anything new in their games.
@Palontras
@Palontras 4 жыл бұрын
@@DisastrousIntentionally If you think supporter players can only support on bot, you should seriously stop playing.
@wevegottrouble5891
@wevegottrouble5891 4 жыл бұрын
@@DisastrousIntentionally I can't speak positively for AP Ashe because the last time I saw one we had the worst, most unfunny ARAM game in a month. The enemy Ashe bought AP items and their Zac went completely mental on everyone, starting to run it down mid claiming that Ashe is afk. It's not their fault for going AP Ashe, but holy crap the moment someone tries to be innovative with the wrong guy on the team, they set themselves up to get harassed.
@milesdavissmurfaccount5814
@milesdavissmurfaccount5814 4 жыл бұрын
nice to see that pro players played udyr back in the day :D
@matkaz2534
@matkaz2534 4 жыл бұрын
Love that video Gbay. I started to watch u during road to... series- and i loved it. Because of u i started to pay attention to my stats, and I improved, I even started to play Irelia alot, and master her- but then they reworked her... I was wondering if, or when You will make vidoe on Shushei- I never followed esport stage expect that tournament, and actually, the best player in the world, to be my countryman it was hudge, whole group of my friends watching matches together in dormitory, watching Shushei play his strange strategies, and win- was awesome. Thank You for bringing that back to me. I love Your documentaries, they might not be most popular league stuff on youtube, but the kind of atmosphere, and some live lessons You try to find in them, are awesome. Love that, keep Your work up buddy :)
@Spencer4686
@Spencer4686 4 жыл бұрын
Recently started playing league again after a 8 year break it's nice to see these moments are not forgotten, the champions may have been a bit more "basic" let's say back then. But the pros still pulled off crazy combos and tricks with millisecond response times. It's a shame a lot of them are now forgotten probably working 9-5 like the rest of us but if it wasn't for them current pros wouldn't be sitting pretty with their multi million deals Great work GBay. Keep it up!!
@sysfiend
@sysfiend 4 жыл бұрын
Nautilus mid : Worlds 2019 Soraka / Sona top : first split of season 10 AP mages as adcs : current Pyke top, mid and jgl : split 1 of season 9 (?) Karma tank top : season 9 Yeah, no offmeta picks/builds since season 1
@mhakeyhaughton
@mhakeyhaughton 4 жыл бұрын
13:14 Ooyy - Come 2gether
@SAGEM1A4Me
@SAGEM1A4Me 4 жыл бұрын
Hey thanks man. Seriously appreciate.
@ivailoivanov01
@ivailoivanov01 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing as always!!! keep growing 500k subs this year
@bknighty28
@bknighty28 3 жыл бұрын
Man every video you make.. Gives me tears. I miss these days.
@hi-i-am-atan
@hi-i-am-atan 4 жыл бұрын
something i think it's worth commenting on towards that conclusion is how when you take a step back, you realize that many, _many_ of the meta builds and strats that have seen competitively play, including ones that had their time as _meta defining,_ were actually things that could be considered "off-meta" when they were first starting to take root sure, i'm referring to stuff that can be as simple as a champion's build shifting in a mostly lateral fashion, like a marksman going from crit or lethality or vice-versa, something as simple as "this ad champ started building a different type of ad items," but while i think stuff like that is worth keeping in mind, it's hardly the _only_ things i'm referring to. there's also the cases where an item thought to be trash turns out to be wayyyy overtuned, and then we end up in the ardent support meta and all the, uh, "highly mechanical" gameplay that brought, but, again, while that's definitely a case of something that started off-meta, this sort of thing is more frequent than it might feel unless you go out of your way to intentionally think about it like, stick to the ardent meta for a bit. sure, for as much as that previously not-remotely-meta item suddenly _defined_ the meta, it was still a support item being utilized by supports. not exactly the spiciest form of off-meta. but with it came innovation in every other position - the most mild being stuff like cho and jarvan popping back up due to being more effective late than the previously common picks at the time, but there was also the far more wild _jungle ezreal_ that showed up to double up on the champs that could take full advantage of an ardent support. and, of course, there was the advent of the bot carry grabbing relic shield, solely because it made it that much faster and safer to get the support to ardent and that's just one meta. there's loads of well known cases of this sort of thing, like the era of full-tank assassins, the use of funneling strategies, and the on-and-off periods of mages being a common pick as a botlane carry, one of which we're experiencing at this very moment. sure, those end up _being_ the meta, but that is perhaps the real difference between off-meta builds then and off-meta builds now - they get a _lot_ more respect from people nowadays ( at least, aside from the occasional yolo queue superstar that uses every reason they can blame their team that they can find ), and subsequently, an off-meta innovation someone comes up with that looks like it has significant potential - and, really, a lot of things that _don't_ - gets tested out and experimented with by far more players, and in the end, is far more likely to end up _becoming_ meta if that potential is found we're far from the days of ap trists and ap yis, yes, but only because those kinds of overlooked innovations are no longer the underdogs, at least not for long
@Martin-yh7vi
@Martin-yh7vi 4 жыл бұрын
My only problem with jungle Ez and some champions with similar off meta roles is that some players don't check if it still works. Leading them to not build the proper itemization and also tilting everyone else because the build is not op as it once used to be due to nerfs.
@ParkerHazlebeck-wm9ob
@ParkerHazlebeck-wm9ob 4 жыл бұрын
You used many words to not really say much.
@mario6mso
@mario6mso 4 жыл бұрын
I feel like pyke top lane at 2019 msi was something very innovative, as well as the caps vayne mid vs misfits, or talking about misfits the fervor leona against skt
@leeprice5055
@leeprice5055 3 жыл бұрын
Very well put together video, great job. I remember all this! I got into league at the end of S1 through my friends, good times!
@fubunm
@fubunm 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video, it brings back good memories of old league when it was about fun and finding cool stuff to mess with. Thanks also for giving recognition to a pioneer that is not known but deserves to.
@flags4595
@flags4595 4 жыл бұрын
Do you have a video about season2's roaming Alistar? I remember my mind being shattered at a flash over the wraiths wall gank in mid in combo with Lee, I think it was by m5.
@zachhanson3794
@zachhanson3794 4 жыл бұрын
I actually, at the start of this video, got flashbacks to playing roaming ali/eve in season 2 ranked. What a fun time to play league
@darthroflex
@darthroflex 4 жыл бұрын
3:53 *laughs in Ekko*
@ocarinalover1214
@ocarinalover1214 4 жыл бұрын
Gbay please make more of this. I believe this content will be less taxing than forcing yourself to climb solo queue. I also enjoy your offmeta/legacy pick videos as well.
@MooShaka89
@MooShaka89 4 жыл бұрын
Man your videos hit in the feels so hard with these old tourny videos
@MagicalBirb
@MagicalBirb 3 жыл бұрын
i remember when i started playing league, end of season 2, i picked volibear, did ad/lifesteal, and had a bunch of penta kills with him, now a days i do 1 item a lil too weird from the meta and im being flamed by everyone :/
@Leonardodeboni0406
@Leonardodeboni0406 3 жыл бұрын
Get four friends and u get a flex that u do what u want
@WatchSchoolDays
@WatchSchoolDays 4 жыл бұрын
Watching videos like this sadden me as it reminds of those "old days" of league. S2 and S3 pro league were the best to watch and the most entertaining and lets not forget how BIG s2 world championship was back then. After it no world champs could capture that grand feeling again (s3 was close and that's it). I think I am slowly becoming a League "boomer".
@vulekv93
@vulekv93 3 жыл бұрын
S2 worlds was the peak League of Legends.
@Tomasz0216
@Tomasz0216 4 жыл бұрын
I love these vids so much I make sure i watch all the ads without skipping!
@SAGEM1A4Me
@SAGEM1A4Me 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. Just recently got into LoL. Good stuff man and thanks for introducing me to such an amazing song.
@Whimscialwibbs
@Whimscialwibbs 4 жыл бұрын
Anyone know the song/music at 13:14? I've heard it before but can't remember the name
@agisvougesis3696
@agisvougesis3696 4 жыл бұрын
Ooyy - Come 2gether
@PlutoDarknight
@PlutoDarknight 4 жыл бұрын
"Mechanical high skill cap" champions my ass. I'd rather take the quality of a well-designed and theorycrafted off-meta build standing the test against the best people on the best meta champions compared to overloaded bullshit that is gated by some looming headspace called "skill ceiling"
@darkestkhan
@darkestkhan 4 жыл бұрын
Often there is no skill ceiling to begin with. The game turned into twitchy reflex fps equivalent - no fun left.
@SinOfDisaster
@SinOfDisaster 4 жыл бұрын
can't forget the nerfs/buffs. Hmm this champion is too overloaded I know let's take away 5 atk perfectly nerfed now(Lee Sin). Oh this champion is too strong let's gut it to the point it is now a stun bot and nothing else(AD Malzahar) instead of taking away AD ratio they gutted him. Hmm ADC champions that solo split push at all times get destroyed by Assassins let's nerf all of their items into the ground while buffing ADC items perfect idea. Frankly I think Riot company have 6 spinning dart boards in their office of Ideas. That they blindfold the director spin him around spin the boards around and have him throw at them. Only reason I can see half their shit being put into the game being even remotely reasonable.
@xersonaxaapk1417
@xersonaxaapk1417 4 жыл бұрын
true
@darkestkhan
@darkestkhan 4 жыл бұрын
@@SinOfDisaster I believe that things went really downwards after season 5. Mostly 'cuz too many people were idiots that never built arpen items to deal wioth tanks (I remember people telling me "Sion you are unkillable" when they had not a single armor penetration item - I could as well be playing karthus at that point, with 200+ armor what did they expect to do?)
@facterrgaming449
@facterrgaming449 4 жыл бұрын
I mean, that’s just not true, champions are created to be gated by how good you are at league fundamentals and learning the individual mechanics and intricacies of champions, if they made every champions kit function around bad players then the game would be a complete fucking shit show, off meta things work fine to a certain level, if you want to be competitive at any reasonable level in solo queue you adhere to what is strong. But there is always exceptions, one tricks hit challenger and GM, on champions that are not meta, don’t blame competitive game design on your inability to execute a champions strengths effectively
@themodernking384
@themodernking384 3 жыл бұрын
i love your videos. Just makes me enjoy the simple things in life
@HabboOddKr
@HabboOddKr 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely loved this, great work!
@RomanNumeral04
@RomanNumeral04 4 жыл бұрын
The removal of creative builds was one of the reasons i quit league
@bobbudowniczygames
@bobbudowniczygames 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe u r not so creative lol
@joaoborges1764
@joaoborges1764 4 жыл бұрын
Literally every month a new op off meta strat appears... Just look at kalista 5ND soraka top, they became meta for quite some time until riot had to nerf them becuz they were rly good on the right hands and people were complaining. Wanna see a off meta strat that is still in the game becuz it is not broken and it actually became meta nowadays? Just look at shyv builds, she used to be build tanky and dps but in this entire season people play her mostly bursty ap. People are always innovating and trying new things and in cases like the shyv the off-meta picks actually become meta cuz everyone saw how good it worked and started to play them like that
@shadownight9956
@shadownight9956 4 жыл бұрын
João Nuno bruh they are not fuckingg creative they are just massive BS status bullshiteryy
@spartantnt1023
@spartantnt1023 4 жыл бұрын
@@joaoborges1764 The problem with this is that most of this isn't creative or innovative at all. Shyvana was basically completely reworked into an AP character, her E doesn't even function the same way anymore, and building AP has actually been THE META. It has been since last season even. It overshadows her older strategies to the point, where trying to do them would actually put her at one of the lowest win rates in game, because she is now balanced around a purely AP playstyle. Those other builds would actually be the off meta strats, not her magic damage builds. Prior to that she was attack speed oriented, and before that she was a feral flare jungler, and before that a top lane tank. She's a horrible example as an off meta strat, because she flat out isn't one. Furthermore, Kalista, Soraka, and Sona top where just basically design exploits due to Riot overlooking unprecedented damage creep in the last season, and the massive nerfs most melee champions suffered over the years, and their problems with survivability when everyone can kill them with a single combo(take in mind tanks were also unplayable last season). As was pointed out in the video, itemization has been extremely casualized, to the point where dynamic decision making processes have been nearly removed from the game. Once upon a time characters like Udyr could go anywhere from full tank, to AD, AP, and more. This wasn't just a "He did that several seasons ago" deal either like Shyvana, NO champions like Uydr could pull off all those builds back to back, and swap mid match if they desired too. All of which offered different gameplay patterns, and they were all valid. They had to be approached differently, not only did the rules of engagement change for those builds, but what service they performed for their team did too. Currently even someone like Udyr despite being relatively unchanged, is forced into running the same keystones, and building the same way every single time. He does nothing new or unique ever. Characters are given rigged roles, and flexibility isn't allowed. When you see something like Kalista top, it's not only unintentional in a negative way, but lacking in creativity. The reason why, is because Kalista top doesn't do ANYTHING differently from a normal Kalista, she just abused melee laners, with the passive that repeatedly gets her nerfed since she was introduced. Her build paths were basically the exact same as well. She isn't suddenly a tank, because of some creative way of exploiting items or character weak points. She isn't randomly building AP, in order to diversify her portfolio as a damage dealer. She isn't some sort of utility character, that helps enable dives with her ult. No, shes just regular and perfectly normal Kalista! Creating new and impactful playstyles for champions, and new innovative builds is largely a thing of the past, and is almost exclusively done now within fixed parameters typically on older champions. A better example of a modern off meta build, is things like Tristana mid, or Manamune Draven with exhaust.
@joaoborges1764
@joaoborges1764 4 жыл бұрын
​@@spartantnt1023 Off meta doesn't just refer to builds but also to roles and playstyles. I would argue that most off meta creative builds come up precisely from overlooks so i dont think that saying kalista and raka top dont count (since they were design exploits from something riot overlooked) is a valid argument. So was alistar, he clearly was not meant to be played top and that new strat came from riot overlooking how big his ap ratios were on the season 1 meta, where outplay potential was severely reduced due to a lack of mobility and skill expression through abilitys, which meant that big numbers on abilities meant way more than they would today (big numbers don't rly matter all that much if the skill they are attached is easily dodgable) and combined with not being squishy due to his ult made him a broken pick. Since u don't seem to like off meta picks that don't change builds, than following up on how movement is way more important than numbers as of the later seasons, you can take a look at ad LB. She doesn't even have any ad scalings, yet her mobile kit allows her kiting build to shine in certain metas. It certainly is not meta, yet it keeps being played every season when the meta shifts allow for it. Legit every meta there are quite a few changes that allow for new builds and strats to surface, you just need to be creative and not follow what everyone else tries. Also you said that shyv is purposely made to be played ap as of this moment, yet I remember quite well that everyone played her ad until someone found out she was good ap. She as an actual off meta pick at the time her ap build surged, it's just that rito actually liked her that way and changed things to help players play her that way, at the same time they balanced her to not be broken in either form. BTW one check on op gg and you will see that while her ap variant is way more played, bloodrazor, deaths dance, frozen mallet and witch end still have pretty good win rates so her dps build is definetly not dead. As of this very moment a new tf build focused on omnistone and attack speed is raising in popularity and it was also created by a player who found a way to fuse the wave clear of the ap build with the squirmishing potential of the ad one. Every day new metas are created, it's just that a lot of them don't even get to see the spotlight cuz the players aren't good enough to make the required playstyles shine. Honestly u dont even need 200 IQ or anything to create new interesting builds, so long as u pay atention to the patch notes and think of creative ways to abuse the recent changes u will manage at least a half decent off meta pick. U can even predict the future broken off meta picks that will either get nerfed to the ground or become meta. I know for experience, since I was one of the first to play ekko tank top, kalista top (on this meta) and yuumi top (still hasnt happened but raka took her spot). I can also tell u that if u paid attention to the most recent patch note u would immediatly think of a few possibilities for new picks. The one I m most focused on at the moment is a ranged duo with kalista capable of abusing her w passive every 10 seconds without being greatly punished. I actually believe that we might see a bot swap in pro play with a good 2 vs 1 pick on the bot lane just to survive, while kalista and her ranged counterpart absolutely destroy the enemy top laner. 14% max hp on a single short trade is actually disgusting, and the enemy team would be forced to loose a lot of tempo to reassign their lanes or have a useless top laner who won't even be able to properly get xp without risking dieing.
@wastedsoul1024
@wastedsoul1024 4 жыл бұрын
Stattik + Ice Bourne Alistar top? Edit: dang it.
@avidfan3407
@avidfan3407 4 жыл бұрын
the build that killed Alistar's free aa after w. It was such a fun pick 😥
@MM-vu3ps
@MM-vu3ps 4 жыл бұрын
these videos are insane, much respect
@brenoson1357
@brenoson1357 4 жыл бұрын
You have made Shushei my favorite season one player. Good job on the content and quality of the video. Good job and keep it up.
@connorgriffin7046
@connorgriffin7046 4 жыл бұрын
I miss the days of being able to actually go off meta picks, everything nowadays is just so cookie cutter
@anomaly3055
@anomaly3055 4 жыл бұрын
U can still go off-meta easily u just need to know well what are u doing, I play ashe and warwick top carrying games
@connorgriffin7046
@connorgriffin7046 4 жыл бұрын
true but in what elo are you playing in?
@Unelith
@Unelith 4 жыл бұрын
@@anomaly3055 Yeah but back then you could come up with a few different builds for characters, nowadays at best you can move on the offense-defense sliding scale. Back then everybody had an unexpected awkward ratio here and there. And now they even nerfed AP Tryndamere to the ground...
@asmonull
@asmonull 3 жыл бұрын
@@anomaly3055 anything clearly off-meta that is even remotely successful (to the point it can become meta given some time) gets nerfed into oblivion almost instantly, for various reasons (game health, going against intended experience). See: Garen/Yuumi, toplane Sona, funnel strat.
@anomaly3055
@anomaly3055 3 жыл бұрын
@@asmonull I don't know everything about lol, but I'm quite sure it's still very possible to play off-meta today even if it doesn't look like it did in the past
@RawBerserker
@RawBerserker 4 жыл бұрын
"SeAsOn OnE wOrLdS dOeSn'T cOuNt"
@junowee5154
@junowee5154 4 жыл бұрын
It doesn’t...
@Rhaalis
@Rhaalis 4 жыл бұрын
@@junowee5154 tbh Koreans and Chinese weren't great at league at first.
@ScutMonkey
@ScutMonkey 4 жыл бұрын
I vividly remember watching the play starting out at 18:20 of this video. It's one of my all time favorite League plays by anyone. I LOVED Shushei.
@kennykwong1028
@kennykwong1028 4 жыл бұрын
Great video man. Loved him as a player and loved westside as well.
@woozywitanuzi6208
@woozywitanuzi6208 4 жыл бұрын
I honestly thought this was about doinb when I saw the video 😅
@ameagher45
@ameagher45 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah he states that off meta builds are dead meanwhile 2019 worlds has DoinB winning with mid Nautilus.
@woozywitanuzi6208
@woozywitanuzi6208 3 жыл бұрын
@@ameagher45 it seemed so broken riot instantly nerfed his ap ratios.
@kokorochacarero8003
@kokorochacarero8003 4 жыл бұрын
20:58 I strongly disagree. Glorying mechanical outplay and execution dumbs down the game A LOT and it takes strategical diversity away from it. Riven syndrome.
@spartantnt1023
@spartantnt1023 4 жыл бұрын
Precisely, what players have accepted over recent years. Strategic depth has been abandoned in favor of mildly mechanical plays at best, which is always advantageous to overly mobile champions that offer more potential to do said plays, creating unfair, linear, and braindead gameplay. Where characters have predetermind use cases, and power at any given time in the game. Cookie cutter builds have been not only forged such as in the past, but have been mandated by Riot. With champion designs that offer less flexability, and have more basic functions. You will rarely ever encounter a champion and be left with the realization they're doing something completely different than expected. Gone are the days when you had to monitor someone like Sion, who could be building damn near anything. You won't walk into a Nunu, and being killed instantly by a heat seeking snowball thinking hes a tank, only to realize the mad lad built AP. Not knowing this as he had been playing the other parts of the map until that point.
@kokorochacarero8003
@kokorochacarero8003 4 жыл бұрын
@@spartantnt1023 Triforce, Steraks, Titanic Every Fucking Game On Every Fucking Bruiser
@egertaras
@egertaras 4 жыл бұрын
Great documentary as always.Consider shedding some light to players such as Chauster in the future.
@OriginalVoiceBox
@OriginalVoiceBox 3 жыл бұрын
These docuseries you do on Season 1 make me yearn for the good ole days ;-;
@tehawsumninja
@tehawsumninja 4 жыл бұрын
Last time I was this early, PCGamer was still plagiarizing Gbay99
@Technosoul22
@Technosoul22 4 жыл бұрын
I have really appreciated and enjoyed your new style of content. I hope you continue to write about the intricacies and true sport behind league of legends. Thank you for your content.
@TasiekYT
@TasiekYT 4 жыл бұрын
wow, this just showe up on my KZfaq page... Weren't expecting to see video about Shushei after all this years. Greetings from Poland :)
@dreamxx4856
@dreamxx4856 4 жыл бұрын
Great vid Gbay keep it up!
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