Really great review! Hit some really good talking points, can’t believe how quick these flat spotted on you 😮 Good on NHS to send you a replacement set tho! I appreciate you sharing my review as well. Was wondering where these new subscribers were coming from lol. Hope you have an awesome day man! Cheers 👊🏼

Dang!!! What an experience. Thanks for taking one for the team and going into such detail. Very very helpful.

Thanks for the review. Glad to hear that you got some X97s. I was going to say you should try those. I have some and like them a lot. They slide and sound good and seem durable.

Oj 101 wheels are the only wheel I have ever rode and just hated. So I was wondering how these would be. But the price is just waaaay to much for what you are getting. Great review man.

Another very thorough and thoughtful review. Love your channel.

Awesome review dude. Another great rundown. I was gonna pull the trigger on these but I will think again. I like my Elite 99a Hardlines on super slick smooth bowls as they grip better than Spitfire f4 99A. Bones X Formula are incredible, you'll love them! Look forward to your review on them!

I love these honest reviews, bro. Let the hate flow through you. 🔥

Cool review G. I still love O.J.s but the tolerance is more to blend with the 95a to be experimented on since the Nomads are proper for the streets. Im glad you got Bones X form to recover through your trip! Those look like my next go-to wheel since the v5 shape is just perfect.

Sounds like an honest review. Thanks for your time and effort.

I've skated the Oj mini combo elite 101, no flat spots at park or street so it's likely an issue with the outer adhering to the inner core. 97x have a divot here and there but definitely seems like a happy medium and wonder of it uses a dual duro of some sort as well. Thanks for the review as always!

Thanks for the review, I almost got these but went with dragons instead. As far the customer service you received, I hope they see your well put review!

Another great video, Thorne! I almost pulled the trigger on these because I was waiting for an Xformula that's 60mm+ I'm nursing torn meniscus and can't take much vibration. TBH, I also tried 87a OJ keyframes and they felt much harder than 93a Dragons.

I've been torn between these and the powell dragons. This review definitely helped settle it. Great review, thank you.

Hey Pal. Love the channel. We've had these wheels before in the past. I'm pretty sure the dual hardness first dropped in 1989 or 90. They always fail to sell

I got those wheels when they came out and FWIW I really like them. Probably one of my favorite wheel so far. I’m mostly on rough concrete, so can’t speak to the slippery point, but I do like their loud bark on slides, and they feel really fast. I noticeably push less and hold speed longer. First time I have OJs, and will probably buy them again.

i think that they should try to develop some softer versions of this concept. 95 out and 87 in or something maybe? being from new england, 101 just doesnt roll on most roads/parking lots/surfaces here.

Thanks for the honest review. I'm always going back to f4 classics even though I hate the color

Idk man, i think dragons, x97, and formula 4 are pretty much the best we got at the moment. Im happy with that, ive been on some wide cut 54 mm x97s and boy are they fun as hell. Dont think ill be trying anything else anytime soon.

thanks for the detailed review the cons you mentioned were definitely deal breakers for me. appreciate you saving me $60+ 🤙🏼

Solid review. Like the reviewbrah reference haha

thanks, I was srsly considering to try these wheels, but obviously I won't bother now. instead I got another pair of dragons, good decision. the dragons actually hold up. for skateparks I use F4, but so far there really is not a wheel that I want to ride everywhere. Dragons are awesome for everything that is not smooth skatepark, and they are still pretty good there. Andy Anderson currently has a new wheel in the making, 97A nano cubic, basically a harder dragon formula shaped like a freestyle wheel. kinda stoked, when they come out, I will probably try them and I am definetely hyped for your review already ^^

You answered that question for me. Thanks

Similar experience with the 87A Plain Jane Key frames, started to peel like hardboiled eggs on the third day of casual riding, and they're also obnoxiously loud especially for being advertised as Filmer wheels, and also not covered by the NHS warranty

GREAT VIDEO! THX! Instant fan!

damn you really hate these wheels, huh? I still might try them, sounds like you had a pretty rough experience though. I love dragons, but I need the slide of a 101

I haven’t tried these yet but I have the OJ Nomads basically what they used for the inner core and it’s been a comfortable ride really grippy but slides when I want it too

Really good review.

Im gonna try the elite nomads 95a, hope they perform well. Until now i just tried cruiser wheels from OJ like the super juice and the keyframes

I like his awkward confidence

Your rough surface was silky smooth compared to where I live! My biggest question on these is about bam bams bestie, how do they handle pebbles? I can imagine the soft centre helps them to grab small stones and send you flying!

You need more subs for all these product release and reviews

Ripping off the Powerflex wheels from back in the day. Which were so good

Spitfire actually tried something similar like 20-25 years ago, they were the opposite, they gave you the hard inner and soft outer. They were like 97a outer 101a inner. If I'm riding crust I'm just a straight up mini juice these days or ill do formula 4 99a for regular skating. I don't need any gimmicks anymore.

I really enjoy the 97a Chris Gregson oj wheel not a big fan of the shape but nice feel

I had a feeling these weren’t going to work as marketed. I just didn’t see how a wheel could feel soft and smooth with a 101 riding surface. I also don’t understand why they’re so expensive. Dual duro wheels aren’t even a new thing. I had some dual duro autobahns in 2010 and they were regular wheel price.

Not to discount anything you said about the wheels, but that indoor park is the most slippery place I’ve ever skated. I rock spitfire 97a there and it’s prefect.

thank you!! you saved me $120 because I was going to buy 8 pcs for my roller skates❤

Are you going to review the bones X Formula?

Sucks that happened to the set you bought.. I bought the prototype ones when they came out and then the latest ones to come out and tbh they have been the best wheels I’ve ridden in a long time…. I have set of dragons and Xformulas as well and although they are good smooth wheels and slideable the feel of the DoubleDuros is better to me at least..

I’m gonna go with Dragons.

Definitely skeptical of things like this. Wheels with cores are not a new thing, either… the price is definitely prohibitive for me to buy them. Everyone has a dud… the Indy inverted kingpin isn’t too great, from my experience.

i think it's perfectly reasonable to not warranty flat spots, unless they claim them to be flat spot resistant. most flat spots will ride out anyway. i wouldn't try them anyway, bc i don't like super loud wheels or really hard wheels. i'd like to try the dragon formula, mostly bc of how quiet they are.

I feel like if the want to make a double durometer they should just make the inside alot softer like I skate 95a wheels on one of my boards and Rocky concrete,cracks and pebbles are still noticeable so I would say maybe like a inside duro of like 80 something would make them a lot better

my happy place is 97a radial fulls by spitfire

Yeah for all intents and purposes those wheels sound gimmicky as hell. I’m currently riding the Dragons again after 99A Spits and they slide like a dream on asphalt and they ride smooth. NHS have a lot of gimmicky stuff.

i have some almost 40yo oj2 wheels 60mm 97a, they ride and slide really well even being a wide old school wheel

Had a set of OJ’s once. Now I remember why. They do be slipping.

mini logo wheels are hard to beat for quality/price. bones/skate-one customer service is excellent. my experience with oj wheels has been mixed, but generally adequate. the biggest complaint with modern oj wheels is the tendency to chunk out similar to bones stf, and they seem to cone out pretty fast. i don't like loud barking wheels.

Daaang, i was looking forward to OJs version of the Dragons, but sounds like they dropped the ball. I knew that 101a outer was gna be a bad idea. Guess i'm gettin Dragons 😏

nomads are kinda loud too for a softer wheel. nomads still my favorite durometer

Do a video on the 95 nomads ...

you'd like the spitfire sapphires

2:31 all the 101a and b wheels ive had made those noises on park cement, on street/macadum you dont get that

Still nothing beats f4 97A for me

I have tried the dragons and these O'Js... in my opinion neither one of them were anything special. I'm an old man and I ride slime balls most of the time anyway

Wheres the spitfire 93a review ???

I love them. You can definitely tell the difference on rougher shit and they are slow like dragons. Legit atv wheel!

Autobahn makes some of the nicest Dual Duro wheels

Went from formula 4 spitfire to bones x97 formula and i wont go back.. best wheel out there

I think any OJ double durometer that is 95A on the inside, is actually not soft enough to really deliver on the promise. I do think any smooth surface skatepark will not handle 100a / 101a wheels very good actually. It's kinda of why the standard 99a exists. Maybe OJ Double durometer 99a/85a would be a better combo. The other thing is how wheel size _matters_ quite a lot on rougher grounds too. I think my 97A Seismic freestyle wheels that are like 55mm or so, are best for rougher grounds. Even compared to Bones Rough Riders 56mm. Those are kind of too soft for tricks IMHO.

95a ojs are a good wheel but they already feel hard. Maybe 101 for pure speed on smooth park surfaces but definitely way too hard for me.

You’re sliding out because of your form and weight distribution. The harder wheels make bad form more apparent because your weight isn’t fully over all 4 wheels. I’m skating the OJs elite 101a combos currently and noticed I don’t get away with as many of the sketchier roll aways i used to. But it’s improved my form overall while riding park and I feel more stylish now.

SPITFIRE - 90D are the same and pretty fast for bowls/parks, sound normal, but grippy but unlike the Dragons they suck at sliding. Dragons LAST just the best value at the mo

I think OJ as a company is good and I love their team, however, the only wheel I ever had issues with was the Elite 101A, not only did they flatspot on me but they were very slippery. So much so that I slipped out on a bank and broke my ankle badly, will never skate the 101 formula again.

That indoor park is hard to skate sometimes lol 😂 btw sick your form Oregon let’s go

No idea what happened to NHS, but the quality has gone down quite a bit. Bones and Spitfire are far better for your money. The Bones x97's are sick!!!

Wasn’t happy with my OJs, wore out really fast.

only actual realworld/skate application this wheel struck me as....was a DITCH rig....cutty/choppy ditch spots bank 2 ledge spots...where you want 101a to generate all the speed you need bank to bank into that eventual trick...while also having good/harsh grip on legit CRETE(vs that smoothed out skatepark concrete)....and the 101a slide ability for those bank 2 ledge tricks. Otherwise i dislike 100a+ in most of my parks bc theyre typically too slick...same to if im at an indoor skatepark or non concrete surfaces/ramps. I like the "idea" ....but typically i ran cores back in the day for 101-104a inner cores....to ADD speed in the park/flow. With 99a or softer outer duro...for grip. Autobahns were the SHIIIIT back in my era of skating. Thin 50mms for ideal street/park/ledge tech skating. But many of us have grown out of that ERA. Been running SFW99 since the manderson wheel came out...and havent touched F4...bc back in the day Pre F4 blend Spitfire had the FABLED F1 blend...XD or would be "park blend"....also ran those as emburns Duel duro 104a innner 99a F1 outer.....F1=FLATSPOT MACHINES. Worst wheel blend of skate history. But hey at least now everyone makes the CONICAL/FULL shape. Lately im on some ghettochild conical fulls, and satori 101a conical full shapes. Not bad. One day i may try F4 but i swipe up my wheels on deal...and 40$ is something id rather spend/save towards swiss bones or if they ever made reds big balls ceramics. hell id rahter save that 40$ and throw them at something "NEW" like ace AF1 60s since ive never skated aces and ride my friends setups like its my own.

Thats why spitfire F4 only

"why would they say something that wasn't true?" 😭😭😭

Thanks for saving me like $80 Canadian

I suspect these were rushed out in response to Powell's dragon wheels, I thought NHS did something similar with the ricta speedbands way back. Shame they didn't work out as there's a demand for new types of wheel tech.

Yeah i gotta say companies other than spitfire and bones don't have the tech to make really good wheels... Even the OJ 95a nomads by itself aren't that soft, so putting a hard urethane layer on top is obviously not going to make that soft of a ride feel. That makes me think... Maybe if powell made a wheel that is 93a or even softer on the contact patch area, but 100a on the SIDEWALLS, then it would ride soft, slide well, and still won't stick when doing pinch tricks!

I am in Philly area and minus some parks or plazas you pretty much when skating around spot to spot or just cruising are mainly on rough grounds, train tracks, dodging potholes and etc. Been riding the OJ Nora V pro model wheels that are from 2-3 years ago and they still are holding up really well. Minus losing size they don't got flat spots still and no chips. Personally I think the whole hybrid wheels like these or Dragons are not worth it. Rather just get the good regular OJ's.

Man giving the truth not wasting my time with these ones the x97s are awesome

I think you're being a little dramatic. 101 is always going yo be slippery in a Dusty indoor park. They were $60 and you can't take your mom out to dinner for $60. I agree they kinda feel like a 97a but 97a isn't going to slide like the double durometer. Great wheel

Uh duh bones 104 and spitfire 101 only

This wheels set looks defected bcoz defected wheels has chunks out and chips pretty easily. I think if you continue skate them and get bigger chips you will be covered by manufacturing guarantee

So you say the wheel skate feel like a 97, so I don’t really understand why you are saying they don’t work? Do you expect them to skate like a 95 or 90? a 101 that feels less chattery is a win in my book. I think you’re being dramatic.

Those look flat, brother. You need some oldschool bones hard spf wheels.

No one covers flat spots dude. You can flat spot literally any wheel. Just ride it out.

Just get dragons or nano cubics

gave OJ two separate chances a few years apart, both standard and 101 elite formulas, both absolute garbage. not even up for debate. waste of money and time

Go for USA made wheels...

every company is trying to market and copy the dragons we as skaters know and dont fall for the bs advertising and we know who th ogs are and what works

The dual durometer wheel is a gimmick from the early 80s and it failed then... I noticed how many failed gimmicks of skateboarding on being rehashed now because it's a new group of fools that are falling for the garbage😂

Seriously OJ wheels are trash cruiser and nomads. Putting two piles of poop together just makes it more shit and you’ll have nasty hands. NHS is a corporate skateboard company that doesn’t care about its quality. That shows in all their products including Santa cruise decks

There engineered beyond your comprehension, I’ve skated for 23 years and oj prototype are completely worth the purchase and should be set up with new bearings!! There meant for skaters that can skate well not for beginners like your self

They don't have flat spotting under warranty that's crazy one of my dragons wheels stretched out in the core 5 months after use and I wasn't even looking for a warranty claim just asking skate one why my bearing was falling out my wheel and they ended sending me free set without even buying it from them I got the wheels at my local zumiez lmao I wouldn't expect them to always give good experience like me but the customer service was definitely a lot better

Didn't I tell you to get a set of bones X97 a long time ago when they first came out and review them? OJ is a second rate wheel brand, watse of time and money.

Do a full review and comparison of the Bones X97 to the Spitfire 97A, that you said you have been riding, that would be a video worth it's weight in gold, money 💰 OJ, Santa Cruz NHS wheels are second rate trash not worth the time and money on.