If libraries were invented today it wouldn't be legal

The old internet DID crumble. Geocities, Angelfire, etc are mostly gone. Image hosts of yesteryear are gone, forums are abandoned and gone, onetime tentpoles of the World Wide Web are history.

The age of information, future historians are going to think the name is ironic when they find out a gigantic void of what actually went on during our age.

It's kind of wild how quickly we went from "everything on the internet is permanent" to "almost everything on the internet will be lost"

The Internet Archive isn't the only place to find old media. Its a loss to the general public but sailing the seven seas will always be the only way to protect history and lost media. Decentralize the content.

As someone who is constantly working on old cars, the death of some of those web 1.0 and 2.0 sites is tragic as I heavily rely on some of those forum post from the late 90s and early 2000s to get to and from work.

Yeah the internet went from open source information sharing to pure profiteering. Want an old manual from a company that doesnt exist anymore ...PAY ME! Want to play a game that no is no longer available.. PAY ME Want a driver and or software for vintage computer parts ..PAY ME Need a book thats no longer published and removed...PAY ME!! Every day im downloading TBs of stuff from the IA (doest matter what it is) I will always have my own archive and will always give it out for free to anyone who needs it .

Matt Stone and Trey Parker own the digital rights to South Park as they had the foresight to predict online video streaming in 1997. Comedy Central just gave it to them as if it wasn't anything important.

The funniest statement I ever heard was a C programming instructor in the late 90’s that URL’s in textbooks were ok because publishers were obligated to keep them up and available indefinitely! 😂 So I played devil’s advocate and asked: “Who would do what exactly to a publisher that ‘disobeyed’ this edict?” And the subject of conversation was changed.

Piracy/torrenting wins again. As long as theres seeders on the DHT network, itll be downloadable. Stuff will eventually be lost to time, but there will probably be archivists.

2:40 The Comedy Central one is huge. There were tons of clips of comedy acts that you couldn't legitimately get anyplace else there.

Fact: if they weren't already in existence, creating a public library nowadays would be impossible.

On the subject of not being able to see old episodes of The Daily Show or The Colbert Report, I managed to find clips on KZfaq playing old field pieces from like 2002 and man, the kinds of things you could make fun of 20 years ago was wild.

IMDB losing its forums were one of the great tragedies of the internet. After watching a good movie I loved going to the movies individual forum on IMDB where I could sit for hours and read years upon years of discussions. It's been so long but I still miss it.

Fuck... I need a NAS, or better a server, or a server farm... we have to decentralize the archives. There is so much outstanding work published on the web that's just slowly deteriorating and eroding and vanishing. It's a travesty if we can't preserve it. I hope we can.

The "Old Internet" has been gone for a very long time. What's being lost is history, not the idea of the Internet.

The Library of Alexandria will always be torn down in flames. Such is the curse of acquiring knowledge.

A lot of KZfaqrs are removing content because of KZfaqs ever changing rules. It sucks because some of those videos are better than the current ones AND nostalgic.

I'm sick and tired of the internet getting purged of all of its content. We really need preventative safeguards, because the damage has already been done, and I hate it

Remember, always keep backups

For everyone who doesn't already, go set up a donation to the Internet Archive. It's so important to support the efforts of web archival, as well as archiving all the other content they save. If it's a service you use, or you just care about this, toss them a few dollars.

That's the problem with a profit driven society.....why does everything need to make money?

Back when Netflix was still just starting to become popular as a streaming service, there were those who had the foresight to look ahead and see what would happen with the cable companies and studios and such. They knew, that it was just a matter of time before the greed of the studios would turn streaming right back into a cable subscription. Here we are folks. They've basically been proven right, entirely. And thing is, there isn't really anyone to blame on this except for once again the studios and companies that used to exist on cable/satellite only. It's high time that they be reminded who's in charge, and it's not them. Fact is, if no one watches their content, they go under. They fail. They go bankrupt, etc. And no, I don't mean arrr everyone kind of not watch their content. I mean, not even the pirates take the content in the first place to be watched. Viewership numbers so low, they are forced to cut costs and slowly sink their own ship. But what about our entertainment in the meantime? Well, there is still a plethora of actually good content that still exists to be consumed at our preference over on certain arrr type websites. But seeing as how most of the content released lately is absolute dog water filled with 💩, it's not like anyone is missing much. And, if there is something worth watching, actually; then those are the few times we maybe actually grace them with our viewership and wallets being opened. By doing so in such a way, it forces them to acknowledge that only certain content is getting them any customers at all, aside from all the other content that has them hemorrhaging money. And as a side note: Steam is likely going to become a problem in the future too, or one of the many platforms similar to it. We would be wise to start backing up data en mass, with methods figured out to make it so all the games can be played regardless of steam's interaction with the computer. Offline mode exists of course still, so that can probably be leveraged somehow. Not to be used right away, so as to not cause an waves to be formed on that front; but always just off to the side in secret, waiting for that moment when greed strikes; and we can retaliate.

That's funny you brought up the PC Cables site as I happened upon that site earlier today for completely unrelated reasons and my first thought was how dated the design was.

I was looking up modding older consoles and constantly ran into websites that were taken down, and had to use the web archive to read them.

I genuinely feel like a huge reason for content becoming so weirdly expensive and impermanent is just the abhorrent deluge of user content and now ai content just BLOATING storage and service systems with petabytes and petabytes of data that is little more than just E waste to store and serve to people in SEO, algorithm content farm bait. But i dont know anything about the way data is stored and served but just getting past that content is taking up more and more of my time, the energy and battery lifespan of my phone, etc. Content is becoming e-waste in a lot of ways.

copyright is one of the most destructive things to happen to art and history

The PC cables website is awesome! Just what you need straight to the point without all the nonsense. I avoid all online shops that insist on creating an account lately. You don't have PayPal express checkout? Then you don't need me as a customer.

Even though I am print disabled, meaning I can access books on the internet archive through their pribt disability program, and the internet archive purge doesn't really affect me (the purge doesn't remove books for print disabled people), I really don't like this situation. I think books should be free for everyone, not just disabled people.

I feel like one of the major efforts of the coming years should be the collection and publication of repair documents in a single open archive. It could tie in nicely with the right to repair movement. I have personally been able to save a machine for which no replacement is manufactured, because someone was still paying hosting for the defunct company website with pdf service manuals.

Back up anything and everything that holds value to you.

With South Park streaming, that is simple. They simply determined what Brian Boitano would do and had it put in their contract.

Backup, backup, BACKUP. Everyone needs to start buying massive long term drives so we can preserve the good things before it gets riddled with fucking AI dogshit garbage

I made a project report page for a high school class on angelfire in the early 2000s, and for some reason it's still up in all of its cringy glory. I haven't had access to the angelfire account/email for like 2 decades and I'm pretty sure the account itself doesn't even exist in angelfire's database anymore. But every time I think about it I go check and it just won't die. All of the images still work and everything. It even had the classic page view counter, which is still functioning as intended, and reads 198.

Now the Supreme Court has changed the interpretation laws, So it might help the Internet archive since the ruling allows every single interpretation laws up for debate.

Gyargh, it be time to sail the seven seas again!

I reuploaded a 2015 video and 12 hours and 13 views in I got a takedown directly from the original creator. Not a big name, but mind you this video wasn't on KZfaq. But it was something I liked going back to and others did too. It's on IA at least, but videos on IA are slow to play. So I thought to re-upload it. It sucks. I went through emailing this guy but he was genuinely offended some tiny KZfaq channel wanted to preserve his old shit. I mentioned I can only hope he saw it as an opportunity to realize there's some market for this content and that he should consider reuploading it. I hate seeing shit get removed from the internet

Something really needs to change with being able to access old content because so much stuff will be lost forever over the next few decades.

Piracy is the only moral option left now.

I miss the original Hamsterdance site

Photo Bucket destroyed my images I had in my archive there ages ago. It was all personal photos too. So I redownloaded what was left in reasonable quality, deleted the rest, and closed my account.

Rock auto is pretty similar format to the cable website you showed. My favorite retailer for most of my car parts since it’s easy to find products/compare them to eachother. Plus the prices are great

All these moment will be lost in time, like tears in the rain.

I just used time machine to get old manuals from a company that doesn't exist now so i could get one of their products running again lol WE NEED THESE DAWG WDYM

I cant remember the exact url, but all of southpark baring episode 200 and 201 were on a website called southpark studio, with no adds or payment.

That shop page is also like ROCK AUTO for car parts. Fantastic shopping experience, and so many parts! Not having to scroll through pages and pages of things looking under one heading. Fantastic!

Publishers want Libraries to pay for those digital licenses

The cable shopping website reminds me of how we used to be able to run Windows and a web browser and other programs, all with 256MB of RAM, and aside from possibly having a poor internet speed you could load and display web pages pretty fast. Now chrome by itself takes more RAM than one of those old computers, and website speed varies a lot depending on the JavaScript code running in it. It's probably pretty even in speed usually, but it kind of feels bad making a lot of progress on the hardware side just to have that progress consumed by what feels like more and more bloated software.

There is a legal requirement to send a copy of everything that is published on paper to an archive, and there is an archive of everything that was ever aired on TV (in France at least). We need something similar written in law for the internet.

Automotive forums and repair DIY threads have been destroyed by photo bucket and Facebook groups. Information is lost so quickly and not searchable on facebook

Why was this now a decision by the people? It's always a single judge. This should have been by a group of people who were called for jury duty

This is why I'm downloading ever old movie and tv/cartoon/anime to keep forever on my hard drives. Also might need to get more roms for my older games.

Don't know if they're in Canada, but Rock Auto is also a super simple web design. It's easy enough to navigate though, and if that's what helps me get car parts at lower costs I'm all for it.

I could see one day a secret internet where you enter it turns out to be the internet of the 1990's

Is there any way we can crowd source a fund to buy the next big studio failure and turn the properties over to creative commons?

We all collectively need to sail the seven seas before it’s too late.

ouch.

Does this also apply in the EU? I feel like this is a good opportunity for the DU to step up again and allow this to be protected and accessible for everyone with a VPN

Bro what's with the thumbnail? Burn it!

I wonder if one of their artists made that thumbnail by hand specifically to look Ai

I'm trying to download the internet, but I have little legs...

IIRC, (and I might be wrong) the problem with the internet archives' case was that they lent multiple copies of the books they were lending because they're digital and that makes sense, bypassing the 1-book-1-lender traditional model. But laws haven't caught up to digital reality to recognize this. Traditionally, in a library if you have one copy of a book, you can't lend out two copies because you only have one. In the digital age, you have no such restriction other than archaic laws that say you can't do that. edit: (~) 3:50 They're probably trying to save developer resources too. Each of their sites probably has a team they inherited when they acquired the sites, along with all of that legacy code and no one wants to go back and maintain it when they now have a unified codebase in Paramount Plus probably. It might just be me, but I tend to assume most corpo websites are just BARELY operational in terms of code given that a lot of the programming mantra in the US is "Does it work? Yes. Well, ship it."

I was browsing composer Wendy Carlos's website the other day and couldn't help but think, "I miss webpages like these being the status quo." Very pre-smartphone-era, pre-Windows-Metro-era design. Shame she hasn't updated it with any new stuff since 2009, though.

We're in the end game now.

This shows how fleeting digital content can be and it's truly disheartening to lose such valuable resources. Hoping for a positive outcome from the appeal, to preserve the spirit of internet as a shared repository of knowledge.

I’ve wanted access to the entire library of previously-aired Daily Show episodes (specifically 2001-2008). There’s a lot of summarized historical/cultural notes in there that warrant revisiting (specifically involving the GWOT). A lot of Gen Z and Alpha are going to lose some context into how the Bush administration BS’ed their way into Iraq.

Tons of angelfire and geocities sites lost to time as well

4:58 im gonna start downloading more stuff that i come back to from time to time just in case

"Husky Starcraft" a few years back just pulling all the starcraft casts and years of professional play gone.

We’re living in the “Red Dead Redemption” of the internet right now. The frontier came and went but the last cowboys and outlaws are still hanging on, soon to be in the dustbin of history.

its part of the whole 'seat' debacle, the entitlements for web-platforms, particually media platforms, is typically partner specific, for their investment or whatever affiliation in the company's partnership, so the portionate cost of ad's and whatever not covered by the partnership comes back to consumers, It's not so easy to federate the logins for such things, unless a public working group effort was made to bring light and policy to what limit that would affect consumers

Is internet archive still around?

just so happy to have my own archive...

Wonder what *Aaron Swartz* would think if he Saw this.. 'The Library Archive'

Wiping archives of these old pages is akin to the burning of the Library of Alexandria.

This is basically the digital version of book burning.

I wonder if that judge even understands how e-books work.

I will say: it is unimaginable how much data is being created. Where is all of this data stored? How many data server farms are required to manage the exponential growth of information? It’s sad but I am not surprised.

The thing with internet archive, there were copying physical books and lending then out. hey did not buy the digital license. That is a big difference.

I must've misheard a while back, I thought the internet archive was lending beyond its physical copies. That is actually ridiculous.

In a society where the power and wealth is all consolidated into the hands of a couple thousand sociopathic billionaires, anything that does not directly net them a profit isn't permitted to exist or be maintained. Any economic system that generates wealth inequality rather than eliminate it is doomed to dystopian failure.

Question here! Do you feel like the internet Shopping is now become a price fixing game? Companies no longer have to compete they use software to scan prices and change them as needed... honestly its really hard to find any price difference on products!

Is this how they put a veil over basically burning books

3:50 You can watch all the south parks for free on the 'south park studios' websites, mat and trey saved the righes to publish theirs shows their as the internet was coming out so they still have those rights today, some random episode seem to not be able to be viewed but i think thats a issues with parrimount plus and their exclusiveity agreement

Literally all of this could be solved entirely by eliminating copyrights, literally just copyrights, not patents, not trademarks. Just copyrights. Once again government creates a suboptimal situation in the name of creating a better situation.

How good is pccables? Those prices seems a little cheap.

Copyright is not Infringement, if you've never read that book, you should. and it is freely available within Linux package managers. Haven't really checked in an online way through browser but it might be somewhere.

That is the nature of those greedy companies, the best is to terrent everything you like and save it for later...

At least the original Space Jam website is still up.

OH, so this is how civilization ends...

hahahaha lol, I’m going back to consuming and buying physical media 😂😂😂

there's a lot of web 1 sites that modern browsers simply won't load because they run no certs.

Archive should be on a global decentralized blockchain.

A lot of archives are being nearly completely destroyed by corporations. And everything else is borderline unusable due to payment processors having way too much power. Image hosting sites being the most affected So many old forum sites are completely deleted as well

Never forget the logic lawyers and corporate leaders use and the logic normal people use are very very different things from each other. In corporations any idea must go up the chain with each officer it passes lifting its leg and peeing on the idea. At least hampsterdance (sic) still (barely) lives in something resembling its old form. {o.o}

we live in a dystopia

Currently hosting for static sites is zero if your site is small

So its not on Google Takeout?

Pc cables will have me as a permanent customer for that website. Can we please go back to simple and functional? Lol

this whole thing kinda reminds me of the MGS2 ending conversation. It's already bad enough we have so much mis-\information on the internet. its only one short step down a long cliff if we the old information is removed, age still somewhat lends credibility to information, if the old and credible data is gone we are left with misconceptions and half truths filling the void.