Hell yeah ! Crux3 definitely a great quad. This is my all time favorite platform

Very much agree with you! I have been flying mainly whoops lately, with a side of 3" toothpicks and a DASH of 3.5" lol the whole micro platforms is very comfortable to fly - not dangerous, cheap(ish), quiet, and fun! Thanks for stopping by : )

LCC you absolutely gotta build one! They're so much fun. 2s is also a great option, too! I just love how simple 1s is

Same here man! Can truly bring them anywhere, have a great time and not risk bothering or hurting anyone. Thank you for the kind words!

Thanks Greggy

Thank you very much! Made my day : ) glad you enjoyed!

Thanks butterfly! I have been maybe a LITTLE TOO DEEP in these toothpicks lately LOL but I love the idea of having a small platform you can take anywhere and not bother anyone. And now walksnail allows for some decent footage! Thanks for the kind words 😊

@@MoeFPV I absolutely get it! And I think it's nice that you bring the passion and explanations to the whoop community🤩

@@butterflyfpv thanks again, butterfly : )

They can do so much! super efficient if you want to do some long range cruising and definitely has enough pop for some light freestyle, too. And just super convenient, quiet, and safe!

I love to hear it! I think you will have a blast with it. I have an analog babytooth built out with the x12 now and it preforms perfectly! Such a versatile platform. Make sure to update me on how your build turns out!

​@@MoeFPV I ended up building it out as a 1s toothpick, but quickly went to 2s with 1204 8000kv, GNB 520mah I get 4-5 minutes of lead foot throttle, around 7 if I'm just cruising and exploring a new area. Honestly I think 6500kv would have been better. I have a ton of footage of me flying it, I'll post some tonight hopefully.

@@sakfpv8444 Glad to hear - hope youre enjoying it

Thank you for the kind words! And I agree about 2s - if i could only fly 1 quad it would be a 2s 3". Much more all-around capability. 1s is especially good for convivence and quietness. Let me know how your build comes out!

Aythix! Thanks brother - completely agree, thats a major reason I love em so much. You can bring it anywhere you want and fly it around and no one will even know youre there let alone be bothered lol and DAMN 2019?? How did they fly back then? I wonder what year the babytooth was introduced by Kabob. I saw a pic of his first 'toothpick' and MAN it looked nuts lol

@MoeFPV the current babytooth with 13mm or 1202.5 since 2020. The old "toothpick" with the think 65mm props was 2019. I was running a og mob 7 fc with 1102 motors. That thing ripped for for a 1s of that time.

Thanks for sharing your build info! How do you find the GNB27 performs? I have a few on whoops but I always felt as though xt30 is the best connector as far as sag is concerned but interested to hear your opinion. I usually run 48khz but these flywoo ESCs sometimes do NOT like to be flashed so i avoided it all together this time around. I have a few pairs of Avias to try - maybe ill swap em out but the durability on those props seems a bit weaker than the gemfans and i crash A LOT lol Kabab is truly the GOAT - quickly becoming my absolute favorite platform. thanks again for the comment !

Love to hear it man ! Glad i could spread the good news of 1s ! I think youll love it and let me know when you build it !

​@@MoeFPVI built it this weekend! Sorta, haha upon installation a screw chipped a resistor on my walksnail 1s vtx 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ new one coming tomorrow but just ripping it LOS in my yard is still a blast. Had a lot more power than I thought it would.

DAMN! I hope you get it fixed ASAP. Stuff like that happens to me all the time . I recently tried to remove the heat shield from my 1s board... I forgot i already did it to that board so scaped up a bunch of components for nothing lol hope to hear of your flights soon! @@CocoaMelon99

@@MoeFPV Finally got it fixed up! Had the vtx come in then the bt2.0 connector went bad, had to replace that. I went with bt2.0 cuz I just took the flight controller from my tiny whoop and put it in this frame, plus I had a bunch of bt2.0 batteries and didn't make the switch. But all the characteristics you described in your build was true! Definitely feels floaty and you can't rely on your throttle, I don't think I'm missing out too much with bt2.0 😂 Learned a lot from this cuz this was my first build. The tune feels a little stiff, as I was going off kebabs tune I got a warning from betaflight saying it could cause runaways or burning out escs so I didn't wanna mess up my new build off the bat. Should that tune be fine or do you have a preset you recommend for betaflight 4.3?

Im glad you got it up and running! And youre right, i dont think youre losing much if anything from BT versus XT30. I was most concerned about BAT sag but the power delivery is probably no different. The flight characteristics take a bit to get used to but i think its a great experience and a good trainer! when you go on to 2s and above, youll find a better appreciation for that new power lol. What i did for a tune on this one was STEAL the crux3 1s ELRS PIDs from happy model. They should be on 4.3, as well. I would go to HappyModel website and grab the CLI and steal the tune from there ;) Let me know if you run into any trouble. I believe Bi direction D shot is enabled and so is dynamic idle so make sure your AIO can support that. But as a rule of thumb, just because the sliders warn you it may fly away doesnt always mean that tune will be detrimental to your setup. Just use caution when trying it for the first time and make sure youre checking to see if your motors are getting too hot!

And its a great flier!

I think it was a KZfaq video on the savagebee that really sparked my interest in the platform then I fell down the rabbit hole lol I absolutely love these toothpicks now

Sorry i missed this ! I think if i were to only have one quad for the rest of my life it would be a 2s 3" toothpick! 3s is definitely fun, too - crazy amounts of power! And yes that ph 2.0 needs to go! Thanks for stopping by

I built a tp3 that can run on both 2s and 3s depending on where I’m flying. I believe drainman fpv did a post on how to set up beta flight so the fc automatically switches settings depending on what size battery you plug in. SUPER slick setup

@@rilijn Nice! That would be really versatile.

Very cool - id like to try something like that@@rilijn

Absolutely! Love this platform

LOL you know it ;) and yes you can 100% do this setup on 2s with a lot more comfort and power. You can still use the 1s VTX or the new V3 VTX, but we would connect it directly to the 5v rail (preferably a 2A BEC) instead of VBAT. Obviously change the motors to around 6k instead but i think most pilots would enjoy this setup on 2s, to be honest. Let me know if you have any other questions!

Thanks, Gus! I dont think we'd see quite the same performance with an 03 unless youre able to strip it down. I think you could get some solid performance with a naked vista build, though! But for the MAGIC of 1s, it would have to be walksnail, HDZ, or good ol fashioned analog - at least, for now

Much Appreciated!

Thanks Squid!! I see you ripping yours around in your vids all the time! Ive been having a lot of fun with this platform, I actually need to relax - i think i built 4 of these in the past 2 months lmao and how did you mod it?! I got the V3 and I just permanently leave my ph 2.0 to Xt30s plugged in LOL i love it. And yeah man, even if you land right-side-up in grass thats a little too tall, you gotta walk for that baby lol So mine is 49g dry - I could probably get it down to 46ish with the lower weight props, no external ELRS antenna, and if I took that walksnail heatsink off. I usually dont like to go heavier than the GNB 530s if I'm trying to fly a bit more aggressive. For cruising around, though, ill use the 660's and get over 4 min no problem. Just gettin a BIT heavy

@@MoeFPV lmao we have the same ailment, I need to chill out on the toothpick builds too, just so addicting. I have a WhoopStor 2 and I just took it apart and soldered/epoxied some xt30 leads straight to the ph2 pads. honestly does the same thing as the adapters. Its been raining here nonstop and I haven't been able to fly in a while, hopefully I'll have time this weekend

@@mfsquid I like that idea - was it tough? I have the V2 and the V3 so maybe ill mess around with the V2 because WHO NEEDS that PH 2.0 lol and dude its been raining out here too in the northeast. This is the worst summer weather wise that I can remember dude so depressing

I am using the VRX here with two upgraded Lumineer Omnis and the stock patches. I do have breakup during these flights, just to be clear, but we're looking at the lossless onboard DVR. The 1s board should definitely get you around your house, though. All LHCP, right? I would say maybe update everything to the latest firmware as well. Hope that helps let me know

This is something to watch out for - you cannot avoid this on 1s. The 5v will not provide a constant 5v to power the vtx so we need to use vbat on 1s. XT30 seems to be the best choice for walksnail especially as it combats battery sag the most in my opinion. You just have to make sure you watch your battery when youre getting low

Thank you very much! Appreciate the words man. Are you motors directly soldered? Also, what battery connector are you using? How about the overall weight of the build? Finally, the props play a HUGE role in the punch here. Are you using the gemfan 3018s. let me know - interested in hearing back

@@MoeFPV Ya, direct soldered motors and XT30 batt connector and Gemfan 3018 props. AUW is 56.3g with 550mAh GNB. 42.5g dry. Maybe it's just that I'm a shit pilot and maybe it's not as bad as I remember... it has been a few weeks since I've flown it! LOL

Quickly becoming my favorite overall quad! Thanks for the words : ) you can find these XT30 batteries premade from RDQ and Pyrodrone for certain. I believe amazon carries the EMAX 450s with XT30 but you can absolutely make your own, as well. The XT30s are really easy to solder up compared to the other smaller connectors. Thanks for stopping by!

I don’t recommend using the 1103 11,000kv motors for a 3” prop 2s. You can essentially use everything else from your baseline and just plop it on a crux 3 or TP3 frame but you’ll need to buy different motors, unfortunately. Should be around 6500kv or a little higher if you want more power. Check out the full build guide at fpv cycle for motor details before you buy !

Thank you very much! Truly appreciated. So I am not 'all in' on any one system at the moment and dont really see myself ever being. Right now, Ill still use analog on everything from whoops to 5" mainly for the price, weight and reliability. HDZero is on a few whoops and faster 'racing' toothpicks for the low latency. I broke my nano 90 and 1w sadly : ( but that was truly a great freestyle combo and i will definitely be getting another. And walksnail I have on a few micros and one 5 inch. TBH I also want DJI 03 for my 3.5/4" drones lol that onboard 4k is a great incentive. I feel like truly there is a case for all the systems, at this point I am still flying the HDZero goggles with the avatar VRX on there. This performs more good enough for me, albiet its a little heavy having everything on my nose lol I had a friend who bought the avatar goggles and said he didnt feel much if any difference between the VRX on his HDZeros and the Avatars. That being said, im sure there must be a slight range advantage in being able to chose all 4 antennas thanks again for the words!

Yeah HDZero VTXs have poor reliability...I busted my Race V2 in a light crash, and that was in an ultralight 5" toothpick. The voltage regulator seems to be the common point of failure. Regarding the Avatar goggles, unfortunately there aren't many reviews out there comparing the experience to the VRX on different goggles, but Chris Rosser's latency tests show HDZero + VRX has about 10ms more latency than the Avatar goggles. I fly Skyzone 04x + VRX which is about another 10ms more than if I pair it with HDZero. I guess some people don't notice 10ms of latency but given you enjoyed the HDZero 90fps cam I'm sure you'd appreciate the lower latency Avatar goggles. 😉

Thank you much, Mc! I have two TP3s one on 2s and another on 3s and I agree the 3s is so difficult to get flying right. I ended up using a HEAVY battery on it, though, and it actually smoothed it out. Try something like a 660 or larger, if you still have it. I do not have experience flying these toothpicks on BT and A30 but I think it would be fine, especially on analog. That being said, I do think XT30 provides the least battery sag out of them all and if you're going HD, especially walksnail, I would want to keep my battery well above that blackout voltage of 3.2. I think this would also be true if you wanted to experiment with higher KV motors. Thanks again for the kind words, Mc! : )

I have only flown 6400kv on 2s - 11000kv sounds insane ! Have you flown something like that ? If going to 2s you MAY be best suited to the TP3 frame or the 3mm baby tooth frame. Although you can probably get away with the 2mm. I will say that 2s is probably the better choice for most pilots. 1s is unique in that it’s convenient, quiet and safe. I have an example of 2s 6400kv under my analog TP3 video you can find on my channel!

Thank you very much - so XT 30 is not as much of a requirement as is upgrading the connector from PH 2.0 to something else. I will say XT30 produces the least amount of battery sag for me, which is important for HD systems as the video will cutout if our voltage sags too low. That being said, you can get away BT 2.0 or A30 for sure if you’re building a light analog version. Also, I prefer bi blades on these 1s toothpicks for their low weight and flight characteristics - light triblades would probably work fine but we’ll definitely lose efficiency

@@MoeFPV thanks for reply, but for 2 - 3 inch on 2s do You recommend 3 blades or just stick with 2 blades and it’s enough?

@@smokehead5318 depends what you like - I don’t mind tri blades on my 85mm whoop but on any ‘ultra light’ build I usually will fly bi blades. I’m building a 2” toothpick right now that I plan on using bi blades on. I just enjoy them on all my smaller drones but you should Be able to swap to tri blades if you like them more without any major problems

@@MoeFPV Sure, make sense. Ok I am looking forward for that 2" build, 1s hopefully :D

@@smokehead5318 I’m conflicted about making it 1s or 2s to be honest ! A lot of my bills recently have just been using spare parts. I’ll make a video on it when I do though and go over the build for 1s and 2s though 😁

power density is up by 30% but 18650 is heavy. i get 7 min cruise of a 650 mah lhv, just get more batteries

LOL bro! I was legit going to mention the Miata during that part of the VID and I definitely did in a few of my draft recordings - it just didn't make the final cut 😅SLOW CAR FAST BABY!

Thanks Swan! Appreciate it brother - so I have done that to a happymodel x12 board for my first 2s TP3 build! You certainly can do it but it's a bit of a PITA. You can easily pry the plugs off then you're left with the pins. I found it was best to apply a bit of exta solder on each pin, turn the board sideways, apply heat from the side with the extra solder and pull the pin out from the other. That being said - I WILL NEVER BE DOING IT AGAIN lmao what you thinking of building?? 👀

@@MoeFPV Haha! yea I tried to remove one of them and gave up pretty quickly! I just finished rebuilding my phantom 25 with a naked vista, but its so hot out right now that the vista will def. melt if I try to fly it. I dunno, I've got a cheap set of analog box goggles in my cart right now , I think I just wanna fly 1s inside for fun this summer. LMK what you've built for inside stuff. thanks again bro!

@@fpvswan hell yeah Swan! Awesome to hear you getting into a few of the analog micros! Its funny - here in the northeast we use the indoor stuff in the winter and i guess out west you would want them for the summers lol Im thinking of getting a pair of the DJI goggles soon, myself. Gotta find a cheap pair of the old version 2 ones or whatever HMM for inside its gotta be a whoop so you dont chew up any of the furniture. Im more of an outdoor whooper, myself but i would definitely recommend a BNF - the mobula6 ELRS version with the 0702 motors 26k KV. they are hard to find, though. BetaFPV makes some decent BNFs, as well. The problem with most BNFs is that they come with underpowered motors if you were trying to do indoor freestyle. You could always get a BNF and upgrade the motors to 0802 or 0702s that are above 25k KV. Anything less and you might have a hard time catching yourself on different moves and the whoop will generally just not fly 'fun' Let me know if you want to talk more about it man, we can chat on discord or text or something!

@@MoeFPV hell yea dude, ty for the specs! I'm gonna do some research on my side and get something going. Yea, summer is brutal here, I flew 3 packs this morning at 5:30am and it was over 90 already 🥵🥵

Sorry for late reply - A capacitor would not strictly be needed for this 1s build but if you had any type of electrical interference in your video feed adding one might help

@@MoeFPV Ok, thank you very much for responding.

You can absolutely run it on 5v if you are using 2s - they call for a 2a BEC on the board but ive run it on 1 without issue

Thanks! I just finished the build!:) I am setting it up in beta flight now haha!

@@Zech3513 let me know how it turns out !

@@MoeFPV I just need some larger batteries haha. I am getting about two minutes of fast freestyle out of a Rasdayquads 2s 450mah battery. To test if it could handle a larger battery I loaded two on there and it still flew pretty nice So I ordered a couple larger batteries to see what would happen to my flight time. I went with the v3 nano kit and with the extra weight its a little slower but i hope its going to be more durable. overall I am really happy with it though! its my first walksnail build.

@@MoeFPV Inow plan on building a identical 2s with the nano v1 to see what the weight reduction is like with the 2s.

John - I havent flown walksnail as much as my other systems but i have had zero issues with durability. I dont crash too hard often, so i cant speak on concrete and other bando environments, but generally speaking , the boards and cam seem solid, moreso than HDZ in my experience. The MIPI cable connection on the board is fragile, though so be careful pulling on that thing! Also the UFL is always a week spot on the board. But if you soft mount it properly and protect it as much as feasible, i think youll have no issues

Hey Mike - if you are building a 3s the 5v pad will absolutely power the lite VTX. This is exactly what i did for my 4s crux35 build and it worked no problem and this was on a 1A BEC i believe. I know the lite system calls for a 2A and if you have that youll be golden but ive seen it work no problem on 1A BECs on the cheaper boards. I just think the 1s boards cannot deliver a constant current on such low voltage. I actually have a TP3 walksnail with the full V2 1200mw vtx running off VBAT! I just dont fly digital as much 😅 keep me updated and let me know if i understood your question correctly

@@MoeFPV Ah man, that makes so much sense, now that you mention it!! I didn't consider the 5v regulator being starved because it is running on 1s. I am running the older Jhemcu board, which has a 2.5a 5v rail, so it should be good. I was able to get this build put together at 106g with a 550mah 3s, so I am hoping it has the Tp3 feel that I love. I have told bob roogie several times that he ironed out one of the most balanced flying fpv machines ever conjured up, and imo it really helps if it's built within the 105g-110g weight spec. I have a second 1s lite setup, and was debating between converting one of my 1s babytooth builds, since yours (and a few others) look like they fly so well with the extra weight. I have found that you can get away with reny motor mounting screws as long as you use a little Welders glue on the motor bases to the frame. Saves a little weight out at the arms😎 Thank you for the reply dude!!

U got it up and running yet, Mike?? 👀👀

@@MoeFPV lol man I didn't see the reply! I was just jumping back here to refer to these comments to check something in our convo. I DID get it going! and now I am building a second one, because when something is as perfect as this, 2 is 1 and 1 is none lol. I love a good formula, and this definitely is!

HDZ with the VRX is very good - I only fly in the low latency mode, 25mbs and 720p, but with those settings it feels great. I had a buddy with the same HDZ + VRX combo who did buy the walksnail goggles to try and he said he could not notice any difference in latency but maybe a very slight range increase with aftermarket antennas. I'm assuming there is some additional latency with the VRX, but not enough to notice (maybe about an additional frame).The only downside of the VRX on the HDZ is that additional weight on the front of your face IMO LOL. But yeah man, i think the 1s board is avatars greatest strength currently - perfect for a 1s or 2s toothpick.

@@MoeFPV Thank you for the reply! I definitely do not discount the mass and volume added to the front of my goggles. I really never liked running a module. But I will try this out for sure. Thanks again!!

Hello ! for this build I am using the CRUX3 ELRS PIDs from Happy model, i believe. you can pull the diff right off their website! Although, you can probably get away with defaults and some minors bumps to the master and filters