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@jackscrivens9520
@jackscrivens9520 2 жыл бұрын
Once against Dr Strange's orange whip clone attack, once against Stormbreaker. This use against Tony would be the 3rd.
@MasterCleife
@MasterCleife 2 жыл бұрын
He also uses it right after he hits Quill, Nebula and Drax with a blast from the power stone. The theory being he wanted to take them out with the power stone but didn't want to go as far as killing them. The soul stone kept them alive. Asthe blast hits them it goes in slow motion and you can briefly see the Soul stone lit up as the camera switches back to Thanos.
@NeoConker626
@NeoConker626 2 жыл бұрын
@@MasterCleife ya know, it kinda irks me that he suddenly goes all anti murder to the point of flexing infinity stones to keep from even accidental casualties. Prior to this, he was a vicious warlord. Even with his "purpose," he would casually wipe out massive groups of people. He "decimated" Zandar for the Power Stone, and he went way too hard on Asgardians without a care. What I mean there is Hella and Surtr already wrecked Asgard and Thor had refugees with him. Thanos still halved them, and then halved again with the snap. He had promised Ronan to help with planet destruction, casually tortures his own adopted daughter and anyone else he pleases, murdered Heimdall just for teleporting a downed warrior off the ship, and generally doesn't come off as particularly moral. His 2014 self in Endgame gloated about plans to enjoy murdering Earth's people and in general shred the universe completely. But Infinity War Thanos didn't want to hurt anyone... Why lol
@MasterCleife
@MasterCleife 2 жыл бұрын
@@NeoConker626 as he gathered the stones he became near omnipotent. That's why he sheds his armour when he puts on the space stone. He still wants to wipe out half of life but he figures that he doesn't really need to decide to kill anyone, the stones can decide who lives and dies. The way he's fighting is like a parent holding a tantruming child at arms length to stop them from hitting them. This is what annoys me when people ask why 2014 Thanos was more dangerous in Endgame. I always say, no he wasn't, he lost, 2018 Thanos won.
@NeoConker626
@NeoConker626 2 жыл бұрын
@@MasterCleife my (joking) answer about 2014 is that Infinity War Thanos basically multiclassed into a more magic based class. Basically joking and applying taletop rpg logic. 2014 Thanos is a high level fighter with powerful unique and possibly enchanted fighter equipment. Infinity War Thanos has incredibly powerful magical artifacts but he's level 1 in that class and has gotten rid of his standard armor and weapon. If the heroes take advantage of his inexperience with the energy abilities, then he's finding himself nerfed in close combat due to only hand to hand options and almost no protective armor. Plus there was this semi pacifistic attitude we are discussing that kicked in around that time. 2014 Thanos was at his peak for that time of his life and fight like a berserk barbarian. This is the guy who casualled the Hulk, so of course he was a monster in a straight up melee fight. You ever play a game and get a new ability, and keep trying to use it to test your new thing even if it's not strategically the best? Thanos on Titan was super focused on clenching his fist and the heroes used a strategy of hit and run tactics plus hax to prevent that. I'm Endgame there was a direct blitz attempt with a lot of close blows and grapples.
@Psiberzerker
@Psiberzerker 2 жыл бұрын
@@NeoConker626 The way I saw it, he "Flexed" the Stones as he got them to practice his newfound abilities. Thanos isn't just gifted, and talented, e's also got centuries of training and experience. So, he would keep training, and gaining new experience as he has the opportunity. The more he uses his weapons, the better he is at using them. (Also, it's a cool way for the writers to show us in the audience what he's capable of now.)
@nicknasser713
@nicknasser713 2 жыл бұрын
I just rewatched the scene where the red skull explains the sacrifices to Thanos. He does say specifically that the "To ensure that whoever poses it understands it's power, the stone demands a sacrifice... In order to take the stone you must lose that which you love" It's true he doesn't specify that means taking it from Vormir but it made me realize that Banner/ Hulk did love and lose Natasha. Tony Start was an admitted Narcissist who loved himself. He sacrificed himself in wielding the stones. It does say that the stone demands a sacrifice, so if someone were to take the stone from someone else after it has already left Vormir then It's not unreasonable to think the stone will get it's sacrifice one way or another. Like a curse maybe the person that had taken the store would lose what they love in one way or another. Banner seemed to really love having control over the Hulks body, he's never been shown pleasant in the MCU until that point. Maybe he gets cursed from the soul stone and that leads to the proposed would war hulk story line idk.
@FireStarShadow
@FireStarShadow 2 жыл бұрын
I believe the soul stone does have the ability to pier into other people's souls and whoever weilds will gain the knowledge of every single soul that exists at the time and and tell everything about them and any personal connections they could have.
@IsaacHarvison-mt5xt
@IsaacHarvison-mt5xt 11 ай бұрын
It can can more than that it can resurrect the dead and create souls has power of death
@anubusx
@anubusx 2 жыл бұрын
Wish we saw Thanos use each one to their fullest of their power.
@I-speak-U-shut-it
@I-speak-U-shut-it 2 жыл бұрын
GIVE ME DAMN RENT
@thejworks07
@thejworks07 2 жыл бұрын
Disney isn't capable
@I-speak-U-shut-it
@I-speak-U-shut-it 2 жыл бұрын
@@thejworks07 Exactly lol
@fireball303
@fireball303 2 жыл бұрын
Something called plot armor. If Disney wanted them all to die and thanos win in less than 20 minutes then they would’ve had him use them to their full power. But I doubt anyone wants to see Ironman and cap get reduced to a skeleton in a single punch
@shrek3926
@shrek3926 2 жыл бұрын
@@fireball303 wrong. If he used them for their full power they’d destroy the gauntlet hence why the only time he used full power is when he snapped. He didn’t want to kill them so that’s why he wasn’t using full power
@jameslynn9913
@jameslynn9913 2 жыл бұрын
This could explain the inquisitive look Thanose gave Captin America when they met in Wakanda as Steve was preventing Thanos from using the stones, just before getting Bug squashed into the dirt.
@SuperGoose42
@SuperGoose42 2 жыл бұрын
I always thought he was surprised by Cap's sheer force of will to hold him back and actually succeeding, for being just an ordinary looking human. T'Challa has essentially the same powers as Steve (and better gear) but went down easy. Steve didn't.
@jameslynn9913
@jameslynn9913 2 жыл бұрын
@@SuperGoose42 I think with the soul stone it would be more about what’s inside Steve he was worthy of Thor’s hammer, with the soul stone it was brought to Thanos’s attention probably explains the shear force Thanos used to (possibly) kill Steve at that moment instead of throwing him away he did with black panther or rest of the Avengers.
@SuperGoose42
@SuperGoose42 2 жыл бұрын
@@jameslynn9913 I'm just not convinced he used the soul stone in that moment. Pretend Thanos didn't have the stone at all and watch this scene again. Every other avenger doesn't even touch Thanos, but Cap got up after being knocked down once already, got a couple hits in, and even held the titan's hand back. No other ordinary human came close to that level of determination and will, so it makes sense Thanos would look at him curiously/impressed, almost in the same way he respects Stark and his force of will
@IsaacHarvison-mt5xt
@IsaacHarvison-mt5xt 11 ай бұрын
​@@jameslynn9913depends on each stone users the mind stone is obvious are aware of it's itself it was causing the avengers fight amongst each other like it has other motives of its own in Ultron
@nicknasser713
@nicknasser713 2 жыл бұрын
Just do a whole series on the stones. A video for each one, and a video on stones being used in combination including the infinity gauntlet. Go over everything we've seen in the MCU and what their potential powers could be in the MCU since there is more known about their comic counterparts. Definitely would be great for you to do this because no one goes into the level of detail based on Canon universal logic.
@excancerpoik
@excancerpoik 2 жыл бұрын
i would love that
@silverlion1269
@silverlion1269 2 жыл бұрын
My guess that the stones objective is to unify/to be in one place. The tesseract teleported the mind stone, the tesseract also gave the soul stone a new guard allowing people to know how to gain it allowing people to actually get the soul stone
@datboiYTF
@datboiYTF 2 жыл бұрын
2nd vid of the day...I guess the grind never stops keep up the good work
@demonwolf1722
@demonwolf1722 2 жыл бұрын
I love that Thanos was able to be kicked around and hurt, I am glad that he could not just walk through them (I liked that they showed it in Infinity war as he approached Vision and Wanda)
@HTMN161
@HTMN161 2 жыл бұрын
Wanda and vision didn’t even touch him
@ianday5604
@ianday5604 2 жыл бұрын
If the Infinity stones are accessible by means if time travel moving across different universes, doesn't that kinda rule out the idea that Dr Strange needed the stones destroyed so that "No One could use them". Infinity Ultron being a prime example, if he can make use of his set of infinity stones in other universes (no matter how contrived the excuses why), then he could show up in the reality of the Films and lack of Infinity Stones in that Universe would leave them as defenseless as the Ancient one had said they'd be.
@redstoneraptor8101
@redstoneraptor8101 2 жыл бұрын
The writers confirmed that Infinity Ultron wasn’t truly using the power of the infinity stones in other universes. The stones allowed him to project himself into other universes and enhance his own capabilities that he already had as Ultron (which definitely makes him a formidable threat in any universe), but it does seem the writers intended to maintain that what Infinity Stones can actually do outside of their own universe is extremely limited.
@brianhogg358
@brianhogg358 2 жыл бұрын
@@redstoneraptor8101 Yeah, except that Ultron was able to blow up entire galaxies with the stones in the other universe. And he was able to use the time stone, as was Strange.
@ianday5604
@ianday5604 2 жыл бұрын
@@redstoneraptor8101 Just cause the artist created a creative cop out rather than admit the stones don't work the same as in the comics doesn't negate my point. Being able to use Infinity stones from another Universe at all still leaves the movie Timeline vulnerable while leaving plenty of Stone that can, By whatever reasoning, be used to harm the "Main" timeline. This makes Destroying the Infinity Stones a move that: 1) Does not protect your reality from the stones, 2) Invites extra dimensional threats to strike at the vulnerable universe.
@ammoposada4427
@ammoposada4427 2 жыл бұрын
Infinity Ultron had to gather the 6 stones from gamoras universe too.
@encognitusmaximus7598
@encognitusmaximus7598 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if being in Vormir, Red Skull lost his soul or it was absorbed by the stone and made him the wraith version of himself. It's interesting to note as well that when Red Skull used the Space Stone in Capt America that; 1. It took him to Vormir to the Soul Stone. 2. The Space Stone didn't go with him. Any other times we've seen it uses the wielder goes with. The Red Skull was sent and the tesseract was left behind. He didn't toss it down, it fell when he was transported.
@PatJWilliams
@PatJWilliams 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe the vessel the spacel stone was in ,the Tesseract distorted or limited it power
@sparkymist
@sparkymist 2 жыл бұрын
@@PatJWilliams it went with Loki when he used it in Endgame
@PatJWilliams
@PatJWilliams 2 жыл бұрын
@@sparkymist Loki can use magic red skull was a basic human with no real understanding of what he was dealing with
@KeyserTheRedBeard
@KeyserTheRedBeard 2 жыл бұрын
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@cjperry2731
@cjperry2731 2 жыл бұрын
I just wanna see what happens when the Scarlett Witch has the power of the Reality stone.. Lol, dayum..
@cjperry2731
@cjperry2731 2 жыл бұрын
@@BabySniff yeah, the origin of her powers is sort of a gripe I have, I guess.. Reality stone would make much more sense.. They should have had Thor take Loki's scepter and have the Mind stone infect Jane somehow, and let the Reality stone be what Hydra used to do experiments on the Maximoffs.. idk..
@cjperry2731
@cjperry2731 2 жыл бұрын
@@BabySniff sounds legit to me lol.. better than the Scarlett Witch getting her powers from the Mind stone instead of Reality stone..
@eddiethompson717
@eddiethompson717 2 жыл бұрын
Good theory, but I think his comment was metaphorically. After Stark thwarted Loki's attack on New York, I sure Ebony Mah did his research on Stark. Metaphorically, because Thanos was a mirror, though horribly cracked, of Stark. They both sought..."PEACE OF OUR TIME".
@maskedman523
@maskedman523 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder how much consciousness the stones have when all 6 of the infinity stones are together inside of the infinity gauntlet or when 2 or more are in a close proximity to each other
@mrnozchalazt7199
@mrnozchalazt7199 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting, I literally just rewatched both movies the other day on my day off and never payed any attention in how it was used. Just another reason to rewatch it
@amvcentral9198
@amvcentral9198 2 жыл бұрын
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@lerneanlion
@lerneanlion 2 жыл бұрын
If Asgard is not destroyed but Odin has already passed away, does Thanos and his army will have the guts to invade? After all, Thor and his people who are warriors are no jokes if they are in their domain.
@jspaceemperor420
@jspaceemperor420 4 ай бұрын
The Soul Stone should have been the Center Gem of the Gauntlet
@randolphwh9551
@randolphwh9551 2 жыл бұрын
That's a fact tony is not only a genius n displays amazing battle skills n knkwdfle and planning skills but also leadership and collabrotibe skills hes thanosos Osama bkn ladin way to smart n powerful to be left alive
@randolphwh9551
@randolphwh9551 2 жыл бұрын
Same with superman lex Luther he is the smartest in the room maybe the planet n uses it against u n he seen that his knowledge makes him dangerous sentient I think it fires on its on not on command
@javis999
@javis999 2 жыл бұрын
Do you feel each stone should have a condition needed to be met in order to obtain it like the soul stone?
@vangxiong1382
@vangxiong1382 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like all the stones had a condition to be met to obtain them. And that the other stones had already been obtained in a time before. Like maybe the sorcerer who had the Time stone did something or gave something in order to get it.
@Colin-xv3bc
@Colin-xv3bc 2 жыл бұрын
Just like Wanda uses the power of the mind stone, maybe heimdol(I think that’s his name, the supervisor of Asgard’s teleportation tech) has the power of the soul stone, therefore the soul stone gives the ability to see souls, and maybe even control their survival.
@bigjake360t
@bigjake360t 2 жыл бұрын
What does the Soul Stone even do. It is not worth killing a loved one over.
@NeoConker626
@NeoConker626 2 жыл бұрын
In the movies we didn't see it do much, but the comics do give a better answer. It's not as overtly powerful as some of the others but it is "alive" and has a universe inside it. It lets the user trap souls inside and use their knowledge and abilities. You can "read" a soul, kind of like an alternative to mind reading. It protects you from soul attacks, so no one else can remove or burn your soul (should be able to tank Ghost Rider's penance stare for example). You can reveal a soul's true nature, so that's why many assume he used it to get through Dr Strange's illusion of multiple bodies. And in general it can give control over life and lifeforce. So it doesn't do anything flashy, but it's arguably one of the most integral stones in the snap.
@garrettord3304
@garrettord3304 2 жыл бұрын
Seems like Thanos may have seen a vision of his own defeat at Tony's hands, either through the Soul stone or the Time stone, or a combination of the two. The connection people have to the Soul Stone may simply not be bound by time.
@chrisstowe3448
@chrisstowe3448 2 жыл бұрын
I think he would have killed Tony if that was the case tho
@rosbyduhart5884
@rosbyduhart5884 2 жыл бұрын
So we are speaking about the MCU. In the comics Adam Warlock used the Sould stone in a diffrent way.
@angelomordini6779
@angelomordini6779 2 жыл бұрын
He also used the soul stone when fighting doctor strange 6:43 to pull him out of his astral forms back into his body
@dirtytube
@dirtytube 2 жыл бұрын
Or more likely, Thanos was simply giving Strange (just a few meters away - easily visible by Thanos to see he was stirring awake) a chance to give up the time stone to save Stark. Essentially like threatening to kill Thor to get Loki to give up the space stone. He didn't hear Strange tell Stark about protecting the time stone at all costs. He knew they were both human, both fighting on the same side, and that usually humans do not do well with sacrificing others (see Cap and Vision).
@TalmidMichael
@TalmidMichael 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if that is why Thanos had such a confused look when he faced Capt
@ramblinwreck24
@ramblinwreck24 2 жыл бұрын
Has anyone else wondered what happened to the timeline that Endgame Thanos came from because with the past version dead, what happens in that timeline??
@nathanblackwell4597
@nathanblackwell4597 2 жыл бұрын
Thanos could’ve just made it impossible for anyone to have more than 2 kids. That way the number of people either stays the same or decreases.
@chrisclarke4665
@chrisclarke4665 2 жыл бұрын
If James Gunn wasn't semi-cancelled, Guardians 3 probably would have been released before Infinity War with Adam Warlock carrying the soul stone.
@louiswebtser
@louiswebtser 2 жыл бұрын
He said he didn’t have any plans to use Adam Warlock before infinity War
@chrisclarke4665
@chrisclarke4665 2 жыл бұрын
@@louiswebtser Then why was his cacoon outright teased in the first 2 movies. Guardians 2's post credit scene has him outright namedropped as Adam Warlock.
@stevenfriedman2902
@stevenfriedman2902 2 жыл бұрын
@@chrisclarke4665 James Gunn still is planning to have Adam Warlock in the third movie as far as I know. I don't think his "cancellation" really affected the release date of the third installment and was always supposed to take place after Infinity War
@williamgreen6866
@williamgreen6866 2 жыл бұрын
The soul stone is the essence to all life in existence. This is why Thanos use the words “cursed with knowledge.” Remember, red skull knew who the tears of thanos were for without thanos saying anything. The real reason why the soul stone is not explain because to speak about the majesty of life is not comprehendible to us. I will this is understandable 😀. I will give more explanation if needed 😊.
@aagwill
@aagwill 2 жыл бұрын
one thing once the soul stone was given to thanos red skull was now freed
@smackalious3977
@smackalious3977 2 жыл бұрын
Thanos could just use the time stone to look into the future.
@AbrandedKyng
@AbrandedKyng 2 жыл бұрын
I think it just gives knowledge about past and future users..
@wrongserver
@wrongserver 2 жыл бұрын
All the stones were used all together 3 times in both Infinity War and Endgame
@elainemarie8725
@elainemarie8725 2 жыл бұрын
Can he know from just watching evil nebulas recordings he watched on his ship before he came to earth for endgame battle? I’m dumb so I don’t know very much…
@pop2522
@pop2522 2 жыл бұрын
To piggy back off of the lack of regard for the other key avengers at 4:05 and Thanos simply calling Strange "wizard". I think Thanos already had extrensive knowledge of certain predecessors so it was merely a next in line to him and probably viewed them as weaker versions of the previous master. So ancient one to Strange, Odin to Thor etc. All already familiar skill sets. Even new heavy hitters like scrarlet witch, vision, captain marvel etc all got their powers from stones so again already familiar. Thanos was most intrigued by two avengers Cap and Stark bc they represent humankind the most out of any of the avengers. Both were the first in their line as far as a type of super hero. They also did not derive their powers from the stones so Thanos was less familiar. We witnessed the changing of the guard from Cap representing the best that humankind had to offer to then being Tony throughout all movies leading up to IW. These were the wild cards to Thanos and was shown by Caps interaction at Wakanda by holding his hand back which mildly caught Thanos' attention compared to Stark. Obviously Tony was a bigger threat to Thanos than boots to the ground Captain America as this video goes on to explain. Just wanted to offer this added perspective to it all. Really interesting topic, awesome video.
@randombullshit
@randombullshit 2 жыл бұрын
Soul Stone totally changed Thanos. Only after obtaining it did we see any type of regret from him. The look he gives Tony after stabbing him, the fact that the only thing he killed in Wakanda was an android, the convo with “Gamora” that was probably the Stone itself, the whincing after the snap and his decision to reduce the stones to atoms. The real villain in the MCU was the Mind Stone and the only thing that knew this was the Soul Stone. That’s why it hid itself and why the Space Stone sent Red Skull to Vormir. Remember that Ultron was actually the consciousness of the Mind Stone that found an exit through technology and was trying to reintegrate itself through the Vision construct. MS was in love with Wanda. As Ultron, it wanted to know her pain, didn’t want her to die on Sokovia and Vision had a connection to the MS that caused him to love Wanda, as well. I’m thinking the future of the MCU is gonna revolve around the Stones being reborn because I always wondered why they changed the colors around. Power= purple (who’s a big powerful purple guy?) Soul=gold (ummmm Adam Warlock?) Reality=red (Wanda wasn’t manipulating reality before Endgame) As for the others….let’s see
@bigdexmedia5233
@bigdexmedia5233 2 жыл бұрын
I do not know the full potential of the Soul Stone but I ado believe that the Soul Stone does contain knowledge that it feeds to users who seek it out and use it. The Soul Stone could’ve been used to teach Thanos about everything involving Tony Stark and his undying willingness to protect everything he loves and defeat the enemies he encounters. Tony Stark is like Thanos but is also willing to stop Thanos under any circumstances.
@TheSqoou
@TheSqoou 2 жыл бұрын
I know how Thanos knew Tony. Want to collab?
@johnnilsson8199
@johnnilsson8199 2 жыл бұрын
in the thumbnail i thought it was kratos and atreus
@thomassmith349
@thomassmith349 2 жыл бұрын
This would explain the interaction between Thanos and Captain America in wakanda ! Thanos stopped momentarily not by Steves strength but by the sheer power of his soul !
@joehopkins6724
@joehopkins6724 2 жыл бұрын
The true meaning of a paradox if the Avengers went back in time and got the stones and defeated thaos in earlier timeline he would have never have been able to have the snap to get rid of everybody and if they killed him then he would have never existed now
@knuckle12356
@knuckle12356 2 жыл бұрын
Problem is you are basing your assumption on "back to the future" style time travel; which consists of a single timeline, where actions taken in the past affect the timeline; altering the future. The WHOLE POINT of the MCU time travel is that each change creates a branch, resulting is the infinite different realities or "multiverse" style time travel. Remember the convo the avengers had about how someone going to the past means that the future, which from their frame of reference is their own past experiences, cannot be altered in the past as those "future" events are already memories to the traveler, memories of events that already transpired for the traveler. Making a change in the past results in a branch. This creates a new timeline. It does not alter a single, prime reality.
@joehopkins6724
@joehopkins6724 2 жыл бұрын
@@knuckle12356 no, if it is indeed the same timeline, any changes would happen in the same timeline, no fan of back to the future, Doctor who yes , only way it wouldn't affect is if its a totally different timeline, therefore the snap wouldn't have happened at all ....
@joehopkins6724
@joehopkins6724 2 жыл бұрын
The Russo Brothers said that the time Stones had to be replaced in their proper spot to avoid a separate timeline but yet they killed a thanos from another timeline in our timeline think about it,and if so thanos couldn't use the stones from a alternate universe!
@joehopkins6724
@joehopkins6724 2 жыл бұрын
Every verse in the Multiverse has there own stones and only someone from that verse can use them stones it's been said in the MCU
@knuckle12356
@knuckle12356 2 жыл бұрын
@@joehopkins6724 I'm having trouble taking tracking your assertion, as it seems that the terms timeline and universe are being interchanged to a degree. Ultimately, I'm not effectively expressing the faults I'm finding with your argument. But I think, larger than this particular conundrum, is that the MCU isn't putting but a fraction of time and energy into all these fan theories and universe mechanics as we all are. If an issue arises we tend to get a half-assed "if you look at it this way, and consider the ___, you'll see that in fact....." lots of fixing things in hindsight with a creative conversation (aka; Hollywood BULLSHIT 😉.) They feel like patches, not clarifications. In a universe where Ant-man is super strong due to his mass being retained in such a small volume, yet the characters can still pick up a miniaturized building and tank, which should also retain their full sized masses, I feel that any of their after-the-fact explanations should be taken with a huge grain of salt. Imma take one last stab at presenting my counterpoint. When Thanos (the one from the past who travels to the present) time travels, that choice creates a split. Thanos, in traveling and changing his future from what we "knew," becomes Thanos². Thanos¹ never time traveled, he collected stones, did the snap. Thanos, in following Nebula (becoming Thanos²,) created a different verse. Your paradox, as I understand it, is that killing Thanos², who is the earlier version of Thanos¹, undoes all the events Thanos¹ would eventually cause. What im saying is the moment Thanos¹ travels through time, becoming Thanos², the causal relationship dissolves. Because with multiple universes being birthed at every point of choice, both paths, both choices, exist simulatenously. Thanos chose to time travel, (events of endgame,) but he ALSO chose to not time travel (events of IW.) The Thanos who never runs into good Nebula and stays Thanos¹, causes the events of IW, and inspires the Avengers¹ to instigate their time heist. When they return from the past with stones in tow, they would be returning to a time where Thanos¹ has already done all his IW dirt, retired to his gardening, then killed. Thanos² comes in, from the past, looking to shortcut the efforts leading up to IW (learned from good Neb's memories.) But THIS Thanos, T², is not responsible for the snap. He hasn't collected the stones, snapped out 1/2 erryone, any of that. He skipped all that in favor of jumping to the end.. To get your paradox, the avengers would have to take out Thanos¹, at a point in time before he did the snap. (Again, Banner explains that they can't change the past this way, ala BTtF style time travel - whether or not you are a fan is irrelevant...every avenger experienced the snap, 5 years in their past. Traveling back in time from that point makes all events, their actions taken in their pasts, means that those new events in the Past are their immediate future, relative to them. And the events from the Future, yet to happen to the denizens of the Past, are memories for those displaced avengers, it is their past. And they can't change their past, even if it is the future for the ppl of the Past line. Changes to the Past cause splits going forward, it doesn't rewrite those upcoming events.) Killing Thanos² doesn't undo anything; he didn't cause any of the events of IW. That was Thanos¹. As for replacing the stones, they were to be replaced at the same time as removal so as to avoid further splits to those timelines. Hopefully this is more clear. Cheers.
@kiezersosay49
@kiezersosay49 2 жыл бұрын
If he knew that much about tony then he wouldn't have been willing to keep him alive when he bargained with strange...
@Winter-mn8mb
@Winter-mn8mb 2 жыл бұрын
Yes! thank you!! If he knew Tony wouldn't quit and that he'd continue to fight and turn it around after he bargained with Strange, and obtained the stone why did he not say You're to much of a liability to allow to live and either kill him or since he had nearly all the stones send Tony into a reality where he couldn't interfere or somehow change back.
@deyvibrum7282
@deyvibrum7282 2 жыл бұрын
​@@Winter-mn8mb I think the stone gave him a simple knowledge about Stark soul and his will power, but not his future. Thanos felt threatened because of it, but not saw the extension of the threat. Thanos, as Nebula said in Endgame, is not a liar, so when he made a deal with Strange, he kept it.
@gmarmol5573
@gmarmol5573 2 жыл бұрын
I think the stone he gave Loki taught him. Hints why he gave Loki the stone. Like the movie paycheck
@albino5995
@albino5995 2 жыл бұрын
I still think the soul stone is put where it is because of Odin as I think he used the space stone to make the bifrost and the soul stone to give Himedal his powers. His eyes even glow the same colour!
@jacobcampos2407
@jacobcampos2407 2 жыл бұрын
It’s sad that the og thanos couldn’t see his whole plan just get undone with the same snap of the finger. And he did it for nothing and died
@iam.thuglife
@iam.thuglife 9 ай бұрын
D.O.P.E. video..!!!!
@AlzheimersCaretaker
@AlzheimersCaretaker 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe Marvel left the soul stone so mysterious because it'll have a role in the future. Possibly connected to Adam warlock in some way
@MageryGuy
@MageryGuy 2 жыл бұрын
>.> Was this page written by One Mind Syndicate? Dude sounds like he's reading a wiki page.
@spedc
@spedc 2 жыл бұрын
Personally, I think Thanos learned everything he could about Tony after he was the only human that was able to stop the New York invasion. Thanos was pissed and he knew they would confront each other again. Thanos wanted to know as much about Tony as he could.
@logandelaharpe6362
@logandelaharpe6362 2 жыл бұрын
Heimdall
@joehopkins6724
@joehopkins6724 2 жыл бұрын
The second Thanos shouldn't have been able to use the stones from this verse because he was from a different verse in the Multiverse he shouldn't have been able to use the stones because they didn't belong to his verse
@stephandelange1776
@stephandelange1776 2 жыл бұрын
Well, he made a deal with Dr. Strange, that if he spared Tony's life, he would give him the Time stone. And he responded (No Tricks?) And Strange gave him the stone. I don't think, in the mind and all-inflated ego of this all-powerful Titan, that he truly saw Tony Stark as a great threat to his plans. So he kept his end of the bargain. PLUS, Nebula said, that Thanos is many things, but a liar isn't one of em. Maybe it's not truly the stone, but just feeling no threat by Stark. Just my opinion! But maybe you're right!..
@aerow6192
@aerow6192 2 жыл бұрын
Tbh Thanos is a man of his word. I don't think he took the deal because he saw Tony as a non threat.
@stephandelange1776
@stephandelange1776 2 жыл бұрын
@@aerow6192 What I meant was, with the time stone in his hands, he already had 5 of the 6 infinity stones and he knew that the mind stone was on earth. So to Thanos, his plans were coming to an end within maybe days, hours or even less. So that's why he really didn't see Tony Stark as a threat to his plans. SO, He held his end of the bargain. Well, that's my opinion!
@knuckle12356
@knuckle12356 2 жыл бұрын
@@stephandelange1776 but I think what Aerow was saying is that regardless of what motivation caused Thanos to accept the deal, once it was made, thanos was going to keep his side of the bargain, as he is a man of his word. I believe Aerow's assertion is that even if Thanos determined that Tony would be the single greatest threat to the success of his grand design, once the bargain was struck & his word given, his personal code of honor/morality would not have allowed him to go back on his promise.
@springyboi
@springyboi 2 жыл бұрын
Crazy to think showing 2 clips of the soul stone being used would last 9 minutes
@NobleDezGaming
@NobleDezGaming 2 жыл бұрын
Yea, its almost like he wasn't explaining the theory.
@springyboi
@springyboi 2 жыл бұрын
@@NobleDezGaming kinda knew that bro, just wanted to make a joke about that title and video length not really matching (other than that marvel theory at the and) surely you get what I’m trying to say
@NobleDezGaming
@NobleDezGaming 2 жыл бұрын
@@springyboi sorry, I didn’t comprehend it as a joke. I’d say paraphrasing the title might make it more apparent; like “The ONLY 2 times thanks used the soul stone for 9 minutes” or something like that lol
@springyboi
@springyboi 2 жыл бұрын
@@NobleDezGaming all good lol, earlier I never noticed that last part in the title while typing that first comment anyway so kinda my fault
@knuckle12356
@knuckle12356 2 жыл бұрын
Gentlemen, gentlemen, please... could we drop the understanding conversation where you respectfully seek to understand one another's POV, & get back to making vicious personal attacks toward any-&everyone whose viewpoint differs from one's own..? I'm uncomfortable with changes to the status quo. 😆 p.s. 1 last thing for springyboi; this forum is NOT the place to take personal responsibility. It's their fault, not yours, nmw. [/s] FR tho, I love it when I come across civil discourse here on YT.
@jonathandimaapi9582
@jonathandimaapi9582 2 жыл бұрын
Marvel theory...,theory, theory.,
@evaristoaguirre2544
@evaristoaguirre2544 2 жыл бұрын
What if there is no Watcher what if we are the Watcher 🤯😱
@CultureHealers
@CultureHealers 2 жыл бұрын
This whole theory ignores the fact that Thanos also possessed the Mind Stone! If he is cursed with knowledge, it's not merely an understanding of the inner Stark but all of him
@summertyme5748
@summertyme5748 2 жыл бұрын
Soul stone is the least understood. Esp, now that What If essentially completely rubbished it in the last two episodes. -> It is the essence of spiritual existence. -> It juxtaposes the power stone - which is physical (matter and energy) -> Think of the expression body and soul - where body is physical or corporeal and soul is not. Why is this important? Because the soul stone is the only stone about which no one knows 'where' it is - because it doesn't physically exist. [where is heaven/or hell, how do you reach it?] In order for soul to exist as a physical entity - a stone - you have to sacrifice a soul that you love to achieve a higher spiritual state. Thanos achieves this by sacrificing Gamora. Banner sacrifices Natasha. [don't confuse sacrifice for kill - Christian God sacrifices his son Jesus - but it's the Roman's who killed him - they are just murderer's in the story] Tony sacrifices himself. All of this is within the film, in the dialogue, in the visual imagery. Dialog: Red Skull explains that soul is unique because the stone has the wisdom to 'ensure that whoever is given the stone comprehends its power'. Visuals: When Thanos and Clint get the stone they *do not pick it up* out of the pool. It is placed in their hands. The stone isn't being dug out of the bottom of the pool. lol. It comes into physical existence because of the sacrifice. When Tony dawns the Gauntlet he does not fight or struggle with it - futile. Even with the armor he is just a mortal man. He *gives himself* to it. This is the key to how Nat and then Tony unlocked the riddle of the soul stone. They sacrificed their own souls to it, for the sake of everyone else. Yet we have What if: Where a death bot and a terrorist (Killmonger) end up wielding the freaking stone. Why? Cause the writers didn't understand the material and or didn't care as it just got in the way of the story they wanted to tell which was - remake Infinity War, replace Thanos with Ultron.
@deyvibrum7282
@deyvibrum7282 2 жыл бұрын
Well, about the souls stone thing, we can try to force why Ultron and Killmonger could wield the soul stone: Killmonger had already sacrificed people that he cared about, from his both sides (as an America and Wakanda citizen) to achieve his goals, and Ultron sacrificed a lot of and were motivated to sacrifice all forms of living existences, to achieve his goal of provide his definition of true peace to the universe. To wield the stone the user needs to comprehend its power, Killmonger, as Tony and Banner, gained the comprehension through sacrifice. Ultron could have understand cause of the same reason, as I theorized before, but he also could comprehend it cause he is the ultimate AI, who also wielded the mind stone, so he could instantly process the necessary knowledge to comprehend its power. But again, as almost every MCU fan theory, I'm forcing a lot and the creators most definively did not thought about it.
@nokturn882
@nokturn882 2 жыл бұрын
I honestly think you’re thinking too hard in this. Thanos knows Tony because Tony was the one who put a nuke into his ship and ended the invasion of New York. Knowing thanos, he would do what he can to know more about Tony. Not saying the souls stone don’t have a role in it but Tony himself never came into contact with the soul stone. So how would it know who Tony is. The other thing is that, the thanos that collected the stones was not the blood thirsty person. Noticed that he didn’t kill any of the avengers when he arrived on earth? He could have easily killed them if he wanted to.
@deyvibrum7282
@deyvibrum7282 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, probably they didn't thought that much, I agree, but the Thanos before getting the Soul Stone was definively more merciless. He killed those asgardians for no reason
@brianhogg358
@brianhogg358 2 жыл бұрын
So the theory is that either Thanos used it to know who Tony was, or if he already knew, it was to know him better? I mean, younger Thanos in Endgame already knows who The Avengers are, so you're necessarily saying that Thanos used it to get more knowledge of Stark, which doesn't really impact a single frame of the movie? Also, are you just republishing two-year old content?
@aaronjoseph8996
@aaronjoseph8996 2 жыл бұрын
No. He killed Loki cause Loki tried to kill him with that dagger on the Asgardian ship.
@charissogod
@charissogod 2 жыл бұрын
No it’s cuz he had mine stone
@CEDROU95
@CEDROU95 2 жыл бұрын
Love the infinity stone theories, mcu tho they fucked up in the What if show. How did Ultron use them in all the multiverse? Who knows makes no sense.
@chuckmount5873
@chuckmount5873 2 жыл бұрын
I just assumed Thanos knew Tony because of the battle of New York. The soul stone might also be part of it, if that's how it works. If that's the case, maybe that's why he paused before knocking out cap. He obviously used the soul stone against Stormbreaker. He also used it for the "snap" and to destroy itself.
@jonq.public5892
@jonq.public5892 2 жыл бұрын
Nah, that's really reaching hard on this theory.
@covagotnextgaming
@covagotnextgaming 2 жыл бұрын
Sheeesh
@Nico_Peeko
@Nico_Peeko 2 жыл бұрын
Hey man, love the videos, but I just wanted to note something. You tend to repeat yourself quite a bit by saying something and then rephrasing it, almost reminiscent of a high schooler trying to stretch out an essay. Regardless, enjoying the content.
@mrsnippay7637
@mrsnippay7637 2 жыл бұрын
Bruh we already know the stones ain’t shit compared to the tv a ahahah
@NasonJPR
@NasonJPR 2 жыл бұрын
Endgame was such a bad movie. Especially compared to the amazing Infinity War. If you hadn't watched a good chunk of the 21 movies before all the fan service moments won't land and the emotional beats are flat. Yes, the snap was bad but undoing it was so much worse. You now don't have enough food for literally double the population so a whole lot of people are going to starve. Which if you know anything about people means riots, wars and just more death. They may have caused as many deaths as Thanos all things considered. And the time travel was awful. UGH. But the worst thing is it could have been great. You had an all powerful Infinity Gauntlet to work with at the start of the film. They literally could have done anything
@brienna8272
@brienna8272 2 жыл бұрын
I'm so early!!
@matelepur1499
@matelepur1499 2 жыл бұрын
Each stone servers its purpose in the snap Power stone: To give power to execute such a massive task Reality stone: to destroy the body Mind stone: to erase the mind Soul stone:To destroy the soul Time stone: so it all happens in the same time Space stone: to get everywhere around the universe Side note: Thanos could have used the reality stone to give alter the reality to have all the stones.
@re_quix4507
@re_quix4507 2 жыл бұрын
first
@brienna8272
@brienna8272 2 жыл бұрын
Great job!!
@Agent_X.
@Agent_X. Жыл бұрын
Clickbait
@JustAnotherBlader
@JustAnotherBlader 2 жыл бұрын
Dumb theory. Stop reaching so hard. The filmmakers gave their reason and it’s not this.
@IsaacHarvison-mt5xt
@IsaacHarvison-mt5xt 11 ай бұрын
Secretly the time stone the strongest and main true and scary power is to chose the the outcome of future events dr strange used it it depends on each users of the stones 🤣🤣
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