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@kaidorade1317
@kaidorade1317 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting! I’ve never actually thought that attachment was both Anakin’s fall AND Vader’s redemption!
@Retz094
@Retz094 2 жыл бұрын
Anakin being separated from his mother/her dying was a major contributor in his search for attachment
@GrouchyRaccoon
@GrouchyRaccoon 2 жыл бұрын
Arguably the two greatest Jedi of all time came to the same conclusion. Both Luke and Revan realised that love was a form of compassion and actually benefitted the light.
@melissakrauss1266
@melissakrauss1266 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with Luke Skywalker's suggestion about marriage, acknowledging love and other attachments. Sometimes being with somebody that you love can give you strength. Hiding love and other attachments makes people feel ashamed, doubting themselves, and more vulnerable to the dark side. Jedi's should also study the dark side, under other teachers as well. Shouldn't people know what they are fighting against? Make them more protected and less vulnerable?
@JackIntoGaming4721
@JackIntoGaming4721 2 жыл бұрын
You aren't wrong there; Though the danger to that is getting folks like the Grand Inquisitor who try to go too far with that knowledge. As the one guy from Jurassic Park once said. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. (Something to that degree.). Knowing about it and how to see it and even defend against it. Yes, but learning how to wield gets a bit iffy. Cause even in legends doesn't a skywalker fall to the darkside?
@Ryukikon
@Ryukikon 2 жыл бұрын
😂🤣😆
@mikecole9676
@mikecole9676 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. The Jedi basically needed an equivalent of a “defense against the dark arts” course in their training as Padawans.
@arciere9986
@arciere9986 2 жыл бұрын
The early Jedi were slaves to their own hypocrisy and fell victim to the fear of letting their pupils fall to the dark side by letting them study it, unknowingly planting a seed to the dark side
@arciere9986
@arciere9986 2 жыл бұрын
@@JackIntoGaming4721 Kyle katarn pretty much believed that if you can you should because he believed in his morality, his ability to choose to do better, I believe study of the dark side and teaching of the difference between dark and light users is nessesary for a Jedi to become their best
@GafftheHorse
@GafftheHorse 2 жыл бұрын
That's not the conclusion I saw in the movies. Anakin was impatient and hasty, he was gifted and everything came easy to him except advancement in the order, and this frustrated him. This is clear from the opening scenes of Attack of the Clones right up to his appointment to the Jedi Council by Sidious. Palpatine played into this by suggesting to him that the Jedi were holding him back and that they didn't trust him.
@AngelicusEXperiment
@AngelicusEXperiment 2 жыл бұрын
Regarding how Luke's revelation here seems to be at odds with how he treats Grogu in BOBF, I'm going to posit a notion that the ideas are not incompatible. I don't think he was against the idea of attachment in general, I think he was just concerned about Grogu specifically. "A short time for you is a lifetime for everyone else." I think he saw the potential accumulation of grief that could form for Grogu, and what it might do to him over the course of centuries. He saw the potential danger, as well. I've said before, and I'll say it again: grief and power are a dangerous combination.
@karenhauth7639
@karenhauth7639 2 жыл бұрын
I agree. And now I feel terrible for Grogu!
@birthrite8254
@birthrite8254 2 жыл бұрын
It is likely Luke still hasn't figured out how to handle the attachment issue. He seems very unsure of himself in BoBF. He made a mistake with Grogu and will hopefully learn from it.
@monsieurcommissaire1628
@monsieurcommissaire1628 2 жыл бұрын
You make an excellent point. I agree completely. It makes Yoda's teachings about attachments more understandable, considering that the same huge lifespan differential applied to him. It would be wrenching, indeed, for one of Yoda's species to form deep attachments to the many who had much shorter lifespans.
@Imylover
@Imylover 2 жыл бұрын
A perfect summery of how I have always regarded Luke's approach in his own Jedi Order. Even long before we got the whole forbidden attachment rule from the Prequels I always saw Luke's encouragement of attachments, love & friendship as the best mean for any Jedi & Force user to stay in the Light. That Luke had learned from his father's mistakes, but also final triumph. Luke also never hid the fact that he was "Vader's son", he implemented it into his teaching, using his father's tragedy as a perfect example of why you should not turn to the Dark Side. I also always respected the fact no Jedi should ignore the Dark Side altogether. Know your enemy, as they say. How can any Jedi resist the Dark Side & fight the Sith if you have no idea what it is & what it's/they are capable of? Once the Prequels came along it made even more sense, especially that Luke had learned what went so wrong via his father & uses that to inspire a better future, using that knowledge. Knowledge is power, even of dangerous stuff. And with the old attachment rule included, the bottom line is that the Dark Side can be a threat to you regardless if you have attachments or not. Because the Jedi all had attachments anyway, to each other! The loyalty to the Order alone is an attachment. And the bond that is between Padawan & Master makes the attachment rule so hypocritical. Even Obi, who follows the old code by the book, regarded Anakin as his brother, that is a hell of an attachment. The old Jedi Order basically stuck their heads into the sand as far as anything Dark Side goes. "If I look the other way & close my eyes it will go away." Sorry, but not even in space fantasy does reality work that way. The Dark Side & all its willing users will always be there & be a problem, a temptation, regardless if you have a girlfriend or 2 kids on a farm somewhere or you love to hang out with your best pal etc. What I learned from Luke in the EU is that avoiding what is dark & evil is not the answer, it does not make it go away. Including the darkness you might have within. The trick is to face it, with wisdom, knowledge & courage. And also preferably not alone but as a team. Why be just one light in the dark when you can bring many more with you? In Luke's Academy they were a team. People had a private life yet everyone knew each other & was always there if someone had a problem, regardless how big or small. It's far easier to fight the Dark Side if you have friends that help you, not judge you, to deal with it. And in the end, I see it as that a Jedi is truly tested if he/she absolutely have a family, friends, relatives etc & the Dark Side tests said Jedi & he/she remains in the Light! That the love & friendship this Jedi has in his/her life is what gives the strength & motivation to refuse the Dark. Not all succeeded, that will never happen. The Dark Side do claim individuals. But Luke always knew this, being tempted himself + remembering what happened to his father. So he taught everyone to read the signs, to be familiar with the Dark Side, hence they could help students & fellow Jedi that was at risk a lot sooner. Luke had also learned from what he went through during the OT that as a team you are far stronger against any foe. And, very true, there was no way Luke was gonna give up all relation with his sister Leia now that they had been reunited, or with Han or Chewie or Lando etc. There's no way Luke would have continued with the attachment rule. And since he learned from what happened to his father that this rule was a main reason so much went wrong & combined it with his own life's experiences he knew it was far more for a Jedi to gain with attachments than what the Jedi would risk. Yes, his own attachments lead him to Cloud City to face Vader long before he was ready. But it was the attachment that his friends had for him that saved him that same day. And it's a matter of opinion but Luke became the man & Jedi that he is by learning of his father the hard way, which ironically made him grow an attachment to his father just because of it. The trick is to not loose the control. Which is a lot easier said than done, but not even in Luke's Order is the Jedi way easy by any means. But what happened to Anakin Skywalker would simply not happen in Luke's Order. There had been no shame in loving someone or hide it, on the contrary it would be encouraged. Just be honest about it. Also, Anakin was always pushed to the side, never fully included, only accepted by few & not all, always regarded as a problem. Anakin never felt he was one of the Jedi fully, he was never fully accepted or trusted. Naturally he developed negative feelings for them in return. At Luke's Academy there is no exclusion. Once a student is ready for a next step nothing is denied. Yoda felt Anakin's pain, sorrow & anger when he lost his mother & killed the Tuskens but no one ever confronted Anakin about it. Luke would not let such a thing slide. Even if talking about terrible things is hard & difficult it is still necessary. Because Luke never wants any Jedi under his watch to feel left behind or excluded. You get help & support regardless if you want it or not. Not all wanted help & they usually ended up badly. But then that choice was far more on the individual. Luke believes in honesty & the truth, no matter what it is. Hiding facts & truth can at times serve a cause but also cause problems, such as he learned himself with Obi-Wan's certain point of view thing. In Luke's Order, no matter how you choose, you will always know what all your options are. Compassion, understanding, knowledge, courage & wisdom is the way. Anakin Skywalker turned to the Dark Side because he had a problem he felt he couldn't get help with from those that should have helped him, & the Dark Side offered him incorrectly what he believed to be the only alternative. In Luke's Order some still fall but never because they feel they can't ask for help.
@mohammadidris5774
@mohammadidris5774 2 жыл бұрын
The Jedi Order was ignoring their own advise. They feared attachment. And as Yoda himself said, fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate and hate leads to suffering.
@skipgiblets
@skipgiblets 2 жыл бұрын
A favorite quote of mine is "living things grow, growing things change". I think Luke realized this spot on and made good changes to the Jedi order.
@177SCmaro
@177SCmaro 2 жыл бұрын
In the novel, Yoda reflected on the fact that he, himself, had not allowed the Jedi order to change, to evolve (as the Sith had) and this included denying attachment, love, and marriage. That he had kept and trained the Jedi in the same manner than he had been trained hundreds of years ago. Although it wasn't explicit, this is what lead to Anakin's fall - the Jedi's ridged refusal to accept change. As is true in nature, inability to adapt leads to death.
@jsbcody
@jsbcody 2 жыл бұрын
It did lead to the Jedi Order becoming stagnant and steeped dogmatic responses. To deny something such as emotions and feelings is to eventually give it power over you, the greater the denial, the greater the power. Hate for example, a little hate can be controlled, experienced and understood, allowing it to dissipate. A lot of hate just leads to more hate and more hate, kind of like drinking salt water never quenches your thirst and resulting in drinking even more salt water in an attempt to quench your growing thirst.
@TeenWithACarrotIDK
@TeenWithACarrotIDK 2 жыл бұрын
Why care for life when it’s hard for you to even feel empathy? In legends and canon, the Jedi’s fear of attachment held back their very purpose: to be peace keepers. The showed with the outer rim and with anyone’s who was related to the kids being brought into the Jedi order. Brothers never seeing sisters ever again. Parents having to trust the Jedi’s teachings to make a great future for their kids. No hell being received from those who are supposed to protect you. The flaw with the Jedi is a lack of emotion, making them uncaring and sometimes selfish, and the siths flaw was the use of too much passion, which made them become selfish at times, and lack control. In both, life is often lost because of their flaws. Some say the dark side is an attraction, but the same thing can be said about the light. Both play a tug of war, so if one can balance them out within themselves, they can become truly in control.
@SevenPr1me
@SevenPr1me 2 жыл бұрын
Jedi order were also taking kids away from their families. They did this because they wanted to be in control they did that because they feared the sith returning so much that they wanted to have a monopoly on force users. This is what made them hypocrites. They were driven by fear and control like the sith but trying to be Jedi, which is a contradiction
@jmwilliamsart
@jmwilliamsart Жыл бұрын
@@TeenWithACarrotIDK I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said, and I’m glad that the New Jedi Order is different from the previous one.
@jmwilliamsart
@jmwilliamsart Жыл бұрын
Exactly, the Jedi played a huge part in Anakin’s fall with their dogmatic ways, and their refusal to help or trust him. I wonder why Yoda didn’t allow the Order to change? The way that Yoda was trained was a difficult time, and times change but unfortunately the Jedi didn’t and the Sith did.
@akihikosakurai4013
@akihikosakurai4013 2 жыл бұрын
If Jedi have attachments it would likely prevent them from turning to the dark side because if they did they'd lose everything including their family. If they have no attachments then they have nothing to lose and everything to gain by turning to the dark side
@chadflanaganCFC
@chadflanaganCFC 2 жыл бұрын
One of the biggest things lost in legends was Kyle katern as his own view mirrored what Palpatine said to Anakin in revenge of the sith,while simultaneously showing that one can learn both sides of the force and remain cemented in the light(the one time notwithstanding)
@hectorchachyjimenez8818
@hectorchachyjimenez8818 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with much of luck’s change’s. Family can pull you out of negative behavior. And Anakin would’ve never gone down that pass had they given him some time. And actually listened to what he was saying.
@RextheRebel
@RextheRebel 2 жыл бұрын
Remember what Obi Wan said about Anakin, he's not loyal to ideas or things, he's loyal to people.
@WonderfulHayden
@WonderfulHayden 2 жыл бұрын
There is a crucial difference that underlies why the relationship with Padme led to Anakin's downfall, but the relationship with Luke redeemed Vader. Anakin's relationship with Padme included love, but was also heavily laced with fear of loss and attachment issues stemming from leaving his mother as a child and then having her die while he was away. Palpatine preyed on this fear and used it to incite a great deal of anger within Anakin over the Jedi's complacency to save Padme from her supposed imminent death. By the time Vader found out about Luke, he didn't have that fear of loss anymore because he had already lost everything that ever mattered to him--his wife, his unborn children, Obi-Wan, the Jedi Order. He was a shell of a man--a powerful shell when it comes to combat, but at the end of the day still a brute enforcer who had to answer to Palpatine's' every beck and call. This was never what Anakin as a child and a slave ever imagined or ever wanted for himself, to be free and a hero only to return to slavery as an adult. Vader's relationship with Luke by the time of ROTJ consisted almost entirely of love. That kind of love between parent and child coupled with Luke's nonjudgmental nature, Luke about to die before his eyes, and the years of abuse at the hands of Palpatine was what finally got through to Vader.
@ejrodriguez2656
@ejrodriguez2656 2 жыл бұрын
I believe Luke's approach was the correct one. Having attachments like a spouse and children will do more good as well as replenish the Jedi in number.
@jordanelza8806
@jordanelza8806 2 жыл бұрын
The Jedi Code was meant to keep them on the path of the light at all costs. This was the right idea, but it was flawed, and so was the code of the Sith. There cannot be one without the other. No light without dark. The Grey Jedi had the best understanding of how to wield the Force properly: they use both light and dark side abilities when necessary and mostly still stay on the path. Like the Bendu in Rebels hints, There is only the Force. So in a way, both the Codes of the Jedi and the Sith are somewhat correct. 5:03 I love Kyle Katarn, because of his belief about Force Abilities.
@jasonglessner1932
@jasonglessner1932 2 жыл бұрын
Anakin had absolutely no support system for his marriage with Padme. Although, Obi-Wan would of helped him ...if he just asked.
@kingshadow8782
@kingshadow8782 2 жыл бұрын
Anakin turned to the Darkside in order to save Padme.
@hugoq4335
@hugoq4335 2 жыл бұрын
Darth Sidious seduced him with the idea the dark side "could" save beings from death.
@sacredcosmicsun8217
@sacredcosmicsun8217 2 жыл бұрын
Mission Failed we'll get them next time
@ironman44320
@ironman44320 2 жыл бұрын
I agree, and i would also add that Luke's study of rebuilding the Jedi order concluded that it seemed only natural and more fruitful for Jedi to have children to potentially rebuild the order, and ensure there would be future generations by having offspring, as he and Leia had done, rather than searching the vast galaxy searching for force sensitives
@strattubes
@strattubes 2 жыл бұрын
5:00 Always nice to see ol' Kyle Katarn get some love.
@eds1942
@eds1942 2 жыл бұрын
During the Anakin and Yoda counseling session in RotS, Yoda isn’t necessarily critical of Anakin’s attachment to Padme. But, rather about how zealously Anakin guarded it. To paraphrase: Yoda: “Careful Anakin. Attachments lead to jealousy. Fear not for their loss.” Anakin: “I won’t allow anything happened to her.” Anakin had tried to keep it a secret, as if it something yo be ashamed of. And he only opened up about it because of his fear of loosing that attachment. He wasn’t ready for that. He was unwilling to let go. He would do anything to keep it. It’s that last part that’s problematic. The Ends Justify the Means ideology is a slippery slop down a dark path. How far are you willing to go, what lines are you willing to cross, laws to break, to achieve your goal? And we know that other Jedi had relationships but were unmarred by the Darkside. Obi-Wan is perhaps the best example in canon with his relationship with Satine. Jedi like Yoda were traditionalists, bond by dogma. Yet while he seems dead set against idea of attachments as in committed relationships, thematically and contextually, that is not an absolute. Unofficially, Yoda was willing to over look allowances for personal lives so long as it didn’t affect their judgement and their duty. Officially, he strongly discouraged. After learning of Anakin’s relationship from Anakin himself and his concerns about his loved one’s life, he did not rebuke Anakin for that, or tell him to end their relationship or punish him for it. Yoda rebuked the negative emotions of jealousy and the fear of loss. He then attempted to consul him to be willing to accept their loss, not to think of it as their end, they will be at peace if you can do that. Normally, this is good advice, but Anakin needed intervention and more counseling with someone that he could trust enough to be open with, rather than a few sentences. Anakin took all of this as an no. He knew that there was a grey area which he took advantage of. But in his mind, he increasingly saw It as a taboo.
@calich33sehead
@calich33sehead 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like if there was one reason why Anakin turned, it was because he felt like he had nowhere else to turn after betraying Mace Windu. He couldn’t turn Darth Sidious in to the council without having his marriage exposed, and even if he tried Sidious could just kill him.
@jordanlml
@jordanlml 2 жыл бұрын
It’s nuts that the Jedi discouraged love, since love is the opposite of hate and so obviously a powerful energy tied to the light side. Luke was correct and it was ONLY love that pierced the dark side, felled the empire and saved the Jedi order
@ketamineheadyoda2248
@ketamineheadyoda2248 2 жыл бұрын
the opposite of love is indifference not hatred. With love and hate you still had interest in that person. With indifference not so much.
@AOE2Lord
@AOE2Lord 2 жыл бұрын
I can only imagine the problem of failed relationships when one or both parties have Force abilities!
@monsieurcommissaire1628
@monsieurcommissaire1628 2 жыл бұрын
@@AOE2Lord- Yikes! Hadn't thought about that. But the makeup sex...
@thesenate_4273
@thesenate_4273 2 жыл бұрын
I think Luke’s teachings are great and show how he has learnt from the Jedi’s mistakes however they contradict this in the sequel trilogy by making Luke a living breathing hermit crab.
@EvilXero359
@EvilXero359 2 жыл бұрын
What would make Anakin and Luke really badass looking in the thumbnail would be where they're brandishing Ichimonji styled lightsabers
@ralfhtg1056
@ralfhtg1056 Жыл бұрын
Luke learned from the mistakes of the previous generations and made the right conclusions. And thus he did the right thing to not repeat the dogmatic mistakes of the old Jedi order.
@marktorch9079
@marktorch9079 2 жыл бұрын
He should of been Padawan to Mace Windu that also feels the pull of the Dark Side but was not only able to defeat it but use it to become stronger.
@InfiniteNaos
@InfiniteNaos 2 жыл бұрын
Both Legends and disney’s canon do show some similarities with Luke wanting to combine teachings of the Jedi and the Sith, but a variation that can meld together and not repel each other. Instead of the Light or the Dark he was making the Grey, the middle, and the Bendu. Adding the passions of the dark, but not hate, anger, and aggression. Love, respect, and attachment which can help aid either light or dark to their better potentials. Similarly how Luke found Jocasta Nu’s knowledge archive of both the Light and the Dark in disney’s canon. I do enjoy the statement from one of Luke’s masters that force powers aren’t light or dark, but how they’re used and to what purpose they’re use for. To aid their own desires, to help others that’re in need, or to spread the will of the Force.
@garwolv11
@garwolv11 2 жыл бұрын
I also agree with Luke. A Jedi should learn both sides in order for The Force’s Will to guide them.
@Maverick1986afw
@Maverick1986afw 2 жыл бұрын
What about when Luke was training Grogu? He made him pick between being a Jedi and his attachments to Mando. If he encouraged attachments then why did he give the same ultimatum?
@SolarinDay
@SolarinDay 2 жыл бұрын
He might not have reached that conclusion yet
@michelesilva9491
@michelesilva9491 2 жыл бұрын
I wondered this myself. Asoka brought it up to Mando saying the attachment was basically no good for grogo. Then Luke made him choose. I fear that Disney isn’t going to let Luke go in the direction that he went in the legends books when it comes to attachment and marriage. In the sequels they didn’t have Luke marry or have kids. I think Disney is gonna stick with the old rules which is a big mistake. The Jedi order lost its way and had to fall to be reborn. Luke brought it back the way it should be. Now Disney is gonna change that and make the new Jedi order as blind and foolish as the old. Then what was the point of the fall? This is the problem with Disney, they don’t understand the source material. I hope I’m wrong, I hope that as the person above said Luke just hasn’t come to the conclusion yet. But there was a reason he had never married or had kids in the sequels and I think that tells us the sad truth of where Disney is headed on this topic.
@PanKosiu
@PanKosiu 2 жыл бұрын
He might not concluded that YET, or - he felt that both Grogu and Din's destinies are connected and the the test (by choice) was not for Luke to make sure, but for Grogu.
@SolarinDay
@SolarinDay 2 жыл бұрын
@@michelesilva9491 agreed, I recently rewatched the sequel trilogy, last jedi was a mess that tried to tear down everything that came before. And the fans rejected it outright. They tried to fix it in rise of Skywalker, but that damage was done.
@michelesilva9491
@michelesilva9491 2 жыл бұрын
@@SolarinDay God help us they made it worse in rise of the skywalker. So much worse. To have a force ghost be able to use physical objects complete ruins the story. Cause now there’s no need for any of it, Obi-wan or yoda could of taken out any advisory long ago. No need for new struggling hero’s like Luke or later Rey. It’s so stupid. And the force can’t rise the dead. If it could palpatine wouldn’t be working so hard for yrs to find a way to live through clones and shit. And Anakin wouldn’t of needed to fear loosing padme. They can’t just have the force do anything. There must be limits. If it can do what ever you need it to when ever you need it to then there’s no story, there’s no problems there’s nothing, you know. I wish I was articulate enough to explain this better but honestly every time I think of it I get so flustered that STUPID is about all I can say. They just ruined everything. And that’s just 2 of the many, many, many issues I had with epi. 7,8,9. I think I counted once n came close to 30 issues, plot holes, things that made no sense, things that couldn’t possibly be, things there was no reason to have. I mean it’s so so bad that I just don’t understand how so many ppl over there at Disney signed off on the damn thing, 🤦‍♀️. And these are professionals, omg
@jacocoetzee6429
@jacocoetzee6429 2 жыл бұрын
Here is a theory worth looking into seeing that Vader / Anakin in the end did sorta kill the emperor perhaps the force knew that Anakin as a jedi alone could not bring balance hence forcing him down the dark path in order get him close enough to finish the deed also if Anakin did not suffer from his attachments perhaps when he turned dark he would have let the emperor kill Luke instead of saving his own son the force itself is unity and balance dark and light one can not exist without the other
@MinamotoKyoshiro
@MinamotoKyoshiro 2 жыл бұрын
I'd have to agree with Luke's assessment of his father's fall. In legends Revan essentially came to the same conclusion only for the jedi council to deem his views as taboo. They even leveraged his marriage to Bastilla to essentially silence him. It's ironic that the ridgid nature of the order is what brought about their destruction on multiple occasions. The idea that things such as love, attachments, and knowledge being forbbiden has been the biggest factor in countless falls; it shows how blinded the order was. The most successful jedi turn sith, fell out of nesscity rather than choice. They are also the same ones who end up being redeemed in the end. For such a old and storied order to never take any of the past events into account and make the changes to prevent it is both philosophically and practically unreasonable. They created their destroyers, and never truly learned from it. It took Luke to do what they wouldn't to even rebuild the order into something that was more practical to fix the mistakes of the old order.
@davidsmith7962
@davidsmith7962 2 жыл бұрын
Love is a strong feeling. It’s the love of God & family that can bring us through the darkest times of our lives
@oddmanout8692
@oddmanout8692 2 жыл бұрын
Also I liked Luke's EU Jedi Order better. He was smart with seeing past mistakes and making changes that kept with Jedi morals.
@dianesinger9729
@dianesinger9729 2 жыл бұрын
I think Luke was right attachment. I agree about what Luke said about Anakin. I think the changes Luke made to the code makes sense and very wise
@chefgrigs
@chefgrigs 2 жыл бұрын
Luke is best grandmaster. That’s what I always hated about the original Jedi order they focused on only being good instead of being balanced, as all things are even the force. If the force was only meant to be “good “ there would be no dark side. Embracing only the good is no different than the sith only embracing the dark. Yes family death of honor love death of duty however love and family are what give us duty and honor. Shout out to the parents of the Community
@9thhokagegoku671
@9thhokagegoku671 2 жыл бұрын
Anakin might have the saddest story ever . It was like his fall was destiny nothing coukd of prevented it
@klaudiagrob
@klaudiagrob 2 жыл бұрын
Anakin could have been like Ashoka. Resigned from the Order. Of course their rules were absurd. He did commit a lot of evil when he became a Sith but that was his own choice.
@jeremybrummel3254
@jeremybrummel3254 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with his changes, and it saddens me Disney never brought this into the new canon.
@Kabayoth
@Kabayoth 2 жыл бұрын
Let's use a parenting analogy: I often tell new parents or spouses marrying into a family to be the parent they wanted for themselves. Barring resources, it's easy to imagine and easy to sustain. You'll never have the kid you're prepared for so there's no reason to invent a father dissimilar from the man you are. Anakin fell because his hopes were systematically dashed. Jedi talk a big line about hope, but they deny themselves all they can. It's the usual monastic byline. But suppose Anakin was taught to be a good man by Lars and Shimi. And he dreamed to become a Jedi. And instead of a fearful, resented boy, Obi-Wan trained a promising young man. It's what happened with Luke, and he turned out fine. Given what we know of Palpatine, he was chosen to be a selfish bastard from the start. His toxic relationship with his parents groomed him for evil both by nature and how he was nurtured.
@jaredt2590
@jaredt2590 Ай бұрын
Anakin turned to the darkside in episode II when he wipes out the Tusken village. This is how palpatine was able to recruit him, he was trying to get Luke to make the same mistake and kill out of hate and anger and open himself to him but he wasn’t able to.
@Gammaburst1298
@Gammaburst1298 2 жыл бұрын
To every star that shines, there is light, to every planet within that star system, there is shadow. Both exist, and both shouldn’t be ignored. There is a balance that should be seen though, as if your too close to the star, you’ll burn, and if you’re too far away, you’ll freeze. I think it’s best to say the original council claimed to have balance, but actually had extreme bias against the dark.
@jeremyk.6456
@jeremyk.6456 Жыл бұрын
This meshes with Luke in legends allowing and encouraging balanced attachments but with this why did Disney decide to make Luke have Grogu choose between being a Jedi Padawan or Mandalorian Foundling with Grogu being unable to choose both. I think if they would’ve went down this line of thought for those episodes of The Mandalorian.
@eds1942
@eds1942 2 жыл бұрын
Considering lifespans, it’s not hard to see why Yoda might hold a different view on ‘attachments’ than would a human.
@jlyvren89
@jlyvren89 2 жыл бұрын
Attachments are a double-edged sword, as it can make you powerful in the LightSide when protecting those you love. However, it can also lead one to the DarkSide when one is betrayed and/or love one's perish and are unable to handle such loss & betrayal. 🤔
@zachall101
@zachall101 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting way to see it… and I agree with it really as it makes perfect sense
@kboot658
@kboot658 2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad this was finally brought up. I know it's already been proven to not be the case but I always felt that Luke was actually the chosen one and that bringing balance to the force was understanding that there's nothing inherently dark. Thus the understanding that you can love and still be light or to use of "dark force powers" doesn't automatically make you sith. I mean if you even look back at the old early beliefs and jedi teachings, force heal is ""technically""a dark side power Because it would fall in the realm of manipulating the natural world. I always felt that the balance came in the form of, understanding.
@CoachCraigKenneth
@CoachCraigKenneth 2 жыл бұрын
Here’s the thing… Anakin having a strong bond with his mother for 9 years should actually make him MORE secure than the other Jedi (not less). People who are taken away from their parents at birth or a young age often have EXTREME trauma. And many, if not most have Borderline Personality Disorder. And often do self harm and struggle considerably with anxiety, depression and other mental health issues…. So I do not agree at all with the theory that Anakin struggled more with it because of this. However, I do think losing his mother in his arms triggered a psychotic break. I have a feeling he dissociated from the Trauma and kind of created Darth Vader (which I only really saw after the new scene in Obi Wan) It was more clear after he said “I killed him” which alters often say they have done…
@solomodo5124
@solomodo5124 2 жыл бұрын
Let’s be honest him leaving at 8 was alone traumatizing for him to look back on.
@staroceans8677
@staroceans8677 Жыл бұрын
Well said, and something that should have been adopted when Qui Gon and Dooku were participating. It's unfortunate that many were so irrefutably traditional and closed off that they refused to see the need to change, evolve, expand and permit essentials.
@BRooster-w9j
@BRooster-w9j 2 жыл бұрын
But deep down, it was fear that made anakin fall. If he wasn't afraid of being expelled from the order, he would have said something about him losing padmė. I'm sure the jedi council would rather make an exception for the chosen one, instead of potentially losing him to the darkside.
@KcutcheyXD449
@KcutcheyXD449 2 жыл бұрын
It contradicts when he deals with grogu though unless that took place before episode 6 because he was trying to be against it with him and his attachment to mando
@abi19gotez
@abi19gotez Жыл бұрын
I feel that, much like most authorities, in our world today, the jedi order only had knowledge of emotion, on what they had observed from behavior yet had not discovered the true purpose of emotions, nor how to manage them in equilibrium.
@abi19gotez
@abi19gotez Жыл бұрын
However, in this theme there is more than attachment itself, because Anakin`s attachment to Palpatine, on the other hand, is what seduced him to the darkside. If Anakin had learned how to understand himself, and like Qui Gon Gin had to stress to Obi Wan, even as an advanced padawan, to be mindful of his own thoughts. Not teaching Anakin this notion, to the point, to where it was internalized, was his Master`s true failure.
@imtr0yy
@imtr0yy 2 жыл бұрын
I also understand why they would forbid it being that if you were to lose a love one you’d probably go into a rage
@TheCrow2483
@TheCrow2483 2 жыл бұрын
My fave twin Jedi in Legends are Rayf and Jem they both complimented each other's strengths and weaknesses and their ability in the force was astounding even to Luke
@SteveCowlishaw
@SteveCowlishaw 2 жыл бұрын
Children weren't against the rules, there was a master on the council who had a wife and kids. Also Anakin was 10 in TPM! But yeah it makes sense, the Jedi were stuck in the past, however they were also a little hypocritical at times, and I'm fairly certain they all withheld techniques and abilities that could've benefited the Jedi during the purge or something, I dunno. Plus Mace Windu supposedly used darkside abilities right?
@kly8105
@kly8105 2 жыл бұрын
I "love" the fact that the Jedi before Luke and Kyle were basically so zealous that if even someone were to just use force lightning to power a generator to save lives, they would still be held on trial or banished, it's horrible but as a plot for a novel that is centered around dogma and morality etc, its a great plot device.
@andy2200
@andy2200 2 жыл бұрын
As a person who finds psychology interesting, I am liking the Star Wars analogy
@ryanfitzsimmons2426
@ryanfitzsimmons2426 2 жыл бұрын
Has anyone noticed 20th century architecture looks like from star Wars bar skyscrapers of course: ittingvtables chairs kitchen tables lights
@frankwilliams3036
@frankwilliams3036 2 жыл бұрын
Luke was correct. To cut a being off from what is his/her essential nature, to fall in love, and procreate is torturous to the very nature of said being. Luke was also correct in trying to increase the number of force users as long as those children are brought up in the light. He was correct in the no use of the force is inherently dark or light, but the intent behind using it is what's important. In that way I tend to agree more with the grey Jedi, which one could argue that Luke possible was, at least before his Jedi temple was destroyed (I actually don't like this storyline. There is no reason why Luke could not have been successful and the same events couldn't have happen just with Luke's Jedi playing a role in defeating the First Order).
@Angliscwer93
@Angliscwer93 Жыл бұрын
EU Luke is best Luke, EU New Jedi Order is best New Jedi Order. Hands down. No contest. Though I will admit, I do like how some new canon lore outside of the movies is pointing to the idea of balance between Light and Dark rather than a strict dichotomy between the searing blindness of Light and the sightless void of Dark. And ayyyy my boy Kyle gets a shoutout again! He's my absolute favourite EU character. I love how even though he and Luke didn't entirely agree on the nature of the Force and Force abilities, Luke still made him battlemaster and greatly valued his contributions and insights in the Order.
@Xdeadlyxphantom
@Xdeadlyxphantom 2 жыл бұрын
It was part of the reason why he turned the dark side but I think the main reason is they never trusted him and lie to him
@emilyg1239
@emilyg1239 2 жыл бұрын
Luke knew what made the Jedi Order kowtow to the Senate & didn't want the new order to have the same issue
@JJBSZ
@JJBSZ 2 жыл бұрын
I think it’s awesome that Luke ended up doing things differently I mean it just makes sense that the opposite of hate pain and passion would be peace love and happiness lmao Jedis are just hippies with swords 😂
@jameswest981
@jameswest981 2 жыл бұрын
Love is indeed a double edge light saber🤔
@ilogicg
@ilogicg 2 жыл бұрын
isn't Kyle Katar that guy that said, "I'm not a Jedi just a guy with a lightsaber."
@delarrianriley6240
@delarrianriley6240 2 жыл бұрын
I would have loved to see what happened after the Fate of the Jedi novels
@TheSerpent21
@TheSerpent21 2 жыл бұрын
I mean I can see what Luke is getting at with encouraging it and all it would fix a major issue from the previous Jedi order, but at the same time it also can leave an opening for the Darkside as well. Part of being a Jedi, a true Jedi after all least according to the Code is surrendering yourself fully to the Force and trusting in it by being too attached to things like relationships and people you are not otally devoting yourself nor surrendering yourself to the will of the Force.
@lucasbottino6148
@lucasbottino6148 2 жыл бұрын
Wow never been here 22 seconds after posting
@cavelstone9545
@cavelstone9545 2 жыл бұрын
Wow never been here 9 minutes after posting
@Honored_one-oi9ps
@Honored_one-oi9ps 2 жыл бұрын
16 minutes
@sacredcosmicsun8217
@sacredcosmicsun8217 2 жыл бұрын
22 mins
@Ian-ie3hy
@Ian-ie3hy Жыл бұрын
downing another in self defense is considered valiant, if certain conditions are met
@Smootles89
@Smootles89 2 жыл бұрын
You always keep it interesting, 6 min after posting today's video!
@JO-iv7tl
@JO-iv7tl 2 жыл бұрын
Luke has a decided factor in his own existence. He was born from a Jedi and as such it clouds his decisions. Decision to believe it's morally grey is accurate but as was in all known iterations of the Jedi eventually dark Jedi appear. I believe Luke was caught between his own birth and no one to counter any of his thoughts. This was and always would be a precarious path of uncertainty.
@cutercills9x9gaming49
@cutercills9x9gaming49 3 ай бұрын
One thing that many of us can assume from explanations like this is that if Anakin did not have to keep the marriage a secret, he could have received help that would eventually expose the lies from his nightmares and probably be able to accept that going to the extremes was not necessary, as Palpatine had suggested. Of course, no good person is perfect, but I'd say that the Jedi order is quite a bad place, and it sadly can be compared with today's society norms and expectations. For instance, people with rebellious POVs and other lifestyles such as punks, hippies, and Gen Z often have different beliefs, such as seeing virginity as a stupid concept, expressing confidence and ideologies in ways that may be provocative or controversial, believing that we have way too much restrictions in society to keep it a good place, and more. (And honestly, I do believe that some of these expectations are plain stupid, plus only are an excuse to mistreat certain people, which will only result in more crime, suffering, violence, and danger to the world). While rules and laws are important, many that are making it easier to get in trouble (which was already easy at all to begin with) or provide more harm than good are basically tearing apart our country and causing countless people to ruin their futures with no hope of redemption. And personally, I kind of believed that the Jedi deserved to face Order 66, and I was actually very happy to see Mace Windu being defeated by Anakin and Palpatine. While movies such as Star Wars are 100% fictional, they can carry great lessons that are wise to consider when making life choices or deciding what change is necessary for the future.
@jarenkiser8050
@jarenkiser8050 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah!! Kyle Katarn, Jedi outcast 2 on gamecube!!!
@COACHWARBLE
@COACHWARBLE 2 жыл бұрын
Luke didn’t have dozens of Jedi for recruitment in his order. Acquisition came very slow. Two force wielders would have children stronger than themselves
@gctlewis
@gctlewis 2 жыл бұрын
But this legends content contradicts Luke’s training of Goku, in the canon series Mandalorian, surely? Baby Yoda was seen during his training being discouraged from forming attachments… 🤷‍♂️
@jadehathaway4336
@jadehathaway4336 Жыл бұрын
if they have only saw well maybe some of the things we fought our Dark Side use are neutral they would save them from order 66 the previous Jedi era but they were too picky and they should realize love won't hurt no one Mace Windu and Yoda was very much like the sith themselves cold and unloving they were very much emotionless
@jaredt2590
@jaredt2590 Ай бұрын
It’s just sad the order ended up being destroyed bringing the force back into balance, if they just hadn’t trained Anakin that wouldn’t have happened.
@rachelprighel4409
@rachelprighel4409 2 жыл бұрын
That's great news kid
@exemed2331
@exemed2331 2 жыл бұрын
Is everybody goin to forget how luke refused to train Grogu because of his attachment to the mandolorein
@hillardwardiii6010
@hillardwardiii6010 2 жыл бұрын
Love will make you powerful 😱very powerful
@Raven12516
@Raven12516 2 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure Anakin was 9 when he left Tatooine. Unless that was changed with the new canon. 🤔
@DeathScepter
@DeathScepter 2 жыл бұрын
Anakin didn't understand between obsession and attachment. Obsession will lead to the dark side due to its selfish nature; Attachment is unselfish.
@willg.7775
@willg.7775 2 жыл бұрын
The entire trilogy should be remade. 7-9
@Sifu-Myers
@Sifu-Myers 2 жыл бұрын
I could be wrong but I feel like the jedi jad the right idea with attachments but it got taken to far. clearly you can see how in real life how attachments destroy people but like I had mentioned it got taken to far
@baelzaden530
@baelzaden530 2 жыл бұрын
The only reason Anakin turned to the dark side is the Jedi didn't teach him force heal. The single most important ability he could have learned and could have been the factor that would make him lol in Sidious's face , cuz if he knows force heal then he should also have the knowledge that dark side healing is problematic so he would have done ANYTHING he could to stick to the light to have the power to save everyone he cares for.
@equatiks97
@equatiks97 2 жыл бұрын
luke didnt know anakin personally and even anakin has been proven to not be emotionally mature enough to realise how his emotions can cause him to make bad calls. he is the kinda person hwo gets insulted by a dude on the street and immediately go to throw hands or heavily threaten it and not realise whats wrong with that situation
@gregsurles4199
@gregsurles4199 2 жыл бұрын
I Interpret the balance of the force as a harmony between light and dark. I think like was right.
@psychonaut2173
@psychonaut2173 2 жыл бұрын
But In Bobba Fett Luke told Grogu to leave cuz of his attachements
@Paradox-vk9fe
@Paradox-vk9fe 2 жыл бұрын
Were talking about legends luke but for me legends is cannon.
@vangnguyen9660
@vangnguyen9660 2 жыл бұрын
Did it there was a Jedi master who was on the Jedi council did have children and married but he didn't feel anything when it died
@lukeskywalker2913
@lukeskywalker2913 2 жыл бұрын
Guys let me straighten things out for y'all. The reason Yoda implemented the rule about no attachments was because he got zero bitches and all high ranking council members were jealous that my father pulled an absolute baddie
@waterlogga
@waterlogga 2 жыл бұрын
Can’t forbid nature! Most corporations and spiritual religions give off the suggestion that love shouldn’t be tolerated but what they mean is it’s dangerous and not everyone can handle it! Though the Jedi order like most can’t have split devotion as Anakin realized at the end of episode 2 when Padme falls off the ship!
@n_conway7571
@n_conway7571 2 жыл бұрын
Doesn’t Luke do the same thing that the Jedi did? He made grogu choose between family and Jedi. Granted EU Luke is more to my liking
@isaacsantana6560
@isaacsantana6560 2 жыл бұрын
Darth king lord dark plagues lives
@jedipadwan20
@jedipadwan20 Жыл бұрын
It’s funny cause canon Luke Skywalker is taking the same route to restore the Jedi when he was training baby Yoda don’t know have to spell his name. This Luke in canon doesn’t allow attachments like the Jedi of old an that is why the Jedi nearly went dead again. His refusal to accept attachment was cause for Ben falling to the dark side. Hopefully Rey will do better.
@VogtTD
@VogtTD 2 жыл бұрын
The attachment thing is completely false dogma. Luke had attachments and he didn't turn evil. Anakin fell because he had unresolved trauma and UNHEALTHY attachment and the Jedi didn't get him the help he needed, instead telling him to suppress his feelings. Ahsoka and Luke's adherence to this dogma in Mandalorian is extremely frustrating and disappointing.
@GuardianKyle
@GuardianKyle 2 жыл бұрын
The real reason Anakin turned to the Dark Side? He became emo because he learned in the Jedi Archives that Jedi Knight Revan was allowed to marry Padawan Learner Bastila when his marriage was kept a secret.
@JO-iv7tl
@JO-iv7tl 2 жыл бұрын
The Jedi teachings saw only attachment to the Jedi order as an acceptable commitment.
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