Not just the force itself, but EVERY force user as well

Well I'd argue Plagueis and Darth Traya also pissed off the force to such an extent that it personally ensured their downfall, not so much due to their raw power, but due to their horrific plans.

it couldnt even DO IT by itself...because he legit was its master...someone had to do ritual bs to even stand a chance against him and even then he just about won regardless.

⁠@@dreadrathI very much agree with that, Although I think kreia had a significant hand in instructing Revan and redefining his philosophy and character, seen and felt by the force, thus rebalancing the equation of light vs dark by doing so. Yes she was EVIL, but her plans were ultimately foiled. 😊 Great perspective bro

Eh: Maur. His talisman was so potent that the force itself hid it from the galaxy. Revan was restrained by both Jedi and Sith from unleashing his full potential. Darth Krayt could puncture the Celestial Aboloth bare handed.

You mean hold my Empire that beated Republic and Sith Wmpire, children that were ones of the most powerful user of that Era, Empire older then 50 years, and one of the most powerful Fleet in all of SW?

@@DarthNox66 Not only that it took the whole galaxy and the strongest force users to beat him*.

@@lemonboychris *him. Yeah, even Force itself had to step in

He ate 2 worlds became immortal mentally inslaved thousands at a time enslaved time ruled two empires at the same time was a master combatant god tier force user Compare that to a bony ballsack that can barely walk... ya..

@@DarthNox66tbf he only beat both of them because he let them weaken each other and brainwashed Revan to do most of his work as well as having technology that was far ahead of his time from the star forge, don’t get me wrong he’s the most powerful and his manipulation and planning is a skill in itself that makes him even better but he didn’t take down both of those empires with his own hands he took them down cause of the weapons he had at his disposal, which in itself is a great feat but not what I think you’re framing it as

That and a blue "space pill" for his cloning project...

Thus ends the reign of the immortal emperor

I think, could be wrong, Darth Annedu did such a thing

Technically if he did it would have been essence transfer. When Tenebre was born he had an immense dark aura and eyes that were pure black. Which means that he was just born with great power. Much like how Palpatine was very strong already, but Tenebre was just born stronger.

Sidious repeatedly absorbed the life force of a planet with a much larger population but didn’t completely strip the planet of life (that way he could do it repeatedly)

These feats sound like they come from the mind of a small child trying to one up another toddler’s head canon.

People also disregard that Nathema at the time was also populated by the Sith pure bloods, so not only did he absorb the life force from 8000 Sith Lords, but also millions of a force sensitive species

​@@uncouthliyouth4486 true.

@@jakealter5504 Sidious did not wanted to strip the planet of life as he wanted to rule over the living as he said to Vader and it would have been foolish as his clone bodies were stored there...

Bullshit, Sidious surpassed them all after becoming emperor.

@@headstrongbachelor3152 Marka Ragnos, Darth Bane, Darth Nihilus, Vitiate/Tenebrae/Valkorion, excluding the Sith gods who are on Abeloth's tier and higher there are a bunch of Sith who stomp Sidious.

@@lemonboychris Sidious used telepathy and force dominate mind combine to control the crownies of the empire from his palace while studying the dark side where he learned all the powers the ancient Sith mastered. He even discovered new powers such as force storms that could annihilate a planet.

@@headstrongbachelor3152 here's why you are in the wrong.... The ancient Sith hated Sidious for a number of valid factual reasons. One big one was how Sidious was obsessed and far too close to the Jedi. Even in "Revenge of the Sith" Sidious made the comment to Vader that they needed "to move quickly" because the Jedi would "butcher them like cattle" if they had found out what they did and were planning to do. Sidious was weak to admit that. The ancient Sith were very different. They stayed away from the Jedi because they knew that would make them weaker in the dark side. It was a needless distraction. The potency of the dark side was at its greatest with the ancient Sith. They had dark side sciences and magics that far surpassed the a-typical technologies. They had weapons and icons that were cursed with the dark side that would render a wounded enemy incurable. My favorite were Sith war blades. That's why the ancient Sith didn't like lightsabers and saw them as weaker weapons. Some rode dragons that were cursed by the dark side and it was effortless for them to kill Jedi. They led entire armies of Sith warriors into battle. The ancient Sith would also become immortal in the force after death. That's why they laughed at Sidious because of essence transfer. Take, for example, Darth Malgus in the Old Republic. Despite having cybernetic attachments he could still use dark side lightning because of the Sith magics and alchemy of the time. And Vader? Nope. Even around the time of "A New Hope" Sidious actually went to the Sith home world of Korriban and attempted to make demands on them. They laughed at him and beat him within an inch of his life. He had no chance. They viewed the "Rule of Two" as a weak mockery of what they were supposed to be as an empire. They rightfully viewed Sidious and Vader as a bunch of cry baby noobs. Fact. Your argument is invalid.

​The rule of 2 was genius. The ancient Sith Lords failed to wipe out the Jedi and take over the galaxy, and one of the reasons for that is that they betrayed each others which ultimate lead to their defeats. Sidious did where they all failed and after becoming Emperor he drained the life essence of billions if not trillions to increase his powers. He was able to consume a planet such as Byss without any use of complex ritual. He was literally a black hole in the force. Sidious's high force sensitivity combined with his genius level of intellect allowed him to learn all force powers and powers in the dark side there was known and use them in the most cunning way to take over the galaxy and rule it for 20 years, and if his clone bodies were not destroyed he would have lived forever in oppose to Vitiate who was in constant danger of ending in Chaos (which he eventually did).

To be fair, Valkorion is not a Sith

​@@DarthNox66he was at first

@@DarthNox66 that is another simplification of what a sith is. First of all, Valkorion/Vitiate is defo a dark side of the Force user. He enslaves all, he doesn’t befriend. He uses the force as a tool which is what being in the dark side is. He uses the force for his personal advantage and benefits. Secondly, given so many siths openly followed him as an emperor, he counts as one. Whether he accepts it or not. This is like if a serial killer went and said “I’m not a murderer, I am a take outer.” Lol

Being a Star Wars fan but more so a fan of literature, I can acknowledge that George wasn’t the best at building the lore but then again he was just trying to direct a movie and hasn’t really done much in the film industry since SW and Indians Jones w/ Spielberg Unfortunately I think fans also muddied the waters with the power scaling. Amazing characters and lore, but the powers just don’t make sense sometimes and are logically inconsistent For example….why don’t force-users just fly?😅 I chalk many things up to happenstance/convenience and “takes too much concentration for a mortal” But it’s all in good fun when you don’t take it too seriously/logically

More like star wars fans need to accept that legends has canon ranks and Lucas canon is above all canons as a part of that universe.

Aye and both the Jedi and sith warrior class story allows them to kill him. It is all part of his grander plan.

Jedi Knight: "hold my beer, imma kill him" You literally skipped the part of JK story, where you literally are destined to kill Vitiate.

@@koniu2024 technically the sith warrior killed him too in their class story

The Main character of SWTOR is still very powerful, maybe Not more powerful than vitiate, but probably around the Power of Palpatine or higher

​@@Evren_only His voice

Most funny thing is that that storm isnt even that impressive compared to the old Sith, Marka Ragnos could cover an entire planet in a lightning storm. Same with Naga Sadow.

@@Vakaria-plays true enough BUT those were the "Ancient" class Sith, most of them, an it's widely believed they COULD do that though... Putting even most of what the Bane era Sith. Even likes of Palpatine could do to shame or at least give him a run for his money

​@@Vakaria-plays+ As much as I LOVE Ragnos, when was it ever shown that he could cover an entire planet in a lightning storm (let alone Naga Sadow who was weaker than Ragnos).

Minimal? My dude, he propagated a galactic war that he completely controlled(he was leading both sides) which ended with the jedi order being destroyed and him ruling the galaxy. The only reason he lost is that the monster he created turned on him at a crucial moment.

​@@shini1908as the guy says alot of work was done for him to even have that opportunity killed his master in his sleep. But feats do not equal power power equals power and still vitiate was involved as emperor of the sith in galactic affairs over 1000 years so honestly yeah pretty minimal

@@hawkeye2467 and yet the guy never won, he schemed for a 1000 years and failed and even as valkorion he only had the power he had because of the eternal fleet(which is stolen tech btw) palpatin clapped the jedi and republic in less then 80 years with no immortality less force powers and less then tenth of the time it took valkorion to make 3 distinct empires(2 sith's one eternal) only for all of them to fail.

@@shini1908 I get it but palpatine reaped of the work of generations to achieve his goal also the jedis general apathy was largely at fault for his rise imo he's undoubtedly more intelligent and cunning however my statement was more on pure power itself to which palps just was not there

Out universe, George Lucas said it, and he's the creator of all this. In uniserse, he's the final sith of the rule of two era, that started very strong with Bane, and was desingned to just go up more and more.

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I agree, I always got the feeling that vitiate over his millennia of existing, unlocked secrets no one ever did before. The power of life drain isn’t unique to Nihilus, just the scale, and I’m sure many powerfull Jedi and sith knew how to counter this ability on a normal scale. I think if anyone could could resist Nihilus in that way, it would be vitiate, and with time to prepare and plan, I think that vitiate would likely come out on top.

@@Gelph I totally agree man, I definitely believe he knew abilities with the force no one else did and that’s why he had my edge in a fight but I could only imagine to the extent nihilus power would grow if he actually drained vitiate

@@scottmcmichael319 oh I see I miss read what you were saying in your original. But yes that would be quite an interesting thing to see. It’s also interesting because it seems that the nathema ritual siphoned force on a level deeper than Nihilus, as his planets are never described as the same sort of oblivion as nathema, I wonder if that kinda power might actually be able to satisfy his hunger for a certain amount of time. It could also imagine it also being his undoing as it might bring him to a point of hunger that he just couldn’t sate in enough time.

@@Gelph He already literally consumed his body and mind and was barely holding his ship together.... :I Nihilus was powerful af, but he was created by turned Revan, and scales similarly to Revan, after becoming Nihilus.... And thats ignoring the MASSIVE weakness that his hunger literally not only was consuming him but had consumed his body and mind.... He had echos of sentience, but more than anything and more as time went on, he was nothing but mindless hunger. Powerful, but not a winning strategy

Idk imo I don't think Vitiate could use his abilities to infiltrate Nihilus' mind. I think even if he did it would break him as he wouldn't be able to deal with Nihilus' inner mind. The hunger being mainly the only thing Nihilus can think about most times I think that unending hunger with in Nihilus' mind would send Vitiate insane and possibly turn him cabbaged lol

That would be awesome. This vid is cool ❤

SWTOR isn't why we never got KOTOR 3. That was a DISNEY decision and had NOTHING to do with SWTOR. It seems you have also forgotten another extremely important reason why we never got KOTOR 3 which is because of the failure of KOTOR 2 and how incomplete that game was. KOTOR 2's failure is one of the biggest reasons why Disney decided to go with a MMO instead of making a KOTOR 3.

@@Lunzatis_Palemoon TOR came out in 2010, two years before Disney

I would like say Valkorian is second Sidious is by EU feats the most powerful Force-user in history. He was capable of generating Force Storms that come close to planet-busting in their power. Revan was small potatoes by comparison just in terms of raw destruction, even though his strategies were legitimately brilliant rather than being incredibly stupid and contrived (but that's more that his games were better-written than the prequels). In terms of fighting ability with just the lightsaber, Palpatine was a match for Windu, arguably the best Jedi swordsman, although Windu and Luke Skywalker were both able to narrowly defeat him, he was nevertheless effortlessly able to dismantle three Jedi Masters. It's his ability with The Force that swings it, though. He's able to tap into the life-force of whole planets to sustain himself, extend his life by transferring his consciousness via the Force to other bodies, and of course his ability to generate wormholes capable of killing the populations of entire planets. It got to a point where he became a nexus of the Dark Side of the Force, capable of damaging the fabric of spacetime with his very presence. It's his ability with The Force that swings it, though. He's able to tap into the life-force of whole planets to sustain himself, extend his life by transferring his consciousness via the Force to other bodies, and of course his ability to generate wormholes capable of killing the populations of entire planets. It got to a point where he became a nexus of the Dark Side of the Force, capable of damaging the fabric of spacetime with his very presence. Revan was exceptionally skilled in The Force and with the lightsaber, but it was his tactics and strategy which put him up in the annals of Jedi and Sith history - he was a total geniu.

@@chadbrad8100 Sidious isn't even close to Valkorian. Sidious is a wannabe compared to Valkorian. Valkorian did his feats and powers while his essence was divided among many other people. Sidious never even came close to pulling something like that off, much less draining an entire planet.

he had the immortal fleet instead, which were more powerful ships run by AI robots like scorpio. from the ancient world of Iokath.

Valkorion and it's not close...Unless you mean what if full potential Anakin, from my understanding full potential Anakin, Luke and Leia>Anyone. The Skywalkers at full potential are Gods.

Full potential or as we saw him. What he actually achieved couldn't hope to stand against Vitiate but at full potential Anakin would demolish Vitiate with about as much effort as you or I would brush a twig off a jacket.

​@@AceMatthew25414+ This.

@@justinanderson2460 i don't agree if we were talking about using lightsaber anhe anakin kills him easly but he can't fight someone who is 1500 years old sith entity which can create real illusions of himself bend multiple wills to his mind feed of death of millions

What are you talking about? During his regin there are plenty of Darths alongside the Lords, so if that was Vitiates plan he somehow screwed up big time cause the entire dark council can only hold a seat if they have the title of Darth, but there was also many Sith who had the title of Darth but wasnt a member of the Dark council.

You seem to forget that a lot of the Ancient Sith's power was based on complex rituals and artifacts that enhanced their powers through sorcery. Thr Banite line of Sith were generally more focussed on their personal power. Tulak Hord's claim to fame was his lightsaber skill but even that has context since he was often duelling against Sith Force Blade purists who were largely unfamiliar with lightsabers. Sure he was a power house with the Force too but I've seen little to suggest he was on the level of the most powerful force users.

Most of Vitiate's vest fears weren't just him. They often requited long, convoluted rituals with loads of prep, artifacts or devices that amplified or enhanced power and/or outside help/power from others to accomish. It's one of the contextual reasons why Vitiate is NOT in fact, more powerful than Sidious.

@@justinanderson2460 LMFAO. Yes, Vitiate was absolutely more powerful than Sidious. Just because Vitiate was smart enough to take advantage of and drain other people of their powers to enhance his own doesn't make him weaker. Vitiate was far more powerful and far smarter than Palpatine could ever hope to be. Palpatine was a weak bitch that got lucky because the Jedi and Republic had become complacent.

Its annoying that people fetishises the ancient sith like they were gods. It goes against sith nature that is all about strength struggle and change. They get stronger as time passes. Sidious in legends did feats that the most powerful masters of old could only dream of. Sidious at is most powerful gets dropped in the old republic, he fucks everyone.

Exactly.

He is vitiate and valkorion at the same time. Tenebrae was able to split his spirit into multiple bodies. Search for the children of the emperor for a glimpse of his power.

Vitiate is the Person, valkorion is only a Body used by him

​@@Valkyrawvalkorion is only a Body for the mind of vitiate

This is nice headcannon, but baseless.

The Sithari (Sith chosen one) and the Jedi chosen one are different. The Sithari are Sith that completely changes the Sith Order, while the Jedi's chosen one brings balance to the Force. As the Sith were in hiding after the battle of Ruusan and had only two members left, the Chosen One was required to bring balance to the Force by resetting the Jedi Order and sort of return the Galaxy back to the way where Jedi and Sith fight each other as sort of symptoms of the battle between the Light and Dark.

In comparison to the Sith from the old Republic Sidious IS a joke

You're probably right but who cares. We got an insanely cool character out of it.

A lot of Vitiates early feats got walked back, too. This video didn't even touch on his attempt to life wipe the entire galaxy, for example.

I agree, i don't like this power creep in Star Wars, it kinda ruins the original movies. Next time we will get a Q-like being or what?

Power creep would be if every next sith gets stronger (thus rule of two or modern Disney star wars) However in the old republic vitiate was past and present the most powerful force user. That's not power creeping, that is good lore building.

@@Valkyraw It is a power creep in the story release timeline. Every next movie/game/book contains more powerful being than the previous ones in order to make them attract attention, constantly pushing the limits of what is possible and how the Force works, even if it breaks the lore. So the characters in the first movies that started it all sudenly look like a bunch of losers, and nothing makes any sense anymore.

In other words, Palpatine dies like a bitch while it takes a combination of Jedi and Sith working together just to defeat Valkorion.

Sidious post Clone Wars: I am the Empire. What's your point?

Uhhh what? Abeloth is her own thing. We've already seen this.

He would die. Abeloth is a chaos goddess

@@DaG.O.A.T. yea people seem to forget it took the combined power of The Father The Son and The Daughter to banish her and even then they couldn't kill her

He'd get obliterated with 0 effort.

He doesn't need to face her directly. If he had finished his galaxy wide ritual she wouldn't exist anymore anyways. Remember his quote: "I hold the patience of stone and the will of stars"

Why do you believe Anakin would get anywhere near this level?

Now THIS is something I've never seen, heard or considered before. Just the idea of it is bloody terrifying.

@@justinanderson2460 I’m hoping someone will make it a what if. I’ve thought about making what ifs but I don’t know if I have the motivation to