Honestly, when I first read the title of this video I thought “a dead Jedi”

I think if Dooku had never joined Sidious or fell fully to the dark side but still left the order and underwent his own mission to fix the galaxy, he could very well have become a Jedi Lord.

A true Jedi is about following the will of the force. If a Jedi lord receives the will from the force to stay and protect, then so be it.

So the republic doesn't care if companies legally own planets but they hate when individual Jedi become monarchs

Jedi Lords were the answers to the result of the fact the Galaxy was literally falling apart after more than a thousand years of war, and the fact the Republic didn’t have the resources or manpower to govern many worlds and the Jedi literally had to step in and take charge if not those worlds would have fallen to the Sith.

1:10 You know of Ben Swolo and Qui-Gon Gym, now prepare for Planetine Palpatine

As a writer of my own alternate Star Wars stories. I love your content. It always gives me inspiration. Thank you, Stupendous Wave

Jedi Lords? I dig it. POWER!!!!

Honestly, if he hadn't fallen to The Dark Side, I could have seen Count Dooku becoming a Jedi Lord to defend Cireno since the Jedi Order had already proven their lack of willingness to do so. I fully believe that it was superior to how The Jedi became right before Order 66 and Operation Nightfall. But it also would have left a large opening for Sith like Sidius and Plaugeus to take advantage of. So there is really no way of knowing how things would have ended. But it does expose the first cracks in The High Council's facade that The Sith would exploit over the next 1000 years to rot the order from the inside.

Didn't know Lord Khan was a Jedi first, and his name reminds me of "Shere Khan" from the Jungle Book

"The only good Jedi is a dead Jedi." - Starship Troopers

Tom Hiddleston young Palps made my coffee jump...

I think Jedi Lords are a good idea. a lot of them ruled systems, not just planets. 'Lord' is not like 'Master', where you can gain it through learning and peace with very little action. 'Lord' is given to a Jedi who has personally brought observable improvement to a part of the galaxy, and they only have it as long as they continue to bring good things to their homes. I think the issues with the wider order are the fault of the High Council, and the order certainly needed more Jedi who were willing to take the initiative, BRINGING peace and safety instead of glorified hoping for it.

I'd like to know more about both the teffo paladins and the corelian jedi

would like to hear more about various Sith tombs, their layout(s), and any history involving said tomb if possible

this should be a movie

i think there should be some jedi lords maybe a few hundred in diferent places they should have a consuil to and their leader should atleast have a seat in the hige consuil and if giving warning about the way the republic is going, corruption missused of powed etc their warning should be taken realy serious considering they would be able to give another view than the other members of the hige council. if something like that was a thing during the last couple 100 years the coruption etc that plauged the new republic might have been far less severe, and its potential that duku would not have fallen to the dark side either, he would most likely have been a jedi lord in the end beeing the count of serenous. and the sepratist crisis would potentialy not been to the extent it was either. also it might have very well been that the jedi had chosen to leave the republic or distance themself more from it if they was not able to do anything to change it because they would have a more indept picture of how thing acctualy was.

Hey Stupendous any updates on the Ulic Qel-Droma Bio and Power Scaling video, like you did with Satele Shan, Count Dooku, and Arcann. We have 6 vids on Exar Kun, 3 of which are about his double bladed Lightsaber. Not one video on the only man able to duel him to a draw though, let's make this vid happen. His story is worth being told in the holocrons from Jedi, to sith lord, to his path to redemption and peace. Let's get this holocron made, your friend and patron Samson

I feel like the Jedi Lords are an interesting precedent to the Fel Dynasty

The ones who could be easily manipulated.

1:10 that a wide palpatine

The old saying still applies. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Amazing, I remember watching your video explaining all Jedi classes and picked the "Sentinel Watchmen "very fitting for my ideal type of Jedi. This video now proves how much more awesome these Jedi are, thank you!

Actions speak louder than words. They did so much good, and helped to stabilise the galaxy. They were guided by the force to help those who chose them as their protectors.

Grey Paladins, you say? Please, teacher, tell us more.

Blasters alongside of their lightsabers: Oh man....I miss Kyle Katarn.

Jedi Lords by name and description of history go so dummy hard. The only type of Jedi I like also. 🙏🏾😈

Love the Jedi Lords(and the older approaches of the Jedi to being a Jedi!)

I had not heard about either of these factions. I'd love more information on them both. Thanks for all the content

A video on the grey paladins sounds great. Please make it.

Grey Paladins would be dope

you left out so much of the context around why jedi lords came to be a thing and why they created their own council. the republic was in pieces, almost ceasing to exist, and the jedi council on coruscant sat idle. the jedi lords saved the galaxy and the ruusan reformations were mistakes.

In the EU, Luke had the right idea of what the Jedi should be. His New Jedi Order, Jedi were the correct way of being Jedi. Not being centralized in Corusant and having many temples and allow Jedi to love and have wives and husbands. But still maintaining dicipline and protecting the light above all things. Luke's New Jedi Order tried to stay out of politics as much as possible, which was difficult considering.... His sister was the leader of the New Republic and also had the force lol. But he did a good job. The weakness of the Jedi is that they sacrafice TOO MUCH, they will do ANYTHING for the republic. And that's what Sidious and the Grand Plan exploited. Luke did not make his Jedi like this. And they were still thrust into war against the Vong. But at that point.... So was EVERY Species in the galaxy.

05:35 - Id dearly like to hear more about Darth Bane The Sith lord who began it all starting with the rule 2. 1 to hold ALL the power ✊️ 1 to crave the power ✊️

It really sounds like a case of desperate times calling for desperate measures. I’d love to hear more about them though.

0:03 Depends on how they rule it.

Those with the power to rule , should rule .

Yes, more please.

Loved the video image

More on the factions please!

I'd love to learn more about the Paladins.

Palpatine: i STILL love my deformed face....

The Jedi Lords in the Grey Jedi Lore video definitely came to mind

You should definitely do a video on grey paladins and green jedi.

I would like to hear more about this

I'd probably want to be like a Jedi Lord more than a normal Jedi

Love your content Stupes! This is an interesting topic, it's almost as if war and power corrupt people...😂

I have been convinced since the Bane trilogy that his formation of the Rule of Two after his brilliant manipulation that led the Brotherhood of Darkness to destroy themselves was only one of two main catalysts for the destruction of the Republic and Jedi. The Rusan Reformation was, In my opinion, just as much of a blow to the order because it simultaneously stripped much of their influence from galactic politics while also giving that power to a group (the senate) which was not guided by the force and instead easily corrupted by selfish motives. It’s truly astonishing that they actually managed to go a thousand years before the grand plan destroyed the weak and flailing Jedi Order that had been serving and executing the orders from a mass of beings who were openly operating in opposition to the will of the Light Side.

I want this exact same format but for real life history

It'd love to know about those other two factions.

Can you guys make a video on the other Jedi factions?

I’d like to hear about the green Jedi and what they were up to during the Clone wars

Would like to know more about those groups, please!

I got a question for stupendous wave. In Star Wars, what is the difference between force lightning and regular electricity as used by bounty hunters like Cad Bane?

I was sure this was going to be about C'Baoth

0:40 And to think Anakin was in for forcing something similar when speaking to Padme in Attack of The Clones.

Yes, I do want to know more about the grey paladins. As the Green jedi appear in the SWTOR MMO.

This is very interesting. This lead to Army of Light and Brotherhood of Darkness. Interesting history. I think Jedi should rule the planets. Jedi Lords were very good thing. It all depends of the heart of individual like you said. I think this is very good. Green Jedi were good too. They cared and loved their people. Like Jedi Lords. This is very interesting and nice. Grand Council was good too. Palpatine was right. They're welcome change and necessary part of peace. May the Force be with you too😊

Families are by and large a net positive. Had this group been able to expand to other areas of the galaxy, while remaining humble, Palpatine would have never gained power

Jedi forgot their role as peace keepers when they signed only to Republic side.

So, much like the Governors of the Empire these Jedi Lords were more like the feudal lords of old Europe. However the Force was not a weapon or a tool to be used against its natural wishes. The Emperor used the Force and beat it to his will. His preferred Jedi would be one who acted the same way. Uncompromising. Unbending. Willful. It’s why the Force will, in time balance itself. Aka The Chosen One prophecy.

Nice!

I think the Jedi order adapted to the times. Through the Sith wars such a need was necessary. What is more telling is not the Jedi Lords who gave up their roles but to the Jedi who refused them when their actions over the century were nothing but keeping the galaxy safe and were willing to give up their power and heritage nevertheless. Did Jedi Lords need to go? absolutely yes, because the high council and grand council would have come to discourse eventually and as you said splinter the Jedi order.

I wanna know more about those two factions. The grey paladins and the lords of corellia

To be truly honest, if it was necessary to have a proxy ruler to get things going and have a stable system in place until the people could get on their feet, or even rule so that a system/planet could figure out how to defend thenselves, I could totally see a jedi master being a ruler.

I actually think the Jedi Lords worked, not perfectly but certainly suitable for the roles they'd taken on as direct protectors and then rulers of individual planets and systems One of the Jedi Order's biggest failures was their becoming too politically involved in the Republic Senate and not serving and protecting the citizens as they were supposed to, and allowing petty politics and interests cloud their judgement, as well as their ability to hear the Will of the Force The Jedi Lords became directly involved with the people of various worlds and systems, serving and protecting them instead of kowtowing to the corrupt politics of the Senate I agree that had the Grand Council and the High Council worked together instead of conflicted with each other the outcome of the Jedi Lords could have turned out better and perhaps laid the groundwork for a more stable peace and justice for the galaxy I always felt the High Council itself was petty, even if they didn't think it, feel it, or deny it. They became so deeply entangled with politics and even jurisdiction that they became more and more like servants of a corrupt governing body, whose members only cared about themselves and their own interests A perfect example is when Ahsoka was framed for bombing the Jedi Temple, and while the evidence and circumstances around her piled up and didn't look good for her, too much was either circumstantial or just didn't make sense. But rather than stand by and for their jedi sister the council selfishly expelled her and turned her over to the Republic Tribunal, where she came all too close to being sentenced to death for crimes she did not commit. Their "apologies" were disgusting and appalling, shifting responsibility onto the Force, and their offer, not only to reinstate her but also knight her, felt like a shameful bribe. I didn't blame Ahsoka in the slightest for walking and never coming back, becuz she was brave enough and wise enough to see that despite what Barriss had done to her that, to some degree, she was right about the Jedi Order Let us not forget how Dooku became disillusioned with the Jedi Order and how a corrupt senator threatened the people he was supposed to represent when they abducted his son in order to get his attention. His behavior was disgusting and I was actually rooting for Dooku to kill him. It took the son pleading Dooku to spare his father and the realization of what he was about to do to stop, and despite the son promising to do better than his father for their people Dooku was skeptical And of course the Outer Rim is left to its own devices becuz the majority of worlds and systems refuse to join the Republic, and so the Jedi do nothing to help the oppressed people out there, especially those enslaved by criminal syndicates, and the syndicates use their connections to exploit, manipulate, and hurt others, even in the Republic's sphere of influence Even a single sufficiently-trained Jedi could do a world of good for communities oppressed and terrorized by criminals and corrupt leaders, and yet the Jedi only do what the Senate tells them As heartbreaking as it was to see so many Jedi die, I am saddened to say, yoda was right. The Jedi Order had failed and it needed to be wiped away for a fresh start. A new hope... that was supposed to be embodied by Luke Skywalker, and while Luke succeeded in redeeming his father so Anakin could restore balance to the Force it didn't last. Luke made the mistake of emulating his predecessors to much, making many of their same mistakes, resulting in his nephew turning to the Dark Side and the destruction of Luke's own nascent Jedi Order. He also failed Grogu, giving him a this or that choice between continuing his Jedi training or returning to Din Djarin and in doing so drove away a promising pupil. He exiled himself to Ach-To and intended to die there, ending the Jedi forever, all out of his self-pity and arrogance costing him so much Thankfully, we have Rey to carry on the Skywalker legacy and the torch of the Jedi's light to bring hope for the galaxy. I'd like to think Ahsoka, Sabine, Ezra, Jacen, and perhaps even Cal Kestis and maybe even Asajj Ventress, will fulfill roles in bringing hope for the future of the Jedi and the universe

Individual or small groups of Jedi warriors sent out to watch over planets that couldn’t defend themselves beyond the inner core. Sort of like how things were with the Clones Wars except instead of a galaxy spanning militia it was the Jedi themselves. A much different way of the Order from the far past to the closer future.

I think the Jedi Lords represent the most practical and powerful version of the Jedi. As long as they remained wise and ruled righteously then they were the best Jedi. I agree that the two orders should have worked together. If a Jedi wants to create a family and serve a planet and the galaxy, or if a Jedi wants to be a galactic force wielding monk cop, than that's fine too, lol.

If a Jedi is dually CHOSEN by a faction or population and/or due to Fate, said elections, etc... a Jedi can probably come into a job/ "duty" of a Governorship/Ruler of a Planet, System, Etc. If the original Jedi could make it work just fine the Clone Wars Era an those in between them all got NO excuses for not being able to do the same.. if they're NOT wanting it and/or got serious reservations about taking such a role that even better. It's often those that DONT want a rulership of something that very often, ironically, happen to ALSO its typically discovered to be MOST suited to it. Especially, for all they know, the Force may even WANTED a Jedi ruling a world or whole system, etc an for a good reason. It's not any kinda positions fault the Jedi got way too dogmatic that they couldn't do all kinds of things normal beings do all the time... like good Rulers, Generals, an Soldiers..

*sees title* Me: A dead one. Its a dead one, i know it.

Love is a point of view Stupendous Wave

What's ironic is that this could've potentially prevented a lot of problems. Republic simp Jedi for the core and inner rim. Chad Jedi Lords for the wild space and outer rim Would be interesting What if Jedi Lords survived into modern day (episode I) Guess you wouldn't really have a Clone War

Lord hoth was dope

I bet Force Meditation specialists were especially important during this time.

More info on grey paladins please

Sad thing is, The Star Wars Univers had more stability and almost NO real conflict under Palpatines rule. Other than routing out any that stood to overthrow him, Palpatine brought REAL Peace and Stability. The Jedi only put out the fires after they started but the Darkside prevented the fires before they even begun.

The galaxy would be a far better place if more planets had a benevolent Jedi Lord in control. Remember what Shmi Skywalker said in TPM? "The Republic doesn't exist out here." A Jedi Lord would be able to do something about slavery and injustice being there in person, whereas any support gets held by the bureaucracy in the Senate.

Lmao, Papal State in Space!

I think they for sure still had some flaws, but on the whole i think they were better and more true to the ancient jeh' di and even luke skywalkers reorganized jedi than the clone wars era jedi and jedi council, they had just as much care and empathy for the problems of the galaxy but wisely decided to specialize and narrow their focus on improving ehatever world they were on or in charge of for generations instead of flitting about from one place to another constantly, over throwing tyrant rulers but then not doing anything to replace them with somone good and just allowed another tyrant to rise up less than a generation later, the clonewars era jedi were spread too thin, their focus to disapated and thats exactly what led to their downfall, all they could really manage to do besides fixing aurface level issues with a quick band aid then leaving the deep wound underneath to fester, and even when they knew what to do tney had to get approval from the senate for every little single minute action, bogging down the process tremendouslys with beuaricratic red tape leaving them slow to react to problems and very easily manuevered around by politics and politicians. That was one of their most glaring and easily exploited weaknesses and thats why the sith evolved to become politicians and banking officials to influence and manipulate the political machine of the galaxy and republic. Im not too sure about the green jedi or the grey paladins but the jedi lords seem far superior to the clone wars end of the republic era jedi. Also i definitely agree Wave should do a video on the grey paladins and green jedi, i knew a tiny bit about them but had no idea they lasted up to the clone wars and great jedi purge id like to know the other difference between them and the core jedi hierachy and their pros and cons respectively

Have to say that I think the jedi lords are innovative way for the Jedi to not only continue to serve the force, but the people of and the galaxy as well in a time of darkness and chaos. Particularly those parts of the galaxy and sectors generally abandoned or left to rot by the republic. Giving them good governance, protection and rulership, enabling them to thrive and flourish under the rule of the jedi lords and avoid the tyranny of the brotherhood of darkness. Plus it would be those lords and their armies, who would prove the different at Ruusan and end the new sith wars once and for all..

I would love to learn about grey paladins

More on the paladins please

I think the Jedi Order's High Council should have tried to integrate with the Grand Council. The Jedi Lords were once part of the order and had kept most of the views and most of the teachings of the Jedi Order with notable exceptions. However, since they were at each planet and system, they were able to better fulfill the mandate of the Jedi Order. And the Jedi Lords also made a point to train their offspring to be Jedi first before handing them their mantles. This would instill that humility and understanding of them serving the people as their guardians and their leaders. And with these teachings being passed down and a deeper connection to their planet's people they could respond and coordinate with others for crisis that would pop up. Be it pirates or the Sith, and since the Jedi Lords had vested interest in seeing not only their worlds wellbeing and to the galaxy; they were also less likely to go to war with one another. And the Grand Council would have been one such place to address issues between Jedi Lords before it leading to war. And the Jedi Order's High Council would have been able to aid in the mediation as well with them being the neutral party and being another go-between should it be necessary. In addition, the Jedi Order could have temples placed on some of these worlds if they didn't have one already and have the presence within the galaxy, they "perceived" to have. While this might not have sat well with Republic, this would have also helped to stamp out corruption and added another incentive to the Jedi Lords to keep to their teachings and ensure stability. But since the Jedi Order basically demanded they give up their power, and the Jedi Lords did willingly for the most part this demonstrated they were true Jedi through and through. And the Jedi who sneered and looked up the Jedi Lords with disgust within the Jedi Order, they are without a doubt to me failures and cannot be called Jedi. To not only wield that power, but still do what was asked and willingly give it up demonstrated character and the depth of those teachings. For those who retained their places and power, honestly can't say I disagree. Given how the Republic seemed to have dropped the ball multiple times and with the force they could sense what might be coming down the line they still were a better option as rulers. And while some might say they were being a bit greedy; they did also have families that they wanted to go back to as well. Which makes the Jedi Lords who gave it all up to return to the Jedi Order even more validated as true Jedi over the "pretenders" that called themselves Jedi in the order. Think even Palpatine would have been grateful he didn't have to contend with these Jedi, they would be a caliber well above anything he's contending with at his current era. Yoda being the closest to that metric, but even then, I would argue he would have been slapped around by some of these Jedi Lords for a bit. Pretty sure Dooku would have emulated their teachings and system with his own home world had he studied these Jedi Lords and how they interacted with each other and the Republic.

The Marvelous wave

so probably something that would have kept count duku from falling into Palpatines hands hu

Proper leadership is dull administrative work which consists of identifying and coordinating people of greater ability in specific areas in pursuit of an overarching goal. The force teaches nothing about budgeting and personal management.

I think Palpatine was two thirds right Jedi Lords and leaders were good ideas but then a lot more safe guards for the people both fellow Jedi and normal people. The Jedi Lords biggest problem was that their was in someways no one who truly stand up to them not even High Council could stop them also it is even further evidance that show that the Jedi rules of no families were far outdated should have changed after the Jedi Civil War and why being completely servent to a government stupid idea for main body.

“For knowledge and defense”…of the greatest number of people manageable…sounds like Jedi of the people, and NOT Jedi of the senate 🤔🤷🏼‍♂️👍🏻

The hole Skywalker saga is proof that Jedi Lord and the philosophie to only help your people does not work. Anakin also just wanted to protect his people. In his case his people were padme and his unborn child, for them you have to add a hole planet on top of this. That leaves a lot of people that they are ready to sacrifice.

I think there's a place for both

well, considering how BoD was formed and who was behind it I'd side with Jedi Lords being good thing any day

I think it might have been better for the Jedi had the High Council had disbanded after the New Sith Wars. I think it should have been reformed with a collection of Standard Jedi, and Jedi Lords. The two mindsets would have clashed, but it would have served better, because the order would have been whole, and the ideas of the Jedi Lords might have grounded the post-Ruusan order. It sounds like the proper Jedi Order never took responsibility for Kahn's fall, and as a result alienated the Republic and Senate, and set in motion the changes to the order that would make the Sith rise a millennium later a certainty.

I think there is more information needing to be shared on this yet beforfe i can blatatnly share my own opinion of the jedi lords and the "morality of having jedi leaders of any one region, let alone any one faction. the jedi lords being respected by even a sith emporer, while fantastic in theory might be nice to consider, however it is how each of these jedi lords themselves would react and choose to act in each and every given situation during times of both light and dark, in their respective roles, that is far more important to me than the over all outcome since part of being any sort of role in any sort of light or dark, is more about how you behave more than how other see you. the reverence and acceptance of a stih lord while respectable isnt exactly saying much of you as it is of how they themselves would like to percieve you. and that in my mind is something drastic to consider.

Full supporter of the Jedi Lords as a perfect expansion of how flawed the Jedi as a whole can become and did. The Paladins are useful to prove the high council was wrong in their stand at the time of great need of Jedi power. Not a believer in the Green Jedi for there lack of aide except the moment the home world was in danger.

What I would really like to know is since Luke and ahsoka know each other did palpatine ever since Anakin again

This is another example of Jedi order being disfunctional way back before Palpatine was even born. Jedi lords where effective protectors of their respective territories who hold political power in line with Jedi values. Isn't that what we all want from our politicians? And the High council basicaly get rid of them out of fear for it's own political power in the Republic. Isn't that how Sith usually destroy themselfs? These Jedi lords should be established in all parts of the Outer Rim and there will be no need for the "Tax free zone of the Outer Rim" Which ended right before the events of Phantom Menace and resulted in occupation of Naboo. In general I think properly trained Jedi is the best political leader. Particularly Jedi consular.

it's funny that Palpatine held this view that Dooku has in many writings within the series yet he was just a pawn. there was little respect, in the grand scheme, when both men saw the same idea once upon a time. this could have worked as an alternative to the clone army, if Yoda wasn't such a fool and listened to some of what his apprentice was saying. at the very least, it would have given us more lore and insight into Dooku and Yoda's ideological differences. making that piss poor 1 off line from Ki-Adi-Mundi as the tip of the iceberg while letting us see more of it later. instead, all we got was "he's trying to kill me." "he's a political idealist, not a murderer." that's it and it was a wasted opportunity.

It depends on the definition of a jedi. Is being a jedi to fight for what is right and protect the galaxy or is it solely to follow the will of the force?

I see Sabine taking this path. a Force user makes better leaders as they will have greater clarity and insight.

A Jedi’s duty is not to the order, the council, or the republic. A Jedi is a servant of the Force. That is where his duty lies. If the Force puts him on a throne, then he has no right to refuse that responsibility.