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Ancient Sith were haters that were mad that Plageus and Sidious were succeeding while the ancient Sith got their teeth kicked in by Jedi their whole life

​@@chiquita683"succeeding" they rose and fell within a single lifetime. They failed to end the Jedi, they failed to stop the rebels, they failed to finish corrupting the Chosen one, they spent a thousand years of planning for twenty years of empire.

@@bookingitwithwill402 indeed but like always there must be balance in the force so the force allowed the few Jedi to remain so as to eventually bring the Baneite sith down.

Darth Plaugeis : WPE Ellis "SirPirckleton" Shale.

That actually makes a lot of sense. If the sith will always fight only two sith fighting could potentially end the order even by accident.

Speaking of Math.... See, normally if you go one on one with another Sith you got a 50/50 chance of winning. But Sidious wasn't normal! So you got a 25%, AT BEST, at beating him. Then you add Marka Ragnos to the mix, your chances of winning drastic go down. See the 3 way at Sacrifice, you got a 33 1/3 chance of winning, but I, I got a 66 and 2/3 chance of winning, because Marka Ragnos KNOWS he can't beat me and he's not even gonna try! So the Ancient Sith Lords, can take their 33 1/3 chance, minus Sidious's 25% chance and you got an 8 1/3 chance of winning at Sacrifice. But then you take Sidious's 75% chance of winning, if they had to go one on one, and then add 66 2/3 per cents, I got 141 2/3 chance of winning at Sacrifice. See Stupendous, the numbers don't lie, and they spell disaster for The Ancient Sith at Sacrifice.

Ego wouldn't let them see that. An accident taking out not one but both Sith would be unthinkable to them.

No. You're forgetting about the Will of the Force. It makes sense for dark siders to be only two at a given time if you assume the Force itself will preserve one of them to carry on.

@@kevin9989 There will always be dark side force users, never mind the Sith. Heck, random Jedi fall to the dark side every so often, and IIRC that's how the Sith got started way back when.

They always had a backup plan though. Such was the nature of the Sith, the apprentice would take on an apprentice of their own behind their master's back as they plotted to overthrow their master. Like Sidious did with Maul while Plagueis was alive. Vader did the same.

i hate how people say the rule of 2 failed when it really didn't. the only reason it didn't survive was because darth plagueis his master and sidious completely deviated away from it. they focused on their own personal goals instead of advancing the goals of the sith. bane knew he wouldn't live to see the jedi fall but his rule of 2 is why the jedi fell. i think it would have worked still had sidious, his master, and plaguie's master didn't abandon it completely and run it the way it was supposed to. bane warned the sith would be destroyed if they pursued their own goals rather than furthering the cause of the sith which is what happend.

I also think the Ancient Sith were purest when it came to their code. To them power was the ultimate goal and it is not shared it must be taken. If you were not strong enough to take it you were weak and therefore not worthy. They probably saw the rule of two Sith as being given power and therefore weaklings not worthy of that power.

​@@ndcp2379as well as eliminating the competition that would strengthen them. The old sith constantly pitted themselves against each other. Not just apprentices but the masters as well.

@@eriknewton4656I mean if it only takes two people to deviate for it to fall apart then it failed.

Interesting Im not sure Revan followed the rule of two I think he took an apprentice based on his jedi upbringing Revan was before bane You visit korriban in the game and the sith there clearly do not follow the rule

Darth Bane founded the rule of two based on reven's holocron....reven also the canon story was he returned to the jedi after being reporgrammed and his memories returned he chose the jedi and so his rule of two idea had to wait for another to adopt it....

@@judgedrekk2981 ye I beat kotor 1 and 2 a dozen times each

I always thought that he was talking about each individual Sith Lords not training more than one apprentice. Since there were many of them at the time of Revan. Bane was inspired by what Revan had said, but he elevated it the next level, which is the Rule of 2.

Agreed

Hence, probably why Darth Mommin called them Jedi-obsessed weaklings.

Jedi tend to fall to the dark side and more often than not have access to the holocrons of the days of old, becoming new sith.

A rule of 2 Sith almost ruined the whole thing, and lost the ability for Sith to switch bodies. Something Sidious was obsessed with but by the time he became the master it was a practice long lost. The rule of 2 a double edged sword.

Yeah tenebrae the goat ❤

Yeah the extended universe is miles above the "cannon" of the prequel movies, original trilogy and abomination that is the disney sequel trilogy.

You could say the hype wasn’t real

The sheer ego of the ancient sith was so all-consuming that they just had no capacity to appreciate a higher 'sith' cause like the rule of two. It probably wouldn't even matter to them whatsoever that sith civilization is barely more than a faint whisper slipping beyond the bounds of recorded history into myths and legends by the time of the trilogy era.

Exactly this. I really hate how a lot of Star wars KZfaqrs always portray the dark side as like a separate force that force users can tap into. It is the force! It is literally called the dark side of the force!! It's always weird how a lot of writers treat it. Having emotions is a part of life and when you try and go full Vulcan like Ki-Adi-Mundy You get an emotionless monster that has the potential to be worse than any sith through peer calculus

@@klaykid117 The Dark Side and Light Side are two parts of a WHOLE, you can't have one without the other. As a Whole the Jedi are always the better option, yes to do get people like Vrook Lamar, Kavar, and Zez-Kai El, who are very much "No, we will do what we have done and wait." Jedi who have lost touch with what it means to be Jedi and Serve the public. But then you have Jedi Like Qui-Gon, Anakin, and Obi-Wan (to an extent). I always saw Obi-Wan as a Good Jedi, While he would take action. He just wanted to make sure he had all the important facts to make sure it was the right one. As opposed to Anakin who would jump into a Rancor pit to save a Child, only to find out the Rancors are gentle to the child, and he has managed to piss them off.

@@klaykid117 Star Wars had evolved beyond Lucas' vision.

@@ziephel-6780 The sad thing is, Star Wars never was Lucas' vision. The guy barely had anything do with the creation of Star Wars yet got all the credit.

It's reasonable to say kaans brotherhood might have succeeded to a degree. But eventually they would probably turn on each other.

@@shadowbeast2276 Good assumption.

Didn't the spirits mock Krayt as he got consumed by his armor?

​@@raggarbergman they *made* his armor consume him.

Yeah both wete true sith who doomed the republic

Hmm, not to defend the sequels but Palpatine outlived his enemies and managed to possess Rey (strike me down in anger, and I will possess you).

Palpatine was the ultimative victor. He succeeded where all the other Sith failed. None of them manage to bind the entire galaxy to their will like he did. He became the most powerful Sith Lord of all time.

​@@matiasluukkanen7718the sequels aren't canon, so it doesn't work

I legenda they return

​@@matiasluukkanen7718Palpatine was a cockroach. Not an emperor.

Their brute force didn't really work, the new sith are simply smarter

@@kenyon3556 the old sith litterally lasted longer than the new sith empire which only lasted for 30

@@jmgonzales7701they never wiped out the Jedi took the whole Galaxy like palpatine

Both Vader and Palpatine broke the rule of 2 so they agree the rule is stupid

Darth Krayt did it right tbh

Still Palpatine: until I lost everything with nothing setup to follow me.

What are you talking about? Sith were defeated multiple times, confined to a small part of the galaxy to kill each other by infighting. While Jedi shaped and in many ways, governed the near-galaxy-wide Republic with their principles, working in harmonious and symbiotic relationship. They were not slaughtering each other wholesale, and Galaxy had mostly positive image about them. To the extent that Republic and Jedi were seen as the same thing. Jedi had 1000 years of uninterrupted success and harmony. Sith hit their face against the same wall for well over 1000 years before Bane realised something had to be done.

This is a stupid take. The Jedi spent tens of thousands of years winning and leading the way.

The ancient Sith were diffeated and lived as castaway kings on a petty world for like 14000 years. They connect with the Republic, and are immediately defeated, except for a single survivor, who dies alone on a different empty world. The Sith are completely defeated for like a thousand years until some bored rich kids decide to get into the occult and get into some relics. Those Sith are likewise defeated quickly. The. You have Revan, who is victorious as a Jedi over the Mandalorians, and was defeated as a Sith. Then 300 years later the Sith attack again from the hidden infinite empire... And are defeated. Skipping forward you have the New Sith Wars, which are perpetuated by different Jedi falling to the Dark side. The wars perpetuate for like 1500 years, until the battle of Ruusan, where the Jedi are victorious, and Bane decides the wars are unwinnable and institutes the Rule of Two, taking a kid as a Padawan. Centuries later, Palpatine gains power through political machinations, not Sith conquest. He gives up his politics scheming and lives as Emperor for like 22 years when he's defeated by a Jedi Padawan and his Father undergoing his trial to become a Knight. He survives like a spiritual cockroach and is again defeated by a Jedi who's still early in he training. The Jedi in all that time are truer to their vision across all those millenia than the Sith, who always compromise. Sure the Jedi are prone to disfunction and infighting resulting in lack of action, but that's divergence if how to best fulfill their ideals. The Sith are ultimately a cancer in the galaxy, and the Force will always excise them when their tumor becomes malignant.

The Sith always defeated themelves everytime the would win the shoot themselves in the foot great hyperspacewar student kills master battle Meditation causing invasion Forces to collapse malak shoots revan down causing the Events of kotor... The jedi never defeated the Sith they did just hold out till they stopped themselves @@granatmof

Yep. The Sith could've just... dropped the whole "infighting" part of their doctrine at any time, but they actually thought their "master and apprentices kill each other" doctrine would make them stronger despite the fact that same doctrine had directly caused the Sith to fail to win against the Jedi and the Republic dozens of times. The Sith actually came very close to taking over the Republic and destroying the Jedi multiple times, but inevitably their infighting would cause them to lose. All the Jedi and Republic ever really had to do whenever the Sith got enough forces to attack was was play defense until the Sith inevitably self destructed. Meanwhile, the Jedi became more and more dogmatic and ridged over the millennia. They only recruited infants so every member grew up under Jedi teachings. This made it nearly impossible for Jedi to actually even conceive of the idea that their teaching could be wrong, and even if they did, they had little frame of reference to make any significant changes. The Jedi also became completely obsessed with keeping the Republic going instead of actually fixing it's problems, hence the Republic's eventual decline into corruption and decadence. All the "Rule of Two" Sith really had to do was take advantage of how the Jedi's teachings made them think and the corruption of the Republic to destroy the Jedi from within.

True. Revan hated the sith

This makes a degree lf sence. The first time ravan went to the temple were this holocron was found he was on a mission to find his weapon of choice. When would he have had time to contemplate sith ways and wright a whole holocron of philosophic and practical knowledge. When he returned he was a jedi with half a memory of who/what he was. His 3rd trip to the unknowns was with the intent to find and disrupt/face down the sith in the dark. When he had time to make plans and act on them instead of reacting to galatic events.

Amazing analysis...but I wouldn't say it was straight forward. 😆 Love the idea that the rule of two was revans plan to destroy the sith . Also the difference between the sith as a species and religion is an awesome detail

Rule of Two came very close to ending the Jedi, what are you talking about? It was literally down to Luke by the time of ROTJ.

@@vominomi it also ended the republic and the order of the jedi. Rule of Two won, even if only for 23 or so years.

it didnt it just prolonged their death, You get the rule of two If the sith will always fight only two sith fighting could potentially end the order even by accident.

@@jmgonzales7701 Their prolonged death destroyed the jedi order and allowed a sith to rule the galaxy for 30 years. It was also a near victory for the sith in the rise of Skywalker. They lost, but they came close to 10,000 years of darkness.

​@@darkwulf23The Sith Empire ruled for over 1000 years before its inevitable collapse by the Republic and they didn't have the Rule of Two then. Only a competent Sith Lord that managed to wrangle his fellow sith from killing each other

Especially if they sent the top of their class to find and kill jedi to gain the lord title. And the legions of lesser cultists/accolades

What fool said Darth Jar Jar isn't canon?!? Lol, with Sith arrogance I can't help but feel that there almost has to be another set of Sith or ten thinking they're doing it better.

The plaguse noval admits their are other sith orders alive and well out in the galaxy. They are looked down on, and are though by the banite sith to have not have accomplish much, but they are out their. And honestly what trillionaire conservative cultists have ever looked at others and been like, ya thems my equals.

@@user-kx3tw1gh8j The Rule Of 2 was successful and prevented the Failed Backstabbing Sith Culture from going totally extinct. You can't have a bunch of Selfish Egomaniacs in the Sith turning on each other every minute of the day fighting against a Organization Selfless Group and Illogically believing you could defeat them overall (Moronic). So the Sith within the Shadows using being Covert, Deception, Manipulation, Misdirection and Politic under a Survival Of The Fittest belief of only 2 fits them way better going up against a Organize Honorable Selfless Group that's in the Light. Plus only having 2 Sith truly using the Darkside made those 2 more powerful than any Sith. So I dont know what this Asspuller is talking about. The Old Sith was just more able to pass down knowledge of the Darkside among each other like the Jedi Knights with the Lightside.

Man was treating the Rule of Two alike to someone cheatings on his tax return. "As you can see the Rule of Two was CLEARLY upheld, we didn´t give the swarm of Inquisitors with red lightsabers and force sensitivity Darth titles, theyre unpaid Dark Side Interns."

Palpatine in his prime is supposed to be the strongest sith ever vitiate is just an example of how stupid legends power creep can be

lol is supposed to be but he isn't. Vitiate would wreck sidious XD. Also it could technically still apply that sidious its the strongest sith. because valkorion did not consider himself a sith near the end. (he was more of a force entity). And if one doesn't consider themselves a lord of the sith I don't think they are one since that aspect is more of a religious' belief. @@dadsback69

Not canon. Unfortunately.

What not coffee girl gofur or foloni boloni "canon"? Canon is what us real Star Wars fans believe it is and are willing to put our energy in not whatever corp slop they try to say it is.@@sudafedup

@@davidmartin5696 What's a real fan, though? Back in the day it was "Only the OT, anyone who likes the prequels aren't real fans."

😂 I can imagine after the Rise of Skywalker, in the Sith Netherworld: Palpatine: ahh, my predecessors. It is an honor to finally meet you all. Ancient sith: *cracks fists* what did you just say back there? "I am all the Sith?" Who do you think you are?! Palpatine: I... I thought I fought in name of all of you. Ancient Sith: Rule of two sith are Heretics! Shut up fool! 😂😅

Of what? He scurried around like a rat for most of his life, "ruled" for a few years and was defeated.

The sith's right-wing politics were their most evil and most effective tool

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