Yep and there was a split with there now being A Tong Soo do and a Tae Kwon do version

Wow.

I am from vietnam, well I hear the stories about Korean soldier was really good at that times, we dont kill each other with guns,we use martial arts,assassinate,melee combat.

@@malus1426 thank you. You say the truth.

@@malus1426, my brother died at the age of 29 from cancer due to Agent Orange exposure when he was wounded. His own government killed him.

Thank you Bill!

@Stephen Kim Tang Soo Do is just Karate if translated form Korean, even their Kanji are the same. Katas a well. Japanese taught it to Koreans during the occupational period.

@@joewillson3454 except for the black belt forms

@@joewillson3454 Kanji are not same. Tang Soo is 唐手 and Gong Soo is 空手. The fun fact is 唐手 & 空手 are both pronounced Karate in Japanese. Karate in Japan originally was written 唐手 which translates to "Tang Hand" or "Chinese Hand". It was later changed to 空手 which means Empty Hand which is pronounced same as 唐手 because Japanese wanted to erase the Chinese origin of Karate and make it Japanese. This was around 1935. Kwans started to emerge in Korea around 1945 and called their martial art Tang Soo Do which is a straight translation of the Original kanji of Karate. It is more likely that Karate(空手) and Tang Soo (唐手) has a common origin and influence of Okinawan Karate and developed side by side.

Tang Soo Do is so awesome! I learned about it becuase that’s what Cobra Kai characters were taught for Karate Kid movie and they even mention it and use in the Netflix show Cobra Kai which is awesome. I would I choose that,but we only have one good Taekwando school in my small town lol.

Realistically tsd mdk and other kwans are all kind of the same with nuanced differences

What an awesome post, thank you so much for sharing this. You have an amazing insight and such a great thing to have known Choi Hong Hi. I apologize for the pronunciation of his name, I'm still trying to learn a lot of words I haven't had much exposure to, but I'm making the effort to work on it. I found the Korean history of martial arts very interesting as I researched, such a rich background. So many people yell that I should have included "xyz" but there was so much to choose from, it was hard to decide what to keep and what to omit, which is why I made it clear that this was just a brief overview. Very impressive that you have had such a great and wide exposure to different versions of TKD and that you could see the art in it's full and talk to the man that it. Thank you so much for sharing your story :)

One of the rare benefits of being old ;) Yes I feel very fortunate, no small thanks to my late master who was a very open minded man that never tolerated attempts to turn martial arts into religions and political parties. Neither do I. And I can tell you I have seen first hand so-called masters trying to do just that. With all the history revisionists out there and those with agendas to promote their political and financial movement, I thought it important to contribute what I had to your own effort in trying to see clearly through all this "classical mess," to paraphrase Bruce Lee.

I believe you are correct. It is also my understanding that as of when I started training, in 1974, some organizations in South Korea were actively managing the promotion of Korean black belts and sending them to various countries around the world.

The story of general Choi learning from his calligraphy teacher takkyeon has been proven to be quite the opposite. The reason why he said that was increase the legitimacy of tkd as ancient and better promote it overseas in the 70s

This was the same history that was taught to me in 2008 by my Sensei about Tae Kwon Do. As I did my own research, your facts line up with a lot of what I researched. Thank you for this information. There is a blessing that comes with age and that is wisdom which you have. In my black belt in Tae Kwon Do I learned all 8 palwge katas then after earning my brown belt we did all shotokan katas (bassai dai, enpi, kanku dai, jion) then I learned Koryo and had to perform that kata for my black belt examination. A lot of Tae Kwon Do has influence from shotokan karate in our dojo.

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You are aware that Grandmaster Mas Oyama the founder of Kyokushin Karate was a Korean by birth?

@@supershooter20 Does that matter? Oyama practiced Shotokan and Goju-Ryu karate his entire life, before creating his own style. Its like you can see a lot of Spanish or English, or American Karate styles these days. It does not matter what nationality you are as long as you don't manipulate history and say something retarded like "karate came from Spain". Koreans like saying those things though.

I once asked my brother in law's Tang Soo do instructor why they do Japanese kata and he said Korean kata is TOO much for Americans to get easily and he mentioned the Japanese occupation and influence on their Police department training. 🐯

kata like 🤔

Tang Soo Do Hyungs based off Shotokan kata

@@sonnygallo5662 your brother in law got lied to.

Karate is an Okinawan martial art. Okinawa did not belong to Japan in the past When Okinawa traded with Joseon, it was influenced by Subok

Patrick Forsythe basically hapkido is the basic and intermediate level techniques of daito ryu aikijujutsu learned when the founder was a servent in japan. He claims to be an adopted son of the head of daito try but japan back then was very racist and nationalist and a samurai family would never adopted a Korean orphan then make him the successor. Him claiming they erased him from the daito ryu student scrolls is also suspect as the scrolls contain a few Korean students but no Choi yong sul. Aikido founders son says they know of Choi yong sul but he was just a house servent who came to a few seminars and learned some basics which were required for all members working in the household for defense purposes. Both aikido and hapkido contain the same kanji characters and both derive from daito ryu aikijujutsu save for hapkido adding a lot more kicks and strikes.

Hapkido is a more traditional from of TKD, pre-WT and -ITF

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DarkKnight2037 really not the same. In my system we utilize some HKD and it is more like Aikido in the sense it’s premise for self defense is often invested in circular movements, like Aikido, to use the opponents weight and momentum against them. Tae Kwon Do does NOT do this. It is much more linear in its attacks. It does incorporate Korean kicking however because this has become the one characteristic of Korean arts, kicking that is. Hapkido is beautiful.

Also Hugan Do as well

Thank YOU! :)

genernal choi was originally student of master hwang kee basically green belt level when he left he then got 2nd degree in shotakon style incoporate most of that into tae kwon do original,style

General Choi was taekyun practitioner. He was arrested and enlisted into Japanese Imperial Army. From there he was taught karate. He took the moves mostly the hands technique (punches, blocks, grappling) merged with Taekyun then called it TKD. After the war, south Korea hated Japanese a lot and called taekwondo a Japanese influence then removed most of the hands technique. General Choi was frustrated and brought his TKD to north Korea labelled as ITF. The south TKD WTF is more taekyun oriented.

what you fail say on general,choi he learned tae kyon from hwang kee was the chief tae kyon and subak instructor at that time general choi,was only trained to roughly green belt level he took the karate moves from shotokan i took originsl tae kwon do from master dw kang years ago then tang so do learned,the info there if you wanted to,learn real self defense,you had leave,tae kwon do goto tang soo do or hwarang do because tae kwon do just a sport art

nomad terry - I totally agree with that sentiment. As a complete martial art system the commercialised Taekwondo world wide offering is often lacking. Focusing primarily on sport elements. It is what happens when you try to solidify a martial art under one banner KUKKIWON (HQ for TKD) and determine a baseline to comply to and skill set required - international sport. It is why I am fortunate enough to be training and teaching Hwa Rang Do in Australia - hwarangdo.com.au/ as a more rounded offering as a martial art.

I see it too, all to easy to get confused with the different versions. Definitely an interesting idea to unify the arts together, and cool to see where it eventually went to and it's interesting to think about where it will develop from here.

Where is your MDK school ? Who is your instructor? There are very few MDKTKD instructors that teach true MDKTKD?

@@tammm2015 K C Chung he's in Florida and I studied under his student Grand Master Osvaldo Casta.

Hwa Rang Do... Way of the Flowering Youth. The king if Silla brought together fighters from all over then took the best of each and created the External/Internal Hard/Soft system of Hwa Rang Do which was restricted to the members of the elite who served in the Army.

@robbie gareauThey are difficult to find but they are out there. Look for Moo Duk Kwan, usually they teach Soo Bahk Do (Tang Soo Do) but some also have Hwa Rang Do classes

@@awickedtribe that's a complete fantasy lmao

@@nikeimizhongtomasch1880 how so?

@@awickedtribe did you research the history of who the hwarang actually were? And when hwarangdo was developed?

i do Chung do kwan style, but we use WT uniforms. I think its shotokan based form, but idk

Could you name a few forms? I’m now doing Moo Duk Kwan, and we do Shotokan forms. I’m curious to see if there are similarities. Thanks.

@@mikemalone1236 idk how to spell them, but the first 4 are similarly named. They all start with (ignore the definetly wrong spelling) paulgue. I think orange belt form is paulgue il jong, but that could be white belt too

@@josephpruitt2067 That’s cool thanks for the reply. When I did TKD, we used to do those forms as well. Those forms were actually invented for taekwondo, then later, replaced by easier, Taegeuk forms. The Korean versions of the Shotokan forms are still used in Tang Soo Do, which is what TKD used to be called. Some forms she Ki Cho Il Bu, Ki Cho Ee Bu and Pyung Ahn Cho Dan.

It’s also cool to note that Tang Soo Do is Korean for Karate. At least the original way Karate was said before it was changed to (Empty Hand way). It use to be,(China Hand Way) Tang = China, Soo = Hand, Do = Way

Gruncie John. I too received my Black Belt from Duk Sung Son in NYC. I see Lee Won Kuk's name come up as he was the founder Chung Do Kwan, but rarely do I see Duk Sung Son. Maybe you know the name: Jerry Orenstein.

Me too. But we don’t have the same lineage directly, but yeah. This shit is badass. I’m from New York City 🏙️ 🌆 🌃 Our teacher had beef with a rival kyokushin teacher when they were kids, and anyways, they all knew Tiger Schulman when HE was fighting, so, the’re old 😅😂 But as for me, it saved me in a LOT of fights back in the day.

Nobody bothers me. ;-)

He even used the popularity of Karate to help gain students in America. Seems like a deceiving tactic, but it's one of the reasons why TKD became popular.

I heard jhoon Rhee learned it forms from a s.korean military manual.

Sensei Ken Agree 1000%!

@Beatflysforever Exactly! Probably a lack of education mixed in with pride and ignorance. Anyone who has studied marital arts knows that Karate and TKD are the closest two arts, in terms of technique, philosophy and the things practiced.

Since the Korean government has been involved they have slowly been rewriting their history to eliminate the Japanese and Chinese influence. If you actually follow the only documented lineage of Taekwondo there is no evidence that Subok or Taekkyon had anything to do with TKDs inception as all of the original Kwans taught a form of Karate, Judo, and or Kung fu. Since Taekkyon has never been well documented its impossible to prove any connection with TKD.

captain beaver_man the “tae” from taekkyon is about as close an influence. General Hoi added that to make the art distinctly Korean.

​@@captainbeaver_man903 If you put it that way Karate and all martial arts in Japan came from China but you don't see Japanese mentioning that do you? I guess someone likes rewriting history. huh?

Not exactly a folklore art, but certainly obscure... But, as a Taekkyon practitioner for 32 years now, I have yet to see anything resembling Taekkyon in TKD, Tangsoodo, or any other post-occupation art- which creates a plainly visible, if not metaphorical question mark regarding all these arts which claim they incorporated Taekkyon into them. I will be sharing more info with Mr. Dan in the near future. All founders of the Korean arts deserve credit and respect for their works, trying to restore the cultural mess the Japanese left them. Can you imagine?

@@docbohemian1328 Koreans are Lucky, thanks to the Japanese they have many new "traditional" Korean martial arts such as TKD(shotokan), Kumdo(kendo), hapkido(Aikido), Tangsoodo(Karate). Etc.

Wow 5 year olds are better at taekwondo than spelling. I aint finna pick a fight wit a toddler here soon. 😨😰

Fun fact, YES, Jhoon Rhee worked with Bruce Lee, but Ed Parker (Founder of American Kenpo) helped get Bruce Lee on TV and got him cast as Kato in the Green Hornet TV show :)

Art of One Dojo I totally agree with you on that Sensei Dan. In fact the late Ed Parker Sensei, was very instrumental, in helping Bruce Lee have a public platform, to show case his talents and as you said, to then catapult to fame and superstardom! 👍

Bruce Lee studied other Chinese martial arts such as Tai Chi, Bak Hok, and Tan tui, not just Wing Chun.

Phoenix Feather, I recommended itf taekwondo Wtf is fun but unrealistic,

If you recently started you dont know whether it's great or not,it is fun though,especially the sparring.

​@@scarred10 wtf man, why would u say that, what do gain in spoiling someones fun. I do find it great and I am allowed to say that. I dit Karate for 3 years and now I'm doing taekwondo and now I have bee doing it for one and a half years and I think it is long enough to know if I like it. You are a fucking arsshole

@@agnikaineverdies7646 I do wtf taekwondo, and u are completely right, but I did shotokan karate for a long time and I wanted to try something different

@@agnikaineverdies7646 itf is the only way to go bruther

I will be yes. I have a long list of topics I would like to do for this channel, and that includes several more videos like this one cover art, or art founders. Do you prefer it be in the same format as this video, or one that is told mainly from interviews (similar to my JuJutsu episode)? Since our videos are fairly new I'm trying a wide range of different videos to see what sticks and see what people would like to see :) Thank you so much for your support!

Art of One Dojo I'd be more okay with videos like this one since we can mainly only interview other instructors in the art compared to the founders of the beginning of said art.

True but many instructors know a lot of history about the art if we can find the right school. I am fortunate enough to be in an area where there are MANY martial arts schools of many variations close enough to explore, so I will probably include interviews when I find a great school with great historical knowledge as well as more videos in this format :)

Art of One Dojo That sounds like a good plan to me. =] Keep up the good work and thank you for such great Martial Arts content!

Originally TKD contains very powerful strikes punches an kicks

scw2007 one of the first things I learned about TKD is that for a traditional martial art, it’s actually more modern than judo or BJJ

The "ancient" history of TKD was fabricated as part of the proposal to change the names used at the time tang soo do/kong soo do to Tae kwon do. Partly as an attempt to unify the kwans but also to hide the japanese influence on the art for nationalist reasons. "A Killing Art" by Alex Gillis is a pretty good read on the origins .

tae kwon do means hand and foot way

I don't think there is much murky stuff going on there. Their marital arts derive from the Japanese equivalents of 70 years ago. Although due to heavy nationalism and revisionism they now claim that it was actually they who taught Japanese those arts. Madness.

@@joewillson3454 You believe fake news created by the Japanese. There is no Korean who claims that Koreans taught Musul to the Japanese at that time. However, Kyokushin Karate was created by Koreans. It also says so in the Japanese version of Wikipedia.

Nice, my Grand Master would definitely know Suk Chang, here is his link. I'm a 5th Dan. porthurontaekwondo.com/grandmaster-ho-yung-chung/

Hi, I liked your comment very much and it seems to me that you really know a lot about Taekwondo in general (WT-ITF). Could you please explain to me what are the differences between Taekwondo WT and Taekwondo ITF and what are the differences between Poomsay and Tul? And which ones are the most traditional? Thanks a lot 🙏🏻

What do you mean by no hwrang do?

He just copied and pasted from Wikipedia. This moron knows nothing. General Choi was a coward communist betrayer and had a shit form.

Even my style is WT

hes only ignored by the wtf which to me isnt even tkd.In ireland the wtf is very minor v itf, in my 15 yrs in tkd ive never seen a wtf school but in some countries its almost entirely the opposite,they wouldnt even know about gen choi.

In many ITF do-jangs General Choi is venerated to a cult like figure. Going way overboard in their adoration as far as I am concerned.

@@mck24601 I agree ,tkd never evolved to be an effective art because of gen Choi,he completely ignored the combat application of the art when instigating technical changes.

they're the same word. Tang soo do is how you read The characters for the "china fist" spelling of karate. Likewise Kong soo do was an alternate name used by some schools that would be the korean reading of karate as " empty hand".

Thank you!

Tang soo do has the same meaning of Karate " China hand". When Karate was introduced to Japan the characters were changed to mean empty handed

tang soo do means way of china hand master hwang kee was founder i studied it for 10 years

See also, on the taekwondo wiki: vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/taekwondo/images/6/6e/Early_Names_of_TKD.png/revision/latest?cb=20170204225943

Mostly Shotokan Karate and some wushu styles. Taekkyon is not a martial art, its a peasant game akin to British Shin-kicking game.

@@nikeimizhongtomasch1880 that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Taekyeon kicks are basically the kicking technique adopted by most martial arts. Karate and Chinese martial arts didn't have modern kicks until Korean martial artists influence. Check out karate or kungfu films before Korean influence. It's night and day.

@@trex1448 That's where they got you. Modern TKD kicks influenced modern Teakyeon presentation. Only one grandpa who knew "Teakyeon" survived, he was 80 years old and could only do basic steps and lift his leg to the waist level..so then..tell me, where do those acrobatic break-dancing Hollywood kicks come from? They were crossed with TKD to boost TKD's historical claims and to have Teakyeon demonstrations as a sample of a "real" thing. Next time don't claim about "stupidest thing you ever heard" without doing some research first.

@@nikeimizhongtomasch1880 you're talking about a teacher with actual formalized lineage. Taekyeon kicks were ubiquitous in folk culture. You don't need lessons from a professional to know how to play basketball. Go look at early Bruce Lee movies before he learned TKD kicks. Its a very clear point in martial arts history when everyone starts doing Korean kicks.

@@trex1448 Believe what you want, many Koreans believe that they invented Chinese characters and taught Japanese how to make Katana, so have at it. If that "teacher" has formalized "lineage", where are the documents? where is the proof? Why South Korea has so many re-packaged Japanese and Chinese styles under Korean names with 5000 year old "korean" lineages? While North Korea has only General Choi's TKD? Business, soft power, and tourism that's why.

I actually put "A Killing Art" as one of the reference and recommended links in the description :)

It's interesting about the Sine Wave motion. I remember my instructor going over it during one class, but never went over it again. It explained through when doing the horse stance. I think it was we started learning the Do-San form when my instructor talked about Sine Wave. Maybe it it's just me, but the doing the motion didn't appear to be exaggerated as much as generating the amount of power. And with the Sine Wave motion appears in many of the techniques in each of the forms, it just never appeared exaggerated to me.

@@ghost7524 I started the sinewave in 1987 after our group joined the ITF ,I always thought it bullshit from the start,it has no possible combat application,the again neither do the patterns as a whole.

@@scarred10 I could possibly see the Sine Wave motion as a way to generate extra/more power into a technique. The Sine Wave motion isn't any different than other types of motions that are supposed to generate power. The forms... I get what you are saying, I really do. But, they are just a way to help a student learn techniques and movements. After you learn then, why can it be that the student learns to adapt what was learn in a form in a particular situation?

@@ghost7524 the sine wave is different, it doesn't work as well as the normal methods of generating power and is entirely unworkable in combat,that what martial arts are about or else wed all be doing ballet.As for the patterns they're a complete waste of training time,nothing you learn in them can ever be applied to combat,unlike shadow boxing and shadow wrestling with are drilling the exact same things you already know works in a live situation. All training should be related to what happens in a fight or self defense,you work backwards from the fight to construct drills and scenarios based on reality.99% of schools dont do that.

Tkd its only one and its tkd itf which is the only one style who was created but as a result of politics was created wtf which is not a martial art its a sport as well as part of the itf who practice it as a sport so far the only one great grand master who practice and teach the real martial strategi its great grand master kwang duk chun who was a student of general choi he still teaching and he is a 10 degree.

tony k I’m lucky that I learned and know traditional TKD, it’s unfortunate others can’t say the same

Incubus do you do kata there or is it just straight to the point?

Incubus what the heck does WTF means

A name is soho bock and also tae beuck

Are you referring to General Choi? If so I did mention that Choi is regarded sometimes as the creator of TKD but it is heavily disputed. I tried to keep this more objective but the fact is many people argue against that as well, but I don't take sides on the issue. Tang Soo Do isn't simply a converted version of Shorin Ryu, it has a LOT of Shotokan in it (which in and of itself has roots in Shorin Ryu). It does have a LOT of Shotokan in it, but it also has some Kung Fu, Judo, and Daitō-ryū Aiki-jūjutsu roots as well. I'm not sure what you are arguing about Hwarang Do, I never said it was an ancient Korean art. This video was intended to introduce the viewer to the general roots of Korean Martial arts. I never said that TKD was the same art as Taekkyeon or 2000 years old, I was setting the stage of how Korea introduced their original arts and the foundation of their culture that grew. TKD is not a 100% original art, like most arts it has roots throughout a variety of system and ancestry.

You are correct. My own research confirms yours 100%. It might not be popular among some, but this is the truth. I’m an old man, a westerner, and lived throughout Asia for over 42 years

Thats a lot to copy and paste...

varanid9 k I was born in Ireland I was born in a Viet family with Viet parents and grandparents but all siblings born in Ireland

I'm thinking it might be a fruitless task to prove that any martial art sprung from nothing within a particular culture, and so is "owned" by that culture ... that it did not benefit from the teaching of any previous art. Ultimately, all formalized martial arts can be traced back to the techniques instinctively adopted by primitive ancestors who defended themselves with strikes, kicks, and use of weapons learned at the very moment a fight began. Things gradually became more systematic from then, with techniques both invented and borrowed as cultures interacted with one another. The physical techniques of Tae Kwon Do aside, it also teaches a philosophy and way of navigating life that is uniquely its own. Even with techniques paralleling other martial arts, the art does bear a Korean influence, just as, say, when American manufacturing methods were adopted by Japan, they ultimately were shaped into something new. I am happy to honor the Koreans for what they have done.

Right on the money, Korean martial arts didn't exist before 1950s. They had a good archery but that's it. no records of Korean martial systems exist in History, not in Japanese, Korean, nor Chinese. Subak was a name for Chinese system, ssirum is just wrestling not a martial art used for war, Teakkyun is quite new and it was a peasant game akin to British shin-kicking, it didn't have hand techniques nor weapon use.

@@nikeimizhongtomasch1880 absolutely, Korean nationalism gets in the way when looking at this topic. Original martial arts were weapon based, empty hand was a last resort and used for basic training

it was never only kicking but the olympics portray that message.However,it is not complete,its very ineffective as a way of training if combat is your goal.

scarred10 I disagree. As a striking martial art it is complete. The problem is proper training and using it in live sparring. There’s video of a sparring session on a KZfaq channel called “hard2hurt” where you can see a guy using Kung fu rather effectively. Now the kung fu guy did have a reach advantage but he was effectively using techniques from kung fu and using Kung fu almost exclusively. Yes some martial arts are mostly or absolutely useless but a lot of them just require proper training and practice using the techniques on resisting opponents. I do think mma is more effective in the sense that it takes less time for it to begin to work well for you.

...you mean like George Dillman, and his "Chi ball" throw of energy? I've never seen his techniques ever work outside of the "Bible belt" of the U.S. ...maybe ya just gotta have faith in it. 😊

John Santiago, those martial arts exists because a man named akira toriyama created an anime called dragon ball

Tang Su Do is literally the translation of karate do but using the original kanji for the Tang dinasty. Funakoshi changed it to the Kara we know today to erase its Chinese origin.

The sparring in WTF TKD was really the most interesting thing from ITF/Chung Do Kwan sparring. Not having your hands/guards up. When I started studying WTF TKD, I was one of 3 people in the class that had ITF TKD training, so we would be the only ones during sparring that would have our guards up; Now, that's not to say that the WTF didn't have their guards up wither, just not nearly as much. But, I never doubted the power of WTF TKD. During my first sparring practice, I sparred with a student who was 3 gups below me, 5 inches taller and at least 60 pounds heavier. I did a left stepping forearm block to his spinning right roundhouse kick. Later I had to go to the ER after class because my left arm was hurting bad. Had X-rays done and it looked like I fractured my forearm, but it wasn't. WTF sparring may look flashy, but there is power in it.

ghost7524 there is no doubt. The power is in the speed and looseness. Kicking Power in more traditional TKD is in the structure and pivot of the foot most often.

@@instructorlex8273 " Kicking Power in more traditional TKD is in the structure and pivot of the foot most often. " Definitely what was taught by my ITF instructor and my WTF instructors too.

ghost7524 yes but the WTF kicks don’t have much pivot too often. The foot doesn’t pivot because the next kick is ready and the lack of a pivot gives it a head start. I call this the half pivot and teach to do less pivot when another kick coming quickly is the intention.

You've said this twice now. Care to elaborate constructively?

Art of One Dojo I assume by the "twice" you meant the comment for Daniel. Much of what you have is nearly correct. It still has a bit of nationalistic views and feels like it was sourced from a Soo Bak Do artist. It's hard to properly cite things with Korean history. Much of it is changed, seemingly every ten years. And much of it could be seen as hate speech towards the Koreans. And because of the hate, much of the actual facts have been tainted as "Japanese racist propoganda." Especially anything written or said about the two nations between 2007-2011 when there were several internal immigration issues in Japan. While much of the hate out there was created by the Japanese history revisionist,[1] much of the "uriginal" and "koreationist" hate is valid. Most of it thanks to the Kukkiwon lying about being 2,000 years old and denying their Karate roots. Some of it thanks to Hapki Yusul and it's splinter arts. The rest of the hate is due to ignorance. Either because history books have a Japanese Nationalistic view clear of past sins, or because the Japanese fail to see why Korea would read Chinese characters in Korean.[2] [1]Revisionist as in they deny the raping of Nan King, comfort women, the oppression of Korea, China, the Philippines, and other war crimes. [2]Korea has arts like Judo and Kendo, but they read and pronounce them in Korean. Judo becomes Yudo, but it's still Judo. Kendo become Gumdo, but it's still Kendo. Just as the Japanese read Bajiquan as Hakkyokuken. And when pointed this out, the racist Japanese(there aren't many of them) claim that the Koreans should still read in in Japanese. Calling the Korean language the language of cockroaches. Blatant racism. -Tang Soo Do was the Korean pronunciation of the old Kanji used for Karate that meant "China Hand." Hwang Kee later changed his art's name to Moo Duk Kwan Soo Bahk Do when the Kukkiwon admitted they lied about being 2,000 years old. He did this to protect his copyright over his version. Moo Duk Kwan being the school, Soo Bahk Do being the art itself. -Moo Duk Kwan is the name of Hwang Kee's school. His style is Soo Bak Do. -Kong Soo Do was the Korean pronunciation of the current Kanji used by Funakoshi for Karate, "Empty Hand." -Subak(Soo Bak) is another name for Takkyeon to many historians who try to keep to the Nationalistic lie while also leaving room for plausible deniability. The real truth is it was another word to refer to martial arts. Much like Gwon Beup, the actual historical term. Currently, the only person to call their art Subak is the same man who invented the term. Hwang Kee calls his art Soo Bak Do. -Gwon Beup was a term used to refer to the arts found in the "Manual of New Military Tactics." A Chinese fighting manual used during the Joseon era. It was also used to reference Okinawa Te family styles that referred to their art as Kempo, such as Seiyu Oyata's RyuKyu Kempo/Ryu-Te. Not to be confused with George Dillman's fantasy bastardization. -Tae Soo Do was a working title for what we would know now as Taekwon-Do. It later became the name of a McScheme in Hwaorang-Do. -Taekkeon is a harder thing to dispell. It was certainly a folk dance of some kind, and likely did look like modern Taekkeon. The guy who "brought the martial art" back had the backing of historians at the time who helped him shape the fib to match a nationalistic narrative. This one gets the benifit of the doubt. But only because the documents proving it to be a fake had been "lost" to fit the nationalistic agenda. -It wasn't mentioned here, but Hwaorangdo is another popular lie that piggybacked off the 2,000 year old lie that the Kukkiwon use to tell. At one point, all literature on the Hwaorang pointed to them being pretty women. This was changed during the late 40s to mean "flowering men." And other narratives were added on to make them out to be Korea's Samurai. Except, Chinese literature still lists them as "beautiful women." Joo Bang Lee took advantage of this lie to claim his Hapkido was in actuality the secret art of the Hwaorang. Him pushing out this narrative gained him the support from many historians who prefer the pretty lie over the ugly truth. And if not for he and Henry(his son)'s McDojang practices, the lie may have never have been broken. Outside of students of the Shanghai University of Sport and other Universities reading about the hwaorang. And Japanese who wish to push out their racism who cite these facts with half truths. -Haedong Gumdo is another art not mentioned here that took advantage of the lies set up by the other organizations. A movie was later made detailing the history of the made up master the two founders of Haedong created. And if not for their greed in wanting the royalties, no one would have known they lied. Their Haedong was different enough from the Kendo(Gumdo) practiced in Korea to be believable. And the moves matched up with the grass cutter techniques found in the "Manual of New Military Tactics." -The only Korean arts to exist at that time was archery. And it was not banned. Martial arts in Korea was looked down upon by the Confucius based society as early as the 15th century. That's why during the Joseon era, the "Manual of New Military Tactics," referred to as Gwon Beup, was brought in from China when they had to defend themselves. *This is important to keep in mind whenever a Korean art state's their founder left for China for some reason related. See point below. -General Choi, Hwang Kee, and many others studied Karate. Some studied Shorin, some Goju. The majority studied Shotokan. And for those who left to China like Hwang Kee, it had nothing to do with them teaching Korean arts. He left to escape conscription into the army. Korean citizens were considered Japanese at that time. And Japan used the Koreans as bullet sponges in the infantry. -Each Kwan you listed are Karate schools. Most of them Shotokan schools. A Kwan is just a school, not an art. Calling them "Tang Soo Do" is the same as calling them "Karate Do."(See above explanation.) The schools were united under one name as Taekwon-Do. The man responsible for a majority of the uniting, General Choi, was booted because he exerted too much control over the oligarchy control and was thought to be a "Junshi" North Korea sympathizer. (You got most of this correct. But the history definitely seemed to come from a Soo Bak Do source. Every source has some bias, from Korean history to Japanese.) -When TKD first came to America it was just called Karate (which it was at the time.) When Rhee came, he propagated the fib of the art being over 2,000 years old knowing full well Choi made up that lie. A nationalistic lie told in an effort to sound "less boastful" according to the Kukkiwon. In truth, they did so because they were ashamed of their "national treasure" being Japanese in origin. And they wanted to sell their art to a Western audience. This lie, on top of their quickness to promote people in rank to propagate the art, is why the art was and is so popular today. -The ITF is just as guilty of telling tall tales to promote their art. Such as the story of a young Choi seeing a man defend himself with kicks alone. The main site now has a consistent lie, but if you read earlier biographies and autobiographies, you find discrepancies in Choi's stories. Most of his lies being about his martial history. Also note that in his history, Taekkeon was only available in scroll form. A scroll that mysteriously disappeared when people asked for it to be produced. And now it's an art that can be found rather easily. It should also be noted that the 2,000 year lie was created by Choi. -The 2,000 year lie is still being spread in some schools. As plagueful as the lie about a white belt becoming so dirty it becomes black. Not every school pushes out this fib, and a majority of Kukkiwon seats admit the truth now. But you also have people trying to claim that karate came from TKD, the opposite of what happened. People like that do not help to dispel the "Uriginal" and "Koreation" problem propagated in 2007. Same year the Kukkiwon updated their site, when Hondai pushed out a pure clone of a Honda product (who are already seen as a clone thanks to the names,) and the same time as the Korean diaspora in Japan debate occurred. When Racists wanted Koreans and those with Korean ancestry to leave. many pointing to the Yakuza to fake their reasoning. Same issues the USA is facing now with immigration and racial background. or what Europe is facing with the Muslim community. In Korean language, the letter K is pronounced with a G. Blame this one to early Romanization. Chinese and other languages have the same issue thanks to transliterist being overly complicated. Taekwon-Do would be pronounced Teh Gwon Do.

HsinHao Wang -- I don't know who you are but you have a good understanding of Korean Martial Art history. Thank you for being honest and knowledgeable. As you pointed out, Korean Martial Arts began in 1905 with the Japanese invasion of Korea.Your information is nearly if not entirely correct. The Koreans have made up lies about their art forms and styles and perpetuated the lies about them for many years. I have been aware for many years now about what you have said and you even went further than what I know. I started learning Japanese Martial Arts in the late 1950's. I had a very good foundation in Judo, Kendo, and Jiu Jitsu at the "J" Center in Gardena, California when I discovered Moo Duk Kwan then on to Tang Soo Do. I trained in Moo Duk Kwan then on to Tang Soo Do in the 1960's until I went into the military. I continued with the military style of Tang Soo Do with the Korean, White Horse Army Division, in South Viet Nam. There I received my first Black Belt. I was always interested in martial art history but all of my teachers could not speak English so I did not hear of these lies until I went to Iran. By then I had another Black Belt in Tae Kwon Do (Tested at the Kuk Ki Won) then a Black Belt in Kuk Sool Won, Kung Jung Mu Sool, Association. Beginning in the 1970's, when I was in Iran, I started to hear and learn all about the made up lies about Korean martial arts from the Masters themselves. They all were eager to tell on their rivals while keeping their lies alive. I learned about the politics and how money drives many of the martial art organizations. I got disgusted with this kind of crap and backed away from the politics, from the lies, and from the money aspects of martial arts. To this day, I am glad I did. The good news is that Korean Martial Arts has mature in to rich and effective Martial Arts surpassing the Japanese.

@Jon Heckendorf It's hard to piece a proper truth out of Korean martial arts because so many of the masters lied, bounced off each other's lies, and even had the South Korean government and historians backing them on some parts. And many of these lies have only surfaces within the past 20 years. And only in response to the Japanese racist nationalist wanting Koreans and Korean ancestors to leave Japan around 2006-2011. And stateside, in response to a fraud named Greg Park "ChosunNinja." And even then, only because of the growing landscape of the Internet. Some of those lies are still being propagated and created. The biggest offenders right now being Hapkido splinter groups and some Kyuktooki(sports fighting) gyms.

Good idea. But also please do not claim General Choi invented Taekwondo...and please add in the Kung Fu influence as well as Judo influence of early Taekwondo along with the Karate.

mas oyama took very little if anything from tkd,I dont even know if he trained in it,his main influence was goju ryu and muay thai which is it looks very different from shotokan and tkd.

Mas Oyama started with Shotokan Karate and then incorporated other Karate styles such as goju-ryu. He invented Kyokushin base even before Koreans invented Teakwondo...

Why he came to Japan? Why didnt he stay in korea and study tkd? Instead of learning pointless tkd he studied karate and muay thai and made one of the best martial arts of today.

@@Kyojuro___Rengoku TKD and teakkyun didnt exist in Korea at the time when Oyama was young. He learned several Karate styles in Japan and combined them.

Kyokushin Karate borrowed Taekwondo kick, probably by Oyama's son, not by Oyama. Before the year 1955 Taekwondo was created, Kyokushin Karate didn't use fancy kicks like round kick, spin kick, axe kick etc.

It's definitely under consideration :)

Much respect for your experience, Richard! -- Todd

I completely agree, the Korean striking arts have been watered down for money. I admire your previous experience.

The tape is called a tip, you usually need 2 tips before you can move up a belt

@@jairajlallaramnauth8317.. three tips

Damn, respect, I want to go to South Korea one day, I have been training Taekwondo for a few months now, I am an orange belt, but tbh I am not that good I just want to get better, I love Taekwondo and I hope to continue it for a long time, God bless you.

What Choi Hong Hee said about Karate can be important, if he did not lie, because Choi Hong Hee learnt Shotokan Karate at the period from 1938 to 1943 in Japan when Yoshitaka Funakoshi had leading role in Shotokan Karate as a principal instructor. Choi Hong Hee said Shotokan Karate was a martial art which mainly depended on techniques of hands. What Choi Hong Hee said disproves the legendary story of Yoshitaka Funakoshi as creator of new kick techniques. And karate book[Karate Do Nyumon] published in 1943 by Yoshitaka Funakoshi with his father, Gichin Funakoshi, does not have new kick techniques which are often used in modern sports Karate. This book proves Choi Hong Hee did not lie.

Hi Professor Mike! You are pretty much correct (though I have not trained in Kobudo or Kickboxing) but I do have extensive experience in many variations of Kenpo, mixed with BJJ, MMA and now working in Japanese JuJustu and Judo, and hopefully adding Shotokahn soon :) I really appreciate you supporting this channel and I am actually touched that you watched enough and was able to jump in with a great answer. Thank you so much!