The Original Lesbian // Sappho of Lesbos [CC] [AD]

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Jessica Kellgren-Fozard

Jessica Kellgren-Fozard

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CHAPTERS
00:00 Intro
03:26 Sappho: The Original Lesbian
05:32 Who was Sappho?
11:02 Compulsory Heterosexuality
14:20 Iconography
17:08 Natalie Barney
19:36 Conclusion
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@mandipandi303
@mandipandi303 2 жыл бұрын
Homophobic historians claiming Sappho was straight is simultaneously so hilarious and so infuriating.
@TamaNegi-el9yd
@TamaNegi-el9yd 2 жыл бұрын
That’s why they gave her Penis, from the island of men. The manliest man, a man with a penis from man Island could be 😅😂
@Kris-wo4pj
@Kris-wo4pj 2 жыл бұрын
It was the original gal with pals and why reddit has a community called sappho and her friend/pal
@kalebh3419
@kalebh3419 2 жыл бұрын
The way historians and academia perpetuate this lie that homosexuality is a modern western invention is honestly so sinister...
@ReptilianTeaDrinker
@ReptilianTeaDrinker 2 жыл бұрын
@@kalebh3419 True. It's quite scary, honestly. The fact they try to lie and also deny that homosexuality has been a thing for a LONG time is really sus of them and of course, super homophobic.
@gmiill
@gmiill 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's kinda like you don't know if you should be worried about their level of intelligence or terrified they'd burn you at the stake if they had a chance. Tbh it normally comes out to be both sides lmao
@thelittlestpika
@thelittlestpika 2 жыл бұрын
Historians are always like "THERE HAS TO BE A HETEROSEXUAL EXPLANATION FOR THIS."
@solsystem1342
@solsystem1342 2 жыл бұрын
There really isn't
@gokuscalves2102
@gokuscalves2102 2 жыл бұрын
Historians: *frantically searching for anything VAUGELY straight* c'moon *c'moon*
@G1NZOU
@G1NZOU 2 жыл бұрын
"Oh my god, they were roommates"
@kitkatmelon
@kitkatmelon Жыл бұрын
And yet... There somehow never is...
@supersheep6486
@supersheep6486 Жыл бұрын
In a good way or a bad way
@lefthanddontknow673
@lefthanddontknow673 2 жыл бұрын
Re: Being described as having "violet" hair. Violet in ye olde days wasn't a word for purple, it was a word for blue. One with violet hair would have the classically 'true black' blue-black hair that was so coveted compared to brown-black hair.
@nevadag606
@nevadag606 2 жыл бұрын
Still cool though 👀👀 Greeks didn’t have a word for blue so it makes sense that they would give it a different description.
@littlepixieme1
@littlepixieme1 2 жыл бұрын
That was my theory too!
@jumpingnought
@jumpingnought 2 жыл бұрын
Hooray you've said the thing I was coming to say, but could remember the correct examples for. All I could remember was wine-dark sea, which wasn't connecting to an actual hair colour for me! :)
@pattheplanter
@pattheplanter 2 жыл бұрын
@@nevadag606 Well, apart from, in alphabetical order, the ancient Greek words for blue: γλαυκός (blue-grey or blue-green), καλάινος (iridescent blue-green), κυανεος (dark blue), οὐράνιος (sky-blue), ὑπερκυάνεος (very dark blue), ὑακίνθινος (blue) and χαροπότης (light blue).
@pattheplanter
@pattheplanter 2 жыл бұрын
Sappho wrote of violet garlands/crowns (στέφανοι ἴων) worn by herself and a gal pal, suggesting she spent some time in the violet season with violet flowers in her hair. Hence "violet-haired", perhaps. ἰάνθινος meant "of the colour of violets", which are violet and were violet then, in a non-Newtonian sense. Definitely a purple on the blueish end of the range. The dark-haired interpretation is from scholars with no poetry in their souls.
@littlepixieme1
@littlepixieme1 2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: older cultures sometimes used different words to describe colors. Ancient Japan didn't have a word for "green" and considered it a shade of blue. So maybe Sappho's "violet" hair wasn't actually purple? But probably was a dark color - I would assume raven-colored (as in, black but maybe showing blues, greens, or purples in certain lights?). Or maybe she was just super dedicated go aesthetics and put a shit ton of energy into dying her hair. I would, if I got thrown back in time. I love my crazy colors
@CM-ss5pe
@CM-ss5pe 2 жыл бұрын
I did a little digging, and it seems Alcaeus used the word ιοπλόκος (ioplókos) for her, which apparently was a poetic way to refer to dark hair. On the other hand, the word literally translates to 'violet-knitted', so it's likely she just liked to adorn her hair with violets. Lesbian cottagecore af.
@finchhawthorne1302
@finchhawthorne1302 2 жыл бұрын
This matches how my classic professor explained it, so while I’ve long forgotten the details I’m pretty sure your right!
@kiwiequis4144
@kiwiequis4144 2 жыл бұрын
Violet was referencing blue-black hair.
@pattheplanter
@pattheplanter 2 жыл бұрын
@@CM-ss5pe Sappho wrote in her poetry of violet garlands/crowns (στέφανοι ἴων) worn by herself and a gal pal. The word πλόκος (plokos) can mean a "wreath or chaplet" as well as a lock of hair, according to the Liddell/Scott _Greek-English Lexicon_ The examples given include flowers and herbs. I think you just solved it. The whole "dark-haired" explanation smacks of Victorian academic theory to me. Old men who had never danced with violets in their hair.
@antoniomromo
@antoniomromo 2 жыл бұрын
I believe the Greeks also had no unique word for blue if I'm remembering art history correctly.
@kristinelsenbeck3288
@kristinelsenbeck3288 2 жыл бұрын
“I’m a lesbian, and sometimes we just eat toast.” I mean, I know most folks here are probably LGBTQ+ or allies (like myself). But damn sis, YES. ITS 👏 NOT 👏 ALL 👏 ABOUT 👏 SEX 👏
@Ravenesque
@Ravenesque 2 жыл бұрын
**cheers you on in asexual!!**
@Andythenurse
@Andythenurse 2 жыл бұрын
Be good to see two people frivolously eating toast though.
@ReptilianTeaDrinker
@ReptilianTeaDrinker 2 жыл бұрын
As a lesbian myself, I love this. I am not a sexually active person and I feel annoyed when people assume all of us lesbians are super sexual people or something. It's infuriating. lol
@Haghenveien
@Haghenveien 2 жыл бұрын
English is not my first languange, I wasn't sure that "eat toast" wasn't an euphemism for something sexual, tbh.
@milascave2
@milascave2 2 жыл бұрын
Kristan:: And. here I was thinking that "Eating toast" was what young folks are calling it these days.
@ethemie
@ethemie 2 жыл бұрын
I had a Greek literature professor try to argue the "she could have been writing from the perspective of a man" framing and claim that whether or not Sappho was a lesbian isn't really important to understanding her poetry, and I genuinely have never had my respect for a teacher plummet so quickly. Also one of the funniest attempts to straightwash her poetry is that one scholar claimed that the lines "on a soft bed you let loose your longing" from frag. 94 were about taking a nap
@amandacampos5575
@amandacampos5575 2 жыл бұрын
I've read somewhere that she worked writing wedding poems from the husband point of view, i don't know if it's true though
@KalinTheZola
@KalinTheZola 2 жыл бұрын
I let loose my longing at least once a week
@Algo1
@Algo1 2 жыл бұрын
Like my Labour Law Professor who advocated for reinstating census suffrage. I almost dropped that course on the spot.
@diabolicaldebbie
@diabolicaldebbie 2 жыл бұрын
As a Greek, I can tell you your professor is wrong. Most likely because they were homophobic. It is the acceptable norm to say that Sappho was a lesbian and she had regular lesbian parties on the Greek Island of Lesbos, which where the word 'lesbian' was originated from . The island also has a statue of Sappho. Homosexuality was considered normal back in ancient Greece.
@stoodmuffinpersonal3144
@stoodmuffinpersonal3144 2 жыл бұрын
It amazes me that people think that makes more sense, than. Her wanting to romance women. I mean, yeah. It could be. Maybe he's right. But, like. Is that more likely than her just. Liking women? Is it really?
@woodscommaelle4401
@woodscommaelle4401 2 жыл бұрын
It’s not Lesbian unless it comes from the Lesbos island of Greece, otherwise it’s just sparkling homosexuality
@beeb6730
@beeb6730 2 жыл бұрын
Perfect!!!
@westzed23
@westzed23 2 жыл бұрын
Marvelous. 🌴👸
@taylor-
@taylor- 2 жыл бұрын
++
@memmermiller
@memmermiller 2 жыл бұрын
Underrated comment
@pookeywan
@pookeywan 2 жыл бұрын
This kind of stuff is why I keep coming to the comments section of videos. You might just find comedy GOLD!!!!
@Aima952
@Aima952 2 жыл бұрын
The idea that queer historians were trolling the people who only bothered to read translations just tickles me so so much
@nevadag606
@nevadag606 2 жыл бұрын
“Penis from the Island of Men” what a wonderful name for a husband 🤣😭
@thumaido264
@thumaido264 2 жыл бұрын
@@nevadag606 ooh, is it french? (sarcasm)
@WillowTDog
@WillowTDog 2 жыл бұрын
@@nevadag606 It just reminds me of a few lesbian couples I knew in college who named their favorite dildos and then referred to them by name as boyfriends. Which sounds super weird now, but this was the very early aughts, so most of them weren't out to the larger world yet.
@jumalAnni
@jumalAnni 2 жыл бұрын
Sappho might have been a stock character in Attic comedy (that of a horny woman 🙄) and Kerkylas of Andros might have also originated from there.
@erinhowett3630
@erinhowett3630 2 жыл бұрын
I was recently in a Starbucks here in the Deep South and they had a Sappho quote on their board. Either a) they have no idea she was the original Super Lesbian, or b) they were actually allies and were telling the LGBTQA+ community in a way most people down here wouldn't notice if they didn't belong to the community. Either way, I loved it.
@RebekahSolWest
@RebekahSolWest 2 жыл бұрын
That’s wonderful, I’m definitely hoping it’s the second!
@Angi3_6
@Angi3_6 2 жыл бұрын
What was the quote?
@erinhowett3630
@erinhowett3630 2 жыл бұрын
@@Angi3_6 I dont remember exactly but it was a really beautiful quote about her being away from her love and wanting to be with them again.
@Itcouldbebunnies
@Itcouldbebunnies 2 жыл бұрын
@@erinhowett3630 Was it something like this? "Come to me now thus, Goddess, and release me From distress and pain; and all my distracted Heart would seek, do thou, once again fulfilling, Still be my ally!" It's from the poem 'Ode to Aphrodite'. (Fun fact: Part of this poem was written by Willow on Tara's back in the Buffy episode 'Restless'.)
@heatherjones4034
@heatherjones4034 2 жыл бұрын
I hope it was code. We need more allies down here. Southwest for me but southern in ideology. 🧙🏻
@elleclegg2886
@elleclegg2886 2 жыл бұрын
"Calm down Victorian historians." The cry of non-male historians since 1910.
@savyjett
@savyjett 2 жыл бұрын
Came here to say the equal. 😂😂😭😭
@snuggiesful
@snuggiesful 2 жыл бұрын
What is does non-male mean? Are you referring to women?
@edcrichton9457
@edcrichton9457 Жыл бұрын
Victorian historians had both very vivid and yet very limited imaginations. So many historic myths were created by lazy white male intellectuals.
@woodscommaelle4401
@woodscommaelle4401 2 жыл бұрын
This ensemble is fantastic. Sappho would be proud 🥰
@jessicaoutofthecloset
@jessicaoutofthecloset 2 жыл бұрын
awnn thank you!
@rubigee4397
@rubigee4397 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Absolutely STUNNING
@erincarr9411
@erincarr9411 2 жыл бұрын
I swoon at this outfit and the goddess in it.
@alexandramaclachlan7597
@alexandramaclachlan7597 2 жыл бұрын
10/10 inspiration with this look Jess. I'm also a ginger with EDS, and I have been rather insecure about my decolletage until I saw you rocking this neckline ("Well, Jess is stunning, what's holding me back from enjoying a loose summery dress...").
@lakshantharindu3173
@lakshantharindu3173 2 жыл бұрын
Hi
@kriscormier9749
@kriscormier9749 2 жыл бұрын
"We're here! We're queer! We're historically-confirmed-to-have-been around-for-at-least-approximately-four-thousand-five-hundred-ish years!" Lovely video & outfit! 💜
@rarediseasepatient
@rarediseasepatient 2 жыл бұрын
The outfit is everything. Really, fabulous history video, as usual, and I know that Jessica likes her look to belong to the 1950s repertoire, but THIS period-inspired look....THIS. IS. GORGEOUS on you, Jessica. I found it difficult to concentrate b/c I was staring at you so intensely.
@teehee4096
@teehee4096 5 ай бұрын
Sappho lived 2600 years ago. Still a while ago for sure.
@sallyjordan4869
@sallyjordan4869 2 жыл бұрын
No one can wear a crown of golden laurel leaves like you, Jessica. 🎀💖🎀
@lindaf114
@lindaf114 2 жыл бұрын
This is accurate. I could never pull that off. She's gorgeous
@Rose-yx6jq
@Rose-yx6jq 6 ай бұрын
I love the crown.
@crystal95405
@crystal95405 2 жыл бұрын
I would love to see one on Alan Turing how was know for his Turing machine and played a crucial role in cracking coded messages from the axis power and is considered the father of the modern computer.
@chadfalardeau5396
@chadfalardeau5396 2 жыл бұрын
His genius was ignored for decades just because he was gay, which was a terrible injustice
@crystal95405
@crystal95405 2 жыл бұрын
@@chadfalardeau5396 I know, he was treated horrible and was forced to undergo chemical castration because he was gay.
@16poetisa
@16poetisa 2 жыл бұрын
And that terrible movie too...
@LynxChan
@LynxChan 2 жыл бұрын
"That is a niche that honestly....ticks my boxes" MRS. Kellgren-Fozard, such bold language! 😂
@archontiamanolakelli
@archontiamanolakelli 2 жыл бұрын
As someone who comes from the island of Lesbos, this video makes me really happy. :D I make a point to talk about this whenever there is an opportunity (usually when I introduce myself for the first time, it becomes a talking point) because even though I am not part of the LGBTQ+ community, I think it is really important to highlight parts of history that are often overlooked or intentionally erased in mainstream education. To this day, I am yet to find someone who knows about Sappho or how the term Lesbian came to be; I will be pointing them to your video from now on also. Love your work!
@ritajadil7933
@ritajadil7933 2 жыл бұрын
Jessica: proof that homosexuality is as old as legends Sappho from up above: I'm proud of you my fellow sapphic woman now I could rest at peace
@laurenconrad1799
@laurenconrad1799 2 жыл бұрын
Ah, the history books that list roommates. Tale as old as time. Reminds me of when I was ten and my parents finally told me, yeah, Robin is not Grandma's roommate. lol. (They got married in 2011 so yay!)
@alisonjane7068
@alisonjane7068 2 жыл бұрын
go grandma!
@klisterklister2367
@klisterklister2367 2 жыл бұрын
ah yes, good room mate best friend robin.
@RegstarRogstar
@RegstarRogstar 2 жыл бұрын
All the best wishes to grandma and robin!!
@ReptilianTeaDrinker
@ReptilianTeaDrinker 2 жыл бұрын
Good for grandma! :D Best wishes to them.
@ultravioletpisces3666
@ultravioletpisces3666 2 жыл бұрын
"They were room mates!"
@ZoeVictorias
@ZoeVictorias 2 жыл бұрын
"I'm a lesbian, and sometimes we just eat toast" is a phenomenal statement! I may have to get that on a mug 😂
@ZyllasAthenaeum
@ZyllasAthenaeum 2 жыл бұрын
Lovely video, and lovely costume! Thank you for talking about Sappho; it warms my scholarly heart. Sappho's poetry was actually my dissertation focus, and I've spent FAR too much time detangling silly myths about her. I feel inspired to do a deep dive on my own channel now! Suffice to say, YES she loved other women, and NO she likely didn't ever meet Alcaeus or actually know a boatman named Phaon. We don't even have real evidence for her 'circle' except that she seems to have had a lot of female friends, which, would be kinda normal? Also, Erinna was a fellow female poet from a similar time who wrote didactic epic rather than lyric poetry. No evidence they knew each other, either, but HUZZAH for ancient poetesses!
@sarahk8053
@sarahk8053 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome! I was a bit confused about the whole circle thing too. Couldn't find any primary source for it.
@naynerboppers5254
@naynerboppers5254 2 жыл бұрын
I genuinely believe that if you created videos on the historical topics/periods/places/etc that are taught in high schools and college, the world would learn and retain far more than ever before. I am so happy for your and Claud's growing family and hope you are adjusting as best as you possibly can to parenthood. You both are amazing mothers and I hope you both never doubt that!
@tanwencooper6928
@tanwencooper6928 2 жыл бұрын
Oh my god! I have that olive branch tiara too! I wear it around the house and it makes life 100 times more fabulous.
@kyivstuff
@kyivstuff 2 жыл бұрын
Quora says: “The epithet ioplókamos “violet-tressed”, e.g. having hair of a dark colour, is applied to the Muses.” [edit:] After further research I found that “violet” was also used for describing breasts, and possibly meant “smelling like violets”. So it seems more logical to me that hair and breasts both would be described as smelling like violets, rather than describing color. Or maybe, like Pat The Plant wrote below, it described flower adornments for heads and chests.
@pattheplanter
@pattheplanter 2 жыл бұрын
The plokamos ending also means wreathed or chapletted, that is, having garlands of flowers in the hair. Not sure about the authenticity of the dark-haired interpretation. Sappho mentioned in her poetry wearing violet crowns (στέφανοι ἴων) with a dear gal pal and Alceus was almost certainly referencing that. The Muses clearly also liked a few flowers in their hair.
@kyivstuff
@kyivstuff 2 жыл бұрын
@@pattheplanter After further research I also found that “violet” was also used by Sappho for describing Muses’ breasts, and possibly meant “smelling like violets”. So it seems more logical to me that hair and breasts both would be described as smelling like violets, or like you said - adorned with them.
@pattheplanter
@pattheplanter 2 жыл бұрын
@@kyivstuff Fragment 58, yes. iokolpos has several possible meanings, Sappho was, perhaps, being very naughty with that one. Breasts, lap, folds of clothing or ... look kolpos up in Liddell and Scott at Perseus. Though that sense may be later.
@malvinaghidetti3414
@malvinaghidetti3414 2 жыл бұрын
I just came back from my cousin’s presentation of his poetry book about his coming out, and he talked about Sappho too, so this video is fitting in perfectly in my day 💕
@millies2788
@millies2788 2 жыл бұрын
Awww good for him! Maybe in the future his poetry will be historically important to LGBTQ people
@malvinaghidetti3414
@malvinaghidetti3414 2 жыл бұрын
@@millies2788 that's so sweet, thank you! I really hope so
@claudiadarling9441
@claudiadarling9441 2 жыл бұрын
FYI, Natalie Barney wasn't an orphan. She inherited her fortune after her father died, but her mother Alice, and sister Laura, lived on. They're both fascinating in their own right. Alice was a painter for instance, and used Natalie as a model for Lucifer. There's a great book about Natalie her sapphic circle called "Wild Heart" by Suzanne Rodriguez.
@AetherHelios
@AetherHelios 2 жыл бұрын
I heard that "violet" was also a poetic way to describe black/dark colored! im not sure though
@lefthanddontknow673
@lefthanddontknow673 2 жыл бұрын
lol I just commented about this then scrolled down and saw your comment XD Violet was a word for blue way back when, so violet hair was indeed a descriptor for someone with blue-black hair, which would shine with that distinctive violet edge in sunlight!
@michellemurphy403
@michellemurphy403 2 жыл бұрын
As a straight, cis black woman i really like your series...it's interesting, entertaining and well researched.
@WandaMay22
@WandaMay22 2 жыл бұрын
For my LGBT choir's 20th anniversary we ran a composition competition to increase the amount of LGBT specific choral pieces and the winner was Three Songs of Sappho by Nicholas Tristan. Three of Sappho's poems set to music. It was challenging to learn, but a joy to sing. For some of our younger members this was the first time that they had heard of Sappho. There is a recording on KZfaq if anyone is interested in hearing it.
@PequenaNoobAmaPudim
@PequenaNoobAmaPudim 2 жыл бұрын
Yesss recordiiiing
@WandaMay22
@WandaMay22 2 жыл бұрын
@@PequenaNoobAmaPudim kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jqqqes6LqJa9qWQ.html
@boldanabrasevic3020
@boldanabrasevic3020 2 жыл бұрын
@@WandaMay22 That was beautiful, thank you so much for sharing
@sophbilliex2232
@sophbilliex2232 2 жыл бұрын
i did a whole presentation this year on sappho for my interview for teacher training course and i truly think it’s down to her. lesbians keep winning 💞
@kat_kami
@kat_kami 2 жыл бұрын
Ancient Greeks actually perceived colour differently from us. The most known example on record is Homer describing the colour of the sea as the colour of good aged wine. So, when Alcaeus said that Sappho had violet hair he probably meant something closer to burgundy or dark brown/black.
@sedona3663
@sedona3663 2 жыл бұрын
do you have sources for this? Because if so that is super fascinating.
@kat_kami
@kat_kami 2 жыл бұрын
@@sedona3663 I'm Greek so I've been taught about that in high school (we learn Ancient Greek actually) but it's been a few years. I've also read a very detailed article by a Classics professor: Can we Hope to understand how the Ancient Greeks saw the world? | Aeon Essays I've found these videos quite informative as well: Were the Greeks colourblind? - by Ancient Greece Revised Why the Ancient Greeks Couldn't See Blue - by ASAPscience Sorry I couldn't use the links, KZfaq didn't like that! I hope that helps 😊
@e.8977
@e.8977 2 жыл бұрын
@@kat_kami I also remember that Homer’s phrase “black earth”. Is this term still used in modern Greek?
@kat_kami
@kat_kami 2 жыл бұрын
@@e.8977 I am not sure about that one but we still use a lot of homeric expressions in modern Greek like "αιέν αριστεύειν" which means 'forever/always excelling', or "άνοιξαν οι ασκοί του Αιόλου" which literally means "the bags of Aeolus have opened" which can be translated as 'all hell broke loose' and of course the one's that exist in English as well, e.g "Trojan horse" (Δούρειος Ίππος), "siren's call" (ήχησαν οι Σειρήνες) and "Achilles' heel" (Αχίλλειος πτέρνα) and many others. Some of them have even retained their ancient Greek form and syntax and acquired and idiomatic quality like "Αιέν αριστεύειν" or "Έπεα πτερόεντα" ( which means something close to 'spoken words fly away, writing stays forever', equivalent to verba volant, scripta manent). I don't know if that's helpful, but I hope it puts it into perspective... Sorry for the long comment!
@RosesAndIvy
@RosesAndIvy 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think they perceived colors differently, they just named the colours differently. Colours are on a spectrum, so the way they are categorized differs per culture. There is still some debate on whether or not that means they perceive colours differently (i.e. linguistic determinism).
@boredgrass
@boredgrass 2 жыл бұрын
The way you give literally voice to people in history, makes their stories matter! Before our eyes you bring them to life in such a compelling way that they matter personally! What a joy to watch this intellectual firework!
@SamyTheBookWorm
@SamyTheBookWorm 2 жыл бұрын
Actually it was pretty common in Ancient Greece for women to completely expose their breasts in hot weather. We’ve got evidence of some dresses specifically designed without any chest covering, presumably meant to be for those days when your boobs become a sweat factory (at least those of us with larger breasts). Total Nudity was also fairly common in certain contexts, like public bathing and swimming.
@elektrakomplexet
@elektrakomplexet 2 жыл бұрын
Hm, that's something new. Female nudity was considered shameful and immoral by the ancient greeks up until roman times. Even when exercising women would not be fully nude and would never let men see them because of this. Do you have any source for this?
@duceagle6625
@duceagle6625 2 жыл бұрын
@@elektrakomplexet Greek women also tended not to spend a whole lotta time in mixed company, depending on their social status and city. They might have been boobs out in the women's quarters.
@miglek9613
@miglek9613 2 жыл бұрын
@@elektrakomplexet are minoans considered to be greeks? If yes, in some points in history (early minoan period specifically) women were not only allowed but possibly even expected to keep their breasts exposed at all times, hence why there are so many statues and images of women wearing floor length dresses with fully exposed breasts from the time period
@elektrakomplexet
@elektrakomplexet 2 жыл бұрын
@@miglek9613 Minoans are not considered to be Greeks. They predate Ancient Greece and had a completely different culture. They are not indo-european but Greeks are.
@salemsaberhagan
@salemsaberhagan 2 жыл бұрын
@@elektrakomplexet "not letting men see them" has no bearing on the acceptability of nudity in general. That brings a potential sexual aspect into the picture. India for example had comparable climate, light fabrics & flowing robes, & the majority of ancient sculptures leave nothing to the imagination except the genitals, but literature shows that clothes were being worn. People were just less uptight about letting everything air out, to the extent that colonizers called the native women sluts for not covering their breasts in the summer heat while the white men sweated in multiple layers of suits. Even today, you'll frequently find women & men sitting around exposing themselves to the air in private with friends & family, but they will quickly cover up when public decency demands it. The hot & sultry weather has that effect.
@izzylove8252
@izzylove8252 2 жыл бұрын
Ooh I’d been hoping to learn more about Sappho so this video is perfect!
@jerrihadding2534
@jerrihadding2534 2 жыл бұрын
Jessica, this video warms my heart and soul! Sappho has been one of my guiding lights since I finally understood that I am bisexual and your so non-judgmental, engaging histories are always a gift!
@sheilarough236
@sheilarough236 2 жыл бұрын
Don’t worry about butchering the pronunciations of the names. You’re doing much better than I would and I don’t have a hearing disability. Love your outfits
@SexiestPenguin
@SexiestPenguin 2 жыл бұрын
"Sappho and Alcaeus" she just looks really focused on his poetry. Which fellow artists tend to do when listening to a performance.
@Kottetota
@Kottetota 2 жыл бұрын
Jessica is an ABSOLUTE GODDESS! STUNNING! BEAUTIFUL! 💖
@katwitanruna
@katwitanruna 2 жыл бұрын
I started playing June’s Journey because of you! I’m at level 155 now!
@SallyMom4009
@SallyMom4009 2 жыл бұрын
I play everyday on an awesome team!
@alisakomendova3514
@alisakomendova3514 2 жыл бұрын
Regarding the whole AD/BC - CE/BCE: 1) I recently had to google it cuz I was utterly confused 2) In my native language (Czech) we simply call it "before/after our counting of time" and I really appreciate that now :D
@Marskilius
@Marskilius 2 жыл бұрын
Same here in Finland. Just keep it simple folks 😆
@AV-we6wo
@AV-we6wo 2 жыл бұрын
We have the same expression in Germany 'vor/nach Beginn der Zeitrechnung', but I think the more popular phrase is 'vor/nach Christus', generally abbreviated v.Chr./n.Chr., so you would see e.g. 100 v.Chr. / 100 n.Chr.
@alisakomendova3514
@alisakomendova3514 2 жыл бұрын
@@Marskilius still to this day, after almost 15 years of living in Finland, I'm amazed how many things we say the same way :D
@alisakomendova3514
@alisakomendova3514 2 жыл бұрын
@@AV-we6wo Considering how much German language influenced Czech, this doesn't surprise me at all. 👍
@kolmkilpkonna
@kolmkilpkonna 2 жыл бұрын
@@Marskilius Same for Estonia, the before/after Crist has been used in the past and I guess still in religious texts but nowhere else now...
@tanya292
@tanya292 2 жыл бұрын
You look so pretty, it’s insane.
@kermitdafrog444
@kermitdafrog444 2 жыл бұрын
I studied classics and loved this video. I've had teachers tell the class "she's not really a lesbian" and it pisses me off. It's because they studied when the fake husband script was the prominent theory
@Noel.Chmielowiec
@Noel.Chmielowiec 2 жыл бұрын
This dress is making you look fabulous! I absolutely love how sassy you are when you're tired 😂 EDIT: as a pansexual woman married to a man I can put my two hands up, why the default couldn't be any other sexuality, was there someone who decided that? May I have a second to talk with their ghost? It will be peaceful. Or maybe not.
@ixykix
@ixykix 2 жыл бұрын
agreed! (another pan married to a man)
@missnaomi613
@missnaomi613 2 жыл бұрын
I had a vague awareness, long before realizing that I'm bi, that being not 100% heterosexual was probably the actual norm. (I'm very into science fiction, and it's a detail that has casually come up in more stories than I can count. And some of the best science fiction writers have been actual scientists! I knew this before learning about straight-washing of history.)
@skeletoninadress
@skeletoninadress 2 жыл бұрын
The amount of work you do despite your chronic fatigue is incredible, thank you for another fantastic video!
@YuliaAstrea
@YuliaAstrea 2 жыл бұрын
This is the video all the wlw have been waiting for!
@gaynoradams3596
@gaynoradams3596 2 жыл бұрын
I love your story telling Jessica. Especially when it is "Salty". Great story.
@claudiadarling9441
@claudiadarling9441 2 жыл бұрын
Salty Jessica is my favorite Jessica.
@gozerthegozarian9500
@gozerthegozarian9500 2 жыл бұрын
The bit about "purple hair" probably means that her hair was that kind of black that has a blue-ish shimmer. The ancient Greeks were a bit weird when it comes to describing colours, there are references in old texts to the "wine-coloured" sea... 🤷‍♀️
@bchpls24
@bchpls24 2 жыл бұрын
just broke up with my gf. watching this kinda helps to get her off my mind..
@ashwee9053
@ashwee9053 2 жыл бұрын
Oof, we've all been there. Things will get better rather soon!
@RebekahSolWest
@RebekahSolWest 2 жыл бұрын
Hope you feel better soon
@DieAlteistwiederda
@DieAlteistwiederda 2 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry and hope you are still doing well all things considered. Do some self care but also let yourself feel whatever you need to feel right now.
@RebekahSolWest
@RebekahSolWest 2 жыл бұрын
@@DieAlteistwiederda wonderfully stated
@jerrihadding2534
@jerrihadding2534 2 жыл бұрын
Sending you loving hugs!
@LiviLaree
@LiviLaree 2 жыл бұрын
Loved this video ^-^ Highly recommend the book Sapphistries for anyone interested in delving more into this topic and also a history of love between women.
@therearetwols
@therearetwols 2 жыл бұрын
Jessica looks so flawless and regal in this video and I LOVE it
@katrinka9781
@katrinka9781 Жыл бұрын
Your Sappho costume is absolutely delightful! That crown is just *chief kiss*
@ErikaDraeug
@ErikaDraeug 2 жыл бұрын
I'm so in love with this dress! Thank you, I learned a lot about Sappho!
@raccoontrashpanda1467
@raccoontrashpanda1467 2 жыл бұрын
The words used for colours have changed meaning a lot over time and between cultures. Homer wrote of a "wine dark sea", the sea wasn't really the colour of wine, that was just what they called it.
@erinzimmerman7953
@erinzimmerman7953 2 жыл бұрын
The vibe when you say "Do we care?" is impeccable. I also love your diadem (tiara?), hair, and dress!
@Auburnleavesfall
@Auburnleavesfall 2 жыл бұрын
I'll know I've reached the peak of my transition when I can throw on an ancient Greek inspired gown and sprawl myself upon a piece of long furniture as elegantly as you can Jessica ♥️
@artemisiasage520
@artemisiasage520 2 жыл бұрын
Um, can we just appreciate how good Jessica looks here?
@cheesecakelasagna
@cheesecakelasagna 2 жыл бұрын
15:43 This might be the first time I've ever witness Jessica and anime in the same context. I love it! Also, "stonk" at 17:30!
@orangeflyingrose
@orangeflyingrose 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely love the hair and tiara and love the dress and the whole ensemble is just FABULOUS 👌
@marikotrue3488
@marikotrue3488 2 жыл бұрын
I love these history lessons, so much more interesting than class ever was. The extra touch of dressing to the style of the era/person being discussed just makes it more fun. I used to sleep in world history class (back row end seat), probably a mistake then but I am awake now!
@complainer406
@complainer406 2 жыл бұрын
"Sapphist" sounds like it could be used to mean the same thing as "WLW": women who are attracted to women but aren't necessarily lesbians (e.g. bi/pan women are included too). It sounds like it could even be more inclusive of femme nb folks who don't consider themselves women. I like it!
@AetherHelios
@AetherHelios 2 жыл бұрын
Sapphic is already used in a similar fashion as well !
@complainer406
@complainer406 2 жыл бұрын
@@AetherHelios I've heard sapphic as an adjective that way, sapphist fills the niche of a noun with that meaning!
@AetherHelios
@AetherHelios 2 жыл бұрын
@@complainer406 nice!
@chadfalardeau5396
@chadfalardeau5396 2 жыл бұрын
It was a common term in the late 19th and early 20th century
@JuMixBoox
@JuMixBoox 2 жыл бұрын
Yesterday was a bit stressful for me and I can't believe I missed this perfect sounding video! I have been excited since you shared this costume and headpiece on Instagram.
@omiai
@omiai 2 жыл бұрын
first thought 'holy crap! Jessica looks absolutely stunning!' i mean, she always does, but she just looks...even more amazing today! you are just so beautiful! thank you for the wonderful videos and gorgeous style!
@emilijaperic341
@emilijaperic341 2 жыл бұрын
I love this series soooo much!
@def6415
@def6415 2 жыл бұрын
This look is EVERYTHING. I'm so excited for you to cover this topic!!
@AllyYoko
@AllyYoko 2 жыл бұрын
i can't wait for historians to find this KZfaq channel Jessica: Here is my loving wife, who I love romantically in a lesbian way, and our son, who we raise together as a lesbian couple. historians: Aww so glad this heterosexual woman found a girlpal roommate to help raise her child after her husband, Karl, unfortunately died before both finally found new husbands, also both named Karl.
@artsyebonyrose
@artsyebonyrose 2 жыл бұрын
AHHH YESSS I'VE WANTED YOU TO DO A VIDEO ON SAPPHO FOR SO LONG!!! :D I'm incredibly interested in her, it's one of my hyperfixations, and your historical profile videos always fill me with so much excitement and glee, so this combination is literally perfection for me!!
@birthe9439
@birthe9439 2 жыл бұрын
Oh my god, I'm so excited you mentioned the Suda because most people don't know that's the source for most of our biographical information about Sappho (plus her poems), however unreliable it might be. Also, I study classics in university and in last semester's linguistics class, one of the things we talked about was dialects, including the "Lesbian dialect" and every time I talked about what I learned at home, my parents would be like: it's so strange to hear that word purely refer to the island of Lesbos and not to sexuality. However, as a perfectionist, I want to add a few details. Sappho actually had 3 brothers (according to the Suda, but still). And historians and literary scholars do have a point when they say you should be careful claiming poetry is biographical because we know that poetry in antiquity, including love poetry, had certain tropes and typical names. However, even if the relationships in Sappho's poetry are not authentic, there's still the fact she lived with a group of girls AND the fact she wrote, as a woman, about her love for other girls, so it doesn't really matter if those relationships were fictional or not, they're still there in her poetry. The acceptance of homosexuality in her own time is also relative because lots of women got away with relationships with other women because people didn't believe women could have s*x with each other. The poem by Plato you mentioned, about the tenth Muse, is probably not by Plato, it's just attributed to him. Regarding Alcaeus, my professor literally told us last semester that he and Sappho never met, despite both being aristocrats in Mytilene in the same period, writing poetry (but quite different poetry, even though it's both monodic). Her supposed husband was Kerkylas, not Kerikles, since the Greek word κέρκος does indeed mean p*nis. (Andros is an actual Greek island, though, even if it's pretty much the word for "man".) Omitting the initial aspiration just means they had no H sound (neither did other dialects in that region, which is the reason the letter H was used for the èta and not the aspiration). Like other people have said, "violet-haired" probably doesn't mean she had purple hair. There's been a lot of debate on Greek colours because Homer described the sea as "wine-coloured" and ξανθός, traditionally interpreted as yellow/green, is used for human skin. So Sappho probably just had dark or black hair. Sorry about the essay (didn't mean to write so many corrections/additions), so as a bonus, I'm gonna say we only have 1 complete poem by Sappho, which was the first in the Alexandrian edition. This is the so-called Hymn to Aphrodite, in which she asks the goddess for help to win back her lover, but only in the 5th (of 6) stanza, it becomes clear that she's talking about a woman, and even then only because of a feminine participle. Naturally, because it's such a small thing, lots of translators and such have tried to erase the fact that poem is about a female lover.
@molk7447
@molk7447 2 жыл бұрын
I needed this. Comphet has been wearing me down. I genuinely was starting to question my identity again for no real reason except lack of rep in my life.
@xequth
@xequth 2 жыл бұрын
I detect some wonderful shades of Contrapoints in your pointed sarcasm this episode; the costume is clearly freeing. Love it!
@ValentineS97
@ValentineS97 2 жыл бұрын
my first middle name (i have two middle names lol) is sapphire, i’m a lesbian who was born in june (pride month)… my parents shouldn’t have been so surprised when i came out…. 🙃
@Smoochxo8
@Smoochxo8 2 жыл бұрын
the most beautiful, smooth, soft, sapphic video ever! seriously, Jessica, you did IT! much love
@robyn2124
@robyn2124 2 жыл бұрын
Yes! I’ve been waiting for this one and boy it was well worth the wait, I love the sarcasm laced throughout, definitely brightened my week. Thank you and all hail Sappho!
@katschen19
@katschen19 2 жыл бұрын
Goodness I love this video. The dress, the sass, the different camera angles! Beautifully made Jessica!
@siiri8902
@siiri8902 2 жыл бұрын
These historical profiles are probably my favorite content from you! Super interesting every time!
@tatianaleutwiler1867
@tatianaleutwiler1867 2 жыл бұрын
I'm just all in for Jessica dressing the part on the historical profiles
@sabsupsub
@sabsupsub 2 жыл бұрын
your greek muse inspired getup is absolutely gorgeous jessica omg and im learning so much toooo love your vids!!!
@katwitanruna
@katwitanruna 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve always heard BCE as Before Common Era as opposed to Current Era. I’m in the US.
@nikkigriffin08
@nikkigriffin08 2 жыл бұрын
I'm also in the US and am working on a history degree & have always been a giant history nerd, and i've heard it referred to as both so I suppose as long as we all understand the meaning, the semantics don't really matter. Although it would be nice if everyone just used the same wording, especially for HS kids who may get confused.
@selincaka2088
@selincaka2088 2 жыл бұрын
I don't know if it's the prime Sappho exposure, or if really is just the incredible cut of that dress, but my heterosexuality has been compromised. I've also proven one can listen to, respect, and learn from a beautiful woman WHILST objectifying her somewhat. Men really do need to get better at multitasking.
@melissam8939
@melissam8939 2 жыл бұрын
"My heterosexuality has been compromised." Lolol--same. I can only assume Claudia jumped her bones as soon as filming was ended. I love all of Jessica's looks, but this is life
@squeerrel-j
@squeerrel-j 2 жыл бұрын
...you don't have to objectify someone to admire their looks or sex appeal
@ReptilianTeaDrinker
@ReptilianTeaDrinker 2 жыл бұрын
@@squeerrel-j True.
@selincaka2088
@selincaka2088 2 жыл бұрын
@@squeerrel-j Fair. That is fair.
@mellie4174
@mellie4174 2 жыл бұрын
@@squeerrel-j yes! This is what men have never understood a person can be simultaneously sexy and smart. Women don't have to be reduced down only to thier sex appeal and the gratification that men get from that. This is the definition objectification- making someone's value be only in the sexual pleasure you can take from them. Clearly if you are learning from her and value that about her in addition to admiring her sexyness you are not objectifying her, at least not to my mind. And i wish mysogenistic individuals could learn that a woman is defined by more than her vagina or lack of one ( depending on if a trans woman has had surgery or not) and the sex that someone can have with it! Hello mysogenists we're more than just genitals!
@leahaurie-hontas4464
@leahaurie-hontas4464 2 жыл бұрын
your hair are SO PRETTY !!!! Thank you so much for this video !
@alecburrett7482
@alecburrett7482 2 жыл бұрын
That bit about her having purple hair, it is possible she just dyed it. But given that at that time purple dye came from crushed snails and was stupidity expensive, it would make her net wealth in today's money in the tens of billions.
@stellae.1745
@stellae.1745 2 жыл бұрын
SAPPHO! YES! And the dress suits you so nicely
@simongaudin2506
@simongaudin2506 2 жыл бұрын
Great to see you back
@Kindofalot
@Kindofalot 2 жыл бұрын
I thoroughly enjoyed this😊 The pictures, the history, the comments, your outfit. It was all SO GOOD! I learned a lot, thank you. Also, congrats on the award that you won! Well deserved!
@stephaniehackney6743
@stephaniehackney6743 2 жыл бұрын
I loved EVERYTHING about this video!!!! The message, the outfit, just everything!!!!
@manumachado08
@manumachado08 2 жыл бұрын
This is ㅡ by far ㅡ one of the most entertaining videos I've ever seen. Thanks, Jessica! I'm a big fan. ♡
@IndifferentIgnorance
@IndifferentIgnorance 2 жыл бұрын
Check out Natalie Haynes Stands Up for the Classics. It's a radio show/podcast and she's super salty about literally everyone in antiquity. Her episode on Sappho is brilliant.
@pattheplanter
@pattheplanter 2 жыл бұрын
This comment must be promoted. Everyone check out Natalie Haynes. Nobody does academic analytical comedy better.
@IndifferentIgnorance
@IndifferentIgnorance 2 жыл бұрын
@@pattheplanter Right! I absolutely loved Pandora's Jar and A Thousand Ships too.
@dracawyn
@dracawyn 2 жыл бұрын
I WHOLEHEARTEDLY support the decision to throw beautiful costume elements into your historical profile videos! ♥️♥️♥️♥️
@manuelamejiaarenas4960
@manuelamejiaarenas4960 2 жыл бұрын
your channel is the best channel on youtube i swear!! thank you for all the care you put into these videos 💕 sending love to you and your family
@marcotedesco8954
@marcotedesco8954 2 жыл бұрын
Whatever Alma-Tadema's intentions, I totally interpret his painting as wholesome admiration between colleagues, nothing more nothing less (which is almost the vibe I get from Alcaeus, who almost seems politely worshipful in that fragment to me)
@nunya2046
@nunya2046 2 жыл бұрын
Lol I am never disappointed nor can I get enough of Jessica’s energy and informatively positive spirit 😂❤️🥰❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️😍🤩
@HannaH-lm4cy
@HannaH-lm4cy 2 жыл бұрын
Your channel is where I go when I'm feeling down. Thank you for this amazing content!
@elisabetta611
@elisabetta611 2 жыл бұрын
Lovely as always, Jessica!! And that Greek ATTIRE suits you SO well, I am truly stunned. Your loveliness grows with every video, my dear!
@westzed23
@westzed23 2 жыл бұрын
I humbly ask that you do more presentations of these matters of history. Love the costume and the poetry.👸
@johnreynolds6074
@johnreynolds6074 2 жыл бұрын
This was another very developed and presented history video.
@niamh7047
@niamh7047 2 жыл бұрын
Your videos always bring me so much joy. Thank you Jessica for this brilliant video! So fun and educational
@tabbygale5430
@tabbygale5430 2 жыл бұрын
I continue to be impressed by Jessica's ability to rock literally any outfit
@Rithene
@Rithene 2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact tho, while Sappho was almost definitely a lesbian, "sapphic/sapphist" can be used to describe any woman who loves other women--gay, bi, pan, etc.
@nicokelly6453
@nicokelly6453 2 жыл бұрын
not so sure if you can say Sappho was almost definitely a lesbian, since there is plenty of debate on her being bisexual, and the term lesbian didn't use to be as strictly "exclusive attraction to women" as it is in current English, but she was pretty definitely attracted to women.
@elektrakomplexet
@elektrakomplexet 2 жыл бұрын
@@nicokelly6453 This. We should also not apply modern dichotomies onto ancient people since they would've probably not even considered identifying by their sexuality.
@ragnkja
@ragnkja Жыл бұрын
While she might have “almost certainly” been a lesbian (lowercase L), she was definitely a Lesbian (uppercase L).
@akuused
@akuused 2 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad to watch you talk about Sappho ! Her poetry is indeed very gay and we must honor the lesbian icon.
@cheesecakelasagna
@cheesecakelasagna 2 жыл бұрын
I'm super in love with Jessica's look in this video! The hair, dress, accesories, and everything! Reawakened my Greek mythology phase.
@LS-vq2or
@LS-vq2or 2 жыл бұрын
I'm pausing the video to say YOU LOOK ABSOLUTELY FREAKING GORGEOUS this dress with your hair color and the crown perfection chef kiss ethereal queen
@MichelleTendy
@MichelleTendy 2 жыл бұрын
Omg finally, Ive been waiting for this historical profile!!
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