Dude the creators of the Kaylons were an Alien race they exterminated after they rebelled watch the other seasons again.🙄🤷🏾‍♂️🙄

@@RoyCyberPunk It's just a fun theory. Time travel, who is to say that isn't a backstory cooked up so the Union would let them in the door. Gordon's Uniform symbol is two gears, and the Kaylons claim they were created by the Builders. Gordon wanted to live with his family, screw the rules that only seemed to apply to him. How might he see the Union? Heartless soulless? So as revenge he creates Kaylons. Heartless, soulless machines that act to the letter of the law with no deviation for emotion. Issac was a 'spy' collecting proof that the Union has rules but doesn't always follow them. This would be in direct violation of the 'Perfect Union' kaylons. And what did the Union to to Gordon's rule breaking family? Wiped them out just like the Kaylons are now doing to the 'False Union'. They could even work in the Evil Gordon had a change of heart but it was too late and the Kaylons rebelled and killed him. Would still fit the lore then :)

@@havocdogg We saw all their remains in the caves of the Kaylons homeworld try again because is not a made up story its canonical episode fact.🤷🏾‍♂️🙄🤷🏾‍♂️

It would just be nice for a Flashpoint Gordon....so I like this fan theory

Nice thought I like it

I'm a canine person, so nope.

@@guyincognito8440 Maybe in their case, they are. I know I am not pet ambidextrous.

Is it just me or did that sandwich look real good?

I hope Malloy and his family are still living in different timeline in the Multiverse

@@guyincognito8440 Never mind the sandwich. if the dysonium that was mined in 2025 didn't disappear (and that would have come up when discussing getting back to their own time), then neither did happily married Gordon and his family.

Well technically they should have died but got saved so they basically did not obey their own law

I agree. That's not my problem with Mercer. It's his inconsistent conduct and decision making for example, letting that infected Admiral go in episode 2 of season 3 and in _A Tale of Two Topas_ he disobeyed a direct order from a superior officer. (He should've been court-martialed.) That is not only conduct unbecoming, but completely inconsistent with his new: ALL IN CAPTAIN MERCER, mode. I guess the dude is bipolar. Frankly, I'd want OFF that ship. #TransferPlease

I heard Strange New Worlds season 1 is now over and Anson Mount is in a superhero movie--Marvel? Doctor Strange or is it Love and Thunder?

@@guyincognito8440 No, I am right, and you lack intelligence.

That's a fair observation for his actions in this episode but he's not consistent with his behavior.

I love this MERCER cause this is being a captain it's making the tough choices and sometimes u will be the annoying guy. That's why many people dislike cyclops from X-men. But he was 100% right. I feel and understand why malloy did what he did but he just changed the timeline and the original kids his wife would have with the jerk boyfriend would never exist and this whole generation, of possible important figures will never exist. Mercer first tried to appeal with this friend. but then he had to be a fully captain.

@@dark3rthanshadows Mercer is bipolar with his Captaincy.

they didn't have the disonium mineral when they first went to 2025.. so they couldn't get him.

Mercer’s behavior was in keeping with the story line. At the point of the encounter in the living room, Mercer and the other crew members felt completely betrayed by Gordon for not adhering to his oath. You could see it on the faces of all three standing in the doorway…they were *issed! Had he gone with them then, they would have thrown him straight in the brig. This betrayal, being a central theme of the episode from the start, opens the door for extreme behavior towards him.

OOOh I like this fan theory but I would actually like the crew to get saddened by the reappearance of the sandwich

@@Mango.L yo them not being able to keep gordon which in turn makes the reappearance of the egg sandwich a sad moment is bloody brilliant. great addition & I hope it's added.

Spoiler much!?!

They’d have write off the best actor. Or have their best actor wear a prosthetic face from then on. Gordon is arguably one most important characters. They can’t change it this much.

I think it's better this way. It keeps you wondering whether it was the right thing to do. If you see that all is well in the end then the stakes in this episode didn't really matter.

@@kobayashimaru8114 I get enough of that in real life. Sometimes it's nice to have an escape once in a while. Still, to each their own.

@@wanderer3004 I love escape hatches, too. IRL and in fiction.

Yeah, plus Charly and Isaac did a whole bunch of ripple effect stuff that was NOT undone (getting those Bikers' rides etc). So there's a time segment from the 6 month to 10 years on Earth Gordon that was not undone because the reason for their visit to earth was Gordon's message which he had not yet sent as of the one month mark. There's definitely a separate timeline with Gordon and his family still rolling on!

No mention was made, but they could get around the signal paradox by having Gordon record the same message and leaving a device behind where it couldn't be found that would send the message at the appropriate time then vaporize itself.

@@guyincognito8440 They seemed worried about creating a paradox, so I presented something that would prevent it. Doesn't matter if they used it or not. As for the bikes, they are loud and if someone decided to peek out the window when they heard two bikes get started and pull away when nobody had left the bar, they would have had two dozen angry bikers chasing them, which would interfere with the mission.

It would have been more Inner Light had they actually shown some of the milestones of Gordon's journey. It easily could have been a two part episode. The 1st one dealing with Gordon in the past and simultaneously the Union avoiding the Kaylon attack and battling them inside the Nebula. At the end of the episode, they could have received and decoded the message from Gordon and then dealt with the whole Voyage Home type issues.

@@victorpradha9946 Totally agreed. Sadly these types of two-parter is not possible in a current series environment where a season contains only 10 to 12 episodes instead of 24 to 26 like in the 1980s/90s 🙄

LaMarr specifically says "without more dysonium, we can't get back home from here" (21:40). Yeah, that's a Kurtzman-sized hole in the plot. This show is not perfect, but it tends to not make such un-forced errors. I do see at 55:15 that after Isaac reports that they have secured the dysonium that Kelly and Ed have that look with each other, which seems to indicate that, yes, they had discussed a plan before they confronted Gordon, that they would go back 10 more years and then presumably move forward, also using the same dysonium supply. They would have to take Gordon back regardless, but with more dysonium, they now have the option of going back further in the past which would be easier for all involved. While the confrontation would not have been necessary, it does some great exposition of the strength of the captain when he has to do something like this and the love Gordon has for his family.... unnecessary but valuable dramatic exposition that give some gravity to the situation and builds on these characters. I think there is no question that Ed was going to 'win' that fight using whatever means were necessary, no matter how sad the outcome would be. For some reason they burned out the time machine again (which thankfully takes this deus ex out of commission for other stories, until they 'repair' it again, maybe next year). It turns out that at 1:02:10 LaMarr does figure out the relativistic travel angle: "I'm a g-damned idiot". Why didn't Isaac figure it out? I have no idea. I suppose if he were queried he would replay that he wasn't asked... after all, this is the same robot who lived for centuries on that Kelly-world back in S1. Further, it gives Lamarr a chance show off as genius engineer he is with a mouth full of technobabble, rather than having the robot jump to the end. It turns out that Isaac did express concern for collisions with interstellar particles or whatever, so maybe he did not immediately think it advisable? In any case, yes, Isaac should have seen that possibility. Thankfully this story is strong enough otherwise to carry the day... the characterization is strong, the story is interesting. This science problem here could have been fixed with only some minor edits or insertions and the story could have had all the same dramatic arcs. On a whole other note, I was sort of expecting a Star Trek IV ending where the 20th century citizen exposed to 24th century events would be taken forward in the timeline... where Gordon's family would become part of the crew and travel forward. That could have been very interesting. "Lasting Impressions" was a favorite episode for me--it had so much heart, and I loved Laura! (But no comment on the Mochlans smoking binge... or the club-dancing--ha!) The presumption would be that, to allow Laura to come forward in the timeline, it would be because her life left little impact in the 21st century--no children, great discoveries, early death, etc--that missing her would not be a problem. Ed sure slammed the door on that "happily ever after ending" and I respect that, but it would have been interesting for there to be another family on the ship and to see Gordon as a family man who was 10 years older. Laura was not nearly as compelling a character in this episode, but she had already been fleshed-out so well before.

How do you interpret that look based on the posture with Gordon before and after the message from the ship? Again, the show’s not perfect, but easily fixed with a little more exposition or a little more suspension of belief which is required in all sci-fi. Indeed, these are the nits that fans pick at. I may not be right, so I’ll ask you to make a case. How do you interpret “the look”? FWIW, I also did not like the psychobabble about why the travelers ended up where they did because of their thoughts. But the most important part is that none of these factors really undermine the rest of the story. The characters and drama are strong and this storytelling error need not be a cause for discarding the whole thing. This is contrasted with my experience Discovery (which I unceremoniously quit somewhere in the middle of S2, cancelled CBS and never looked back) not only are the stories badly constructed, but the characters are unlikable and have very little development, and it is hard to care about what happens. I felt stupider after watching that stuff. And so, I do appreciate and perhaps agree with the criticisms of this show… there is a lot expected of it and it has done a good job in its three-season run, and I don’t want to see it lose its story-telling “credibility”. There is a craftsmanship and heart that I do see and appreciate in this effort, contrasted with the brain-eating zombie that official “Star Trek” has become under Bad Robot.

I don't think it'll ever go there but they could become friends in the end which is what Isaac wants anyway. I don't think Burke will be looking for a romantic entanglement any time soon not after the loss she suffered at least not for quite a while as she heals.

Burke is really the most annoying character in the show.

Alternatively Isaac will make a big gesture like saving Burke's life to show that he treats her like any biological creature despite of her hatred towards him, resulting in a character development for her.

@@guyincognito8440 I think it was kind of obvious given how devastated she was over the death of her alleged friend as she obviously meant a whole lot more to her and her death left her completely heartbroken.

@@wanderer3004 Maybe..but her dynamic chemistry with Issak makes me invested in her development

*Who told the Kaylon about everything? Location of the super super secret space station base, of the convoy with an updated version of the device coming, when it was coming, how it was coming, with it being onboard the Orville specifically. There's a leak somewhere in the Union, a big and dangerous one. Is Isaac telling them, without knowing he's doing it* THIS is the part that had me irked a bit. They left this entire issue completely unaddressed. Also, do we know that the fleet escaped the Kaylon ships by going into the nebula. Did they all make it out? Is anyone even remotely wondering how the Kaylon knew about the device or that the Orville had it one board. Is there a Kaylon spy aboard. Is Isaac he one, or is it someone else?

@@victorpradha9946 I feel like this will all be answered in a later episode. perhaps they do find out there is a spy and everyone suspects Isaac and attack him or something then we find out it wasn’t him and he saves the day. This could also be used to end the tension between Isaac and ensign Burke. I have faith that the show will tie up most loose ends in an interesting way.

Thank the algorithm

well the part of Gordon being in earth was kinda explained, he was with laura's phone so he was thinking about her and so on, its like the flash explanation of time travel he has to think where in time he whats to be

10 years not 7 years

@@adrianm9570 Oh is that what they said? Little flimsy plot device IMO but ok, thanks

@@Zubair11230 7 Years because he spent the first 3 alone in the woods

@@kobayashimaru8114 yeah it's very convenient but i don't mind too much they are doing great so far, and my dude Gordon speedrun in his life XD but i guess it's easier when you know what comes next. And also what happened with Lamar and Talla was a little weird with the shoulder massage and then I thought well that escalated quickly.

Yeah they say earlier that human decisions can create new timelines, so picking up Malloy from the earlier past created a new timeline, the old one continued along.

_Searching for Bobby Fischer_

It truly was a lesser twist on Harlan Ellison's "City on the Edge of Forever."

@@tmmartinesq.6216 I said the same thing on my review

@@tmmartinesq.6216 With a hint of "The Inner Light" with a happier ending for Gordon 😊

Seems like there's been foreshadowing (in various episodes of s3) of Finn leaving the show some way or another, but if TO:NH fails to get a 4th season what's the point?

@@tmmartinesq.6216 This season has been peak excellent. Why wouldn’t it get extended?

Hence, the McFly house making a guest appearance? 🏠

I don't believe in paradox.

@@guyincognito8440 yeah, that was covered in my last sentence…

@@guyincognito8440 that’s fair.

Cry, hunh?

@@PolCoUSA On the inside only, because I'm a MAYAAAWNNN!

@@guyincognito8440 Damn Kaylon.

@@guyincognito8440 Damn Kaylon.

@@guyincognito8440 WHOOSH!

@@guyincognito8440 Agreed except in the 1820's people back then would just assume that you are rich and don't know how to take care of yourself, but you're right if you started talking about computers and cell phones 200 years ago people would freak out, and know something isn't right.

@@guyincognito8440 You're probably right but then again this is why I hate time based plots even if it is cool on paper. With this episode they just explained a method of escaping now. When in a point where they might die they can just jump I don't know like 2 days to the future to another location and most likely the enemy is gone. So them disabling the shield to go in the future leaves a massive plot hole.

Where's Diane?

@@tmmartinesq.6216 Still writing her book.

@@tmmartinesq.6216 You mean Mary Anne? (At least according to Frasier )😄

@@LGranthamsHeir No. Diane Chambers from CHEERS. Did Frasier call her Maryanne?

@@tmmartinesq.6216 There was a "Frasier" episode where Diane wrote a play about her failed romance w/Frasier but she changed her name in the play to Mary Anne. Once he found out, a furious Frasier came to confront Diane in the theatre by referring to her as Mary Anne.

@@guyincognito8440 I mean, on the one hand you've got the love of your life, on the other you've got one-night stands... Pretty easy to pick between those two kinds of social interactions!

Speaking of music, I really like Benja TV's new outdoor music... It's fly!

@@tmmartinesq.6216 I like how you still use the word "fly" :)

If we get season 4, it'll probably be around 2025-26. I'd say it has a 75% of happening but that's just my completely unfounded guess :D

@@BenjaTV Some us won't be around by then. These movies and TV shows take too long to produce. Shocked The Orville didn't lose 98% of its audience. Maybe it did for all we know.

Mercer has a double standard, treats people differently based on rank and is a hypocrite

Glad Gordo called out Mercer for giving Kaylon Isaac's a pass for being an accessory to an actual crime resulting in deaths vs. Gordo's hypothetical temporal trespass. Mercer sux thus season...BIG TIME.

@@tmmartinesq.6216 Hear, hear!!

@@guyincognito8440 I don't know what he is like in real life, but gender swapping one kid that may have saved a life at the risk of all out hostilities with a critical ally that was done by imposing your beliefs on another culture that may have resulted in the Union, Krill and all organic life being destroyed? Not an even trade or comparison to this.

No that's not the BTTF house even the streets don't align with the houses across the road the real BTTF house is located at 9303 Roslyndale Ave. · Arleta (Pacoima), CA. yes I didn't believe you lmao.

Who wrote this episode? To borrow a phrase from Mark Whatney *THE MARTIAN* , they didn't exactly "science the eff out of it."

According to special relativity, time passes more slowly for people inside a moving spaceship than for stationary observers outside the spaceship. The faster the spaceship moves, the slower time passes within. If the spaceship is going at 99.9999999999999% the speed of light, outside observers will indeed see it taking a little over 200 years to travel 200 light-years. But based on Einstein's time dilation equation, people inside the spaceship will experience the journey as taking about 5 minutes. The writers of the episode had the general concepts correct; they were just off by 0.0000999999999% the speed of light.