Love all of those systems. One that recently caught my eye is Outcast Silver Raiders and The Black Sword Hack. Lesser known games but still awesome. You of course know I love Shadowdark and Knave though. Totally backed Dolmenwood too 🍻

Hyperborea and Outcast Silver Raiders! Though Dolmenwood over the years has been shaping up to be tremendous, too. Looking forward to finally getting my hands on the final product.

Oh yeah, I've been following Dolmenwood for years. Cannot wait 🧚‍♂️

Hyperborea is sooooo rad dude!!! I'll have to check out Silver Raiders

@@PaladinProse Outcast Silver Raiders has the very best introduction and explanation of "how to run a game, specifically an OSR game" at the beginning of its Referee's Guide. Some real great advice that covers a wide variety of topics.

Sensei noticed me! 👁️👄👁️ Thank you so much, sir. You (and Deathbringer) or two of my biggest inspirations on the platform. Your support means the world to me. 🤘

Ah professor Dungeon Master is here. I doubt you will care about this as I am just one person but I have wanted to express this criticism to you for a while. I used to be subscribed to your channel and watch your content regularly then you made a video where you claimed that BECMI and 5E are equally as lethal by minimally theory crafting Morgan Ironwolf in both systems. I find that ridiculous that in order to make that claim you had to ignore Fighting Styles and Second wind not to mention the fact that 1st level 5E fighters get their full Hit dice at level one, while BECMI fighters roll for HP. You call yourself Professor Dungeon Master yet you did not do the research or even prove your theory by running the combat of Morgan Ironwolf vs a hobgoblin in both systems in the video. I can't respect your thoughts and opinions if you're going to publish a video like that.

That's some spiffy misdirected rage you got there, Mr. BS berserker dood.

@@vincejester7558 yeah fair point. I think it mostly comes from my experience of running games with 5E players.

@@PaladinProse Cool! I've been watching all your vids. Just watched your review Crown & Skull. Really nice job. Filming mine soon.

Woah! I love your channel man 🥲 it's an honor to have you here. And yes, I'd love to hear more, that sounds amazing! Feel free to shoot me an email, would love to chat with ya

Love Cairn!

The price is free, so there's no way to beat it!

Good luck!

Just find something that is closest, and homebrew that which you want to change. Like Five Torches Deep, but also like karma dice and hero dice from EZD6, add it. Or start with 5e Essentials rules and add what you like. Like the crazy roll to hit and mishap tables of DCC or Shadow Dark, steal it. It isnt hard to do.

All fair points! Lots to love there.

There's always some stinkers in any community, and the OSR definitely attracts a fair amount of grumps. Glad you're finding a lot of positivity!

Welcome to the thunderdome! You're in for a hell of an adventure, man. Happy to help, and thanks for the support! 😎🤘

Thanks I started with Shadowdark, and its super easy to pick up. I was able to learn how it works in about 10 minutes. My only other exposure to games like this were Wargames.@@PaladinProse

As a stalwart OSE fan, I believe we are brothers

I really appreciate YOU! nothing wrong with having fun my man

One thing he left out, is that most OSR games have a vastly lower cost to entry than 5e. Many times a single book provides everything required to do everything (PHB+DMG+MM).

@JMcMillen I know I'm late to the conversation, but to add on, most OSR and indie publishers will also provide you with the pdf in addition to the print. Makes it much easier to get into and read in spare time when you don't always have your books with you.

Awesome choices. I love Hyperborea, such an awesome setting. OSE is just *chefs kiss* as far retro clones go imho

Thanks for the support, man! I agree. The compatibility of OSR stuff is probably its greatest strength.

Hehe that's awesome! I love Etrian Odyssey

Thanks for the kind words and the suggestion! I'll add it to my list \[T]/

Hehe nice ear! I love Etrian Odyssey. And hey man, I know what you mean. You can totally add a lot of OSR-inspired philosophy into your games no matter what system. But yeah, the compatibility and modularity between OSR systems is hard to beat and easily my favorite part about the scene, too!

I'm with you man. Like Paladin said, it's as much a mentally/philosophy as it is any specific features. I've hacked together my own Notion with tables from ShadowDark, Knave, Pathfinder, etc. What keeps me coming back is the ability to always be around to that toolkit.

Often Super Rad! Hehe, I totally agree man 😎👉👉

Thank you for all the support and inspiration brutha!

@@PaladinProse Agreed! Great episode man :)

@@Jdufore19 hey thanks so much dude! Having a blast, stay tuned for more

Compatibility is huge!

Hehe I love it when a fellow etrian enjoyer joins the order! Cheers homie, new content soon!

Right on!

Thanks for the suggestion man! Sounds like a fun video idea, I'll add it to the list!

We salute you! Thanks for the support.

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Say one thing for the OSR, say it's ripe with options.

That's awesome, Shadowdark really seems to be resonating with the community. Love to see it

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Woah dude, huge honor coming from you! Love your channel.

That's what it's all about man, rolling bones and telling tales!

All great choices, too many to fit into these goofy 5 minutes \[T]/

@@PaladinProse Was a GREAT video even if a little tongue in cheek - looking forward to Dolmenwood :)

Absolutely. I experienced that same shock after years of assuming 5e was the end all be all, because that's all I knew. The rest is history

I recommend Into the Odd. It's simply revolutionary. And not a Wisdom save in sight.

Haha, thanks man! I'm glad I could make your day a bit brighter. Your support is incredibly appreciated \[T]/

Hey Caleb, that's awesome! Thanks for sharing. And yeah, you can shoot me an email at paladinprose@gmail.com !

Yeah, I was thinking about mentioning Traveler and some other games but there's only so much I can cover in 5 minutes hehe. The classic Marvel Super Heroes game has always interested me. Would love to look into it sometime. Cheers, man!

Never heard of it, I'm gonna have to check it out!

@@PaladinProse you can find a free version on its website

It ain't much but it's honest work👨‍🌾

Absolutely! \[T]/

Cheers, thanks for the support!

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Hey man, that's awesome! Best of luck with your system.

Yeah man, that is the crux of it, and why I decided to make this video. At the end of the day, the OSR started out as a small movement of bloggers writing about how they were bringing back the "old school" style of play to their tables. As the years have gone on, the term has been appropriated by the community as a kind of buzzword, catch-all term and no one agrees on what makes OSR OSR. "The truth is that no one really knows, just don't tell the grognards I let you in on that little secret." As long as you're having fun, that's all that matters my dude!

Hey thanks!

It's just nice to support indie creators. I think the amount of creativity coming out of the Borg scene is really phenomenal

@@PaladinProse The visuals are what sold me initially, but after reading through it, I got another couple dozen printed supplements for it. Supporting indie creators is the only way to cut into megacorp profits and maybe force them to be less shitty. That or a good ole fashioned revolution, but one is more likely and more practical than the other.

There's just so many games out there, only so much I can cover in five minutes. But I've liked what I've seen from C&C!

Because you need to do your homework to know the basics about a subject. It's very hard to do that when you're spending your time reviewing Mork Borg and reducing lotfp as being just an edgy b/x clone.

Definitely a ton of value in Cairn!

Por que no Los dos?!

@PaladinProse Heh, I suppose that's the plan now. I'll have to play more OSE and Dragon slayer to get a further handle on style

One thing I may need to try using is that weapons vs armor adjustment table from 1st ed. Makes the weapons and armor have distinct purposes based on interactions

@@asimplethievingbat5978 that's a fun idea!

Dewit

I know what you mean about OSE, it should feels like the purest distillation of what "D&D" truly is.

Yup, it's definitely evolved over time

Nice 😎👉👉

Haha, probably never! I'm more focused on adventure design, personally!

There can definitely be some bad apples and grumpy grognards, but I think overall the community is a net positive, personally

In the words of William Murderface: "Pretty metal!" 🤘

Noice 😎👉👉

*hugs* to the Basic Fantasy community, you guys are great!

@@PaladinProse Thank you! I liked the video a lot. We're actually a pretty good-humoured bunch and we're happy for people to use our materials regardless of which RPG they prefer! Stay tuned for two brand new titles coming to print soon, plus some expanded and revised re-releases under CC-BY-SA.

Yup, they are!

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Thanks for your support my dude \[T]/

Nice, I need to check out Castles and Crusades sometime.

A cult of....fun!

And hey, that's okay!

True, but I do feel that's kind of where the unofficial cut off ends. Of course, it's all up for interpretation anyway

@@PaladinProse I agree it has many nostalgic fans. I just feel it’s the edition where rules bloat set in, with all the splat books. Thanks for the video!

@@maxducoudray oh yeah, it's definitely where the rules started stacking (I kinda low-key love 2e tho hehe). Thank YOU for the support \[T]/

​@@maxducoudray for me the 2e core books are the line of demarcation. Everything published after is post old school, including the 2e splat books.

@@donovanpeterson837 Quite reasonable.

No one really knows (that's the secret!)

Pardon my french but I prefer Old School Renaissance myself hehe 🥖

Damn that sucks

Most people in the 'osr' space are too young to be motivated by nostalgia. They played 5th Edition D&D and found it unenjoyable. Beyond that, it is a complicated topic. I would caution you against assuming that newer is better. Corporations capture brand names all the time, and their products are often NOT based on any sound principles of game design. We see the same thing in video games where AAA games are often unimpressive failures.

Genuinely there are two camps, in my brief experience. One is more nostalgic, opting for the same rules, art, style and philosophy all in a handful of books, rather than the dozens for AD&D or D&DB. These are your DCCs, your OSEs, Basic Fantasy Roleplay, etc. In the other camp, opting towards Mork Borg and Shadowdark and Cairn are the folks who follow the OSR in philosophy and general style, but do opt for simplified/streamlined rules. In the last year following the OGL stuff with 5e, I've seen an explosion of these types of games.

I would dispute "throwing away decades worth of learned lessons about game design." It first assumes that the OSR community ignores developments in other RPGs, which isn't true as many systems, including one of the first four, Basic Fantasy RPG, adopted ascending armor class. The advantage and disadvantage mechanic from 5e is a common house rule in the community as well. Second, it assumes that the "learned lessons" were good lessons to learn. Single family homes and running freeways through our cities was the accepted ideal in urban planning from the 50s onwards, but the past couple of decades have had us learning that both of those were awful mistakes, that are hollowing out our cities. Loading up character sheets with "action buttons" (defined skills) and various combat feats was a step in the wrong direction if your gameplay style is more oriented to exploration and creative problem solving. The OSR playstyle is more focused on exploration and puzzle solving than the combat heavy orientation of modern D&D. It prefers open worlds and player agency over narrative. It's more interested in the gameworld than in one players' singular character. Characters die but the world goes on. Basically, it is more "gamist" and "simulationalist" (at least from the standpoint of the game world not hinging on the PCs contributions) than the more "narrativist" leanings of modern D&D. (Excuse the Forge terminology. It's the easiest shorthand I know of to refer to what I mean.)

It is throwing away the garbage that is 5th Edition (and 4th edition). It is throwing away the 4 hour combat sessions (with everyone either tuned out on their phones or staring at their rulebooks thumbing through their 2700 pages of "core and optional rulebooks"), nerfed encounters so the characters ALWAYS win, instant and damn near never ending healing, and every other bit of the game designed for the participation trophy generation.

You're not only misunderstanding and ignorant of the OSR, but TTRPGs as a whole. If this wasn't KZfaq I'd address the things you bring up, but I'm not gonna write an essay in the comments.