that's incredible

An amazing lady like her lacked pallbearer? It crushed me when this happened to my uncle... like no one cared. Somehow this information has lessened the pain. Thank you for sharing.

You did good👍!!!

Small world! To believe she’s now with the sister he tragically lost. Rest in peace to both of them. Amazing you had the opportunity to meet this person

I literally spit out my soup when I read that you offered to be a pallbearer because I began sobbing. You’re a good soul.

People do not think for themselves. I sprained my ankle at work and had to go to the hospital. One of the team leads wanted me to call my boss and ask to leave TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL. Ummm no it's my medical emergency and I'll do what's best for my health.

I agree! Did they think the fire would take a quick TimeOut while the principal was informed??

​@Nojuan Atall Right! If there was ever a moment to act 1st and speak later I would say that would qualify

And ludicrous even

patriarchy is a bitch.

Didn't ask

completely agree, theres a few nightclubs in london I've been to where I couldnt have fun because I was too busy staying back out of the way of crowds and watching the ceilings for smoke. Some places are just set up so that you would have a massive crowd crush in the dark. I usually ask where the fire exits are when I enter a busy building like that

@@BenoitRAG3 I did though

Same but also with shooting, earthquakes, floods and basically Andy life threatening situation-

I've already planned an escape route at work just in case anything happens👀

The statement is correct.....all of the causes of the disaster were already known and were part of building codes. The fact that cities were not using these lessons and codes is what caused the issue. If there is any new lesson to learn it would be to actually apply previous lessons learned to all buildings regardless of age.

It's unfortunately unsurprising that quote is accurate. It honestly seems like half of the time he's covered an indoor fire disaster, at least one of the fire doors is locked and ends up getting people killed.

Saving money was only part of the problem. First there was the dumb rule nobody is allowed to turn on the fire alarm except the principal. This caused the first nun/teacher to wander around looking for him before evacuating her class, plus she never turned on the fire alarm. Second it appears none of the first teacher/nuns to realize the building was on fire knocked on any other classroom doors during the evacuation. Every class found out the building was on fire when they saw smoke of flames, so evacuated. Then the next class only found out when they saw smoke or flames enter their classroom, then evacuated. Then the next class only found out when they saw smoke of flames entering their classroom, so evacuated. Finally much later the fire alarm was sounded. I would have sounded the alarm ASAP. They can reprimand or fire me after the children are out. Third the fire escape was locked. None of the teachers had a key to unlock it. Maybe, only the principal did, and he was outside on the ground. If every teacher had had a fire escape key, they could have evacuated much sooner. Fourth the courtyard was blocked by metal bars. Fifth the teacher/nuns had no clue what was the best thing to do in the event of a fire. Other than tell the principal and ask him what to do, but he wasn't available. So the teachers had to guess. Some guessed wrong and doomed themselves and their students. Plus most likely the children didn't know what to do in the event of a fire, other than to follow their teacher. So any who were separated wouldn't know where to go or what to do. They probably hadn't been told about the fire escapes. If they had conducted even one fire and evacuation drill at any time, they most likely would have discovered many of not all of these problems, and the teachers and children would know what to do in the event of a fire. But, the one thing a fire drill would not have solved is the principal being a retarded control freak who didn't trust and of the teachers. In a drill he would have been standing right there to sound the alarm and unlock fire escapes. He wasn't smart enough to think about if he wasn't there when the fire occurred. So really they would need a different principal and then conduct a fire and evacuation drill. If they had done this, likely every person would have survived this fire, and it wouldn't have cost a dollar. On the flip side, they could have had a brand new school, with all the new safety codes, and still had 100 kids die. As dumb and as much of a control freak as this principal was, he may have locked all the fire exits and turned off the fire alarm's power from his office. If there was a sprinkler system in the new school, he may have padlocked the water to it off. Then told the teachers if there is a fire to notify him and he would turn the alarm power back on, and turn the sprinkler water back on, and unlock the fire exits. Then he will give instructions to every teacher in every class on which exits to use and where to go. If this sounds like a ridiculous exaggeration, too dumb to be plausible, just look at what did happen. It isn't much different.

@PlasmaStorm73 [N5EVV] Yes I agree with that. But I doubt anyone could have convinced this principal to leave them always unlocked. Maybe get locked from the outside, but always will open from the inside fire escape doors. But new locks would cost a little money and the guy running the place was a moron.

It's even more accurate when you remember that the Collinwood School fire happened just two years prior to the school being built and yet it was built with most of the same problems and had the same overcrowding of students in the name of penny pinching

Just a fyi, there is nothing "Holy" about that.

@@Joanla1954? They were literally just expressing their shock that this story was actually spoken on? What was your comment for?

@@Joanla1954must be evil to comment that on a post about someones passed grandpa

Ty to your hero grandfather !! My mom was a survivor so we have a spiritual connection. My ❤goes out to you My friend.

Thank you to your grandpa for courageously rescuing those children. I had a teacher, in high school, who survived that tragedy. She was a very tough teacher, but she had a heart of gold. I had her for honors geometry class. Salute to your grandpa, and to all those who risked their lives to help save others without a second thought. They ARE the true heroes!!

Do you think there would have been enough time during the summer to rebuild the school?

Even in the UK in the 1990s, my comprehensive school (pupils aged 11-16) had 'classrooms' in wooden sheds because the main school building couldn't cope. The main building was a straight line with three levels, a ground floor and two upper floors, and with two staircases, one near either end. Some of the classrooms in the top-middle of the building could only be reached by going through an adjacent classroom, with no direct access to a staircase. There was a very good fire alarm and there were fire escapes, but I remember it always felt strange to be in one of those middle rooms. It was about 50 years old when they demolished it and built a new school on the same site, I don't think there was ever a fire though, thankfully. But I'm sure some corners were cut to try and cope with capacity demands.

Thank you for giving this wider perspective

@@bobblebardsley Portakabins themselves may have been (and sometimes continue) to be a stopgap (sometimes lasting decades) but they're at least up to standard in terms of fire safety. Find me a school that's never had temporary classrooms. In any case they exit directly to ground level so there's that.

I mean basically, it boils down to "we don't feel like updating these buildings and finding some temporary place for these kids, we are TIIIIRED". Sorry, the excuse doesn't fly. Yes it would have been difficult, but being a city planner/leader should be a difficult job. It's not just some position to satiate the egos of narcissists.

And Devine had a very long life. She died in 2006 at the age of 100.

It was a consequence of the Baby Boom. The grandfather clause and the number of ankle-biters were both directly tied to the boom. It's another reason to promote birth control, access to abortion, and family planning services.

​@@petergray7576oh my gosh, amazing! ❤

Why the F*CK didnt the other two teachers warn the other classrooms? And why did they wait until AFTER they had escaped to pull the fire alarm? So selfish”

@@lingricen8077 They didn't just have time. By the time they realized they needed to get out, they barely had enough time to do it themselves. And the fire alarm could only be pulled by the principal or janitor, the latter of whom was helping the kids in the annex escape by getting the fire escape open. Fire spreads remarkably fast when unimpeded. Go watch the reproduction of the Station Nightclub fire, for example and see how long it takes for flashover to happen...

Not so different from what some US politicians want to turn US schools into now, demanding locked doors, all entrances (and hence all exits) blocked etc to keep gunmen out. Rather lock the children inside a fire trap to reduce the number of gun death in case of a school shooting than do something about the guns to stop the shootings from happening in the first place. And if ur in doubt, Im not American. And we non Americans look at the sh*tshow over there in horror. We have gun laws. We also have zero mass shootings and very few shooting in general. Not to mention FAR less murders, suicides and violent crimes per capita than u guys. But no, they still claim, its not the guns, even tho all the evidence 100% shows, thats the difference. So lock the kids up in their schools, so a fire can kill them all as a "solution".

A tragedy as great as this one always has multiple grave mistakes involved. So many things have to go wrong at the same time for so many lives to be lost.

It also sounds like there was a fire door on the first floor, but not on the second? If that was the case, the extra time might have made a huge difference.

It's the same with other places such as theatres, nightclubs, and factories where other horrific fires have occurred. It's all about control, trying to keep people inside to keep them from sneaking out without paying or to keep workers at their machines. In this case, I'm sure they wanted to ensure students stayed inside and didn't sneak out for a smoke or to play hooky. The owners' or managers' desire for control and not losing profits was more important than safety and peoples' lives.

I legitimately wouldn't be surprised to go back through all of the indoor fire disasters this channel has covered thus far, count up the number of instances in which the fire exits alone are locked, and find the result to be half or more of said disasters Capitalism only cares about profit, not human safety or lives after all. [/waits for someone to completely miss the point and think I'm endorsing communism wholeheartedly]

Do you think the teacher was trampling her and didn't realize it in the smoke, and that's the reason she didn't see her?

I do too but she can certainly look in the mirror and see a woman of valor.

​@@lionorlying4212 Survivors talked of how they could see very little due to the thick black smoke. The windows were also high off the floor, so many smaller children couldn't reach. All those kids frantically trying to get out those windows at once probably caused a huge pileup.

Yeah. She tried so hard to protect her students, I don't want to think about how awful she must've felt when she realized she was one short.

​@@stephw1702 do you think it would have hurt the child if the teacher was stepping on her?

Good for him!

Yeah, that's trauma for you 😢

My elementary school was built in 1923. It had a grand staircase in the middle which, while beautiful, was a fire hazard. It would have acted like an enormous chimney, sucking smoke and flames up to the upper floors. Sometime in the 1980s, fire codes were upgraded and the staircase was enclosed with a firewall. The school district is lucky it didn't learn the hard way, I suppose.

If that's meant to be funny i laughed😂

A lot of disasters have those little twists of fate. I watched an episode of Mayday: Air Disaster recently where a guy on a flight moved to the back of the plane so he could smoke (it was the 70s) and the plane crashed and the section he had been in was obliterated. Smoking saved his life.

@@MakerInMotion I like that show, where did you watch it?

@@travismiller4320 There's a channel for it here on youtube. Just older episodes though. They licensed out the episodes that don't run on cable anymore. The channel is just called Mayday: Air Disaster. There's a channel called Wonder that also has some episodes.

@@MakerInMotion thanks

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So sorry of your loss x

So sorry for your loss.

Thanks for the info.

Wow 😮

😮😱😳😲😯😮.

His real name is Jonathan Friga.

You bring up a good point. I remember, from a very long time ago, being nonchalant about school fire drills. We really should have been taught about some of these past tragedies. Might have put a dent in our complacency.

So true! I remember them in elementary school!

Shut up

I never learned about it in classes or from teachers in school in Chicago usually, but from older adults telling us about it outside of school. or the very rare Chicago history class that a few schools have. it's still pretty common knowledge among older adults.

We were never taught about it, but I learned about it when I was young on my own. Should note my elementary/middle school was also built in the early 20th century and while it has undergone multiple renovations since I graduated, I thought about it a time or two and if it could happen to us

Grew up on Chicago's north side heard about from my parents who were the same age as the victims they attended Chicago area schools. WTTW channel 11 used to do special tv show every year on the anniversary of the fire too

Which makes me sad for my hometown. Cleveland, OH had the worst school fire in the history of the US (175 dead) in 1908, and barely anyone knows about it.

I've read it. An excellent book.

I've read it too. As soon as I saw the video title I remembered. It's really a thorough telling and very readable. Especially I remember how it covered the way the fire devastated the neighborhood, which another commentor has mentioned.

I read that book last year. Heartbreaking. :(

I’ve read it too and cried the whole way through it. Some families lost all their children.

Read it too.

My grandparents were looking to transfer my mom to Our Lady of Angels, but the fire happened before the paperwork was finished. My grandmother insisted up to her dying day that the nuns made the children stay at their desks and pray with the only ones who survived being the kids who disobeyed and ran. She was iffy about Catholic schools ever since the fire and kick up a fuss any time I might've transferred to one.

My mother was a girl at another Catholic school in Chicago at the time and she instilled in me this distrust by telling me this story a few times. There was another story of nuns who tied children together on a boat wreck instead of letting each save themself that also left a mark. Grateful to this day for her wisdom.

It is not an accusation but a fact. The children who disobeyed the nuns in two of the classrooms and survived told what happened. One classroom that was further away from the fire could have had most of the students saved if they had left the classroom instead. Because they stayed almost the entire class died from smoke inhalation while they were mostly still seated at their desks.The other classrooms were a different story. Once the fire became worse they tried to save the students. Unfortunately the only way out was through the windows. Which were too high off the ground. One father saved many in his sons classroom. Unfortunately his son was too scared to jump. And when he came back with a ladder ,he watched in horror as the classroom flashed over with his son and the rest of the students dying instantly.

Don't believe that for a second. People nowadays are always looking for anti-religion lies to spread. It's not working.

Well, it's not like Catholics haven't gone OUT OF THEIR WAY to provide more than ample evidence that they don't care about children's lives when sh*t hits the fan. It's THE authority in charge to do everything or take care of countermeasures and NOBODY else... from the fire extinguishers secured out of children's reach to locking fire escapes to setting up a fire alarm that ONLY one person in the ENTIRE SCHOOL could operate... Tell me again about all this moral fiber the Christians are so proud of... I just don't see it. ;o)

Many of the children in Chicago, felt a lot of sadness during that time. I know I did and carved a cross on my wooden desk at school. The cross was for the lives of the children that lost their lives.

Shit show is good, but cluster f-k is better. These tragedies are so heart breaking, but God never said that life on earth was going to be easy. There will be a grand reunion one day for those God calls His own.

My dad witnessed a fire in a New Orleans high rise that had a beauty salon near the top. I can't remember if the fire started there but women were hanging out of windows and falling/jumping to their deaths. I was a toddler so I only heard about it decades later. and not real clear on the details. My dad never talked about it, but from that point on insisted that we never stay above the second or third floor in hotels. I can't imagine what your grandfather saw and dealt with. 💔

"concrete, brick, and asbestos" Suburbs too. I went to a 1960s vintage school in Palatine in the 80s. That is a perfect description, well, until they were forced to remove the asbestos. And those fire alarms were LOUD. Scared me a LOT as a kid.

Fire drills in my school were such a joke. We had advanced notice and they were only done in first period while were in our homeroom class which was the class we were supposed to line up with. We’d orderly file out, do a count, and file back in. Someone pulled the fire alarm between classes and it was complete madness. We had no idea what to do if we weren’t in homeroom, so most of the day. It’s just a good thing we never had a fire. People never learn.

I have a book just about Chicago fires that actually mostly skips the famous one in 1871 to concentrate on all of the others. It’s not a short book.

​@@kathyastrom1315 May I ask for the title and author if you have a moment? Much appreciated! 🥰

I find it even more sad, that the Peshtigo fire happened the same day(s) as the famous 1871 Chicago fire and was far more deadly, yet its been all but forgotten.

@@dfuher968 I believe FH did a video on the Peshtigo fire a few months back!

And serial killers Gacy, Hh holmes, Richard speak, chicago rippers…

I attended the reunion of my late Father’s WW2 unit the Summer ‘The Towering Inferno’ came out. Staying in a high risk hotel, I want a happy camper; the fact I didn’t like heights didn’t help me.

That's terrifying!

Grenfell fire.

@@jamessimms415 Yeah, that's why I HATE tall buildings and the thought of being any higher than a 3rd or 4th floor creeps me out. Why do humans have to keep pushing boundaries faster than our safety systems can keep up? I really wouldn't want to be higher than a second floor if it was up to me, and my ideal home is basically a concrete or solid stone (like carved into a mountain) bunker. The only wood would be in furniture, the only cloth a combination of furniture, my clothing, curtains, a few spot rugs, spare bedding, and whatever I might have on hand for sewing in this fictional scenario. Concrete and stone don't burn well, and my hatred of wall-to-wall carpet might help me. Although my love of books would counter that somewhat. Of course it means I'd have to stash all the highly flammable stuff, aside from some cooking oil, like lamp oil, matches, candles, oil paint, turpentine, polishing oil and wood varnish in outbuildings, but I'm okay with that. My aunt and uncle lost their home, everything but the clothes on their backs, even their cats. Nothing was salvageable, the fire was that fierce. It was a miracle none of the humans died. A neighbor's house actually blew up- he had a gas leak, apparently, and as a long-time smoker had little sense of smell. They think he woke up, lit his pipe, and BOOM! He survived the explosion but died of his burns a short time later. Also I grew up in Tornado Alley, which was the initial reason I decided I wanted to live in a bunker. Being afraid of my home burning down or blowing up is just an additional reason.

173 students, 2 teachers and a rescuer died in the worst school fire in US history. The Collinwood School Fire of 1908, in Cleveland OH. To me, it's incomprehensible to be a parent having to watch your child possibly burn or suffocate without being able to do anything.

Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it...

God Bless you for mentioning the Collinwood School Fire and how that affected layouts in schools (though the doors actually DID open outwards - proven later by digging up the foundation). No one remembers that terrible tragedy anymore.

Wttw channel 11 did a documentary about the fire for a anniversary i think 40th or 50th. Talked to the children that survived and parents still alive that lost and survived children. It was so sad.

And with a frankness that none would from public officials today

Or turn 9n the fire alarm

@PlasmaStorm73 [N5EVV] screw the cide lives on the line

@@paulrasmussen8953 That’s all well and good for you to say, but the reason why you have codes and rules during an emergency is so that you have rehearsed thinking. Panic can set in and you don’t think logically, so if you have a plan, at least you aren’t frozen or dithering about your next move. It’s not his fault that the code was poorly conceived. Easy to look back with hindsight, isn’t it?

@@Unownshipper instill would not care. Its a fucking fire

Easy to Monday morning quarterback. Have you ever been in a crisis where you have to make instant decisions? This man is a hero. He alerted rectory to call fire department, and risked his own life ran into the building and saved many children.

An almost inconceivable number of lives shattered. Everyone for miles would have known one of the dead or their family.

Indeed.😔

If u think, thats bad, look up the Aberfan disaster. Sadly, theres plenty of avoidable tragedies to go around. RIP to the poor children lost in both disasters and so many others.

@@dfuher968• That was horrible too.

it really destroyed the neighborhood and I heard that many parents moved away because it was so devastating. I wonder if WBEZ has covered it.

I'm an Akronite too but I was born in 2005. The thing you're talking about is called a pull rod fire alarm. What was the name of the Catholic school in Akron?

@@neohistoryfan1014 St Paul, on Brown Street. Sister walked through the hallways ringing a brass hand bell until we got the fire alarm installed.

@@charlenegodard564 My girlfriend used to go to that school. It's very close to Garfield HS. I go to STVM, which is also a grandfathered building with its original fire alarm system from 1972. I won't be surprised if the city of Akron condemns STVM in the future due to it being so outdated. I'm kind of shocked the building didn't have a pull rod fire alarm. The ones built after World War II had automatic fire alarm systems along with the pull rods in the event of a power failure. My grandmother went to the original Saint Vincent high school in Akron. I believe the only fire alarm in that building at the time was a metal rod with trip gongs attached to it. I think after this fire, it probably got an automatic fire alarm system that was tied in with the fire department and had an actuator switch attached to the metal rod. there's a guy on KZfaq called Old School Fire Alarms, and he is based in the Akron area. My dad is also from Akron. He grew up next to Firestone HS. He went to Saint Sebastian along with his brothers; that school was built in the 40s. it had an IBM automatic fire alarm system with the pull rod and single stroke bells as the fire alarm signals. The nuns were very strict during fire drills and strongly enforced complete silence.

How did your grandmother know what the nuns were doing or not doing?

School was originally built in 1910, that kind of thing was actually not unusual. What was ridiculous was that, in 1950 they STILL didn’t have more than one fire escape. That should not have been permitted.

Bruh looking back at human history it's actually crazy how we still exist like between nukes and lead fuel it's honestly an achievement 😶 And how many diseases where probably made by humans in a lab but got out 💀🤦🏾‍♂️

That iron gate across the courtyard entrance is pure insanity.

I was at an Australian university in 2001-2005, in a building built in the 1960s that was 11 floors high. It had no fire alarm, sub standard fire doors to the escape stairs, and the local fire department had no trucks that could reach higher than the 4th floor. I was in a few fire folks, and it took far too long to get down from the 11 th floor. Basically, anyone above the 5th floor would die of smoke inhalation or worse. It wasn't until an incident at the university, in that very building - not a fire - that an alarm and sprinkler system was installed. So, a school built in 1910? Yeah, it gets a (small) pass

Even worse when your remember 172 kids had been killed at a similar school in Collinwood, Ohio in 1908 for those same reasons.

No, the neighborhood was never the same. People began moving else where and the area changed. I met a man, whose cousin was in that fire.

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His autobiography is actually how I first learned about it. It messed him up pretty badly for a long time

I read his book, and learned that information. By the way, the teachers were nuns, not lay teachers. I met a nun years ago who was in the teaching order of that school. She knew the three nuns who died.

This! It is crazy that fire codes would ever be "grandfathered." Maybe a reasonable period for the changes to be made. Grandfathering should never be in regards to safety issues, only for stuff like zoning (say a business built in an area that is now only for residential use, or maybe hallways that are to narrow to meet handicap code.)

@PlasmaStorm73 [N5EVV] That's the unfortunate trade off. Difficult decisions to balance the need of safety with the massive student body that needs to be accounted for. How a plan could've been implemented before a disaster like that is far too complicated an issue to be answered in the comments of a KZfaq video. It's a notion of folly. All I know, is that grandfathering those old buildings was NOT the long term solution to the issue. I just wish it was remedied without the lost of human life being the spurring action. But sometimes, that is what it takes.

@PlasmaStorm73 [N5EVV] The same way that they were forced to deal with all those children with no school because their school burned down. Which was to temporarily put their students in other schools in the area. Have 1 school at a time do this, and it doesn't take that long until all the schools are up to code. The money is an issue--sadly politicians don't care about children, because they don't vote. I guess potentially they got insurance money to help build the new school because the old one burned, but not enough to completely pay for the cost of the new school. It's usually cheaper to pay for renovations up front, than to pay to completely rebuild after a tragedy.

It seems like a few of those code violations could of remedied pretty easily. Sealing off the windows above the doors, and lowering the fire extinguishers so everyone can reach them. Over the summer they could of updated the alarm systems.

@@TheRealChristopherB Its not a long-term solution, but rebuilding entire cities every time new safety features are discovered and implemented would likely cost even more lives over time-from underfunded police and fire departments and unbuilt hospitals, not to mention the attrition rate of poverty in a locale that depresses the economy in order to constantly retrofit and rebuild every building. I agree that grandfather clauses for public buildings should not have been maintained for so long, and that schools of all places should be prioritized over most other public buildings regardless of age, but most people in the comment section are not even acknowledging what the trade-offs entail, and assuming any remotely dissenting opinion on the matter is due to callous greed or corruption.

@Mandy Lee would it hurt if a female trampled someone?

@@skelly4998🤔 yes, being trampled by anyone or thing would hurt.

It wouldn't hurt the person doing the trampling if that's what you mean.

​@@Mandy-Lee I don't think it would hurt if a woman stepped on anyone.

Absolutely appalling yes, alarm systems came in far too late as well. God rest their little souls 🇬🇧🙏☘️

I thought the same at first, but then I realised - they did, what they were instructed to do. The appaling requirement of having to find and notify the principal first, and only he could pull the fire alarm, was really at fault. In hindsight, yes, they should absolutely have immidiately started evacuating their class and simultaniously warned the other classes to do the same, but when they had clear orders on what to do in case of a fire, its understandable, that they followed their standing orders. The teachers were heroic in trying to save the children, they should not have any blame on them for a disastrously poor "system" in case of fire or for the city failing to implement the mandated fire safety features.

I know! If I was a teacher I’d alert the other rooms or at least one

The Nuns were instructed to wait for help from the firemen. At least one Nun didn't wait and got her students out.

Unfortunately the first time one of the nuns pulled the fire alarm it did not go off.

Yes just awful!

"then that makes this an even more heartbreaking story than it already is" Why in God's name would that make it worse?

@Varangian_af_Scaniae because if someone did intentionally start this, now over 90 people are victims of a malicious crime…

@@alexandergilles8583 That doesn't make it more heartbreaking. The people died either way!

I believe the rumor is that there was a troubled student who most likely started the fire in one of the wastepaper baskets. And while it's reprehensible to start a fire, he was still a kid and would have had no idea the school was a deadly firetrap. If that story is true, I can only imagine how terrible it must have been for him when what was probably a bit of childish mischief resulted in the deaths of so many of his friends and classmates. The real tragedy was not caused by the fire starting, but by the complete lack of preparation that helped the fire spread and kept the students from escaping.

If the person who started the fire knows he did I hope he lives with serious guilt

Actually,there was a belief that a student started the fire deliberately. There were never charges brought since he was only 12 or 13 yo. He grew up to be a troubled soul.

Probably a little of both, I think most people who commit a crime and get away with it feel relief, that's just human. You make it sound like that's the wrong answer though, as if you judge them for not wanting to be caught. It's worth remembering that if it was started by a person, it was a child. It's unlikely that they planned to burn the whole school down, it was likely just childish mischief. The only ones who really should carry the guilt of the 92 dead children are the people who made it impossible for them to escape. Fires happen, that's why we have fire safety regulations. They were ignored because the school liked money and power. That's where the guilt lies.

@@alice45-fgd-456drt disagree. Greed is not the all consuming evil. It makes sense to hold occupancies to the standards in effect at the time the structure and apply current standards to new buildings. If you believe greed killed these kids (and not the fire starter) then the government must pay for ALL upgrades to current standards this costing taxpayers.

​​@@lindadeters8685 didn't he actually confess, but later recant? Or am I thinking of a different case?

Some nuns, not all. There was a man, that went to the school, and saw his son in the window. His son, threw an object out to his Dad, he left the window and died. The son was in a classroom where a lot of kids died. Perhaps, one of classrooms where they were told to pray.

Yup.

Scary

Yes a great book. Ironically, one of the authors of that book went to jail for...arson! It's a true story.

Yup.

i will now, that's a good idea

I was in a supermarket/grocery store toilet recently, looked up and saw a sprinkler directly above me. I guess they really don't want anyone sneaking a cigarette in there!

Guilty as charged.

I do now, thanks to this channel

You’ve also got to scope out areas for cover in the states.