Leo K [Rogue] ayyy my man Leo

Not entirely true Leo K. This doesn't really hold up as an objective analysis. I agree with much of what he said but primarily from my own experience, not because he made a legitimately objective, valid and honest assessment and that he certainly didn't. 'better movement' and 'better parkour' aren't the same thing. 'Better parkour' and 'less scripted' parkour aren't even the same thing. I like your stuff stuff Leo and I see you've got Odyssey and Origins. Does Ezio control with the same agility and precision as Alexios or bayek? He never mentioned how awkward the almost tank like movement in the old AC games was or the kind of clunky analog stick orientation of your camera and character. Origins and Odyssey might not offer the same control over parkour, although that's not entirely true. Either way it might not but it's far easier to precisely determine what direction you want to move in, at what speed you want to move and to quickly switch direction. Aiming the camera is much more precise, and what a relief that is given that both games offer the series first properly functional free aiming system for ranged weapons and actually Melee Weapons. In Origins I often play with the spear, I don't use the lock on and primarily use the stabbing power attacks. With AC2 to 4's clunky movement and camera, this would be nearly impossible.

I'll give you another HELL YEAH!

glad to see James put some respect on your name and acknowledge your skill ny dude

was that Altair move over beams removed in ezio's trilogy? Haven't played 1 in years and don't remember triggering it in trilogy. Or does it take specific button input?

I’d totally agree with this sentiment.

Same, it's such a shame. Origins and Odyssey are super usable, sure, but at the cost of deleting *any* meaningful verbs for us to play with in traversal.

They sacrificed style and finesse in favor of more ease in traversing more diverse and extreme landscapes like in Origins and Odyssey. It has its positives and negatives depending on who you ask

Swifty! Its you! Am big fan of your ac videos!

That's pretty much every aspect in Unity. Instead of trying to polish it and work off of it, they just ditched it. It's the same as if Ubisoft saw how people complain about the sluggish parkour in AC1 and instead of improving on it on AC2 they just reinvented it altogether.

I WAS FUCKING RIGHT

Did you not figure that out by the raid shadow legend ad he made in the video?

Aqua Raid did you not figure out that he posted that comment before the vid

@@WorldView-ys5bz nah i usually assume people watch the video before commenting 😂

Ryan Sawin if he edited it it would say edited like this comment.

Ye unluckily that shitty thing exists, sometimes fucking it up 4 everyone

Well sometimes the camera switches so you can see the bigger obstacles that require a wider view. But yeah that sometimes can be a pain in the ass.

I didn't like the poor movement controls. If you've played Odyssey, jumping straight from that into the AC1 to revelations engine, AC3 to Rogue engine or AC Unity engine it's immediately apparent how awkwardly, imprecisely and slow your characters are to control. It's even worse when you enter combat where all control is lost.

@@akwilson1676 agreed man, i have the Bad habbit of automatically switching the camera myself, and depending on how i do so i jump and stuff, so when it happens it screws me over

@@claudiovaldivia583 even worse. Getting stuck in a roof

I believe you can assassinate NPC's on other horses while being on yours and take theirs as well, not sure tho, it's been a while since I've played, but it was definitely a nice addition to have in the newest AC games. I do think there was an achievement for this as well, to jump from horse back to a place like that.

@@RudiCarvalho Yup, one of the features I use the most to get either a pitch black horse or one with armour!

Someone please teach me the buttons that looked sick

I did it randomly one day and ezio grabbed a pole and literally backflipped to the next pole and then i landed back on my horse...

Wtf u people don't do side quests or what, it's literally there on thieves quest or something I. e u need to jump to a ledge from a horse

malfuresz like in unity I just hold Forward and rt

Congratulations ubisoft.....you fucked up 👏👏👏

Id say it works a bit differently (if an enemy gets close enough, youre fucked, only really works at range IIRC) ...but odyssey does have such a skill.. and hooy boy i abused the shit outta that on ng+.-

Yet people still excuse Syndicate while hating Odyssey.

@@memecliparchives2254 it has Assassins and the Creed Odyssey didn't need to be made

​@@phantomgamer9264And Syndicate is still a nonsensical SNL joke parody of Assassins Creed ad much as Odyssey is.

They be doing bits and also pieces.

😂 without even saying a word. Love it.

@@LazerzZ I can't tell if it's AC haters who don't want you going back to AC content or if it's AC fanboys who assume you're gonna say something negative about their favourite game. Maybe one of each.

Who said it can't be both, @@scoutdnr?

@@Corvaric No one. I even proposed the idea myself.

Man I love this community

So I didn't know Prince of Persia is basically the predecessor to these games until a few weeks ago. But now I see it and I love it. The PoP games had wall running and it worked well, so they could probably make it work

@@radiosundown1202 oh definitely...I think one of the head devs of prince of persia left to start his own project which blew up big time...and I hope they make it a thing...as long as it's realistic wall running....maybe like jedi fallen order like wall running...but it should be a skill that u learn through the story

Bro odyssey reminds me of pop sands of time so much I used to play that game non stop

@@stancedstyfon1234 what game

"I just hope the next assassins creed does something like this" ... Who's gonna tell 'em 😳

Yesss, a mix between them would be fuucking beautiful man

Unity is the best

Unity was truly a successor of all the previous games a prodigy of a game and then the fans killed it

ahmed sachwani oh no don’t let the fans criticise a game they didn’t like

Gallagher is God *hate not criticize. They cried about bugs and glitches that sure where there when the game launched but now they are not. They still get brought up tho. And people who never played the game get the impression that is a bugfest which is just not true. I played through the game 3 times now and even 100% it once. On pc and on ps4. And the biggest bug ive encountered is getting stuck in a statue once. Alone in playing through origins once ive encountered 5 times those bugs and glitches (floating boats etc.) so no its not criticizing its just blind hate from people who just want to not like it

Actually every AC game has you holding R2 to run...so i don't think your opinion is malformed

Levvy R. Not in Origins and Odyssey tho

@@ralphh796 Origins and Odyssey only require you to move forward to climb.

@@ralphh796 Well not only is that not what he was talking about, but Origins and Odyssey both run automatically with X or A being the climbing button, eliminating the use of R2.

@Faris Elwan great game! Tho I do prefer AC2 simply because the world

@@hcnry boomer is an old meme u old hag

It is actually the game. He's right that you can't expect perfect results holding RT and A, he's wrong that it's precise or free. Your character always locks onto objects and this creates very awkward issues if you're jumping at a diagonal. It's also very imprecise in deciding if you want to eject directly behind you or off to the side from a wall. Inputs are very unresponsive and badly delayed. Most inputs you have to press quite early and yet using inputs delays the window for further inputs. Trying to drop off objects is a nightmare because of this.

😭i hate odyssey so much it's not even AC

7dayspking “inputs are unresponsive” Did you play the same game as me, fam?

Earnie Ngalo even if it’s not a good game, it still has the ac title :( even though I can definitely say that it is bad I still actively enjoy and play it

@@7dayspking The only bad thing about the game is the camera during Assassin Tombs

Short answer: Yes.

It's about the Classic Assassin's Creed games; which were the best. :P No gunpoint needed.

He only hates Odyssey

@@Countmacula666 I mean he's stated he hates 3 and syndicate even more than odyssey, plus he thinks Rogue and Unity are only fine.

@@obsidianwarrior5580 Wait he hates ac3? Come on it ain't that bad

Yeah I agree. If they could just put the flashy animations on the classic AC parkour system then it would be pretty much perfect

It's definitely a game that has the capacity to irritate so I can totally understand being avoidant of it. The more knowledge you have, the more you can force it to do what you want, but it's never going to be 100% reliable or consistent. I'm glad you wanted to play it again, though. It's cool, it's quite Assassin's Creed-y in some ways I think we inarguably long for nowadays. Hope you've been doing well.

Leo K [Rogue] I’ve been doing well and I hope you are too. I love your videos man, keep up the great work!

yeah sometimes he literally fly when jumping from rooftop to rooftop or from chimney to whatever

Stephan Salvatore lmao

@Stephan Salvatore thats good lol

Have you not watched professional parkour vids? Those dudes can do some crazy shit-

@@themightybagle99 yeah but they can't fucking fly lol, which is what arno is basically doing

Being a fan of unity is funny, cuz the more you play the other games the more jarring it is playing unity. I used to be the biggest fan of unity but now I realize how every moment in that game feels like it’s rushed, all the animations are almost great, the parkour is almost great, the story is almost great, so for me the ezio trilogy becomes the clear goat of the franchise, no almosts there

Oh please shut up, your a goddamn Nintendo fan boy, stay in your own realm.

@@benboudreau1221 ikr and people call unity a "masterpiece" if unity is a masterpiece then what is ac2,rdr2 and witcher 3 lmao

I think most people really only consider the *ideas* present in Unity to be pretty near masterpiece AC level. ...if only they ever actually finished making the game in the first place before selling it.

@@benboudreau1221 1 yr old comment but actually I started with ac2, j'aime juste le français, je suppose (i just like french i guess)

Considering the AC games are built up from what was originally going to be a Prince of Persia title...that does not surprise me.

*Assassin's Creed 2 crying in the corner*

Nah ac origins tombs was wayy better tbh

Everything always doesn't have to be on the side of ezio trilogy

@@Based1889 This. AC1 is true greatness

Thank you!

No its ac 2 you idiot

Its Pinnacle of AC Parkour not Pinnacle of AC so no

I think you’re in for a wild ride.

@@iLloyd6 in ac 2 you had to parkour and think, in unity you press forward

@@Trathien-....you clearly didn't play Unity.

Or just combine the best elements of the first four games, Black Flag and Origins and to an extent, the best elements of Unity and 3. There you have the perfect formula of old and new, instead of one side saying the old games good and new ones bad and the other side new games good old games boring.

@@memecliparchives2254 that would be great, and hopefully this next game has the cinematic parkour while still being able to have full player control. Black flag was probably the closest to having player control and cinematic parkour. So if they went off that parkour system and made it better, that would make the game 10 times more enjoyable.

Avry Dobbs donate him money now pls

Less accurate, less fluid, more control.

7dayspking I mean accurate as in control... as in you are the one making it accurate and fluid.

@@avrydobbs2186 and I meant inaccurate as in control, as in the game poorly tracks your inputs. You primarily make inputs between animations, you do not retain real time control over your character except for the 'wall eject' mechanic which itself creates a lengthy amount of time without control. This isn't what I meant above though, what I meant is the game controls pretty awfully, it has terrible movement and one of the worse camera's I've used in a modern AAA third person action game. Controlling Ezio feels like controlling a tank or a horse in a game with horrible horse riding. Then you get to the game's combat where you've little direct control over what Ezio's doing. It controls even worse than the movement and parkour, inputs are heavily delayed. Inputs are ignored unless they're pressed in the 'correct' window causing it to feel awkward and unresponsive, all the while the game is physically fighting control of Ezio away from you. Everyone here is talking about the old AC games only as Assassin's creed games. As video games they're extremely clunky and imprecise and offer little control over your character. The Exceptions are Assassin's creed Origins and Odyssey. Bayek and Alexios are extremely agile and responsive to your inputs. The camera actually works, in fact so well you can easily aim long ranged projectile weapons with it manually and I can aim spear thrusts without a lock-on System at distant enemies entirely with the game's movement and camera. So no, AC1, 2, brotherhood and Revelations are not 'accurate' and precise. Ezio is not 'fast', he's extremely sluggish to control. Even the game's 'dodge evade' mechanic is a nightmare because of awkward input windows and delays. I'm playing it as I type this comment and I played Odyssey a couple of days ago.

Unity had that combat variation as well. Dodge, heavy attack, light attack, criticals, good parry, perfect parry, and different combos based on the weapon type you were using and tool you had equipped. Plus you could use the Sprint button to escape combat pretty quickly, but its still risky because everyone has a gun that they can use to shoot you down, encouraging you to break their line of sight or defeat them before running off.

GuyGunslinger yeah. Unity combat was not that bad. It was good for what it was. But I think that the one that really put you in control and was more responsive and didn’t make you hit the air, was the one from AC 1 to Revelations. And I can’t believe that I am complimenting Revelations (so many plot holes) but combat-wise it was very good

Guilherme Lonskis Pacheco Honestly Revelations isn’t that bad, imo. Plot-holes or not, it still ties up Ezio and Altair’s stories and is probably the most emotionally provoking of the trilogy.

GuyGunslinger yeah, my friend. I think it is for all tastes, you know? It is like bands. Both Metallica and Megadeth are good, and I listened to both, but I prefer Metallica. For me, it’s the same with AC. Being someone who played AC 1 since 2008 on PC, I miss some story and experience elements that didn’t have - in my humble opinion - in Revelations. I think it’s a good game but not one that you can put in fair comparison to AC II story, for example. It is not only that they are different stories. The problem with Revelations forward, for me, is the pacing and the ambition to construct something so big but without proper structure or background knowledge, disrespecting some character arcs and the lore just for the sake of being cool or modern. Ezio it’s not acting so wise in ACR as he once was from middle to end of Brotherhood. Some people prefer Ezio being an old guy but behaving like an arrogant brat sometimes simulating - badly - the impression of bad ass. I really don’t like that. And some of the choices that they did with Altair, were not the smart ones. For instance, the last codex page left opened what happened to him when he touched the Apple to provoke mystery. Like the end of Batman Arkham Knight, you know? It was supposed to be like that. To let it opened to interpretation. But ACR just went there and showed his dead body...and to worse things further, he is not holding the Apple but something else (it was the last memory seaL? I don’t recall the object). Then, I start to question: If he had accessed all those memory seals, wouldn’t he mentioned that in the Codex? After all, he mentioned all the important things that the Apple showed him, from the Hidden Gun to his armor, and he didn’t even mention those memory seals in the Codex? Weird, to say the least. AC II and Brotherhood in contrast, construct Ezio’s arc, where he gets wiser and wiser and those games tie, in a perfect manner, the end of AC 1 to the beginning of AC2 and make Ezio (the new protagonist) learn new things from the old protagonist, Altair, in a way that evolves both in story and gameplay, giving you new gadgets and new gameplay mechanics in each memory sequence moving forward. I don’t see that much feeling of progress in such a natural good flow with the following titles in the AC series. But that is just me, being an old annoying frustrated AC fan. Hehehe

'AC2 has more combat variation than the games that came after that', please demonstrate that. AC2's combat is very much a 'cinematic' one with very little player control. How many combat systems out there provide the player with less control than AC2 through to 4? 'the one that put you in control and didn't make you hit air and was more responsive'. You talking about Origins and Odyssey? You're hitting air because you were finally given a responsive combat system you had actual control over, you lacked the skill to use it. The AC games aren't exactly 'putting you there' in the same way Kingdom Come Deliverance does. Are metallica and Megadeth good? Not sure how much I agree or disagree on the progression in AC1 and 2. It was handled very similar to typical linear sort of action games. Open world games don't typically handle progression like this and I would argue there's some good reasons for that, then again the AC games aren't structured much like legitimate open world games to their detriment in my opinion.

It is fun in Unity though

@@Jerryx29 I've played Unity, completed both the main missions and the DLC, 100%ed the game, collected all achievements, and acquired the rank of legend, and I can say that Unity's parkour system has been one of the most annoying ones I've ever used.

Han Hong I’ve done so too and the parkour is one of the best part of the game

@@thisisafalseaccount105 I loved how convenient the parkour down system was, how satisfying it is to perform rolls, and how stylish it is. It is considerably good in certain instances, but that's only when it's willing to behave. Aside from feeling sluggish sometimes, the parkour system tends to feel very inconsistent for me, it sometimes doesn't want to understand where I go, and that could, and has, led to tons of mistakes such as accidentally leaping down into a group of guards unknowingly to making it harder to escape the guards who are hot on my trail. Over time, those inconsistencies have accumulated enough over time to overpower the sweet taste of all the other previous features and leave a sour taste in my mouth. The system's reliability has been so compromised that it no longer feels fun and more like a high-stakes gamble. In comparison, while AC3 - Rogue's system may be less flashy and lacks the parkour down system, it felt significantly more reliable in terms of manoeuvering. I could leap and jump with complete confidence, knowing that the system would bring me exactly where I want to go. It's a system that makes sure the whole thing is fun, consistent, and reliable, which is exactly what you'd want from a major gameplay mechanic. I love AC Unity for the agency it gives the player to tackle tasks, the phenomenally beautiful and bustlingly alive city of Paris, and the fun you get from playing co-op with other players, but the parkour? No thanks, I'd rather go with the Kenway trilogy's version instead. But either way, to each their own. If you enjoy the game and you're having fun, then that's all that should matter.

Han Hong thank you for making this easy to read with the spaces out paragraphs and I agree those are problems with the parkour system, but for me I overcame those problems by just completing two districts.

I would buy an Edward Kenway game set in London before he was killed...

I don't know why people always bring up control of movement as a determining factor in the parkour system. I feel the video author and people strawman people's argument for the Unity/Syndicate system. We don't say it has more agency in the sense of input from the player. Rather it has more precision in where the character goes. There are too many times Altair/Ezio leap at a 45 degree angle when your thumbstick is forward. The first system's flaw is it locks onto the closest jumpable thing. So if you're on a rooftop and the next ledge is further away than the option to jump to the streets the game makes you fall to your death. This is why although Unity is stickier I prefer precision over which vertical direction my character goes. And that is why I prefer it to the first system. It has nothing to do with animations like people keep strawmanning. I want precision where I go. I don't care about pressing multiple buttons to do parkour. AC already is very lock-on anyways. Not having sticky parkour makes no sense.

@@noobbotgaming2173 But Unity Parkour is objectively less precise than the ezio parkour system. This isnt a matter of opinion, It's a fact. Ezio has a set jump distance. Arno's jumps vary depending on where the game thinks you want to jump. Unity is much more automated. It's easier to look cool and It's on rails. Ezio parkour makes it more difficult to have flow but you can get much more control and precision from it. Unity is so imprecise that there's no parkour puzzles anymore because they required accuracy and précision which unity doesnt have'

@@Pedro_Le_Chef Nope. You can claim "objectivity" all you want. You're still wrong. You can't claim objectivity when you haven't defined your term. Think of Unity's parkour like a car. It's "automated" in the sense the game locks Arno to spots but you control when and where you want to land. Firstly the code of the old parkour isn't precise. You never worked on the game. The director of Unity did. The older games had parkour limited to a 30cm grid. Which means parkour only works on a square; NO DIAGONAL angles allowed. Hence Ezio leaps to his death at the slightest 45 degree angle. Which leads to the second reason why it isn't precise. Parkour had 2 conflicting mechanisms to it. In other words it's contradictory. When you need to press the climb button to do parkour you also jump. Again Ezio jumps when the game sees he can. The controls were always wonky and contradicted each other. Free run up/down is so much better because the player controls which part of the XY axis to go. When you learn to move in Unity you'll quickly realize you have control where you want to go. In summary I explained the code and the mechanics of the older parkour. The real objectivity is the stupid square parkour of the older ones isn't precise in terms of A-B. If by "control" you mean you need individual buttons for Ezio's body parts (legs, arms, etc) then yes more control. But we all know control is get from point A to B without a hitch. Unity does it better.

That is Boring

What do you mean by origin ruined the parkour? Odyssey's parkour is far more worst than origin's parkour. Infact, odyssey has the worst parkour in the franchise itself.

Absolutely agree. I think the older games it was not too bad because of not only the graphics and worlds, but the structures as well. Truth is the old parkour systems don't work as well in the newer settings. I play Unity still and it still allows you a lot of control. It's not perfect and it does have it's wonky/glitchy moments, but so did the other games. The earlier games were a collision disaster.

I play both AC2 and Unity simultaneously right now and I agree that Unity has the best movement system but main reasons for that at least in my opinion is Free Run Down in Unity. In older games going down was always janky as fuck for me and I hated doing that and after all these years I still do especially going from AC2 to Unity now. Also I agree about world design - in AC2 you have sticking out enivorment elements that completly feel off like constant weird balconies,boxes on ground level so you can actually run up them and shit like that as I said its done to a point where it feels completly off to me while in Unity its not like that it feels more natural.

@Ked Taczynski I honestly dont know if you can dude. unity was the best at mixing the control of the ezio games and the integration of a complex world design.

@Ked Taczynski i bought unity on launch day and it was the most optimized ac game in my experience. there were bugs for sure but it was really over exaggerated

Ain’t nobody got time for ladders when you’re an assassin 👀

Why? Because there aren't as many Ezio dickriders as there used to? Look, unity was flawed and buggy as hell, but it did one thing better than any other AC : the parkour

@@ksar98 Seriously people like you who calls any old school AC fan "Ezio dick riders" can fuck off. The "Ezio dick riders" simply thinks Ezio is the best AC protagonist simply because he is the most likeable and well developed AC character. We Ezio fans don't at all hate the other protagonists, Altair, Edward Kenway and Bayek are also fantastic protagonists. But characters like fucking Connor, Jacob Frye and Kassandra are terrible for a REASON. They are unlikeable, written poorly lacks character development ect. I hope this fucking message proves a fucking point that your so called "Ezio dick riders" arent obsessed with Ezio or anything, they just enjoy Ezio the most.

@@alecg.5638 Oh, sorry I thought you were talking about the comment section, now. My bad.

@@emperorducky4951 Remember me when was this a debate among protagonists. Oh right, it wasn't. I was talking about the parkour. But obviously you don't get it. It takes a lot more than 30IQ to read the message.

@@emperorducky4951 Mate you've proved his point, you're exactly what he is criticizing. You pretend your opinion makes you more valuable than those who disagree and of course opposing opinions are all objectively wrong now aren't they?

totally odyssey! the game revolutionized the parkour in the series by removing it completely!

mingledspringle lol 😂

NIGHTWATCH Your profile pic is awesome. I have the same one for another account. Star Wars and Assassins Creed are my favorite franchise

NIGHTWATCH Your profile pic is awesome. I have the same one for another account. Star Wars and Assassins Creed are my favorite franchise

He said after watching the vid...

No, it’s garbage