Hope you enjoyed it! Plastic instruments are weird. They feel like crap to play, and they're really not for performing. Here's the chorale that I attempted: musescore.com/user/118131/sco...
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@Liam-ut1zh3 жыл бұрын
other band kids: "so what do you play?" bennim: "p v c p i p e"
@marciadamelio72442 жыл бұрын
*Blue Man Group has entered the chat*
@rogercronin4 жыл бұрын
Sounded a million times better than what I was expecting to be honest 😂😂
@ethanshoemaker56692 жыл бұрын
Same
@JustClaude134 жыл бұрын
I recently picked up a Yamaha YEP-201 with a case for $300 after shipping and buying a mouthpiece. For that price it comes with a lot of extras that more expensive instruments don't include, such as a series of decorative dents along one side and a broken solder joint on one support brace.
@vikzn16073 жыл бұрын
Had us in the first half
@TheSaggus2 жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie
@JZM0062 жыл бұрын
i love the yep 201, we've got one at school and it's just amazing
@marciadamelio72442 жыл бұрын
They’re features, not bugs!
@d.schoepflin2247 Жыл бұрын
A broken solder joint on a bass brass instrument must cause a lot of buzzing! Do you have any problems like that?
@kellanflanigan8509 Жыл бұрын
I can definitely hear the tuning issues. To me it sounds like it's just not as full, like maybe the plastic just doesn't resonate quite as much as the brass, which is also probably why it takes more air to get a good, resonating sound.
@ericp.94974 жыл бұрын
If the question includes “Kaiser-red Euphonium?” The answer is “Yes. Always, yes!”
@qtea3.1493 жыл бұрын
Do you hate the Kaiser-red Euphonium?
@d.schoepflin2247 Жыл бұрын
Very well done video! I wanted a plastic euphonium but was able to find a fairly new silver-plated euphonium a a pawn shop in Northern Virginia about two years ago for about $89.00!! It sounds really nice and it's beautiful when it's clean! the oils in my skin put off leave fingerprints in so many places anytime fingerprints on it touch or use it! I wish I could stand to wear gloves so I could put on some black of white parade gloves like I wore in marching band in HS because I'm sure my skin oils are gonna damage the finish if I don't keep cleaning it after EVERY use!
@micahcurry43594 жыл бұрын
Those valves would give me a headache...
@pdparker572 жыл бұрын
We bought one of these - within 2 months the valves stick so bad that you literally have to pry them out. Tried to talk to the company and just get the run around. We are not happy at all and would advise against buying one!
@nicholashewett979 Жыл бұрын
@LaserActiveGuy I've read that using actual vegetable oil out of your cabinet works really well, too.
@apexgaming16522 жыл бұрын
For all of those who value time 6:16 is when he starts playing
@pherlong72 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@PIFEIGENBAUM. Жыл бұрын
thanks
@darkl3mon357 ай бұрын
thank you I was getting tired of listening to this guy yap
@sameman68846 ай бұрын
That's a bit of a rude way to put it... *clicks timestamp*
@salty74VR4 жыл бұрын
Sorry this guy has only 150 subscribers? *I need an explanation*
@bun-bun56233 жыл бұрын
Well maybe if he played it he would have more suba
@Eerie_bus7 ай бұрын
@@bun-bun5623he did goofy
@lukes91922 жыл бұрын
The timbre was impressive but the pitch even against itself is rough
@svbarryduckworth6282 жыл бұрын
I noticed that too.
@gorgosanma2 жыл бұрын
6:13 Finally! Play the damn thing! lol
@BLACKIE164913 жыл бұрын
Thank you, my Euphonium Brother, may Brassedion bless your day ♥
@haydenwilliams4584 жыл бұрын
Thanks man! This really helped with my dicision between buying a new plastic or used brass, since they seem around the same price. I used to have a nice silver nickel 4button baritone before I sold it for college. Just want one to play around with at home again.
@no.no.46803 жыл бұрын
I need that valve clonk sound on my mechanical keyboard
@svbarryduckworth6282 жыл бұрын
I think it would take a fairly long constant exposure to dezincify brass to any degree. The issues I had with the cheap Chinese bugle was heavy green growth in a few areas that when buffed off actually left damaged metal/pits in a couple of areas that were not significant to the structural integrity of the metal but were quite cosmetically disfiguring. If I got a cheap $100 or less brass trumpet I would certainly never leave it outside even under the covered dodger like I have with that $20 bugle. It is so cheap even the mouthpiece is stamped metal. It's almost impossible to play well. I don't think I would even think of bringing anything but a plastic euphonium onboard due to the higher cost/value and I couldn't just leave it strapped to a bulkhead for fear of denting it with other crap that sometimes gets tossed around in a small ocean-going boat. It would need to be in a real instrument case and those are so much bigger than the instrument itself. I did get away with carrying my baritone bugle in a duffle bag for years going to practices strapped to my motorcycle back seat or sometimes using a shoulder strap. I never could find a backpack that would fit it well. The horn never got damaged on the motorcycle. Not like the typical wear and tear on a marching instrument.
@IJustFartedPoo Жыл бұрын
I just love euphoniums
@pierrelecaillou6966Ай бұрын
Today I learned! thank you Bennim!
@saxmusicmailАй бұрын
I've recently gotten a Vibrato alto sax in a trade. It's clear acrylic with silicone pads, so I think it's suitable for use at a water park or during rain storms. But anyway, it does sound pretty good, surprisingly. There are other plastic instruments around, and other than the fact the colors cause them to stick out like a sore thumb, seems they would be OK for marching band, or due to weight, smaller children could handle them more easily. I've got 60 years of playing behind me. I'm not going to be too quick to turn my nose up at these instruments. But like you said... price. I also recently picked up a near new Selmer student alto sax for $150. No dents, no scratches.
@Destinys.other.child. Жыл бұрын
Thanks as a Forced Euphonim player I enjoyed your videos showing my kids what I used to play. I'm thinking about getting one for my kids until I saw the price maybe I could 3d print it
@clcheatw3 жыл бұрын
I paid less for a used Jupiter student baritone than that plastic horn.
@bacproductions17183 жыл бұрын
I'm here before this channel explodes.
@theturtlerguy12362 жыл бұрын
Sure brass instruments are expensive, but have you seen saxophones?
@DTflame7 ай бұрын
yeah i play tenor sax but i recommend eastrock saxes b/c i got mine for only 350$
@chancellorcamel11447 ай бұрын
Baris are like 3k minimum lol
@ishaanchaudhary31802 жыл бұрын
when it was posted on April 1st I thought it was a joke
@Joubleshakle1235 ай бұрын
6:14 if titanic 2 came this should be the next musician's in titanic two
@THVEssays7 ай бұрын
I would entirely suggest plastic for novelty and durability purposes. If you're in a situation where you want to have loud brass sounds to you, also damages to an instrument or people are possible, I would recommend a plastic horn. Two situations where I wanted a plastic instrument, but didn't have one were: being part of a pep band for a soccer team (trombone was hit on the side and dented), and going to protests with a brass instrument (nothing happened, but in retrospect, something *could* have happened).
@brettinvigorating62583 жыл бұрын
Honestly I would get it just to mess around with after having my own brass but I’m a trumpet player so I’m not sure if it’s the same
@jaspergregorio97742 жыл бұрын
as long as you have a baritone/euph mouthpiece you'd be able to learn. The main difference is that you would need to relax waaaaaay more to play with a nice tone. If you want to, I say go for it.
@svbarryduckworth6282 жыл бұрын
I live on a boat and want to get back into playing. I used to play trombone, bass trombone and euphonium in High School and college and also marched in the Madison Scouts drum & bugle corps where I played baritone bugle. I also picked up a borrowed trumpet a few times here and there to play with a pep band at ball games. Folks are a lot more willing to lend out a trumpet than a Euph or slide trombone to someone they don't know all that well. Anyhow that is 25 years ago now but recently I picked up a cheap military knock-off bugle and have been playing around with it and now I want to get back into playing a brass instrument. That brass bugle has already seen some cosmetic damage from saltwater apparently touching it so I'm a little bit concerned with a quality (expensive) brass instrument. I'm thinking trumpet because we really don't have much room although with a plastic instrument I could just strap it to a bulkhead as "artwork" and not have to worry about a case or any storage damage like that. Then again if I buy a cheap used trumpet I could probably find one for under $100 easily or the Ptrumpet for about $150. If I really get back into it I could always buy a used plastic euphonium or trombone with F-key. It's been so long it will be like starting from scratch again.
@Bennim2 жыл бұрын
In your case, I would probably recommend a plastic instrument, as exposure to sea water can actually erode the zinc contained in brass. It would also be a good idea to get a metal mouthpiece along with a plastic instrument.
@atomictraveller6 ай бұрын
hey buddy, you can use tensile and compressive elements in structure to reduce resonance on the valves from mechanical movement. like you could push short bits of chopsticks between them, then tie it tight with string. if this damping is placed in the middle of the valve, harmonics on the plastic tube are cancelled in the same way as any other linear harmonics. (i've made synthesizers/acoustic models for decades, i'm still waiting for affordable instrument options, ty for vid).
@Mr.CheeseCow2 ай бұрын
I own a “StarTone” Bb euphonium and it is pretty much exactly the same but it is blue.
@GhostlyPigeon_5 ай бұрын
Man, those valves are crunchy
@MrSumpfdrache Жыл бұрын
As a newbie I wouldn't dare to buy a used brass instrument because I'm unsure if dings and dents will influence the playability or sound? Would be cool to see a video about 'damaged brass: what's tolerable or not'
@Bennim Жыл бұрын
Dents will only affect playability when they start significantly blocking air flow. Generally, if the instrument has "only a few minor dings and dents" then it's fine. It would have to be a huge dent that makes you go "wtf happened" for it to affect playability.
@HiNinqi3 жыл бұрын
Can little slanted pieces be put inside of all of the 90° turns to fix some of the sound issues? If someone had a new model (where the buttons arent stuck yet) could the buttons be replaced with brass ones?
@Bennim3 жыл бұрын
Putting small pieces inside of the turns in the tubing would likely thin the air flow and cause more problems. As for the valves, you could probably replace them for ones made of a better material so they don't become slow, but that would require a LOT of modding for them to fit perfectly on the instrument
@alanax9276 Жыл бұрын
I've played most of the brass instruments since I was 6 but when I was about 8 I got a plastic trumbone and I think that's the reason foe plastic instruments who would want to by a brass instrument just fore the kid to drop and dent it and it might be a bit heavy fore some kids with real brass I currently play euphonium an it is heavier then the tuba I played fore a few years.
@GODDAMNLETMEJOIN Жыл бұрын
I have a plastic trombone I paid $5 for from a thrift store. Very satisfied for the price I paid lol.
@kaedinrust59963 жыл бұрын
There are technically euphoniums in C if the musician reads treble like myself.
@Markworth3 жыл бұрын
Clef doesn't matter, but yes. I've seen a few examples of Euphoniums in 8'C. The only one that's really common is that goofy Jinbao Rotary Euphonium that everyone hates.
@raymondhorton96683 жыл бұрын
No, I would be 99.99% certain that your euphonium is in B-flat! Treble or bass, it’s just a different way of notating.
@gooseiscool936 ай бұрын
every time i thought he was bouta play he puts it down and says more words
@adam49ish7 ай бұрын
Can't hear the valves when you're playing, but them getting stuck is an absolute dealbreaker.
@aprilmason1616 Жыл бұрын
Cool video Bennim. The red is pretty though
@adventureguy4119 Жыл бұрын
I remeber this from my school marching band days. Do they have a real purpose for this instrument in professional settings
@Wadosan3 жыл бұрын
Gear4Music’s Playlite model makes a much better hybrid plastic Euphonium for $270. Sure it’s not too viable for soloing Euphonium, but if you’re like me and play Euphonium as a second instrument then go for plastic.
@dotmatrix98187 ай бұрын
ok I know it's a euphonium "in Bb" but euphoniums are either always or typically non-transposing
@Oddity29948 ай бұрын
As oddity2994 i can confirm that this is an oddity
@DennisJohnsonDrummer8 ай бұрын
I use a plastic Trombone to teach my private students, but I would not use one of these for a performance. The valved plastic instruments have not been perfected yet and the valves stick like you said in the video. A slide is definitely easier to duplicate with plastic than a valve. The intonation of the plastic instruments is not good and the lower tones are more difficult to produce. A used brass instrument is the way to go for sure. Thanks for sharing this review.
@azom55773 жыл бұрын
why do u only have 300 subs?u deserve more ngl
@Bennim3 жыл бұрын
Thanks floppa
@benjaminbannister42767 ай бұрын
Bro was just yapping for 6 minutes strait before he played it
@LilEggRoll697 ай бұрын
did you use valve oil twice a week? that can help with the valves
@oliverdiamond65942 ай бұрын
bro really said "🤖"
@lethalweaboo86627 ай бұрын
You know it they chrome plated the pistons and valve casing they might be on to something.
@massmanute Жыл бұрын
A couple of more questions. 1) Is the Kaizer plastic euphonium the same instrument as the Cool Winds plastic euphonium? In photographs they appear to be identical, right down to the fine details. 2) The valve casings are plastic. Are the interior valve parts metal? Thanks.
@Bennim Жыл бұрын
1. I'm pretty sure it is the same as the Cool Winds euphonium, they do look extremely similar except for the color of the water keys. 2. Both the valves and the valve casing are actually made of metal. They're still not any good but they are metal.
@massmanute Жыл бұрын
@@Bennim Thanks.
@massmanute Жыл бұрын
@@Bennim I'm thinking about buying one. I already have a good brass 4 valve compensating euphonium, but a red plastic one might be fun to play at Tuba Christmas events, or outdoors in bad weather.
@Bennim Жыл бұрын
I think that's a fair reason for wanting a plastic instrument. They are pretty good for playing outdoors and the bright colors will certainly be nice for tuba Christmas!
@johnbegler76872 жыл бұрын
I recently purchased a John Packer JP374s for $500.00. If you hunt around,you can find a great instrument at a great orice
@iolair19733 жыл бұрын
6:13 to hear it played.
@goner7256 Жыл бұрын
valves sound like my lubed keyboard
@wevefriendsАй бұрын
6:15 Is when he actually plays it.
@harrisonthecarguy37342 жыл бұрын
Does valve oil and slide grease eat away at the plastic
@Bennim2 жыл бұрын
The valves on the inside are actually made of metal, and in my experience slide grease should be fine with the plastic slides.
@harrisonthecarguy37342 жыл бұрын
@@Bennim thank you
@spder7285 Жыл бұрын
Where did u find one
@darkpotatoking5078 Жыл бұрын
I have a concert pitch euphonium
@johngpendleton6 ай бұрын
Well, it DOES put the "phoni" in euphonium, and I can certainly hear the tuning limitations, but if you had to carry a euphonium into battle or a swimming-pool situation, this would be the best choice.
@noreng93333 ай бұрын
So basically like a modern-day bagpipe?
@agenttexx7 ай бұрын
Buy a used instrument and then send it to a reputable repair shop to have it fixed up, if it needs to be. You can always find a used instrument online. I got two 1920s era King Baritones for $30 a piece. They need work, but they are still playable. Even if I spent $600 to have them fully repaired, Its still way less than the $2000-3000 for a new instrument.
@massmanute3 жыл бұрын
Would a plastic instrument be good for marching band?
@Bennim3 жыл бұрын
If your director approves of it, then yes. Plastic instruments are great for marching band because they are very lightweight and durable. The only thing is that they may not be able to produce as much sound as a brass instrument, which I've learned is very important for marching band.
@bigfootsburneraccount91603 жыл бұрын
A lot of band directors would dislike that because the bright color would disrupt the uniformity of the band
@Bennim3 жыл бұрын
@@bigfootsburneraccount9160 That is certainly true. Personally, my band director would have _never_ let us use a bright-colored plastic instrument.
@dodoxasaurus6904 Жыл бұрын
wait wait wait wait Wait... your telling us that if you slightly tighten the valves too much you can't untighten them??
@parkersmtih91923 ай бұрын
I think it Might be lightweight and durable idk tho
@GLUKOVICH2 жыл бұрын
i wonder if one could 3d print an euphonium...
@Bennim2 жыл бұрын
Someone 3D printed an alto trombone before. It was awful but still.
@gen12fish52 жыл бұрын
This is where science goes too far
@user-cw5wt1qq6j7 ай бұрын
From experience teaching plastic cornets, they also smelt very mouldy within a few weeks of use. I would never buy nor recommend a plastic brass instrument.
@Aj_6O7 ай бұрын
This guy gets everything I said
@MrMawnster7 ай бұрын
I don't think you can find used ones of brass at a cheaper price that are higher quality....like compensating ones or 4th key sones though.....3 key normies are just as bad as this given same price but you get a plastic compensator no?
@mysticalnov9602 Жыл бұрын
lol the video was started with the most true statement ever 😂
@ronm324510 ай бұрын
Besides this one particular instrument, which is clearly a POS, what other plastic instruments have you tried? Most plastic instruments are underrated. I've got a plastic clarinet from the JCPenney catalog. It plays better than my $4000 Buffet.
@Bennim10 ай бұрын
I also have a plastic trombone from pBone, it's honestly pretty good.
@StClairMensGroup8 ай бұрын
Oh my - the intonation - or lack of it...help! (certainly not your fault)
@ScottTidwellMusic Жыл бұрын
Bought a King Baritone with case and mouthpiece for $150 on eBay.
@GuitarMastr3000LP5 ай бұрын
Do big bands in China have a plastic section?
@kingavofza3 ай бұрын
That's foul😭😭
@Exa1487 ай бұрын
That sound way better than I though lol😅
@del_boy_trotter3 жыл бұрын
Plastic will never take-off in top-class bands. A player has to make changes (compensate) with the Embouchure just to accommodate the tuning in almost every range. Intonation can suffer (badly) and these are the kinds of things you don't want to have to worry about with the likes of Cory band et al! It may slightly improve tongue speed (marginally) and I don't understand that but overall, a good old 10+ year old brass/metal instrument (Besson et al) in good condition, will be a much better buy in any band in any section. Just to add, you covered the points wonderfully well young man, well done, particularly that you *do* need to push a higher-level of air through the instrument, with the consequent loss in overall tone/intonation?
@Murderdonesfan4345 ай бұрын
I play that instrument the metal one
@lethalweeaboo22393 жыл бұрын
Somebody should make a E flat or F euphonium just to make one.
@myaris.m3 жыл бұрын
In my school there was little euphoniums en D flat, but they have an other name 😶
@keithperry4945 Жыл бұрын
They do. Called tubas if lower or tenor horns if higher!
@lethalweeaboo22393 жыл бұрын
I dare you too play Endearing Young Charms on it.
@Aj_6O7 ай бұрын
I hate almost all plastic instruments except for flutes the trumpet player. It looks like it's gonna break if it touches the floor.
@raymondhorton96683 жыл бұрын
Plastic instruments have their place, certainly. But for just a few hundred more, you can get $1000 Mack Brass euphonium. From China, excellent copy of the Yamaha 642 compensating horn. For some reason, euphoniums from China are much, much cheaper, then any other brass instrument from China. Chinese trimbones cost about 1/2 of the brand copied , while euphoniums are about a 6th!
@GODDAMNLETMEJOIN Жыл бұрын
Probably three quarters cadmium by weight!
@Nigelrathbone16 ай бұрын
It can only sound as good as the player.
@MrMawnster7 ай бұрын
just need stronger pop up springs in the valves! will be faster then
@zandermoody10672 жыл бұрын
Isn’t that a baritone?
@TheManOfManyNames.7 ай бұрын
So the answer to the question is no, they are not viable.
@user-cw5wt1qq6j7 ай бұрын
Plastic valves are a disaster.
@Bennim7 ай бұрын
The valves and valve casing on this instrument are actually made of metal, but they are still a disaster.
@ataurus62 Жыл бұрын
Just think, a plastic band.
@johng74238 ай бұрын
but if youve never played one before and want to try it out its the best option you dont really want to spend the best part of a grand on a brass one and find out its not for you at least with this for 100 or so its the best option for a first time player, just like a guitarist the first guitar any guitarist gets is always a piece of shit but it gets you playing.
@sebastianramos61372 жыл бұрын
I’m sure it’s not you but the instrument sounds like a middle school band. I don’t think I could ever get this instrument just cuz my love for euphonium is from the tone itself, and this one sounds yucky
@angelicamartacahyaningtyas90832 жыл бұрын
Personally, I dislike the color, it makes the instument looks like a toy. I think white is better and less disturbing. I myself learn flute and recorder. Plastic recorders are everywhere and high-quality one is always colored black, brown or something resembles wood, while the pink one is always the lower quality.
@Bennim2 жыл бұрын
I have to agree with you on this one. Plastic brass instruments in general usually have very bright colors, and it's very hard to make them not look like toys.
@NoNo-nz9zy7 ай бұрын
ITS CALLED A BARITONE
@paraparax27 ай бұрын
it has multiple aliases, good luck with that
@microkami5957 ай бұрын
French horn and trombone sound better try those
@emanuelebattaglia37906 ай бұрын
IT’S A FUCKING TUBAAA
@bcwest562 жыл бұрын
Who makes that plastic piece of crap and why would I want it?
@Whitestar12345 Жыл бұрын
Why so many flats? Must you make my life depressing?
@captainkaedon94532 жыл бұрын
That’s a baritone. Not a euphonium
@Bennim2 жыл бұрын
No, it is a euphonium.
@MrMawnster7 ай бұрын
too flat...ya these instruments out of brass are always too sharp lower down hmmmm
@dyland4980 Жыл бұрын
Then what is the mouthpiece? Metal. Its not pladtic
@Bennim Жыл бұрын
I got mine used and it didn't come with a mouthpiece so I'm using my own metal one, I'm pretty sure if you got one new it would come with a garbage plastic mouthpiece.
@johnule32472 жыл бұрын
It plays so grossly out of tune, worse than a valve/rotor bugle. Why would you want to practice playing out of tune?
@jaspergregorio97744 жыл бұрын
audacity
@Bennim4 жыл бұрын
Yes, jasper. I used audacity.
@ZeldaACFan173 жыл бұрын
Referring to the computer screen?
@dotmatrix98187 ай бұрын
God it sounds like a dying whale
@yobuddy94257 ай бұрын
Sounds like an out of tune French horn
@NathanAStringer3 жыл бұрын
A euphonium is a c instrument but ok
@Bennim3 жыл бұрын
Technically, you are correct. The euphonium is in C in the fact that when playing in bass clef it is non-transposing, but the instrument itself is in Bb because its lowest fundamental pitch is Bb.
@del_boy_trotter3 жыл бұрын
@@Bennim Quite right, the pitch of the band is Concert pitch 'C' and as you rightly say, B flat is what the instrument is pitched at.
@Markworth3 жыл бұрын
Euphonium is generally in 9'Bb. It's first and second partial open pitch is Bb. It doesn't matter what clef you are reading. The way music is written and read is completely arbitrary.
@Metal-Possum3 жыл бұрын
It's a Bb instrument, same as the trombone, same as most lower brass instruments. Some of you perverts out there might read bass clef and play it untransposed, but for us folks in brass bands in the commonwealth, we read treble clef even for our biggest of instruments, with only the bass trombone given the option to read bass clef from time to time.