The Pokémon Timeline Explained (Pokemon Games)

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4 жыл бұрын

The Pokemon Timeline has never been officially confirmed in full, but we do know some and can piece a lot of it together due to hints from other games. Today we will be going over my guesses as to what the Pokemon timeline is, as well as any other alternate timelines or split off Pokemon timelines that there could be. The most popular alternate timeline is known as the Mega timeline, due to the differences between Pokemon ruby and Sapphire as well as Omega ruby and Alpha Sapphire. This does get a bit confusing at points since there isn't much continuity, and to be realistic there probably isn't an official timeline due to these issues, but it's still fun to try and piece together the Pokemon universe!
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@bensjammin9
@bensjammin9 3 жыл бұрын
In Let’s Go, dialogue with Blue makes it clear that their universe’s Red and Blue had a much different journey that we’ve never experienced. Blue said the Pokédex hadn’t been invented yet and that he and Red had to use notebooks and pens to log their findings. I’m pretty sure he didn’t mention Team Rocket either.
@Gohka
@Gohka 3 жыл бұрын
TBF the "had to use notebooks" thing might just be a reference to how in RBY the pokédex on the table looks just like an open book. Still agree though that it seems pretty clear that Red and Blue in LGP/E did not have the same adventure as they did in RBY.
@brya9681
@brya9681 3 жыл бұрын
lets just ignore the Let's go games
@frosty1865
@frosty1865 Жыл бұрын
@@brya9681 and all the remakes except FR/LG HG/SS
@pspdude2316
@pspdude2316 4 жыл бұрын
sinnoh is close enough to johto for the radio waves the sinjoh ruins exist after all
@pspdude2316
@pspdude2316 3 жыл бұрын
@Hyper Bole and the sinjoh ruins are even more north than the lake of rage.
@filmgedons3591
@filmgedons3591 3 жыл бұрын
maybe they weren't strong enough 🤷🏼‍♂️
@pspdude2316
@pspdude2316 3 жыл бұрын
@@filmgedons3591 a possibility. But an unlikely one
@baddragonite
@baddragonite 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like Let's Go isn't really meant to be taken as seriously in the timeline. It's sort of in the same boat as Pokémon GO. In fact it would be kinda funny if it turned out Let's Go was a videogame series withing the main series of games like Pokemon Quest is with Isle of Armor. Edit: also heh, 69th comment
@blazingtrs6348
@blazingtrs6348 3 жыл бұрын
with red, green, and blue as guest celebrities
@julianbartholomewnavarro912
@julianbartholomewnavarro912 3 жыл бұрын
I think it’s meant to kinda be a half filler game remake and half homage to the manga, since there are a lot of references to the manga like the obvious characters and the starter red chose
@MonkeBrain07
@MonkeBrain07 3 жыл бұрын
@@julianbartholomewnavarro912 Still pissed Red didn't have a Poliwrath in Let's Go, though.
@MonkeBrain07
@MonkeBrain07 3 жыл бұрын
@@Bobberino22 Right? Aerodactyl, Gyarados, and Espeon keeps getting the shaft.
@destintosell5548
@destintosell5548 3 жыл бұрын
I hope this is the case but since the go series games can send pokemon to the main series games I think they are considered cannon. I'm willing to be wrong.
@Francis-ht5td
@Francis-ht5td 4 жыл бұрын
I love that the alternate timeline got added in ORAS even though it makes the timeline even more crazy then it was
@destinywillowleaf219
@destinywillowleaf219 3 жыл бұрын
I always thought the thing with the Red Gyarados was a report about the event happening in the Lake of Rage, not something that also happened in Sinnoh. Another interesting thing with the timeline(s) is in Grimsley's design notes for Sun and Moon(which aren't on his Bulbapedia page but are around on the internet at large). The top-right notes that this is "Grimsley (two years later)" and since he's still in the Elite Four in BW2, it can sort of be assumed that SM/USUM are two years after B2W2(or its equivalent in the other timeline).
@nickdentoom1173
@nickdentoom1173 3 жыл бұрын
The problem is that Sina and Dexio mention the events of Kalos happening three years ago in SUMO.
@destinywillowleaf219
@destinywillowleaf219 3 жыл бұрын
@@nickdentoom1173 Wait, they actually specify an amount of time? I thought it was just a vague "yeah it happened a bit ago" or something to that effect. I'm not seeing any quotes from them saying Kalos was 3 years before SUMO on Bulbapedia, at least. Just a "This battle reminded me of us in the past..." in Heahea. If you know for sure Sina and Dexio says 3 years from XY to SUMO, I've got a few explanations/ideas: 1) It's somewhere from 2 to 3 years between BW2/XY and SUMO. 2) It's been 2 years since Grimsley showed up in Alola, but 3 years since the events of BW2/XY. 3) BW2 and XY aren't as concurrent as we thought. XY could start a little before BW2, but the events could play out mostly at the same time? So it's been 3 years since Kalos but closer to 2 for BW2. 4) The "two years later" in Grimsley's design sheet was supposed to be just for the artists, not for figuring out the progression of time in the series. 5) Game Freak didn't expect fans to think too hard on it and none of it matters
@nickdentoom1173
@nickdentoom1173 3 жыл бұрын
@@destinywillowleaf219 Deffo option 5. Gamefreak just doesn't give a shit anymore, because if they do, they basically need to remake every single game that came out after Johto at least.
@dorian2726
@dorian2726 4 жыл бұрын
i think the only explanation is either red didn’t deal with team rocket red failed it’s rainbow rocket but they don’t have their new suits yet or something
@DragonDArrior
@DragonDArrior 3 жыл бұрын
I think you kinda misunderstood the "Red-Gyarados-Part" in the Opening-Sequence of Diamond/Pearl/Platinum Cause Barry is saying stuff like "I bet there's a Red Gyarados in our Lake too", meaning that the TV-Show talked about the Red-Gyarados in Johto and Barry is hoping that there's one Red Gyarados in the Lake near Twinleaftown too
@clashingnoob1366
@clashingnoob1366 2 жыл бұрын
@@davemccombs but the point is the time we begin our journey in platinum / diamond / peral is exact time gold / Ethan was on that red gyarados thing so that make it even though this point is clear games are still in same timeline.
@K1ngofthedamned4
@K1ngofthedamned4 3 жыл бұрын
i never expected pokemon to be more complex and confusing than zelda
@DaSheepKiller
@DaSheepKiller 4 жыл бұрын
The Pokémon timeline was somewhat simple until ORAS came out. Then, it was all downhill from there.
@simple7708
@simple7708 3 жыл бұрын
Gen 6: yeah timeline split into non-mega and mega Gen 7: 2? How about infinite?
@nickdentoom1173
@nickdentoom1173 3 жыл бұрын
tbh, it can still be simple Timeline 1: All Originals games (Including XY, SUMO and ORAS) Timeline 2: Third version Timeline Timeline 3: Remake timeline Timeline 4: Lets Go Timeline As you see, every single timeline starts with a Kanto game.
@keokozonaioni9738
@keokozonaioni9738 2 жыл бұрын
@@nickdentoom1173 Let's Go is a timeline between the jhoto games in mega universe and after RGBY in which red didn't defeat the team rocket so it would make sense that's how the let's go takes place in and blue becoming Viridian gym leader which means it's before GSC. And Giovanni of that Let's Go Mega Universe went on to create Rainbow Rocket because of you remember that Giovanni wanted to make new organization in HGSS flashbacks and Mega Timeline + Classic Timelines are almost identical except the mega evolution it's possible that Giovanni had that plan even after gold defeated him and he found out about ultra wormholes multiverse etc to create rainbow rocket. Also we don't know if The Classic Timeline Giovanni Created Rainbow Rocket because that event is mainly for mega timeline
@matiasrivas1692
@matiasrivas1692 3 жыл бұрын
GoD takes place 5 years after Colosseum, there is an NPC at the start of the former that says so. Then the timeline would be something like this: FRLG - RSE - Colosseum *3 years later* HGSS - DPP *2 years later* GoD
@luisangelramosrocha4335
@luisangelramosrocha4335 3 жыл бұрын
Looker is a BIG piece in the puzzle of Pokémon Multiverse/Timeline, and still gets ignored every time there’s a video about it...
@frankorious3023
@frankorious3023 3 жыл бұрын
This is my timeline: Elemental timeline: R/B/Y -> G/S/C Advanced timeline: FR/LG - R/S/E -> HG/SS - D/P/Pt -> B/W -> B2W2 Infinity timeline: OR/AS -> X/Y -> S/M/US/UM -> Sw/Sh (Maybe) (In the future will be added the Sinnoh and unova remakes) I don't count Let's Go games because no. Also consider that the pokemon is a multiverse and each cartridge is its own universe, so there can be timelines with pokemon red or blue. Also there are universes that don't appear here like the ones with ultra beasts or the ones where the evil teams won (Rainbow Rocket).
@beppp01
@beppp01 3 жыл бұрын
I like Cydonia too
@malick9549
@malick9549 3 жыл бұрын
@@beppp01 Cydonia? Italian KZfaqr?
@beppp01
@beppp01 3 жыл бұрын
@@malick9549 Yup
@lionel1189
@lionel1189 4 жыл бұрын
This is my timeline: Classic Timeline: Red, Blue = Ruby, Sapphire >After 3 YRS< Gold, Silver = Diamond, Pearl >After 8 YRS< White, Black >After 2 YRS< White 2, Black 2 FAIRY Timeline Let’s Go Pikachu/Eevee = Omega/Alpha >After 13 YRS< Pokemon X/Y >After 2 YRS< Pokemon Ultra Sun/Moon I still don’t have enough information for Sword/Shield.
@powerrangerblue8566
@powerrangerblue8566 3 жыл бұрын
Fairy’s, no megas and not even mentioned, Dynamax is only possible because of a event that happened hundreds of years ago and exist exclusively in Galar. However No character from past games make a return nor does it mention anything outside of Galar. Unless it’s on mentioned on the random TVs.
@lionel1189
@lionel1189 3 жыл бұрын
@@powerrangerblue8566 Yeah maybe in future games we will have more information about Galar.
@tvirus9369
@tvirus9369 3 жыл бұрын
The gameboy games are there own time line so red/blue/yellow-gold/silver/crystal
@PTUBE101_
@PTUBE101_ 3 жыл бұрын
Pokémon Go would actually fit in the classic timeline before Red and Blue since Pokémon like Omanyte that are literally extinct in Red and Blue can be found in the wild in Pokémon Go
@tvirus9369
@tvirus9369 3 жыл бұрын
@@PTUBE101_ no because mega evolution
@FernandoRafaelNogueiraReis
@FernandoRafaelNogueiraReis 3 жыл бұрын
There's a thing called LW (longwave) which are wavelengths that can travel thousands of miles, fixing your problem with Jotho and Sinnoh.
@malick9549
@malick9549 3 жыл бұрын
Except that Sinnoh is north Johto(or at least close) due to Sinjoh ruins in HGSS.
@nickdentoom1173
@nickdentoom1173 3 жыл бұрын
Another problem is Kanto, who wasn't affected, which makes no sense considering Johto and Kanto are connected.
@pokefandylan2117
@pokefandylan2117 3 жыл бұрын
There is a possibility that Z-Moves are in the classic timeline's universe and that Dynamax is in the Mega timeline because even though there's no mention of those mechanics in the other universes, that doesn't mean that it can't be a thing in those timelines, unlike Mega Evolution.
@JKaiser994
@JKaiser994 3 жыл бұрын
Too add to this, Dynamax is only possible at certain power spots and requires wishing stars. So its possible it wasn't discovered yet. For Z moves, possibly just not learned off their existence yet either
@nickdentoom1173
@nickdentoom1173 3 жыл бұрын
One problem: An NPC in Alola mentions Power Spots, which puts the Alola games and the Galar games in the same timeline (And then i haven't even mentioned that you get Type: Null post-game in Galar).
@pokefandylan2117
@pokefandylan2117 3 жыл бұрын
@@nickdentoom1173 oh, interesting, where was that? also there could still be Type: Null in the non-mega timeline, who knows?
@clashingnoob1366
@clashingnoob1366 2 жыл бұрын
@@pokefandylan2117 fun fact: in Pokemon sun and moon there was poster of gigantamax toxtricity that confirms that sword and shield take place in same timeline and they got z moves and stuff too!
@pokefandylan2117
@pokefandylan2117 2 жыл бұрын
@@clashingnoob1366 ohhhh right, i forgot about that, i guess that might be something although we still don't know if the Alola games take place in the same timeline cause we don't know if there's multiple timelines with g-max mons in them or not, it could be that sun and moon take place in a timeline with dynamax and megas but sw/sh could take place in a timeline with dynamax and no megas, it's pretty hard to say rn
@jackhaehl2033
@jackhaehl2033 3 жыл бұрын
Since games from the same generation can be at different points in a timeline, we can only assume that in the back of every Pokemon center where you go for link battles/trades is a TARDIS
@DeepWeeb
@DeepWeeb 4 жыл бұрын
When Matsumiya says that ORAS takes place at the same time as FRLG, I'm pretty sure he actually meant the OG Ruby, Sapphire and (especially) Emerald. As in FRLG there's a whole side-quest to allow connectivity between games, and FRLG and Emerald will actually have unique stylized sprites for Red, Leaf, Brendan and May if you connect each other. (In reality all of the remakes get retconned to take place in the same time period as the generation they are being remade to make connectivity between games "diegetic") Seeing how the tweet was made before the launch of ORAS (and a likely reason why it got deleted) is that the concept of the multiverse hadn't been introduced until the additional Delta Episode. So ORAS takes place in an alternative continuity with Megas, why Wally hasn't aged in Sun and Moon as those games might be closer to XY's events than FRLG now (and the copy-pasted Battle Maison + an origin story for Kalos' Mr. Bonding in Hoenn). From there they just dropped the idea of a consistent timeline as they realized that since Pokémon it's majorly aimed towards children, and most of them might have never played any of those older games so why bother.
@legoworld246
@legoworld246 3 жыл бұрын
I think Let's Go takes place in the Mega Timeline, possibly 1 or 2 years before ORAS. Since those games have Megas, they must be part of that timeline, and that way they would happen close enough to the events of Hoenn, similarly to how the original Kanto games were simultaneous with the Hoenn games. Also it would explain why Red and Blue aged while Wally didn't. They were already older go begin with, since in that game's story they already went through their journey. And also, since a younger Mina appears in Let's Go, it also fits with her age if those games happen before ORAS instead of simultaneously, since she also aged while Wally didn't. Alternatively, these games DO happen simultaneously, and Wally just doesn't age because of his illness.
@vincenthall5908
@vincenthall5908 3 жыл бұрын
I just assumed wally doesnt look older because hes sickly
@nickdentoom1173
@nickdentoom1173 3 жыл бұрын
@@legoworld246 The Problem is Mina appears in Lets Go. Considering Red and Blue are in their twenties, Mina also has to be in her twenties, but then she (And by Extenstion Illma, since they are the same age), cannot be trial captains anymore, since they need to retire when they turn 20. So Lets Go cannot be set 20 years before the Alola games, which then provides another problem, since Red and Blue aren't in their twenties in Lets Go (They are around 14/15 in that game, same as Mina).
@Big_Marsh
@Big_Marsh 4 жыл бұрын
This is really interesting to me. I always assumed that the games took place one after another. I'm defiently gonna research this more. Great video dude 👍
@julianbartholomewnavarro912
@julianbartholomewnavarro912 3 жыл бұрын
What about the villain win timelines? I mean we know they exist since rainbow team rocket exists. Maybe Giovanni in USUM is from the timeline where there was red and blue protagonist or no let’s go protagonist to stop him and so his plan to catch mewtwo with the master ball and take over Kanto worked. This claim could also be backed up by the fact that mega evolution exists in the lets go games and Giovanni has a mega mewtwo. Also, maybe in the mega timeline (XY ORAS and the sun and moon games) have the canon Kanto adventure be the let’s go games since one of the captains in USUM appears in the let’s go games. Not only that but red is never said in USUM to have defeated team rocket, only become champion along with blue (or green if you’re Japanese)
@ProjectMirai64
@ProjectMirai64 4 жыл бұрын
Nice video! I honestly do agree with most of the timelines and I think you did a pretty good job at making them.
@MrVK1993
@MrVK1993 3 жыл бұрын
This video started like season 1 of Lost and ended as season 6
@EvyDevy
@EvyDevy 3 жыл бұрын
A bit late but there is more evidence for the timeline placements. X & Y happen after Platinum (gen 4) based which the Looker post game of X & Y. An artbook says Grimsley is 2 years older in Sun & Moon than in Black 2 & White 2. Many say gen 3 remakes take place same time as gen 6 due to Scyamore being contacted about Megas in it I believe. This is backed up by Wally not looking different in Sun & Moon. The Anabel in gen 7 games is highly suggested to be the one from Emerald who got into the Sun & Moon timeline 10 years prior. (So OG gen 3 and gen 7 have a 10 year gap at the minimum.) Mina from Sun & Moon appear in Let's Go and an artbook says she's 13-15 years old. Mina can't be 20 or older since she's a captain and captains can't be that old according to gen 7 so that means Let's Go happens at most 7 years before gen 7. As for Sword & Shield, Type:Null is in it showing the events prior to Sun & Moon happened but that's not enough to give it a definitive timeline placement.
@nickdentoom1173
@nickdentoom1173 3 жыл бұрын
Problem is that ORAS has to be set before XY, since in the ORAS post-game, you created Mr. Bonding, who shows up as an old man in XY (While he is a in his thirties in ORAS) and Looker appears in both ORAS and XY as well.
@seanalailima5929
@seanalailima5929 2 жыл бұрын
Another theory: Mallow has the Mandela effect of Captains retiring at 20 (aka: She remembers that they retire but it could've been something else to do when a Captain is 20).
@acrobaticjazzie
@acrobaticjazzie 4 жыл бұрын
I'd like to think that the special editions are my head canon (Yellow, Crystal, etc) and that's because I've only played it and here's why: They usually add something new to the history as you said in the Emerald part (Team Magma/Aqua interacting with each other) or Eusine? (The guy from Crystal) or even Cyrus (in Platinum) adding a little backstory to him and Giratina's part in the game. One thing I noticed writing this is for example, evolutions added in Gen 4 but not present in the regional Pokedex of D/P. For example Glaceon and Leafeon. You can have eevee after beating the game but in platinum they gift it to you. That means that somehow eevee doesn't exist in D/P timeline despite having evolutions "discovered" In Sinnoh but in platinum does? What do you think?
@nickdentoom1173
@nickdentoom1173 4 жыл бұрын
Don't forget the Rotom forms that got added as well.
@lightyagami3492
@lightyagami3492 2 жыл бұрын
Dont forget the spikey eared pichu in HG and SS along with the time traveling celebi event.
@EdgardoJCruz-dk5kv
@EdgardoJCruz-dk5kv 4 жыл бұрын
14:04 Actually both Pokken Tournament and Pokemon Go have Shadow Pokemon too.
@LagrimaArdiente
@LagrimaArdiente 3 жыл бұрын
IIRC, BW has a reference to Team Galactic's disbandment, and there's a couple living in the same house as the Rocket grunt in the other set of Gen V games who confirm having being a part of Teams Magma and Aqua, further solidifying the Unova games' placement in the timeline. Mina shows up as a kid in the Let's Go games and she's a teen in the Alola games, so that confirms that LGPE take place before SM/USUM.
@nickdentoom1173
@nickdentoom1173 3 жыл бұрын
Problem is that LGPE cannot take place before SM/USUM, since Red and Blue are older than 20 in those games, while Mina isn't (And if she was, she couldn't be a trial captain cuz those cannot be older than 20) and considering Ilima and Mina are the same age, that means Illima cannot be a trial captain by extension either.
@LagrimaArdiente
@LagrimaArdiente 3 жыл бұрын
@@nickdentoom1173 Blue and Red are older in LGPE than they were in Red and Blue (as confirmed by Blue when he meets the player in Pewter and talks about starting his journey a few years earlier), so if SM/USUM takes place ~10 years later, they would still fit the Bill of being 20+ in age (maybe like 23, 24 or so). The trial captains can be trial captains until the age of 19. If Mina is 8 or 9 in LGPE, then she can still be trial captain in Alola 10 years later. Not all the trial captains have the same age as each other in the games. Kiawe is directly confirmed to be 19 in one of the versions (I forget which one), and therefore on his last year as captain, but Lana, Acerola and Sophocles are clearly younger than that.
@nickdentoom1173
@nickdentoom1173 3 жыл бұрын
@@LagrimaArdiente Mina is deffo at least 2 year older than the player character in Lets Go.
@blitzmane9177
@blitzmane9177 3 жыл бұрын
Mario timeline: its time to save the princess for the 123,457,890th time Pokémon timeline: *you didn’t have to cut me off*
@LunarWingCloud
@LunarWingCloud 4 жыл бұрын
I remember seeing the video from MandJTV about the timeline of Red (the trainer) specifically, and honestly this video just reconfirms that how the wrote Red across all the games makes things a lot messier than they might have been otherwise. Let's Go is egregious with this unfortunately because of how inconsistent it is with a lot of the other games, I try to think of Let's Go as its own pocket timeline/universe because so much of what happens there does not line up with the main timeline(s)
@StarrDust12
@StarrDust12 3 жыл бұрын
in my opinion, lets go is definitely NOT canon
@nickdentoom1173
@nickdentoom1173 3 жыл бұрын
@@StarrDust12 Your opinion doesn't matter, since Gamefreak has confirmed it is 100% canon.
@StarrDust12
@StarrDust12 3 жыл бұрын
@@nickdentoom1173 fine... its canon in an alternate universe
@cheesewedge
@cheesewedge 2 жыл бұрын
@@StarrDust12 every single game is its own slightly different universe, so that changes nothing
@doriandaykin2747
@doriandaykin2747 3 жыл бұрын
Off topic question: when we get Diamond and Pearl remakes, do you think they will have Dynamax? Because ORAS had Mega Evolution, and so I just wanted to know what you think?
@PaPaSea
@PaPaSea 3 жыл бұрын
If it’s a generation 8 game then I think we’ll have Dynamax instead of Megas
@doriandaykin2747
@doriandaykin2747 3 жыл бұрын
@@PaPaSea yeah, I was thinking that but it seems unlikely
@giovanni1234580
@giovanni1234580 3 жыл бұрын
maybe, they would have to change the gyms to make them like stadiums right?
@TMek42
@TMek42 3 жыл бұрын
@@AdeptCharon here's a reason to why a Sinnoh remake is unlikely in gen 8; its pretty reasonable to equate the SwSh DLCs as a 'third version' replacement right? and ever since gen 5, each generation has consisted of 3 years - with one of those years being a mainline/remake gap year (if Lets Go isn't considered a main series entry - which GF have said iirc). 2019 had SwSh release, 2020 had the DLC, so 2021 will likely have no main series game, then 2022 for gen 9 if the trend continues. Check out en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_(video_game_series) and look at the 'release timeline' chart and you'll see the trend for yourself. Obviously this isn't a 100% outcome, but I will bet on this being how it ends up.
@nickdentoom1173
@nickdentoom1173 3 жыл бұрын
@@TMek42 This didn't age well.
@norwayguy7649
@norwayguy7649 3 жыл бұрын
It would be so awesome if Nintendo decided to make a new game today and make it as the first timeline game, heavily based on theories etc which connects all the missing links
@samuelaugenstern5822
@samuelaugenstern5822 4 жыл бұрын
I now want to see a video on Pokemon geography because you brought it up. Is it all real world places? Or is each location loosely based on the real world?
@PaPaSea
@PaPaSea 4 жыл бұрын
I'll get to geography eventually. What we do know though is that each region is based on a real world place, but those regions are not the exact same as what they are based on. That's why although we have 4 regions based on different parts of Japan, I don't think that means that they are all located in the exact spots as the real world places they are based off of
@RTheu2109
@RTheu2109 3 жыл бұрын
i like to think that each version of games is an alternate dimention of sorts, so basically ever since R\B\Y there has been 3 different timelines(so 3 different Reds can exist), mostly because even if they have the same history, they have different pokemon sometimes without explanation to why they are there. But then came OR\AS that made a new timeline with the mega\origin forms, and like was in this video not all Reds that appear are the same, in the Let's Go timeline he didn't defeat Team Rocket, so there are subtle hints here and there to the timeline of events, just got to be creative sometimes to see them, and keep in mind that it's not just the plot or certain details like different pokemons that can make for a whole different universe, sometimes tiny little details counts too.
@JosiahHerring
@JosiahHerring 3 жыл бұрын
(Disclaimer, I know the events I'm talking about are different Timelines, but I believe it's safe to assume similar events happen in both, due to characters like Grimsley from B2W2 appearing in the Sun and Moon games, as well as Let's Go mentioning Ethan/Lyra indirectly in a vision from Sabrina. So when I talk about the events of FRLG in relation to Let's Go or ORAS, I mostly just mean a version of those events that are similar enough to call out.) So I have a problem with RSE/ORAS taking place at the same time as FRLG. In HGSS (which is 100% confirmed to be 3 Years after FRLG), Steven Stone shows up in the Post Game and says he's the Champion of Hoenn. But if RSE/ORAS take place at the same time as FRLG, May/Brendan should already be Champion. I think it's more likely RSE/ORAS takes place after HGSS. But still has to take place before B2W2 due to an Aqua and Magma Grunt appearing married with a kid in that game. Since ORAS seems to take place Semi-Close to XY, which are said to take place simultaneously with B2W2, ORAS takes place during BW or in-between BW and B2W2? Also, unrelated, but Let's Go is confirmed to be 2 years before HGSS since Sabrina mentions having a vision of a Trainer challenging her in 2 years time, and in HGSS she tells the player that she had a vision of you arriving to challenge her, meaning Let's Go is 1 Year after FRLG. I think it's possible that in this Timeline, Red either never defeated Team Rocket, or he traveled Universes to reach the Let's Go Universe. We also know that in Let's Go, Blue mentions that Professor Oak didn't have a finished Pokedex when he went on his journey, and had Blue (and maybe Red?) scribble down information and Locations on a Map. So we know that at least in the world of Let's Go, Blue's journey was different in that regard.
@tiagoandmax
@tiagoandmax 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting
@MercuryA2000
@MercuryA2000 3 жыл бұрын
For your point about Steven saying he's the champion, I would like to argue that, even though you beat him, he still is. There's two different definitions of champion, and I don't think we can use them interchangeably. You, the player, are a Champion: a person who has defeated or surpassed all rivals in a competition, especially in sports. You're one of, if not the strongest in the region, especially after you beat the post game rematch E4. But you don't run the E4. You get booted out and nothing happens. Steven meanwhile, is the Champion: a person who fights or argues for a cause or on behalf of someone else. He is chosen in one way or another to run the region. His job, like the rest of the champions, is to protect the region. Lance does it in gen 2. Cynthia does in gen 4. Alder fails in BW (which might be why he steps down before BW2) They have a title and responsibilities beyond just training pokemon. Now, wait a few years and pretty much all of the PCs could probably earn this title fairly easily, but for now, they're too young, not vetted, not willing, or some other reason to not let them carry the weight of a region. In Alola, the pokemon league is being founded. Its not tied to the government, at least not strongly. You are called the champion because they need someone to stand there, you've got the respect of at least 2 deities (Koko and Nebby) and in general, have done pretty good. You don't have any responsibilities because the Kahunas already do that job. In Galar, the pokemon league is more of a sports event. I don't think you can deny that really. And since its a sport, not a job, they don't really have to care who is the champion. Just make sure they don't do anything too bad, and it could be anyone really. If there's something to contradict my analysis, please let me know. To me, this differentiation makes the most sense when you factor in player age, the fact no one cares you beat the league, and general logic.
3 жыл бұрын
@@MercuryA2000 wow, man! Your analysis was awesome! It really makes sense on why you're never the champion. Actually, in ORAS postgame, Steven is seen passing his title to Wallace, IIRC. And in Pokémon Masters, I'm not sure, but I think Brendan mentions he didn't accepted his title as Champion. Maybe I just remembered it wrong, though. Anyway, is it okay if I share this analysis on my channel?
@MercuryA2000
@MercuryA2000 3 жыл бұрын
@ Thank you! I just like world building, so I came up with a reason behind that, among other things. I don't remember ORAS postgame that well, or Brendan saying that in masters (In masters I get the vibe its not even postgame Brendan tbh). Do you know where he says that? Uh... sure. You can share it if you want. Just credit me and link me it k?
3 жыл бұрын
@@MercuryA2000 Sure man! About ORAS Postgame, it's after you defeat deoxys, IIRC. And Brendan I think it's in one of his "a day with trainer" interactions. Not sure which or if it's really true, though. Maybe I ended up mixing it with a headcannon or something?...
@MercuryA2000
@MercuryA2000 3 жыл бұрын
You made it so much more complex than it needs to be. We already know that alternate dimensions exist. The Delta episode in ORAS confirmed that. As such, you can combine the yellow, altered, and classic timelines, with the justification being slight variations between the worlds and larger butterfly effects. Let's go varies so differently from the other games in most ways, so it could justifiably be a different timeline as well, especially if they ever make lets go pichu and cleffa or something for Johto. You can slot it into the mega timeline if you want though, I just think it fits better as a smaller, more contained timeline.
@cozasful
@cozasful 3 жыл бұрын
Radio waves travel an enormous amount of distance while not weakening the signal too much. Theoretically if one could be on uranus with a radio dector and tuned in at the right frequency they'd be able to listen to old earth radio shows.
@cozasful
@cozasful 3 жыл бұрын
There is a connection through Sinjoh ruins. Now that alone doesn't confirm that it is an actual geographical link to the 2 regions. Could be some ruins in the "style" of sinohnian art and architecture. But that could imply that the 2 regions are close enough so ancient people from johto could have travelled to Sinnoh and get inspired
@cozasful
@cozasful 3 жыл бұрын
Also it could be a TV show reporting on the events of Johto. I don't think we have confirmation that the event is taking place in Sinnoh
@AliceObscura
@AliceObscura 3 жыл бұрын
My favorite theory is that each subsequent game is a prequel. That's why there are more and more pokémon. Basically, the time we get to red and blue, pokémon are almost extinct.
@kurama2730
@kurama2730 3 жыл бұрын
Most pokemon timelines fail to forget that Pokemon Yellow is actually the one that comes in the timeline first because red has Venusaur Blastoise and Charizard in Pokemon yellow the only game where you can get all three of them together except for Let's do let's go games
@JaybeePenaflor
@JaybeePenaflor 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve actually wondered about the timeline myself. Things can get complicated though as we can consider each game or copy of the game as a parallel universe on its own.
@PaPaSea
@PaPaSea 4 жыл бұрын
It is really complicated for Pokémon. I can easily see arguments for moving around the timeline I made since so little is known overall
@JaybeePenaflor
@JaybeePenaflor 4 жыл бұрын
Blue Shy Guy So confusing, they split the timeline into three, and later say that Breath of the Wild is the future to all three.
@JaybeePenaflor
@JaybeePenaflor 4 жыл бұрын
@Blue Shy Guy In terms of timeline placement, I think somewhere before Breath of the Wild, but just like you, I am hoping for an announcement from Nintendo on when it'll be out.
@RobotGuy405
@RobotGuy405 3 жыл бұрын
I honestly think Let's Go is it's own timeline. Blue is a recurring character during the events of the story, and is stated to have once been champion, before Red took the title, just like before. However, Blue never mentions having fought Team Rocket. His and Red's journey also took place BEFORE the invention of the Pokédex, seeing as Blue says he had to write down entries on paper, and habitats on a map. As well, both Red AND Green (Leaf, as some would call her in FRLG) appear. In the timeline with FRLG, it's pretty explicit that Red is the canon gender option for Kanto, meaning that in the Let's Go universe Red, Blue, AND Green all started their journey's at the same time. That combined with Red's drastically different team tell me that Let's Go is it's own timeline.
@nickdentoom1173
@nickdentoom1173 3 жыл бұрын
Mina appearing in Lets Go is the problem though.
@RobotGuy405
@RobotGuy405 3 жыл бұрын
@@nickdentoom1173 How so?
@nickdentoom1173
@nickdentoom1173 3 жыл бұрын
@@RobotGuy405 Because it connects Lets Go with Sun and Moon.
@RobotGuy405
@RobotGuy405 3 жыл бұрын
@@nickdentoom1173 Or maybe it's just that a character can exist in two alternate timelines at the same time? It's not like the Red here is the same one from Gen 2, they had different journeys.
@ishtarvonrordelia
@ishtarvonrordelia 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant Diamond & Shining Pearl: "I'm about to end this man's whole career"
@compte1connu11
@compte1connu11 3 жыл бұрын
all that i have to add is that sword and shield might take place a long time after black and white 2 since in the game opal's card mention that she is a gym leader since 80 years even tho gym are somewhat still a new thing in the pokemon world of other games
@reelbytes6447
@reelbytes6447 3 жыл бұрын
I wish we’d get more classic timeline games
@mromero1124
@mromero1124 3 жыл бұрын
Idk why but I completely zoned out watching you encounter that politoad
@rickysingh7896
@rickysingh7896 3 жыл бұрын
The link between fire red and leaf green and the sapphire and ruby is the crystals in the post game of the sevi islands being a ruby and a sapphire that’s why they are in the same time frame
@Ironwill3004
@Ironwill3004 3 жыл бұрын
The key is Looker: He is stranded on the beach in ORAS with no memory He is present later in DP as a detective, and appears for the postgame for BW He is also in the XY POSTGAME, which could be important since, in the B2W2 comics, he is a part of the main plot... But maybe I’m stretching things
@Ironwill3004
@Ironwill3004 3 жыл бұрын
I think his story would be interesting to try to connect, though.
@zorahhh6882
@zorahhh6882 2 жыл бұрын
Help, I'm binge watching PaPaSea and I can't stop.
@jacksonlague7304
@jacksonlague7304 3 жыл бұрын
9:02 When you realize putting the box arts for USUM together makes Ultra Necrozmas face
@Abraham_Torres
@Abraham_Torres 3 жыл бұрын
I definitely agree with the tweet’s timeline whether there’s Megas or not, and it makes sense for it since they later say Red and Blue in Alola are 10 yrs older than they were during their journey back in the Kanto games, whether it’s the OGs or FRLG. Also there’s potentially 3 or 4 solid timelines as of SWSH. The tweet’s timeline works for both the Classic and Mega timelines, even by using the respective Sister or Remake games in place of the OG games. ORAS does work in the same spot as the RSE, and a version XY without Megas could also happen along the events of BW2. So for both Classic and Mega timelines you have something like - FRLG=ORAS, 2yrs> HGSS=DPPt, 3yrs> BW, 2yrs, BW2=XY, 3yrs> USUM. As told by Zinnia in ORAS, Implied by Lysandre in XY, and later shown with Anabel in Gen 7, these timelines have interacted with eachother, how a decision made in one, never happened in the other one, like A-Z’s weapon, and how Anabel traveled through an Ultra Wormhole from Emerald and landing in the Mega line. However, these interactions between timelines do contradict the stated timeline since Anabel was about the same age as she was in Emerald, but later is seen older in Gen7, showing progression of time in that order. Z-moves could happen in both since it’s an Alolan creation outside of Mega Stones, and were made using crystals from Necrozma. Zmoves are more prominent in the Alola region due to the Tapus, unless someone uses it outside of Alola which should be possible, if the Tapus deem it so lol. The Let’s Go version of events do create a 3rd timeline were Megas do exists, however Elaine or Chase do now take the place of Red or Leaf. The OG Kanto characters here have already done their travels, but the events are the same as in Red and Blue or Yellow, and FRLG. I’d say there’s similar events across the Let’s go Timeline where May, Ethan, Dawn and the rest of the protagonists do exist, but they have an alternate journey, and we’d be introduced to new characters that take their place from their OG games. The events of SWSH, by this logic could happen across all timelines, but when is the question. It could also be a start of a new timeline, even if Megas and/or Zmoves return.
@shadowwizard2383
@shadowwizard2383 3 жыл бұрын
Swsh is definitely in the mega timeline ether at the same time or after sm/usum for a couple of reasons 1 we get type null in the battle tower 2 in usum their is a poster for gmax toxicity 3 in usum their is a tourist girl that says do you think this is a power spot.
@the_watermelon1725
@the_watermelon1725 3 жыл бұрын
I don't think that Oras and sun and moon are in the same universe as let’s go, basically because of the design of red and blue in sun and moon, in those game they look more like red and blue from pokemon fire red and leaf green and the design of red and blue from let’s go are more like they in the manga or the original games (pokemon red and blue).
@JseanPrime
@JseanPrime 3 жыл бұрын
Since Ultra Beasts are now in Sw/Sh thanks to the crown tundra, and some minor references to Gen 7, does that make Sw/Sh part of the mega timeline or do Ultra Beasts have the ability to also travel through different timelines as well?
@PaPaSea
@PaPaSea 3 жыл бұрын
I have no idea it’s all screwed up and you can make a lot of points around different timelines
@agruiz94
@agruiz94 3 жыл бұрын
What about the RR episode in USUM that features Ghetsis, the evil mind behind team Plasma featured in BW/B2W2. Wouldn't that somehow tie the Mega Timeline with 5th generation. Or that would simple put 7th generation in the middle and split into branch timelines!?
@TheDarkFuryKnight
@TheDarkFuryKnight 3 жыл бұрын
We need more timeline splitts with side games and editions
@Toby_Price
@Toby_Price 3 жыл бұрын
I personally count the first Pokémon Ranger game to be parallel with the Ruby and Sapphire games, as it appears the Fiore region is the native region for the Hoenn starters.
@dragonch0ch0ch06
@dragonch0ch0ch06 2 жыл бұрын
z moves are a alola only thing because you need to get a stone from one of the tapus to use it, which again only exist on alola so i dont think you can put sun and moon in their own timeline based on that
@matthewmattu1406
@matthewmattu1406 3 жыл бұрын
The big problem with swoshi is that there's no reoccurring characters (or at least, none that I know of). If there was, it would probably be easier to place in the timeline
@nickdentoom1173
@nickdentoom1173 3 жыл бұрын
But there are some things that tie them to the other games though. An NPC in Alola mentions Power Spots, which happen in Galar An NPC in Galar mentions Kanto. Another one mentions he saw all the way from Kalos to Galar. You get Type: Null post-game Kabu is from Hoenn. Basically, every single region gets at least one reference.
@1bandzzz
@1bandzzz 3 жыл бұрын
Aye best one is with the lil big ol red bird bru bru
@incogneeto982
@incogneeto982 2 жыл бұрын
Black and white are confirmed in their own games that they are separate timelines. You can see it in the 8th gym city
@yeah.cheers
@yeah.cheers 3 жыл бұрын
Anyone ever noticed the Pokemon Yellow boxart has a big typo? It says "link to both and blue versions to catch all 150 monsters" - It should say "link to both RED and blue [etc.]"
@vinum-was-there
@vinum-was-there Жыл бұрын
Pokémon Colosseum has Trainer Red (in Ken Sugumori design), so I can say that Colosseum ( 2 ) and Gale of Darkness XD are part of canonical history.
@JRRDC
@JRRDC Жыл бұрын
Isn't that those so called power up "Gimmicks", like Mega Evolution, are native only to their own region, so maybe it is not necessary that the other region also has that on them, so maybe B2W2 and X&Y take places at the same time, just my thoughts. Edit: It is so cool to cover and talk about this kind of topic on your channel, i wanna see more of this, you're awesome.
@JRRDC
@JRRDC Жыл бұрын
So maybe the B2W2 events may take place at the same time as X&Y, because at those times, Mega Evolution is natively in that region, and eventually spread throughout the pokemon world.
@destintosell5548
@destintosell5548 3 жыл бұрын
No clue where pokemon go could fit into this. However Go does have shadow pokemon and megas.
@christopherv2639
@christopherv2639 3 жыл бұрын
I like Bird Keeper Tobies version of the timelines whereby each game version is its own timeline based on region exclusives. E.g. red and silver have the same region exclusives and blue and gold have the same sk they are their own timeline.
@clashingnoob1366
@clashingnoob1366 2 жыл бұрын
I believe that Pokemon sword and shield takes place in both classic and mega timeline because in ultra sun and moon and Sun and moon there's a Easter egg of gigantamax toxtricity means dynamax exist in both timelines and this might also proof that z - moves and mega evolution are in Pokemon sword and shield they were just not present in.
@colwarsstudiobrickfilmandm8580
@colwarsstudiobrickfilmandm8580 3 жыл бұрын
This is so complex! I bet it took forever to make😀
@PaPaSea
@PaPaSea 3 жыл бұрын
It did
@Gayngar420
@Gayngar420 3 жыл бұрын
Hey! You said there was nothing suggesting that a red Gyrados appeared in Sinnoh, but if I recal, don’t they mention a red Gyrados in the news when you start platinum? They never outright said that this was referring to the one in Johto!
@cylland5060
@cylland5060 3 жыл бұрын
The creation of the mega stones happend hundreds of years ago, so black and white having no megas must be just the fact that the developers did not created this feature yet, a good explanation could be that unova pokemon do not mega evolve and red may not have gone to khalos yet si he did not had a mega stone when he was in the Unova turnement, mega stones are really rare so they may only exist close to khalos and are just being exported.
@powerrangerblue8566
@powerrangerblue8566 3 жыл бұрын
I actually forgot that Pokémon had a timeline. This could explain why gen 8 doesn’t have megas. Crazy I never thought about that.
@dyrtiredd4906
@dyrtiredd4906 3 жыл бұрын
Pokémon history makes real life historians. 🔥 #blessings #peace #love
@thefilmrookie3099
@thefilmrookie3099 3 жыл бұрын
Mega evolution is a new and rare phenomenon in the game. Not many people know about it. Most people in the game calling it an orb. Not even the professor knows much about it. So hence X and Y would make sense later in the timeline.
@agirlinsearchof9057
@agirlinsearchof9057 3 жыл бұрын
I think there was something in Pokémon Black/White that referenced Platinum specifically (as opposed to a reference that could apply to Diamond, Pearl, or Platinum) when you talk to Cynthia. I _think_ it might have been a reference to Giratina? In which case, it’s unlikely that Diamond and Pearl take place in the same timeline as Black and White. You can get it in Diamond and Pearl, but Cynthia only canonically sees it in Platinum (as Giratina is completely optional in Diamond and Pearl). Unless you want to say that the player character canonically caught a completely optional Pokémon and used it in a rematch (seeing as how Turnback Cave isn’t available until post-game in those games) against Cynthia, who found a Pokémon (completely arbitrarily as far as she would be concerned in that timeline) notable enough to learn its name and bring it up who-knows-how-long later. Sorry to make your timeline situation even hairier.
@turtleanton6539
@turtleanton6539 2 жыл бұрын
Nice
@spectrum7617
@spectrum7617 3 жыл бұрын
The timeline meant that kanto and hoenn events at same time jhoto and sinnoh events at same time black and white and bw2 with kanto
@felidaebi6239
@felidaebi6239 3 жыл бұрын
I would say there are multiple universe 1) old and original non mega games 2) remakes 3)mega timeline 4) go time line
@pixelgamersgaming5649
@pixelgamersgaming5649 3 жыл бұрын
This is what I think X/Y start splitting the timelines into mega timeline and normal timeline (I'll talk about the normal timeline first ) Red/blue/fire red/leaf green start off with ruby/sapphire Red defeats team rocket and it disbands Gold/silver Go with diamond/pearl. Red has an espeon and is on mt silver Black/white Normal events Black2/white2 Two years after b/w Sun/moon/ultra sun/ultra moon. Megas don't exist also different timeline for s/m and us/um Sword/shield. Megas don't exist This timeline ends Mega timeline: X/Y starts off normally with Megas Let's Go / omega ruby/ alpha sapphire start after red became champion and never defeated team rocket Heart gold/soul silver/diamond/pearl Mega evo wasn't discovered yet but now red has a lapras Black black2 and white and white2. stay the same with no mega discovered yet Sun/moon/ultra sun/ultra moon Megas exist also different timeline for s/m and us/um Sword /shield Megas might exist we just haven't seen them yet Clearing things up: Sun and moon / ultra sun and ultra moon must happen a long time after red/blue/firered/leafgreen/letsgo because red is an adult then Black and white 2 happens two years after black and white You said z moves and Megas must be in the same timeline but if Sword shield happens in both timelines then so can alola meaning z moves exists in both universes because z moves is an alolan thing and we see people from alola in the isle of armor the person with the digglet says she is from Alola Ultra sun and ultra moon has to be in a different universe from sun and moon due to the vastly different stories so there has to be two more timelines for usum no Megas and for Megas Oras happens at the same time as rs but in different timelines Heart gold and soul silver is in a different timeline as the original gold and silver because of the change in Pokémon being lapras/espeon And one last thing RED NEVER DEFEATED TEAM ROCKET IN THE MEGA UNIVERSE and that is why lets go replaces the original red/blue games
@cici5676
@cici5676 4 жыл бұрын
you deserve all the subscribers in the world
@hellas3191
@hellas3191 4 жыл бұрын
In sword and shield i dont like the less of mega evolves and previous trainers like sylvia and red aren t in the game and z moves
@LloomiDreamz
@LloomiDreamz 2 жыл бұрын
im wondering if ash is in the mega bc mega evo exists and it was shown in sun and moon but ash has had past adventures maybe X and Y and Sun and moon (not the ultras) are in the og timeline
@LloomiDreamz
@LloomiDreamz 2 жыл бұрын
unless the anime doesnt count
@PaPaSea
@PaPaSea 2 жыл бұрын
anime doesn’t count I said i was only doing the games
@LloomiDreamz
@LloomiDreamz 2 жыл бұрын
@@PaPaSea ok thanks
@PTUBE101_
@PTUBE101_ 3 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: Pokémon Go would actually come before Pokémon Red and Blue since fossil Pokémon like Omanyte can be found in the wild on Pokémon Go
@PaPaSea
@PaPaSea 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t think Pokémon go fits into this timeline since it’s very different
@nickdentoom1173
@nickdentoom1173 3 жыл бұрын
I mean, in that argument that makes Galar set before Red and Blue (Which is factually impossible due to Type: Null being a thing in Galar) because the fossils appear in the wild in the CT DLC.
@monke12354
@monke12354 Жыл бұрын
CLASSIC TIMELINE I just assume all of the combination games serve as one timeline, where Fire Red & Leaf Green and Black & White were supposed to have combination games (Thunder Yellow, Gray, Gray 2). I then just assume that there is only one continuation of this timeline possible: • Combination games of the next gens *(X & Y > Z, Ultra Sun & Ultra Moon > Ultra Dawn, Sword & Shield > Knight)* without megas, Z-moves, or any of the gimmicks occured, which we will never experience. (Unless they're gimmicks from completely newly discovered regions, or from regions so small and isolated that they would be very rare to see in other regions... like maybe Z-moves) MEGA TIMELINE Pretty much all you said about the Mega Timeline. These are all of the actual Gen 6+ games, but you have to assume that there are unreleased combination games we will never play WHEN TIMELINES CROSS It's well known that Annabel from USUM is originally from Pokemon Emerald's Battle Frontier and was sucked into an ultra wormhole into the Mega Timeline. CONCLUSION So, my head cannon or whatever is that there are only two timelines - one with battle gimmicks and one without. SIDE NOTE If you wanna get super dumb, you could also make tons of alternate timelines with the split games and whatnot. The games were originally made as split games, as stated by Satoshi, to be completely separate worlds so players would have unique experiences. He originally wanted like 100+ versions in Gen 1 but scaled it back to just the two we got. So, yeah. COLLOSEUM GAMES I can only assume they're in some alternate dimension altogether since it's pretty dystopian. Or perhaps the far future of the Classic Dimension. Trading across time is canonically a thing in Gen 2, so, yeah.
@CHRISrnbWORLD
@CHRISrnbWORLD 3 жыл бұрын
That red is not in hoenn because he is in kanto is not reaching, it's just being realistic :D
@jaysonjamesguerta8510
@jaysonjamesguerta8510 2 жыл бұрын
Lets have a Pokemob multiverse where all this versions will meet
@ArtumTsumia
@ArtumTsumia 3 жыл бұрын
I'm not certain a "true timeline" can be constructed, rather just a loose order of events. The issue really boils down to the multitude of versions which, at the very least, take place in subtly different timelines. I can't break down all the differences between _Ruby, Sapphire,_ and _Emerald_ as it's been over a decade since I played them on GBA, but even though the story might follow similar beats, events unfold differently. Similarly, while I didn't play _Sun_ or _Moon_ it's my understanding that _Ultra Sun_ and _Ultra Moon_ aren't sequels in the way _Black 2_ and _White 2_ were, and are instead more akin to _Platinum_ but with far more changes to the story, while still largely telling the same story. At least that's my understanding, but that's as a mild fan of the concept of the series. I think what this means is that you'd probably have a minimum of four timelines due to _Red, Green, Blue,_ and _Yellow_ with the rest of the series falling somewhere in there, but never occurring in the same timeline as one of it's counterparts. _Gold, Silver,_ and _Crystal_ would likely occur in one of the existing timelines with a giant ??? being left in the remaining slot. From a practical standpoint though, it's kind of a pointless endeavor as there's no particularly cannon entry to the series in this regard, it's not even fair to have the remakes supersede the originals, as they once again make changes to everything, sometimes in ways that don't make chronological sense. Best to think of all the entries as "what if" scenarios taking place in a loosely defined order.
@sonofablastoise3651
@sonofablastoise3651 3 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure that Cynthia is still referenced as the champion in the bonus fight at the end of BW, meaning 4th gen might take place after Unova.
@MrcreeperDXD777
@MrcreeperDXD777 3 жыл бұрын
no she is refered as Pokemon Trainer, not champion
@nickdentoom1173
@nickdentoom1173 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrcreeperDXD777 Same as in SUMO and USUM.
@AC34D
@AC34D 3 жыл бұрын
You go into dimensional areas in Platinum.
@S.I.L.
@S.I.L. 3 жыл бұрын
Emerald and Platinum are canon in gen 5. Wallace is in the champion tournament and Cynthia mentions a trainer taking on Giratina.
@nickdentoom1173
@nickdentoom1173 3 жыл бұрын
That makes it even more of a clusterfuck.
@georgio722
@georgio722 3 жыл бұрын
Original Timeline: RGBY - > GSC Advance Timeline: FRLG/RSE - > HGSS/DPP - > BW - > B2W2 3D Timeline: LGPLGE/ORAS - > XY - > SMUSUM - > SS
@beppp01
@beppp01 3 жыл бұрын
Actually SwSh happen after Usum, there's a Type Null in the Battle Tower that's given to you by a Macro Cosmos Member, and the scientist in the Max Lair worked for the Aether Foundation
@shadowwizard2383
@shadowwizard2383 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah and in usum their is a poster for gmax toxicity and a girl tourist that says do you think this is a power spot.
@footlessmoonbadger7189
@footlessmoonbadger7189 3 жыл бұрын
@@shadowwizard2383 where is this npc and poster?
@shadowwizard2383
@shadowwizard2383 3 жыл бұрын
@@footlessmoonbadger7189 the poster is in the game freak room and the tourist girl is by tapu fini place she says it when you battle her. Their is probably videos talking about hints to galar that would point them out.
@glitterfish2
@glitterfish2 3 жыл бұрын
So, quick question, why is Mega Evolution considered something that can only be in a separate timeline? That makes no sense to me. Mega Evolution, as far as I'm aware, has always existed in the Pokemon universe. Also, LGPE are directly after Red/Green or Firered/Leafgreen, as Sabrina states after you beat her, something similar to "I won't encounter another like you in about 3 years" alluding to Gold/Silver or Heartgold Soulsilver. At least, that's what I understand.
@PaPaSea
@PaPaSea 3 жыл бұрын
Mega Evolution is seen as a different timeline because it is a big change that just doesn't exist in some games and is never mentioned
@_Teej_264
@_Teej_264 4 жыл бұрын
Why can't it be possible that Megas exist in the old games but they just weren't used by standard trainers in those areas
@PaPaSea
@PaPaSea 4 жыл бұрын
It could be, but seeing as there’s two versions of Hoenn with mega evolution being prominent in one and not the other it makes more sense for it to split
@_Teej_264
@_Teej_264 4 жыл бұрын
@@PaPaSea My other idea is that the newest iterations retcon the previous. I don't think there's contradiction to that at least. Let's Go still defeats Team Rocket and has Red and Blue as elite trainers which still matches in line with their Sun and Moon appearance. The biggest issues I see with that is the PWT in B2W2 but it is just as possible Red and Blue became champions at a time after Let's Go and before the PWT.
@KiraKageYT
@KiraKageYT 3 жыл бұрын
Warning spoiler if you haven't played well any pokemon game the answer is Celibi now originally in crystal I think it is there's an event with celibi but only accessed through a phone it was a bunch of complicated steps that no one knew about you can do it on the new digital versions alot easier and on heart gold and soul silver now in an event you can travel back in time with celibi now depending on the rules of time travel that pokemon is following can explain everything so you go back in time make a small change butterfly effect it causes a shift in timeline making one set of games bassically be erased by a new universe the mega universe or it splits off and creates a new timeline, also possible since you can catch celibi post game in events not seen your character is travelling through time because just wants to see stuff and the butterfly effect is causing changes or their intentially going back in time and changing things for some odd reason, maybe they gained a form of immortality and their bored or something. either way the answer is Celibi and a butterfly effect from time travelling.
@RyzTheGamer
@RyzTheGamer 3 жыл бұрын
I think the protagonist from Lets Go is the same one from US/UM. In Lets Go you get an autograph from Lt Surge that you also find in your room in US/UM with the exact same writing and graphic. We also know the protagonist comes in US/UM comes from Kanto
@nickdentoom1173
@nickdentoom1173 3 жыл бұрын
Problem is that Lets Go can't be set before SUMO/USUM, because of Mina being a thing in Lets Go. A trial captain cannot be older than 20 (Which by extension means Ilima can't be a trail captain either since he and Mina are the same age), and she should be older than 20 because Red and Blue are in their 20s.
@RyzTheGamer
@RyzTheGamer 3 жыл бұрын
@@nickdentoom1173 ignore that reply. That is a good point. But we don't really know the age of red and blue in lets go. Timelines in pokemon games are insane. Edit: we're barely ever told ages in the games. We know that our player character is 11 in UM and I would assume we're 10 in lets go. I'm not sure the age of Red and Blue or any of the trial captains but as far as the games are concerned they're never mentioned. I don't count the anime when it comes to the games.
@nickdentoom1173
@nickdentoom1173 3 жыл бұрын
@@RyzTheGamer They are directly mentioned by Porygons dex entry in gen 7, that it was created 20 years ago (And Mimikyu as well), so that places Red and Blue at least around the age of 30/31, considering they were 11 in Kanto.
@RyzTheGamer
@RyzTheGamer 3 жыл бұрын
@@nickdentoom1173 they do? I completed the dex in both lets go eevee and um. Hmm interesting. I don't read dex entries much.
@seanalailima5929
@seanalailima5929 2 жыл бұрын
We really don't know how old Mina really is except that Captains are around their 10s. At least they start when they're like 11 (as Sophocles states he's 11). How we can really prove is her parents. Luckily, we do get see them and her father appears to use the Gentleman sprite. I assume Gentlemen and Madames are like at least in their 60s. Unsure about the sprite used for Mina's mother as we don't see her sprites as trainers. Maybe like in 50s? The average rate to give birth is in between probably your late 20s to mid-40s? Hyde also has his father, Mustard, in his 60s. Unsure which age set Hyde's mother, Honey is. Hyde doesn't even look like he's in his late 10s-late 20s or 30s. He looks like he's about 5-8? Was he adopted?
@iwillreturn5315
@iwillreturn5315 3 жыл бұрын
My theory of the pokemon timeline Red and blue---->gold and silver=diamond and pearl--------> black and white------> black2 and white2=sword and shield= z and y ------> ruby and sapphire-------> sun and moon. The great thing about this timeline is that it works in both the mega and classic timeline.
@johndoe62804
@johndoe62804 3 жыл бұрын
I rather think we should separate Sword/Shield from any timelines if additional evolution mechanism decides which timeline the game will fit in. Classic: RBY or FRLG/RSE -> GSC or HGSS/DPP -> BW ->B2W2 Mega: Let's Go/ORAS -> XY/(possible DP remake, hopefully) -> SM/USUM Dynamax: SwordShield -> (possible new games)
@nickdentoom1173
@nickdentoom1173 3 жыл бұрын
Problem is that a girl in Alola mentions Power Spot, G-Max Toxtricity poster in Gamefreak office in gen 7 as well and Type: Null is a thing post-game, as well as the CT DLC Dynamax Adventures lady being an employee(Former) from the Aether Foundation. Those four things put Sword/Shield on the same timeline as SM/USUM (And then i haven't even talked about NPC's mention of Kalos, Unova, Hoenn, Johto and Kanto, as well as Kabu being from Hoenn.
@user-a_ce.1238
@user-a_ce.1238 3 жыл бұрын
Sword and shield is in ultra sun and ultra moon timeline because of type null according to bulbapedia there are 3 type null 1 is with gladion 1 is with you 1 is in galar
@pokefandylan2117
@pokefandylan2117 3 жыл бұрын
the Alola games have mega evolutions, although they're not available to the player until the postgame
@PaPaSea
@PaPaSea 3 жыл бұрын
I know I said that
@pokefandylan2117
@pokefandylan2117 3 жыл бұрын
@@PaPaSea oh, i don't remember
@Kumajirou13
@Kumajirou13 3 жыл бұрын
Ruby was the timeline where Maxie flunked Geography Sapphire was the timeline where Archie flunked Geography Emerald was the timeline where they both dropped out, the moral of the story is stay in school or Rayquaza will descend from the stratosphere and kick your ass
@dn9549
@dn9549 3 жыл бұрын
I think sun and moon is it’s own timeline and ultra sun and moon are in the mega timeline
@Lupinemancer87
@Lupinemancer87 3 жыл бұрын
It's actually rather simple, all the main game series (with FR/LG and HG/SS replacing the originals) are part of one universe and ORAS and USUM as well as Let's GO are alternate "What if" timelines. Not that diffucult.
@PaPaSea
@PaPaSea 3 жыл бұрын
When you consider the fact that it splits multiple times and has multiple dimensions, it is complicated
@Lupinemancer87
@Lupinemancer87 3 жыл бұрын
@@PaPaSea Sure is, I guess you can call it my own head canon :D
@truemasterex5482
@truemasterex5482 3 жыл бұрын
Um you forgot to include Pokemon crystal in this video since you mention Emerald and Platinum.
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