I really like this video thank you your research, nuance, and bisexual lighting

No they attacked a 13 y/o because there a bunch of losers, bullys and probably biggets

I enjoy this. If you would do on hard mode on are they gay *love the videos* use mr mistoffelees and rum rum tugger from CATS. There is something there 😉

I wonder if you will talk about Turning Red next. The new Pixar movie cause I saw some LGBTQ interpretations you can read in the movie. Also this film is the first time I've seen it openly taking puberty and some issues teenagers go through. Nevermind about the dumb controversies it got from conservatives saying puberty is inappropriate 🤣.

Also FLASH WARNING for 30:15-30:27 ! It's less severe than at the 13:40-13:54 (which messed me up pretty bad bc I didn't see this before watching), but its worth noting too! Btw, I really liked the style of this video! The lecture theme with the bisexual lighting, and the script written on the chalkboard, was such a fun idea and such a pleasure to watch! Really great work! :) Edit to add: If possible at all, @AreTheyGay , can you try and add captions to your videos? As a disabled subscriber, its been tough to watch sometimes because of issues with audio processing and I can't recommend these videos to my similarly disabled friends.

What happened?

@@shroederthatboy.4691 They were torn to pieces

RIP

@@Anonymous_Gambito *likes comment angrily.*

Lmfao wtf is wrong with people

@Demon Slayer the trauma of one person passing homophobia down to their kids, etc. Ik Euphoria is a hot button topic, not gonna go into how good/bad it is, that’s your opinion, but if you’ve seen the show I think it does a good job showing how the internalized homophobia of a father, gets passed down into the homophobia of a son. So yes, it’s cultural, but it’s also about the fear and hatred instilled from generations of homophobia. It can even trickle down into your self-worth like it does with mirabelle

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Yeah if someone says this they're either not latinoamerican or not lgbtq

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The problem is culture here

Bruno is even described as "OCD" in the script.

Can confirm, I’m a neurodivergent queer Latino man lmao

To add onto another comment that went "being LGBTQ+ is also a reason of generational trauma", people seem to forget that also being neurodivergent 99% of the time ends up with being traumatised.

@@sonicbackrooms897 cheers!

@@jasonxavier3744 cheers 🕺🏽

O_o how are they related????

what

*grandfather

Same! And they always use the same arguments as the more overtly homophobic. Like "I don't see any evidence of gay or the creators didn't make them overtly gay therefore gays don't exist". Or "Corporations would never make a gay person but if some creators/writers tried to sneak in gays through subtext than thats queerphobic and therefore doesn't count because its not "gay enough" "

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if all you see when you see two men or two women being romantic and affectionate is graphic gay sex, that sounds like a you problem. It is incredibly common to see straight people be affectionate with one another and I think most people would agree that picturing graphic mental images of them having sex would be incredibly weird, yet this is treated as almost the default reaction to same sex affection. I remember once sharing some art of two male OCs from an MMO being affectionate and how I'd love to see more of that in the game and I literally had a few people immediately jump to gay sex not belonging in the game and it's like bro, it's literally just two men holding each other, there was no nudity, there was no visible sexual energy of any kind it was just about as sexlessly romantic as any straight couple you might see in most children's media, if all you see when looking at an image like that is actual gay sex, I really don't know what to tell you. Same thing goes for trans people too, people fixate on their bodies when it's none of their business and it's very much not normal to start pondering the genitals of random cishet people or asking them questions about their genitals. Is it appropriate to ask a random woman if she shaves down there? or ask a man if he's been circumcised? why do you think it's in any way appropriate or normal to ask a trans person about their genitals?

Sexuality is just a fucked term, it makes it easy for ignorant people to assume its all about sex when it really isn’t

i've seen people try to use the "then why is it called homoSEXUAL then?!" argument, and it always annoys me so much that they just conveniently ignore the word Heterosexual. being straight is also a sexuality, just not an oppressed sexuality. Thinking being lgbt is inherently sexual completely ignores asexuals and romantic attraction as a whole, and it only serves to demonise those have already had to deal with prejudice. I've never understood why people have the audacity to see being gay as sexual and then call US the perverts. besides i'll start considering their arguments when they stop putting sex jokes on baby clothes just sayin- -sincerely, an annoyed queer

@@erenender66 Asexuality itself is not a LGBT identity. You can be asexual & straight.

Germany has a proverb about taking 5 generations to wash blood from soil, I very much hope my children will have minimal amounts of trauma to carry on while building a better world from whatever foundation I can contribute.

@will I agree completely I growed up In a strictly Christian family and when I first came out only my dad and brother excepted me. My mom wanted to trow me out but my dad didn't let her. A lot of my friends at my school didn't believe me when I came out and they still don't all because I am Christian

The funny thing is that the people complaining about the "ethnic appropiation" or whatever, are NEVER part of that ethnicity. They are americans that feel guilty and make a fuzz about it when no one within the ethnic group actually cares in the slightest. I'm latino, from Argentina, and I NEVER, I reapeat NEVER IN MY WHOLE LIFE heard someone from my country complaining about Argentinian or latin portrayal in american media. So, chill out, don't get offended for other people, I assure you no one on this side cares about this stuff.

as a Polish queer person, can confirm generational trauma is a thing that exists even when ur white! tho I am slavic white so that's like slightly different than american white I guess? idk it's confusing

So true. Also people that complain about people talking about certain aspects and ignoring all the other… Like, we can’t analyse everything all at once (especially on TWITTER lmao it’s not a scientific journal, just some random short thoughts of people around the world). Also it would be a little weird for white people to super actively discuss latinos experience when those people themselves can be much better judges and voices on this. Disney intentionally makes movies that can be relatable to all sorts of people, so it CAN be perceived in different ways by different people, and yes, they sometimes bring it to twitter

Except she isn't, nor is coded as such

@@gbdeck200 I’m not saying she is, I’m saying that the head canons are nice.

@@gbdeck200 did you watch the video

I like to write gay stories but typically leave out "person looked liked this" because I have my type in looks but a lot of it is personality and I like people to be able use their imagination and make their own person. For example, I mostly like blondes so that's what I always imagine but I once loosely (because I don't have that experience) wrote a Hispanic love interest

@@gbdeck200 lesbians don't owe you accuracy to stereotypes and the movie isn't about sexuality or romantic relationships, so you legitimately do not have enough context to say for certain that she isn't a lesbian. We already know from the written story that she didn't love the man she was slated to marry, so who's to say she loves men at all?

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that's why i feel like Bruno could be queer in some way.

I mean, aren't you kinda doing that though

@@kaizen2840 how?

The idea of sexualizing a character in a childrens movie is not something that should be encouraged or celebrated, gay, straight or trans. Although now that I think about it, that has nothing to do with fetishizing since I don't think he finds any sexual gratification from it (although that's just an assumption) But yeah sexualizing a kids cartoon is pretty weird, I don't see how he was being phobic.

@@zocivgal9945 "Queer is often used as an umbrella term to denote sexual identity within a particular community." Straight ,queer, or whatever else it's still sexualizing minors in a show meant for kids (who really don't have a concept of sexuality besides boy and girl.) Plus lets be honest, in this case, most people who are assuming characters sexuality are most definitely thinking about a sexual thing related to them.

@@zocivgal9945 I was answering the main comment, not yours lol. "Seeing a character as queer is sexualising" is a kinda queerphobic take because there is more dimension in the queerness besides sexuality itself. Anyway, my point is that Encanto is a good movie and all that but if we are going to have some leftist woke SWJ conversations about this, we should start by the point that Encanto itself is fetishizing, so every other interpretation that we could make about the movie will somehow inherit that problem

Another trans person here, I also agree with this

Yeah, and it also seems to be rooted in the masculinization of WOC.

as a trans woman i agree. not to mention how woc are always labelled as more masculine bc femininity as a construct was built around whiteness.

Correct! That 100% upsets me. It’s a similar problem in podcast fandoms where a character doesn’t have a set race, the characters that are headcanoned as nonwhite tend to be… telling of the biases of those doing the headcanoning

Exactly!

it's a shame your partner silences you on something like this tbh

They’re not actually listening to Latino voices if they shut down their own Latina girlfriend for headcanoning Isabela as a lesbian whine being a lesbian herself. They’re listening to the voices of people who use the fact that white queer people do try to erase the movie with queer headcanons as an excuse to be homophobic towards anyone who has those headcanons even if they’re not white or erasing the meaning of the movie.

Not to drag on your partner (you know them, not me, a random person online) but perhaps it would be good to talk with them about minority groups not being a monolith. It just strikes me as a discrepancy that your partner is trying to listen to latine voices by shutting down YOUR voice, the latine person supposedly closest to them.

@@_Lynnteressant_ Exactly, it's mad ironic and sus like huh 🤨

Explícale a tu pareja lo que significa headcanon y la muerte del autor :)

minors DNI do NOT talk to me, little entitled BRATS

I had the exact same reaction

whoever liked my reply, thank you, you brought me back to this comment immediately after I finished mindlessly scrolling through a bunch of Tumblr pro/anti shipper discourse, but. maybe next time try liking it BEFORE i do so as a reminder of its horrors

*gets Discourse(TM) flashbacks*

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Well said. One of my best friends (who is Latina and queer) is still in shock about why people can't appreciate all the reading levels. She cries over the scene with Isabela with Mirabel, because she could see her own experience of the pressure to be the perfect daughter as well as wanting to live her queer identity. It's a strength to be able to reach so many different people, not a flaw.

latino*

its a movie about a super powered family of latinos (plus the actual plot). any LGBTQ+ ideas would come from meta elements outside the movie itself. So I'd say that movie can relate to LGBTQ+ however should primarily be thought of in a straight lens because thats what the movie it self presents itself. Again let me reiterate the movie can relate to LGBTQ+ ideas indirectly

@@Lili-ib2rh its not in the movie itself. her reading of the movie is her view of the film, in other words she subjectively views the film as pro-LGBTQ+. others don't have to hold or agree with the same opinions or reading as her because they aren't her. of cause this whole idea stems from post-modernist ideals that the intent of the work itself takes a backseat to a person's reading of a piece of art. take from that what you will. TLDR: people don't have to agree with all reading levels because they have the right to agree with whatever the hell they want because personal liberty is ultimately the best policy of all as long as people think that its okay to disagree on things

@@cupsfilledwithcups72 I'd argue the movie presents itself as neither gay or straight. Nobody states their orientation outright (all the people who date could be bi or pan for all we know), so neither a gay or straight lens is better or worse to view the movie in, it's all ambiguous, and ultimately doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of the plot. What lens you see it in depends on who's watching it, which is applicable to nearly every aspect of any movie. You seem to be arguing a point nobody was making. We know it's meta textual, nobody here at least claimed otherwise, everyone is entirely aware Disney will drop dead before ever making a movie with LGBTQ+ people.

Yeah I think Mirabel not having a gift could be interpreted as a disability and you could read the movie through that lense.

A lot of (what can be considered) my family's generation trauma has its roots in neurodivergence, so I really tend to vibe with interpretations of Bruno, Mirabel, or both being neurodivergent. Mirabel is constantly told that she can't do things, that she can't contribute to her family or her community, and that without the ability to do what her family can, that she is essentially useless. And Bruno? Mentally healthy people don't choose to live in the walls of their family's house for a decade. Maybe a disabled/ND reading isn't what the creators were going for, but it's definitely easy to pick up.

This can be added as part of an intersectional reading.

yes im queer and autistic (white though) and i kinda immediately saw it as a metaphor for neurodivergencies and disabilities (autism, ADHD, OCD, etc) before seeing a bunch of posts saying that the ONLY way to correctly interpret it is being straightfoward about generational trauma (spoilers: thats not the only way to interpret it)

@@teethdotjpeg wow! It’s almost like family problems stem from a lot of different things, and the point of art is to make people feel things! Why didn’t I think of that?

I’m torn between both sides. I don’t like headcannons based off of tiny details/ unreasonable stuff. But I do like the headcannons

Personally I think the people involved in this "discourse" are making the huge mistake of turning what's essentially a discussion about tone and appropriateness into a moralistic debate between two "sides". Headcanons are fine, everyone has them, acting like you can't is stupid. It's just that some headcanon people can be annoying, especially those that talk about this as if it's a representation Pokèmon game where you gotta "catch 'em all". But that's it, at worst they're kinda annoying. It's not worth putting up that kind of fuss, just... ignore them, or politely tell them to tone it down in case they barge into a thread with a bad attitude.

@@antonioscendrategattico2302 Precisely. It's not about not allowing others to have their headcanon, it's about not wanting to hear only people headcanons when goddamn searching/talking about something. At times, people don't want to hear about your personal spin and take on something, they want to discuss the *art in front of them*

Encanto is not explicitly about being gay but it has somewhat queercoded characters

@@spence6195 i see that word very often and i’m always confused, what does queer-coded mean? maybe i’m already too old or it’s the language barrier but to me it’s just assumptions that you make about a character, is it not? if a guy wears a skirt, is that queer coded or does he just want to wear a skirt? idk maybe this is a dangerous thing to question but i’d like to hear your take on it

Your aunt sounds so awesome

exactly how i felt

I like how lgbt must make everything about them and if you disagree you’re homophobic

@@MrSophire cool 😎

@@MrSophire that is very clearly not the point being made ?

@@_-luke-_ what is the point? I see more people getting pissy that their lgbt head canons are not cannoning, remember how many were upset because Elsa was not a confirmed Lesbian, how about how twitter jumped down the creator of Lucka throat because he said the story HE wrote was about three KIDS becoming friends with homosexual no undertones. You guys cried and wined about it until he caved.

Exactly!! The anti-headcanoners give me very big anti-SJW energy. It feels like all the conservatives whining about original poc characters being featured in the new Lord of the Rings. As if latino culture and queer culture are wholy separate when queer latino youth would resoundingly identify with the family trauma Encanto alludes to.

@@tensai_kodai Yeah it does feel very similar to that to me as well. I know it came from leftists mainly in visibilityofcolor's social circle. But I think that shows me how easy it is for leftists to become very similar to anti SJW"s if they're not careful.

Exactly!!!

Also, my saucy hot take is that if a member of the target demographic for Spongebob Squarepants has missed the DEEPER MEANING and HISTORICAL CONTEXT of Les Miserables, and is instead using it as fodder for their shipping fanfics, you aren't doing anybody any favors by bullying them for it. Let children enjoy things on their level, and *gently* scaffold them to expand their perspective over time. I feel so bad for that autistic kid who got bullied for his Encanto headcanon TikToks, and I can't imagine that actually helped to educate him or expand his perspective in a healthy way!

@@GalaxiaStars Yeah, as someone who's been in fandoms for a very long time? It was the weirdest whiplash seeing young leftists repeat pretty much the same arguments I saw from straight white dudebros in the late 90's/early 00's about lgbtq+ headcanons.

Good point, also most importantly Hello fellow Blink.

It feels like queer people are being thrown under the bus in an attempt for the latin community to be more widely accepted in mainstream American culture, which is something that happens all too often. Sadly, it seems many people have lost sight of the fact that attacking other minorities is not the way we gain rights or respect, we should be banding together.

I understand your struggle but I really don't understand how "latino" and "white" are different things. Encanto has plenty of white Colombians such as Pepa, I think some people in the comments are trying to equate culture with ethnicity.

I've been told by my latino relatives and my black relatives that my queerness was caused by white culture, as if my ancestors didn't embrace queerness before they were forced to adopt queerphobic views by religious colonizers

Same. My family is extremely conservative and uses my heritage as a way to guilttrip me into masking my queerness and audhd

​​@@apenasmaisumdiogo.7115because there's the added layer in which this discourse is tipically american. Only in there and adyacent spaces that are more influenced by USA latino is a label for something that, more homogeneous or less, is something that exists in reality. It a prominent part of how americans understand human diversity both biological and cultural, just like race. Because is more or less race with extra steps. Latinoamericano on the other hand it's usually a word you will encounter in other discourse, very different in many aspects to this one and that pertains much more to actual discourses in Latin America since like beginning of the XX century to this day, although I think is starting to fade a away since the seventies.

and disney absolutely loves the whole "princess finds her prince" which obviously has sexual undertones/intentions there but thAtS fiNe bEcaUse TheyRe StRaigHt

Makes me sick

That's not true you freak, do you think it's right for children to be exposed to sex of any kind at a young age?

My mother HATES when people did that and I'm so happy she never let anyone say stuff like that to me as aa child.

Some are forgetting Disney princesses were like 15 dating a man in his 40’s. But god forbid someone shipping two people within the same age and sex because it’s “inappropriate.” God forbid progressing as a civilization by treating others with respect and not have a Stone Age mentality 😱

or beacuse they don't agree with you

@@somo4227 No amount of disagreement would erase LGBT folks from other cultures though.

@@junjunjamore7735 💀💀💀

We never said it was a separate thing. Encanto is still relatively new in terms of a kids movie exploring generational trauma in a hispanic context. Adding queer discourse and trying to make them cannon takes away the DIRECT consequence of generational trauma and conflating it with other causes (which is possible but that not the aim). I must say, I'm completely down for finding ways to relate to the encanto characters and if you want to view it through another lense, thats fantastic...it humanises them but please be respectful with the main focus of the story. It's a story that carries a lot of weight for colombians and other hispanic people in which some happen to also belong to the lgbt community.

@@gigi.castex9995 OH MY GOD THANK YOU

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It's almost like homophobia is a big part/context of the culture

@@crazydragy4233 it's almost like there's still queer people from that culture tho (shocking i know LMFAO)

I think it's this idea that white people often make themselves a part of the LGBTQ community in order to jump ahead of minorities and/or women in the "oppression olympics" to keep their power dynamic in a rapidly changing society.

@@jumies4056 It feels like a lot of people here can't read... Or did I misunderstand you lol? Because my point exclusively depends on queer people being a thing. You can't be -phobic to a thing that ain't real...

7 months later, guess who just found out he is bisexual?

@@kevinpeixes3735 congrats on coming out man I’m happy for you- a bisexual

​@@kevinpeixes3735lmao, i was about to say, ive never met a homestuck who isnt lgbt /lh

I am half-latino and pansexual, I'm glad that I can see latino representation & somewhat queercoded representation in the same media, I genuinely believe the writers wanted to show both latino and LGBTQ representation in Encanto

​​@@kevinpeixes3735yyy, historias que pasan 😂😂, no eres el único, y felicidades por tu autodescubrimiento

Yeah, that'll give a little trauma 😟

And you're not! The notion that white people can't have generational trauma is really weird?? Sure, chattel slavery or European colonialism won't be a white person's source of generational trauma (assuming this white person is not mixed), but your elders can be shitty and perpetuate harmful behaviors and attitudes for generations. That's not race-specific. Really sorry to hear how your family has treated you. Hope you can find and enjoy life with your chosen family--I personally find that bonds with people you choose to be in your life tend to be way more important anyway.

Pepa is white and is one of the characters with more psychologial bagage of the film, any people can have generational trauma.

Generational trauma is incredibly common and most white families have it. It's just usually a lot less and lot more subtle because white people have not been colonized/f*cked with from the outside to the same extent. (and China, Japan, and India, which are the biggest countries population wise in the world, became democracies (let's ignore that China still isn't for a moment) a lot later than European countries did. Government policies and economic climate effect parenting a lot more than you would think)

I would hope that most other POC would take the common sense thinking that Encanto is about Latino specific trauma but trauma and how it affects people who aren't Latino can relate. Though I think POC can be protective when white folks try to say the trauma is the same or equal when oftentimes it's not.

finally! this is exactly how i feel!! thank you!!!

Homosexuality (in my country’s context, woNt disclose name) had history of homosexuality being accepted in our communities and even polyamory was approved. This was during the pre-colonial era and it sadly got pushed back in progress due to colonizers. I can relate to how the dichotomy tends to affect poc’s cultures who have religion heavily influence it. I personally relate to that as I feel detached due to my religion being an aetheist. Anyways to wrap up this weird bundle of words thank you for this comment this makes so much sense and it’s eye opening, I personally believe that you can still be queer and love ur culture and participate it with those who love and support you (and It’s also ok if you don’t !)

We really need more queer poc representation so that it really breaks down the narrative of Homosexuality being a “Western thing”.

I personally am just against hc based on stereotypes, example how people hc Luisa to be trans "just because" she is strong or buff. Why not Isabela? Mirabel? Bruno? Maybe im just the problem idk

the erasure of the influence of people of color on the LGBT rights movement really is tragic not only the fact that people like Sylvia were ostracized from their own community, but now future generations of queer people of color have to fight against the idea that their queerness is something "other" something "white" or "western" or however someone wants to frame it simply because the US was where some of the most visible parts of the movement came from, even though that ignores that the queer rights movement in the US that everyone feels they're so familiar with can literally trace it's origins to people of color.

People expect marginalized identities to not fit into the stereotypes. It's super hard when you do, because on one hand you have people who actively stereotype or marginalize or otherwise oppress your identity or people with your identity, that ostracize you from society, and others from your own identity that reject you for fitting in the stereotype or the label too snuggly. It's weird.

as a latino trans person (not exactly woman because the binary is just not my thing) luisa was so fucking relatable for me. When you are trans around here you are expected to be strong and caring of cis queers (esp cis queer women, so you avoid being seen as a predator), you have to be motherly, you have to fix their problems, cis queers they always say shit like las travas nos van a salvar a todos and is like aint nobody saving your ass. Get up and do the work. In that sense is so. Being under the pressure of being The Most Fit For Helping. The Strongest For How Much You Went Thru. When I saw people yelling about how offensive it was to reaffirm that a character that I liked could Possibly Be Anything Alike To Me, how Horrid it was to think, I felt alienated again. It reminded me of hanging out with the boys in my school and hearing them talking about gay and trans people, horrified and mocking us, seemingly still unaware of me being just what they were mocking and just... sitting right there with them, having to hear all of it

I and my friends ALSO think she’s trans

I sadly (or fortunately) don't know the one, what is it?

I'm 100% in favour of Luisa representing trans identities and as a non-binary individual I'm actually ashamed of myself for not jumping to that myself. To play devil's advocate, though, I think some people are pushing back against this because Luisa is the first main cast non-villain young female character who absolutely rocks and isn't shaped like a Barbie doll. Cis girls need that rep, too.

OMG MY FAV

HOLY FUCK. THANK YOU. latin@ ace lesbian here, YES, i relate so much to that. the idea that I HAVE to be in a relationship with a man to satisfy society but especially my parents. also the fact I'm ace, when The sexual part of relationships in my culture is SO prominent, and also the shame that comes with my sexuality already being seen as an inherently sexual thing... it all weighs down on you. ever since I've started seeing the "you can't headcanon encanto characters as queer because the cultural message..." comments i was like, yeah i guess, but also, having to hide my queerness is part of having to play to the expectations my culture and family give me, HELLO?? (Sorry for any bad english and rambles i just AAAAAAA?????!!)

Latino trans man here and you are so right. At first I only felt slightly uncomfortable about people only making it about LGBT stuff because the scenarios I would see (mostly white people make) were so out of character in our culture and more so in our countries that they would make me feel lost haha, but I think at the same time that was kinda hypocritical of me since I would also turn around and headcanon Bruno as a trans man since I would relate to mi mamá literally "not talking about me" to other people in the family. Honestly there's no harm in having headcanons and I think we all know at the end of the day there are so many headcanons because there is SO FEW canon characters, more so in Disney, that are LGBT.

Yes

there's nothing wrong with connecting to characters on your own level but to say a certain character is undoubtedly gay or lgbt because of the imaginary hcs you came up with is just as limiting as someone saying the opposite. for ex someone saying that Isabella is a straight up lesbian because she doesn't wanna take part in an arranged marriage can be an somewhat exclusionary considering how arranged marriage is still prevalent and definitely not exclusive to members of the lgbt who don't want to commit to heterosexual relationships. it's ok to make a connection like that but dont just write off the idea of not liking arranged marriage as a lesbian thing 😂

@@B0OBIES i think the point of headcanons are things that are supposed to differ from the narrative It's the reason why headcanons are marked as headcanons and not fact nor opinions

yeah, also,, the way he used said superstitions felt like compulsions that he does in order to not freak out? At least that's how I interpreted it

I'm autistic and I really do appreciate this comment. Some days I worry I'm just projecting my autistic struggles onto characters, so I never say anything when I feel like I relate to a character. I can acknowledge that the finer details and cultural contexts are obviously very different between me and Bruno, but I related to being ostracized and misunderstood like how Bruno was, and about wanting to withdraw from family connection, so as to not make them look bad.

Nah bro it cancels out obviously 🙄/satire obviously

Not to mention the discourse over hc'ing Bruno as having OCD when the screenplay literally mentions him having OCD

@@peeblekitty5780 Ikr lmao, unfortunately the anti-headcanon approach also has a lot of ableism in it as well.

I wish more people realized this. I'm 46, and I remember when there was no internet 2.0, and people had conversations in real life. Back in those days, seeing things from a different lens wasn't contested by an army of a million chronically online, narrow-minded keyboard warriors who think that way they see the world is the right way, and they're not afraid to tell you how they feel- with a lot of shit posting and cyber bullying.

you said everything

@yeah okay Aren't gays more common in anime than western animation? xD

@@junjunjamore7735 that sounds like another 40 minute video… 😂

I think people have an issue with it because people are really trying to paint the idea that these characters must be lgbt because of a stereotype (being a strong woman, or rejecting a man) It takes away from the movie to say Abuela’s pressure and shunning of her own family has to do with them being different (gay, trans etc) when in reality the pressure comes from them needing to meet an expectation based on her trauma. Edit (for the record I’m gay myself so no this isn’t out of “homophobia”)

Me too, I "partake" in fandoms but... not that fandom, even though I love the movie 😪

Head canon; a hypothesis that’s at times spices with a pinch of projection.

Head canons are just ideas that would be cool, say like if Isabella got a phone when they start being manufactured and gets into stocks, I see a stock person in Isabella, will it ever happen, probably not, but it would be cool

I always thought that headcannons were like a lot less serious of a thing that people have kinda ended up confusing with theories like idk uhh Tony Stark loves pumpernickel bread but doesn’t mind whole wheat or something like that vs. whatever Matpat is on about this month

Yeah exactly. I get so annoyed at people who are like, wELl ACtUallY Isabella can't be a lesbian because of this cut scene blah blah blah and it's kinda just like, I don't think anyone cares?? Very few people take their headcanons to be real in the actual story, if they did they would be calling it canon not headcanon.

exactly !! all my headcanons r just for fun/comfort and i fully respect people who have different ones to me because it’s fiction and everyone can interpret it in different ways

Same...

Nb these people really be acting like only white people can be queer or neurodivergent. Or both. 😒 As a Black lesbian I totes agree with you.

Same, I’m also German but the thing is I’m not the German German, I’m half Russian, and I’m not Russian Russian. This combination would make people in Germany think: “oh this is someone who says Digga or Schwuchti a lot” no, there is a lot of stereotypicalisation (if that is true) and I am trans and pansexual, sure, but whenever I meet people that also identify like me, they most likely fit in these stereotypical expectations, so I do feel like I never fit in my country, until I met someone that is born in Russia and came to Germany at a young age, who is trans and gay, he really loves to speak English, because he feels the same, we both hate these stereotype that actually is like 80% true everywhere here, and we connected and mostly only spoke in English (we are both fluent for some reason, well he actually loved English media and that’s why, and I was some years in America before I met him in 6th grade.) We both have family issues and we don’t fit in the main stream in our country. We avoid the language so we feel more comfortable, and we speak Russian less that German for russians homophobic reasons, still it is part of ourselves and we aren’t lying about it being part of ourselves, we just don’t like that part and it’s okay. Honestly we always joke about how two homophobic cultures can make something so gay)) But anyways, we loved and enjoyed the movie a lot because it relates to our past struggles, but after time passed we learned how to accept it, since it’s not bad that we aren’t the stereotypical people, we even joked about being quirky (ez) but he doesn’t have a big family, since only his mom came with him to Germany (when his parents divorced) and at his birthday only his and his moms (also his aunt is the only family that comes too) friends come. And I have a big family that always ignored my existence except my sister (and maybe my mom and brother bc we live together) so it’s very relatable. We both love our family, because I can only hate the actions of my family but never learn to hate them completely for their actions, which is again a relatable thing in encanto. I really think we don’t have any hcs.. XD maybe Luisa being asexual? Not more tbh, I’m just saying I can relate to your comment ♥️😂 Ich hatte wirklich keinen Bock das alles auf deutsch zu schreiben, aber naja, hoffe du verstehst es trotzdem ♥️ Also: non-binary pronouns in German should be a thing !!! 😭😭😭

@@xxmathiasnofacexx Damn, what a story 😅 I love that for you guys, that's lovely! I'm glad you found something you can relate to even though it's very different from what you actually experience! I actually don't really have any headcanons but Bruno being outsided by his family especially his mother felt very like he was gay to me. There are only little things that support that but I just felt like his situation would mirror the one of a gay/queer child. Und kein Stress, ich studiere Englisch und hab viele englischsprachige Internetfreunde, ich kann in beiden Sprachen gut kommunizieren 💕😊 And totally agree about the pronouns thing.... it's a struggle 😅

@@xxmathiasnofacexx same!

@@violetthunter thanks!

@@xxmathiasnofacexx I'm also a queer and trans person born in Russia and came to Germany at an early age! It's so nice to meet more people like me. It didnt start too long ago for me that I wanted to think about my own identities and struggles that come with immigration, queerhostility, generational abuse, never being able to connect with others from the community, not feeling 100% German or Russian or Kazakh. Its really weird. But I'd love to talk and exchange experiences with those who struggle or struggled with the same

The fact that I'm an English native who knows barely any Spanish (Although I did grow up with Spanish spoken around me, just not regularly enough to learn it) and I can understand the bulk of this comment is wild

​@@gloop7458 English and Spanish do have a lot of cognates and the grammar is understandable despite its differences if you only know one. Plus, even a small amount of exposure helps. I watched Dora a lot as a little kid, and I think it helped when I actually tried learning Spanish later bc I'm a natural (I had an A in Spanish and an F in English at one point lol)

Because people say Alma hated her because she was Bisexual when in reality she cast to the side for not being useful in her families eyes

@@SaikiKFann Right, but in reality both Mirabel and Alma are fictional. Real people do not have magical powers (but fun fact: queer latinos ARE real). If the end result is the same (family conflict) then I don't really see why a queer reading would be a problem. Never mind that a person can have a family conflict *both* because they are queer and because they are perceived as not useful for the family. These concepts are not mutually exclusive.

This!!

SOMEONE FINALLY SAID IT

The most toxic part of every fandom, EVERY FANDOM!!!!!!

i'm sorry WHAT?? i'm not really in the encanto fandom spaces so could you tell me what ship you're talking about please

@@mariaandreinagarcia6177 people were like shipping Bruno with Camilo and Mirabel horridly, which is also shipping inc es t 🤢

Good point

Parellels isn't the same as allegory and Encanto isn't a movie with queer allegory.

@@lilowhitney8614 but something being an allegory is an interpretation of media and interpretations are subjective. as long as you can find evidence it's valid. and the video showed that you CAN find evidence for encanto being a queer allegory.

@@lilowhitney8614 Putting aside the subjectivity of that claim, that doesn't make queer readings invalid. They're still fairly supported by the text--whether or not they were focused on or even intended, the parallels are there. Some people relate to the movie's themes through a queer lens, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Not

Wait which is better??

Cope 🇻🇪

@@moony00 Colombian by far

@@the_embarrassed_lemon5967 oh okay

@@moony00 To be honest they are pretty similar and I am biased.

I have so many more thoughts about this. "Encanto isn't about being gay it's about generational trauma" forget the role colonialism plays in homophobia and heteronormativity and how homophobia and generational trauma are rooted in colonial oppression. Generational trauma informs homophobia. AHHH

In fact, generational trauma can indeed come from deeply rooted homophobia/transphobia as well! It's also a reason why queer people see themselves so much in these movies where generational trauma or toxic familial bonds are depicted - the strain between family members can indeed be created by holding onto outdated gender roles and/or homophobic beleifs. I also hate reading the "you queers keep sexualizing kids' movies" argument. Sexuality can affect a plethora of things in someone's identity and interaction with the world around them, and it can go from how they dress and their mannerisms to their familial relationships; either because of the micro cultures the community creates, or because of oppression and trauma that can come from it, etc. People see themselves and their experiences in these characters, and they are not necessarily thinking about sexual/romantic scenarios with the characters when they assign them a sexuality. Usually it's about a broader experience with identity

This! Some people use “white queer person” or “white trans person” as an excuse to be queerphobic while claiming you’re being progressive

Agreed. I feel like people forgot that even if you are a part of an oppressed group, you can still play a part in the oppression of others, even if one or more of the other person's identities are privileged. Privilege with one identity doesn't take away the oppression that come with the other.

Reminds me of when ppl complain about “white girls” when they’re really just complaining about girls

Literally why I give up arguing with ppl on the internet lol

they also ignore the reality that there can just... be several interpretations of a piece of art depending on the viewer whether the artist intended it or not and this if fine. so if they're trying to be progressive, it's ignoring intersectionality, and if they are just trying to enjoy the movie they could just ignore the other interpretations like they would with everything else they consume

@@bobbirdsong6825 honestly yeah, i have a problem where i can see any piece of art (music, drawn, book) as a memento mori everything is a reminder that you will die when you have my eyes

Tbh most of the headcannon debates are people getting mad at people for having a headcannon. The majority of headcannoners I see don't really impose it as fact just an interesting interpretation. So for the most part it feels like one side forgets intersectionality exists.

Omg that’s so cool but where did you read that.

BAHAHSHSHD IM WHEEZING

I definitely saw myself in Luisa and Isabella. I was the oldest daughter as well (I've since come out as trans) and I felt the need to be perfect and strong for my siblings because that's what everyone told me to do (the perfect was more implied, but the strong for siblings was explicitly said)

in Latin families the oldest daughter taking on roles if also common I was born female however i was the youngest child but since the older daughter was more rebellious they transfered the expectations on to me when I decided to transition to male the expectations would still continue i think they were so set on who they wanted me to be I was shoved into a box.

@@JuanitoEsBonito Not from a Latin family but when my dad passed away my mum placed similar pressure onto us. She was too depressed to take on her role, so I kinda fell into it. Then she remarried and I got an older sister who couldn't cook, clean, do laundry or anything else really.... As bonus when I turned 15 they started to travel the world, so I had to be a parent with zero authority of two teens. Trying to manage our budget whilst having my big sister pull a tantrum she can't have take-away again and I'm supposed to listen to her because she's older. Or that time she was sleeping around and I made the judgement call to get her on birthcontrol and years later it turns out she thought she couldn't get pregnant at all because she was trying and failing and I realised I didn't explain it properly. And now mum wonders why she isn't getting grandkids from me, I've already been a terrible parent once, not trying again.

@@esmee6308 that's awful I hope you were able to find some peace and stray away from all the pressure and stress later in life.

yeah that kind of sexism happens almost everywhere sadly. * intersectional feminism intensifies *

yeah

Totally agree. Actually, Bruno's OCD is mentioned in the movie script, so could it be considered a sort of canon? idk, the only thing i'm sure of is that most of people have no idea of what OCD is about. First of all, it’s not about the obsessions topics, but the way these obsessions get stuck in people's heads and what they do trying to overcome them (compulsions). Obviously superstitious rituals themselves are not intrinsically related to OCD and assuming otherwise is problematic. Sure, Bruno is superstitious, and surely his rituals are related to his cultural background, but its the over-exaggerate way he performs them that makes them look really compulsive. They also seem to reflect him being state of anxiety. I'm sure he possibly having OCD doesn't erase the culture or the generational trauma, it just adds an ulterior layer to the character's depth. Personally, as having OCD myself, i felt moved to finally see on screen the representation of a character with OCD symptoms which is not stereotypical.

"Latino people are superstitious" How does that mean a Latino person can't be ocd?

@@thepinkestpigglet7529 LEGIT. People from superstitious families and cultures actually struggle MORE with OCD because people wont listen to them and cant get a diagnosis as a result

@@zech_ THIS. People wave it off as superstitious cultural behaviour but a superstition should not cause you anxiety and they SHOULD NOT rule your life. And the rituals should not lead to massive relief. When they do, as with Bruno, it becomes OCD. And while superstitious behaviour doesnt automatically equate to OCD, it CAN be a common manifestation (referred to as Magical Thinking OCD).

ikr!! i have ocd too, and people act like you can't be both neurodivergent and latino?? it's so weird, i really dont understand what goes through the heads of the ppl who gatekeep like that

dude colombia is what? maybe we are more progressive than other latinamerican countries but i certainly wouldn't call Colombia one of the most queer friendly place in the entire world. Maybe just bogotá and even that is pushing it a little.

Colombia is what? LMAO

@Lya Tahiri You are really understimating how NON queer friendly the rest of the world is, dude. A country that allows gay marriage, doesn't linch queer people on the street and doesn't define itself by it's queerphobia is queer friendly by definition. Also, that is literally what queer colombian organizations say too. Google about that. You guys have an actual entire LGBT+ district with it's own openly LGBT+ representatives.

@@gearbear4530 A country that allows gay marriage, doesn't linch queer people on the street and doesn't define itself by it's queerphobia is queer friendly by definition. Also, that is literally what queer colombian organizations say too. Google about that. You guys have an actual entire LGBT+ district with it's own openly LGBT+ representatives.

@@cidevant002 by "queer district" you probably mean Bogota, where Claudia Lopez, a lesbian woman, is mayor, pretty shitty at her job of protecting marginalized comunities and just shitty at her job in general so it's not like that's a win in the lgbtq+ colombian comunity's book, but it also ignores the fact that a few months ago some crazy dude interrupted one of her public events to tell her she was going to hell, when she won there was outrage because she published a picture kissing her wife AND her oponent was pretty openly homophobic. Just last week i was on the bus and they were saying on the radio a trans woman had been found dead with signs of torture, and that wasn't the first time something like that has happened this year. This country is deeply catholic and some of its most prominent politicians are openly anti-lgbtq+, they are still against any kind of gender identity talk because that's "indoctrinating children" Colombia is definitely not one of the most queer friendly places in the world when all we do is the bare minimun.

I???????? if you think being a trans woman is less feminine than being a cis woman, then that is just transphobia, plain and simple.

I haven't seen the video yet, but this feels like the right comment to post on. How do you guys feel specifically about the HC of Luisa being trans? I've seen some people say that we shouldn't be taking away the strong female character (mainly saying that the HCers are saying women cannot be "biologically strong"). I've also seen that the majority of people who headcannon this are transfem people who like working out and haven't had surgeries. What are your takes? I personally think that yes, it is nice to have a strong female character, people who see themselves in her shouldn't be hated for HC her as trans, because it doesn't take anything away from her.

@@demetrian7856 Depends entirely on the context. Personally? Eh, not my cup of tea. Your example of transfem seeing themselves in Luisa? A+, keep rocking on! However, while I thankfully haven't seen this specifically for Luisa, I have seen trans-headcanons in other fandoms that - intentionally or unintentionally - imply the only reason a women is strong and/or has muscles is because she's AMAB. Usually the HC is meant to be pro-trans, it just ends up unintentionally transphobic/sexist because of ignorance or forgetting context. In general I don't mind what people headcanon. Canon won't be affected any way, so make all the fanwork and headcanons you want! But I will side-eye people who seriously claim their HC is canon. Mostly because I saw so many transpeople be heartbroken or annoyed when yet another "canon transperson" turned out to be either a crossdresser or just not 100% masculine/feminine.

@@demetrian7856 for me I think as long as it’s not solely based in stereotypes, then it’s ok. I think the idea that making a woman trans means she’s only strong because of the way she was born just enforces the harmful idea that “trans women aren’t real women”. If someone really relates to a character and wants to hc the character to be even more similar to themselves, I don’t really see any harm in it.

@@demetrian7856 I don't headcanon Luisa as trans, but as a transfem who has a body type similar to hers, I do see myself in her, and that's comforting to me. I don't see anything wrong with that.

WELL SAID

This ^^^^ They’re spitting F.A.C.T.S

I’m Colombian and didn’t like encanto because it just felt bland, but here’s my actual problems with it and the whole situation It’s really annoying first world people need to be spoon-feed information about other cultures by their own corporations, example: I just googled “Colombian movies with English subtitles” and found at least 20 free to watch movies within the first 4 results, some even here on KZfaq, but some people just discovered my country even existed through this movie And I guess I should be happy, at least my country won’t be misspelled with an U instead of an O that much and some people realized there’s black people here in Latin America, so... yay? I mean, I don’t want so say Encanto didn’t do something important, but somehow don’t feel satisfied It’s just... I find it depressing that the cost of representation is having my culture forever be associated to this giant, evil monopoly

@@squeen666 FAX

I'm so confused as a bi white Brazilian...where the hell do I fit in this discourse? I'm I considered Latino, too? do i have a say in this?

My thoughts too. It's interesting that it can be offensive both ways... "X woman doesn't like that Y guy? Must be a lesbian"

This, Fandom always getting a head of themselves, one thing to have fanfics another to say it's possible in Canon or coded when it's not

How would Luisa being a transwoman take away from her being a woman?

@@gota7738 In representation logic it's saying she's buff because she's trans, and also that trans women are buff. Making a buff cis woman or a skinny trans woman gets you 'better' diversity.

Absolutely agree. This video alone has earned a subscription from me.

Exactly

I was thinking this while listening. They are funny, well spoken, and put some real effort anf thought into this video and it's content.

yeah it was a great video and even got me too stay who dislikes the whole movement of victim/who has it worse.

Who tf is fighting in this comment section? Point me to them. You can't. They don't exist

Racist

@@skylarbremen5552 ?

@@skylarbremen5552 huh? So now we're pulling the racist word now, I see.

@@iknowthatyouregayfireflies9992 yes because I’m joking

@@skylarbremen5552 just because something is a joke doesn’t mean that it’s not racist.

Damn, that sounds like a complex as hell poem. Props for you. I admire people who can make those kind of poems, you know with intent and forethought, as mine are about shoes being sad and carthographic hair. Not very deep I must admit. But yeah. Like goddamn keep being creative.

Good job on expressing nicely the complex topic of intersectionality. I hope you will create more poems.

The initial statement is also just straight up ignoring the pro-HC POC in the discourse. Because the straights will always wish to separate what they see as "their" culture from queerness.

as a bisexual, trans, Aboriginal, damn if those arguments don't make me just want to walk tf away from all of society.

this is kind of a random personal anecdote, but one time i wrote a poem about similar issues for school and ended up winning second place in a contest I didn't even remember entering lol

Ah sì, gli americ*ni che pensano che le persone italiane non siano bianche

@@lekswig3316 how?

They do well on calling you a groomer

@@doctext-jose.e-3484 ah yes, you certainly have a great grasp of what that word means. You sure put your big boy pants there, using such a big boy word.

@@doctext-jose.e-3484 no bitches ?

As an asexual and aromantic closeted colombian I agree. However I don't like the associaton people make with religion and national identity, like not being Catholic/Christian makes anybody belong less to the Colombian culture. Like sure, it still has a huge influence, but it's changing and even people that belong to those religions are much more open minded than media likes to represent us

Yes it upsets me that people are just excluding their fellow Columbians who are not straight and/or cis from claiming something not openly explained in the story- but easily metaphorical for being closeted or shunned by family. It's sad, because a queer reading doesn't exclude the nationality of any character..

It's homophobic and racist in and of itself to imply gay people can't be Colombian and Colombian people can't be gay. Good post

You lost me when you said latinx

Yeah just gotta keep watching the underwealming lackluster representation from caracol and RCN I guess

Sorry, could you please elaborate? I'm also queer and from South America, and I wasn't aware there was a huge difference between both queer cultures. Unless I'm just clueless, really (which is a huge possibility)

I'm not really good with words, so I apologize if i'm unable to explain my point well. If you look closely into how culture affects the behaviours of queer people in different cultures, you will be able to see the differences between queer people from the united estates and other non-latino countries and queer people from latino countries. Things such as inside jokes, the way they dress, the way they speak, what they consider to be "affeminate" or "masculine", etc. I hope this awnser helps.

replying mostly for notifications! Anyone have examples of cultural behaviors and in-jokes and whatnot among both respective queer communities, for reference on what to include and what to avoid? No pressure to reply of course just hoping to get right all i can when i write them.

@@peeblekitty5780 So I am personally not Latina and can't speak on that but I noticed one thing people were discussing online was Encanto's use of color as a representation for how queer a character is. Specifically, in What Else Can I Do there's a lot of changes in both Isabella's surroundings and her dress going from a traditional fem color (pink) to more rainbow/multicolored (I believe the colors of her dress are the same as the Columbian flag). A lot of people used this as a visual representation for her coming out as in America, colorful stuff is very strongly linked to the queer community, if that makes sense? Whereas in a lot of other cultures, that shift in colors doesn't really mean anything. I am personally Asian and lots of traditional clothing is incredibly vibrant and multicolored so I didn't think anything of that scene whereas other Americans (specifically white Americans) may have interpreted it differently.

@@wiseathena97 interesting thank you! /gen

To be fair, no one exists. I’m a solipsist.

You are very right, thumbs up 👍

It literally is but ok💀

@@Very_Silly_Individual but would you describe having a relationship with the opposite sex NSFW? Of course you wouldnt, its drilled into you from the day your born. Little phrases like “oh he’s such a ladies man already” or “ooh shes gonna be a heartbreaker” coupled with being raised on kids movies with straight love stories, these reinforce the idea that straight is the norm and what is the only acceptable form of relationship. People arent cutting out NSFW themes to protect children, they’re erasing queer identities and relationships.

I only really make it a problem when they are trying to tell me that their AU IS the plot of the movie but thats more me going "Wtf are you talking about"

I agree, i've never heard headcanons equated to theories. its even in the name, "head" canon. canon in your head but nothing you can take to court

Yeah I’m not Latino myself but I’m mixed race, and queer and neurodivergent and I immediately saw so much of myself in Bruno even the first time I watched encanto, so to see the whole discourse popping up is wild.

People need to stop identifying as stuff. Just BE. The fewer labels you put on yourself, the fewer reasons you’ll have to feel left out for any reason.

@@micahwright5901 i'm not sure i would go that far. labels are useful because people are oppressed in a real way by capitalism, and those labels help oppressed people find each other. insofar as that is the case, labels have a utility. labels, i think, have less of a utility when describing separateness and marginalisation in smaller and smaller slivers becomes the point, rather than organising to resist the initial oppression that created the need for the label.

FACTS. i agree that we need labels to a certain extent, but only as a form of self expression, not to play “your identity v mine” dodgeball. if your labels are causing you to actively bother people with different labels, *there’s a problem*. i wish people would actually be as tolerant as they say they are.

Why do you get to say this is ours and not yours? Legitimately. You don't own it.

@@kellharris2491 It's funny because, last I checked, Disney is the only one that owns it :p

Exactly people are stupid that's why I stop interacting with people who do this same thing with Turning Red and Louca

Are Latinos marginalized? Their telenovelas are incredibly popular in my country

@@meimeilei yes, latinos are incredibly marginalized, especially in places like the US. for example, a huge chunk of trumps political campaign was to build a wall to keep latinos from crossing the mexican border into the US, and he actively spread the belief that illegal immigrants from mexico and south america would bring (in his words) more "killers, criminals and rapists" into the country. the fact that he won the election and has thousands of people supporting him to this day speaks volumes on how latino people are viewed in the US

I agree with you, headcanons are just supposed to be these silly little things we add to characters in our own mind because it's fun or because we see ourselves in them. Like I headcanon bami as enby because I keep forgetting his gender but like I also understand that that's just a silly little me thing.

The internet was made for hot takes, so it doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is to have the hottest take. Thanks for reading my hot take. That's not actually very hot, but oh well.

ayyy i hc Mondo as trans as well🤝

i spend a lot of time on pinterest and when somebody hcs an encanto character they usually just put the sexuality's flag or they put it in between a bunch of other hcs. it's not aggressive at all.

When people start taking things that came ot of 2010´s tumblr this seriuosly we have a problem. Roy Mustang can be a trans man, Bruno can be as gay as you want; because it affects the twelve people that follow your blog, tops. People need to chill

oof i saw that interview as well haha

drop the link sis i need to see this

Pls pls what interview was it?

Following to get that link as well

linkkkkkk

it's not the 2020s or a generational problem, it's a systemic one. marginalised groups have always been fighting each other under the guise of "they are taking away my resources" (this happens everywhere, see for example poor people who are made to hate immigrants for taking away jobs or made to hate people who can't/don't have a job for exploiting the system in which they have to work so hard in which is dumb cause the real people taking away resources and exploiting the system will always be the ones already in power)

@@DineLade LOUDER FOR THE ONES IN THE BACK. But no seriously, I'm still in awe at how now that I'm actually understanding what the shit patriarchal capitalism is, everything keeps stemming from it. Misogyny (and the misandry that's really "toxic reverse misogyny")? Patriarchy, motivated by capitalism! Cishetallonormativity? Patriarchy, motivated by capitalism! Classism? Patriarchy, motivated by capitalism! Racism? Patriarchy, motivated by capitalism! It's like the four horsemen of the patriarchy, where the ones who profit are the rich men in power and thanks to christianity, the rich white men in power. And these things can all intersect and fuck shit up even more, because it helps cause power struggles between marginalized groups and it's such obvious "divide and conquer" tactics that I'm always angry when people don't realize the people in power WANT this to continue and they keep trying to fan the flames.

Yes 😔

@@neoqwerty If only we all stop fighting amongst ourselves and unite against our common enemy - the rich, white, cishet, male, Christian, capitalist. Edit: A modern Black Panthers is needed.

@@neoqwerty You know there are millionares that are not white, or that are women, right.....???

Oh, yeah. It was really disappointing to see the amount of people saying things like "Ew, don't say Bruno isn't neurotypical, that's gross! Don't say the man who spent ten years hiding from his family in their own house could possibly be anything but mentally stable! Mental disorders are disgusting!" Especially because the entire narrative is about Mirabel not having the same abilities as the rest of her family, and being belittled, ignored, or mocked because of it. Nope, no neurodivergent or disabled person could /possibly/ relate to that.

Colombian*

[chanting] post them post them post them! POST THEM!

Yeah like, some of these people are making it sound like being queer is « a white thing »… Which is kind of confusing to me.

​@@viveleshistoires4874 I guess having family be queer is more of an "issue" over there that they want to erase (not trying to be racist, I'm just unfamilliar). At least where I'm from, white families seem to be more accepting of lgbt stuff than poc families so that's probably the excuse made by non-white anti-lgbt families to pretend that their fam can't be queer too. (it's extra weird because in these kinds of families the lgbt and non-neurotypical people get the most familial trauma)

@@Toiletdeer Yeah, I bet you there are many LGBT+ people in those regions that don't want to admit it because they're scared that they'll get blacklisted by everyone around them. There's even evidence around here in the US that there are homophobes out there that are homosexuals themselves, but don't want to admit it for the same reasons.

exactly!!

dude for real! that comment was so ignorant and tone deaf.

why use Latinix?

@@zoren3320 Ik right just say Latin or Hispanic?

Pls don’t say Latinx