It's not lack of awareness, it's almost certainly by design in my opinion

It's so frustrating any time this has brought up the Gaijin response is simply "We have all the information about which balance changes are best and you do not." It reeks of arrogance coming from a developer that puts the same plane at different battle ratings for different nations constantly seemingly without any human oversight.

Gaijin is too busy having work retreats to Italy and drinking vodka to balance the game.

Fixing these issues would take more effort than spamming out a shiny new vehicle that sells like hotcakes anyways. From a profit perspective there is no reason to fix anything

Lack of awareness or just simply not caring because people will still pay money for this shit

My contact at Gaijin says they would like to interview you for a position!

That's just laughable

I guess everyone missed that the Ta152C3 is at 6.3 now which is hilarious

@@miller0734 Yeah, it is fucking retarded. Also, the Su-11 and the F-89 are still 7.0.

@@miller0734 The C-3 does have really good energy retention and vertical turning ability, with most players opting to hunt down bombers and work their way down. I don’t think it needed to be 6.3 though, and the F8F-1 at 5.0 is insanity.

And the g14s are still 5.3

Compare the 2 and it's pretty obvious how broken the game is. F-14 is an 11.7 at least. F-14: better gun, better radar, better flight model(this one is huge since stuff like Fgr2 is at 11.3 as well but has the worse flight model by far as well as missiles), better missiles(especially in sim). Then look at FGR which has roughly the same missile capability as the viggen but it has a way worse flight model but somehow viggen is 11.0? Hah. Funny thing is, this is less broken than Su-25 with all aspect missiles at 9.7 I'm complaining just to complain but still

Here's another one: the Ta 152C is now at a higher BR that the Ta 152H. Insane.

Everyone knows the F-14 would bring a LOT of powecreep into the game and yet the community kept asking for it. Then all you have for the MM is F-14 vs F-14 and people complaining about how the game is broken when they got exactly what they were asking for. Personally I believe the game was a lot more balanced when there was only US, Germany and USSR. All other nations only powercreep to the game.

@@mmmbrunommm3 The people who asked for it were US mains, many other people complained

@@skull1161 f14 atm is 13-14br at least

Best we can do is make it worse

@@DEFYN So introducing an F-15 Eagle and AMRAAMs in the next patch right?😉

@@martijn9568 f35 premium $150

Haha, NO. Gajin already said that nothing will be moved up. So Compression will get worse until Morale is broken.

all we need is like a barrier to stop a certain br from fighting another...

Honestly having 11.3 fight only 11.3 would be enough

Errr isn't this how you should play any aircraft at top tier in RB now?

@@M3PH11 No.

At least you all American mains have radar missiles, 4 mavericks and GBUs. German Phantom is crap ordnance-wise and is 11.0.

@@johanapolinarioveliz6754 stupid the buyer one but the top tier late has the same load out, and it doesn't matter you get slapped out the air by some German, French, Russian, or British SPAA or plane

This is the reason that I will never play above 10.0 until they decompress. I can't have fun with my stock planes higher than that because I get nuked before the fur ball even initiates

The battle rating compression is why I stopped playing. 2013-2018 was a decent run but the matchmaking was just awful.

@@thisisavirus I took a break in 2015 and came back in 2017 for a little while. Took another break and came back earlier this year. Ironically I enjoy props more now that ever, despite always wanting jets since the beginning

Yes and thats why with every year we get more players xD

@@wunderwafelek9740 yeah, flies flock to shit, nothing new.

@@wunderwafelek9740 new players dont see the issues with top tier (and everything for that matter) they just see cool tank/plane and get that ol dopamine hit

Warthunder has a gaijin problem

you all say this but I just see the opposite. More whales incoming and the 4 old players leaving

Thank you, I thought i was just shit with the f4j

@@ThatWarhammerBookGuy F-4J or EJ? I would say the F-4J is on-par with the EJ Kai honestly, it just gets absolutely dunked by the F-14A like everything else does.

@@henryatkinson1479 nah, ejkai has better radar

@@stormjet814 Barely. F-14, F-4EJ Kai, and F-4F, and F-4M all have such good radars that the differences hardly matter for firing Sparrows.

Cries in F-4F at 11.0 despite only getting AIM-9J's

The issue of seperating by ranks is certain vehicles that gaijin dont want to uprank (im looking at you Japan Air tree), despite their BR, will absolute seal stomp their ranks. Unless they do Rank+BR with in each rank (e.g. Rank 3 BR 1.0 would see stuff like chaffee, pz 3 J/M, BF109 F-4, etc)

@@PerciusLive that's why I mentioned only rank 5 - now 8 should be separated because of the compression in jets, at lower ranks it doesnt matter much.

the f-14 has been in the game less than 6 months. Why are you writing like your 70 and reminising about the war?

@@M3PH11 Why are you so insecure that you have to ask?

You don't know what's the MOST funny. Viggen can at least play with his aim-9j because of his radar and sparrows, but the German phantom has NEVER used aim-9j. He had aim-9l, but gayjin doesn't want to give it to him. Are these balance reasons or am I not understanding something?

I agree, although MiG19 is nasty in a dogfight, people just need to extend, regain energy and yeet a 30g at you from 3km away while you're still fiddling with the entire enemy team while you're the last one on yours. Elitists can't tell Mig19 mains to "go cope you can dodge magics" because that ain't true unless the 30g slingers are stupid... or it's an R60 which can easily be dodged past 2.5km.

@@kingghidorah8106 Anyone that says you can consistently dodge magics in a mig19 needs to check their chromosome count. Only way your going to evade a 30+ G missile without flares in a 19 is if you perfectly anticipate the launch and started manoeuvring before hand at the perfect time or it was a poor launch from the enemy. If its on the way from any type of reasonable angle and distance your dead af.

@@skilz2kil528 Can I list the names of those with an extra chromosome?

@@kingghidorah8106 hahaha be my guest

Welcome to the club, all of us Sabre players at 9.0 have been dealing with this shit for a while. Constant uptiers to 10.0 against all the fancy Russian bs that we shouldn't be seeing at all.

My friends have been talking about this very thing.

Yeah… no. Lmao

thats still to low of a BR for planes like this. everything needs to be stretched out

I remember people saying we'd likely see 11.7 with the F-14

@@BKBCrAnK oh absolutely, my first comment I was being facetious and forgot text doesn't portray that well

I'd expect an F-15A to be honest. The F-15C is going to be that tier 8 premium within 2 years ofcourse..

It wouldn’t single-handedly but it would be a good idea

@@mr.astronuts3825 yeah for sure some aircraft would still need a looking at - especially ones that have been forced further down due to the current compression (literally just leading to more compression lmao)

"Why is it that players have to rely on player-created mods in order to gain information that should be available in the base game? Why, in a game where you have to spend hours grinding out upgrades for an aircraft that costs ludicrous amounts of in-game currency to repair, are you not given basic information on your enemies that can indicate how to approach a fight?" I hate to break it to you but this isn't a Gaijin wants money problem. This is a players problem. Nobody needs WTRTI or any other mod and none of those mods will tell you anything about what to properly do. You can learn everything you need to from just basic observation as you fly with/against each aircraft and apply fundamental dogfighting tactics. The problem is two fold. 1. A majority of players refuse to see themselves as the issue as to why they get killed, lose games, et cetera. Until they do they will never be anything more than a trash player. Why? Without recognition of what you are doing wrong and blaming yourself for it there will never be any capacity for improvement. Until the player base becomes self aware of just how bad they are and own up to that fact they aren't going to get better. This is by far the biggest problem. No amount of information provided will help these players as they mindlessly go into full commit head ons, continuously try to turn fight A6Ms in everything they fly and try to prop hang for something 2km above them going twice their speed. In every game I play at least a quarter of the players in the lobby are these kind of players and they always cry that something is OP if they say something in chat after getting shot down. 2. Players have to learn basic dogfighting tactics and actually pay attention to the aircraft when they fly them. It is this information that is significantly more important than any player created mods could tell you. Truth be told that 'extra information' is almost completely useless to have. Don't believe me? Do you see Defyn using it? No you don't and he doesn't. All of that information is just fluffy extra that isn't needed. All that is needed is at least a solid grasp of basic dogfighting tactics and knowledge of the characteristics of the aircraft in question. The catch is that both of these require players to do their own homework to learn. Sure, there are very basic tactics guides in the game but I'm willing to bet money that dang near nobody knows where to even begin to find it in game. All a majority of players do is get on the game, choose a vehicle and then hit to battle. In terms of #2 basic tactics can be learned in game but it is better to go to youtube. Do a search on basic dogfighting tactics. As for aircraft characteristics? Do a few test flights. Test out their climb rates, how fast they can dive, how they handle in general through the entire speed range, how fast they can go in level flight, et cetera. There is a lot to learn if one does that and at least takes mental notes. From there it is about applying aerial combat tactics.

@@rainsilent I don’t disagree, but I think you’re completely missing my point. Experienced players like myself want to have more information available to them so we can make more informed decisions in a match. Really, it isn’t just identifying enemies - there’s also the lack of other important info you don’t get about _your_ aircraft, like angle of attack, current G load (below overload thresholds), climb rate, etc. These can also be viewed through mods to the game, but to the best of my knowledge there isn’t an easily accessible way to view this info in-game. Granted not everyone will use this information, sure; but there could always be an option to choose what info is displayed on the HUD, just like we already have with engine/oil temps and ammo count. Many players could learn a lot from having this info readily available, and have a better understanding of their aircraft’s weaknesses and strengths. However, it’s my belief that either not enough people ask for this feature or Gaijin simply doesn’t care enough to add it. In their defense, there’s other more important issues to fix, a whole sea of bugs; but given that this game caters to an audience that looks for realism, immersion, detail, and a desire to learn about aircraft, extended aircraft ID and more HUD options are long overdue.

@@thisguyyyyyyy2723 "These can also be viewed through mods to the game, but to the best of my knowledge there isn’t an easily accessible way to view this info in-game." Correct. A lot of the info you are hinting to is not at all available as an option. As for why it isn't? It was asked if a lot of the info from WTRTI could be made available as options and Gaijin basically said just use WTRTI. A la they aren't interested for whatever reason. It could be laziness but I am entirely willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and say that they got other problems they want to address. As for many players learning from it? I have serious doubts but it would be nice if they did.

Tbf yeah the fact that there are f86 variants at 9.0 is insane

He often puts it in the description

It's mostly because this lacks a pulse Doppler radar and if he's high enough ground clutter won't affect us too much

Ranks don't decompress, they just scatter the planes while keeping the BR, so that you have to grind more to buy 5 more planes to unlock the stuff.

The F-5E is at 11.0 because despite its age it is a plane that is pretty much designed for War Thunder, and it's capable of curbstomping anything that underestimates it. Very, very generous flightmodel, low heat signature and decent countermeasure number, and a tiny tiny profile for gunshots. A demon in the right hands, and easily the equal of the 21Bis. Even in the F-5A I have a lot of fun

The NASA rig

@@DEFYN nice

Plug a keyboard and a mouse and see what happens?

@@lixlivlxxxiv714 yeah. I was afraid of that lol

Yes, you can learn free look and maneuver right here. Feel free to. Just throw away a controller and switch to keayboard and mouse. It will make a totally different game for you.

He just didn't turn his burner off MLD is extremely hot

@@DEFYN The Tumansky R-25 is the only engine I've seen match the heat output of twin engined afterburning jets, it puts everything short of the tomcat to shame. That thing absolutely vomits out fuel in burner, which to be fair is why the 23 is so nice in a dogfight

I played like 3 games of naval so someone plays it atleast a tiny bit (then I realized the gameplay is painfully bad when 90%of it is sniping people from 10 km away)

Can't wait to fight F-15s and Su-27s in my Phantom at this rate...

And now, even spaded gameplay is kinda painful. It feels like nothing you do matters. It's frustrating.

It's an MLD that didn't drop his burner A 9B will track if it can pull into that

@@DEFYN my fault i thought u sent an aim7 at him i never even looked i was so appalled

Usual TT Su17M2 is even more mythic