Here's a qualitative introduction to another way of looking at physics.
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@kevinwaterman53589 жыл бұрын
Around 9:30 when the narrator begins listing the reasons why this is worth knowing, the reason that kept popping into my head was (while closely related to reasons 1 and 2) is that it shows that the Newtonian methodology is not necessary. I think finding a separate way of solving these equations shows that while they are both extraordinarily accurate, they are both inventions, and that other inventions that solve these problems might still yet be more useful and powerful, and maybe even simpler than either. To me that is the most exciting thing about a first encounter with the principle of least action, is it can make a person realize that our descriptions are provincial, and the possibility of a great discovery, even in the realms we think to have mastered, seems to still be possible.
@debayandas11285 жыл бұрын
Your insight is powerful.
@defunct13733 жыл бұрын
I had never thought of something that way, thanks for sharing.
@davidfiala16463 жыл бұрын
I dont know, if there is another way of comming to the equation for action, but in my class we derived this equation (i.e. S = T - U) from lagrangian and that we derived from Newton's second law. So as this is beautiful, the Newtonian methodology is still necessary, at least in our class it was. Though the principle of least action does not require the second law, only the action does.
@BenDover-gd3mf2 жыл бұрын
Yes and no...he immediately then uses integration which is Newton's fluxions. The idea here is it's an Occam's Razor, the simplicity is what helps.
@jimdogma153710 жыл бұрын
Why does that graph remind me of the Jaws poster from the 70's?
@ChaineYTXF5 жыл бұрын
great... now all I can see is a shark
@josefrancis71265 жыл бұрын
Because Physics is a mathematical monster. It will bite off a portion of your brain/mind,
@videofountain4 жыл бұрын
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@simonjeffery505511 жыл бұрын
Hi Physics Help. I really enjoyed this video and compliment you on your style in presenting the information. I can not believe that I never came across this Principal (not in high school or Engineering school) until I read that book "The Theoretical Minimum". As Jared points out above it ties nicely into Relativity and QM (I have not tackled String Theory yet). I am looking forward to viewing your other videos.
@PhysicsHelps11 жыл бұрын
Hey thanks for the feedback. This is just the first video of a playlist (still in progress right now). In the "Finding the path of least action" videos, you'll find the equivalence to Newton's 2nd law is addressed. You're right about quantum, but I'm waiting until I actually cover the Hamiltonian to allude to quantum mechanics since that's what's more commonly used in quantum.
@comprehensiveboy8 жыл бұрын
Principle of Least Action? Kinda sounds like my social life dude. :(
@t3db0t977 жыл бұрын
I lol'd. This is my new favorite physics joke. Also: sorry X-)
@DiamondSane6 жыл бұрын
Thats because nobody can avoid fundamental physics law.
@Mayank-mf7xr4 жыл бұрын
this is the first of your videos i have watched and oh god you're amazing. would love to be your subscriber
@Cosmalano9 жыл бұрын
Been reading quantum mechanics and path integrals but couldn't figure out what s was. Thanks man!
@zoltankurti5 жыл бұрын
Dude, you are dumb and a lier. These are not quantum mechanical path integrals, and you would know this if you really read about path integrals. This is classical mechanics. The obvious difference is, that from path integrals, you get a probability of the object being there, and this is not the case with classical mechanics.
@Saptarshi.Sarkar4 жыл бұрын
@City of Stars lol
@zoltankurti5 жыл бұрын
All right, I see great confusion in this comment section, thanks to the misleading title. In mechanics, this principle should be called stationary action, not least action, since it isn't that. The easiest example is a hatmonic oscillator, you can easily sgow that for given boundary conditions staying still has less action than the actual motion of the object. THIS IS NOT THE PRINCIPLE OF LEAST ACTION, BUT THE PRINCIPLE OF STATIONARY ACTION. And there isn't a deep phylosophical depth behind why this works. It just turns out to be mathematically equvivalent to newtons laws. It actually has a connection with quantum mechanics, you can basicakly derive the stationary action from quantum mechanics, but that is a pretty advanced topic.
@afederdk8 жыл бұрын
Answered exactly the questions I had about this concept.
@TheFirstBK11 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the simple explanation, brah
@joeboxter36354 ай бұрын
S, i believe, because historically this intergral was associated with length (ds) and that was denoted as ds, integrated S. And the idea of shortest path comes from Hygen's principle that light travels shortest distance. But its also L or H.
@TheWellwells10 жыл бұрын
Thank you for posting these videos. They are extremely helpful.
@MrJzsmokesweed500010 жыл бұрын
Your video was very informative. Thanks!
@MardkoMBR5 жыл бұрын
Very well explain and helpful, Thank you !
@holyswordStockholm8 жыл бұрын
Great informative video!
@davidmiguel56748 жыл бұрын
Really good introduction!
@andrejburcev60234 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the informative video! Can you please clarify something. From the equation I can conclude that having a small kinetic energy and high potential energy does not really describe the behaviour of the equation. However it is the average DIFFERENCE between them that is important. So average difference should be as small as possible. I.e. both of the energies can be very large or very small, the minimum average difference is the one that wins. What am I missing? (obviously with the assumption that "Action" scalar is always positive)
@andrewtaylor97993 жыл бұрын
Why should Action always be positive? For a stationary object at some height, potential energy is positive, while kinetic energy is 0, so T-U is negative,.
@WilliamChouffot6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the explanation of Feynman's Principle of Least Action.
@rajeevkumarajad7715 жыл бұрын
*Hamilton's principle of least action
@klam779 жыл бұрын
another way of saying "minimize action" is to: maximize potential energy for a given initial kinetic energy (the speed at which you throw the rock)?
@vancefontaine2 жыл бұрын
Physics University student here, love this video.
@bsingin648 жыл бұрын
Assuming the item were launched from h=0 in a consistent field of gravity, wouldn't this equation always = 0?
@amiralx888 жыл бұрын
thanks you saved my year
@eric_welch7 жыл бұрын
Has anyone told you you talk just like Sal Khan from Khan academy?? Thanks ...these vids are helping me prep for my upcoming QFT class ...cheers!!
@sergio371312 күн бұрын
Hello! Not using Newton's F = ma, allow me ask: 1 - Where does the { Action = Integral (K - U)dt} come from? 2 - Where does the {Lagrangian (K - U)} come from? 3 - Can I deduce that I must minimize the Action integral equation from minimizing the potential energy U? 4 - Can you elaborate? Thanks!👋
@IqbalHamid5 жыл бұрын
@05:26 We use the letetr 'S' for action for some reason? I think the fact that S = T - U, may give us a clue why at least two f these letters were chosen : )
@Tim-Kaa5 жыл бұрын
Richard Feynman wrote his PhD thesis on this for QM in 1942
@mooly156 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@danielganarojas4 жыл бұрын
Thank for this video, there arent videos on youtube about this, and they do not say exactly the same shit and do not add anything new, thanks bro
@bonjourcoco9 жыл бұрын
Something bugs me all the time: if i let a rock free fall, it accelerates (increase in T) down (decrease in U). More generally systems tends to minimise their U. Moreover, in relativity, a particule chooses the geodesic with the maximum proper time, and action is essentially the proper time (length along geodesic). So shouldn't that be called the principle of maximum action and reverse your discussion ? I am probably wrong because it's still called the principle of least action, i just don't understand why.
@MBailey0199 жыл бұрын
Is there any relation between this and the Lifeguard's Calculation? I've come across both concepts separately, but they both seem to be ways of illustrating the same broader concept.
@MBailey0199 жыл бұрын
Also, does this stay true in non-uniform fields?
@comic4relief4 жыл бұрын
How does light propagation fit in?
@chrisparsonson884110 жыл бұрын
so helpful thank you!!
@sinersaiyan62287 жыл бұрын
How did they conclude that the action should be the integral of T - U,?(or, in other words the Lagrangian) ? I don't quite understand where the T-U comes from and if there could be any other definition and we use this one as it is the simplest one. ( I know that it works as i've solved problems using this concept, but it is this theorical aspect in particular that I couldnt find the answer to.)
@Tyns197 жыл бұрын
siner saiyan in fact the lagrangian is not unique, instead of "L :lagrangian" you can add to it any total time derivative and the physics stay the same, (i.e. L->L+dF/dt) where F is any arbitrary differentiable function Read more about D'alembert principal and you will figure it out
@sinersaiyan62287 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your answer!
@drizzy84508 жыл бұрын
Question: "What is the point?!" 8:41 Answer: QUANTUM MECHANICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LoL
@comic4relief4 жыл бұрын
Too many exclams
@_HrickKarnaRoy5 жыл бұрын
Amazing brother.. I like your teaching process
@PhysicsHelps5 жыл бұрын
Thanks, eh
@MSApro12310 жыл бұрын
Big LIKE!
@mohamedbelebardi1836 Жыл бұрын
It must be called the principle of least energy because action is a force. can we arrive at this principle starting from the forces applied instead of the energies?
@zphuo6 жыл бұрын
@8:00 is that mean that if start point and final point is fixed, then only middle path is possible?
@PhysicsHelps6 жыл бұрын
Yes, but it's key to include the start and final times in the "points".
@zphuo6 жыл бұрын
thanks
@ultimatequantumguy31316 жыл бұрын
Unless I am significantly misunderstanding, the way in which the narrator describes action at around 8:00 implies that it is impossible to throw a ball higher or lower than a fixed path. I'm assuming that the reason that this is not true is because we're setting the initial kinetic energy by throwing the ball at a fixed speed, and ergo kinetic energy. I still get the point, but it does feel like a slightly unclear description...
@PhysicsHelps6 жыл бұрын
The endpoints (including both position and time) are treated as fixed in this method. With fixed (h1, t1) and (h2, t2) fixed, there *is* one possible path given this potential energy function. You could throw the ball on a higher or lower path to the same position, but the time would have to change. Does that help?
@ultimatequantumguy31316 жыл бұрын
Point taken, I was wondering what I must have missed! :)
@nilaksh0075 жыл бұрын
Good video. The pace was a bit slow for me but no problem I just speed up the video to 1.25x
@bennattj11 жыл бұрын
You are absolutely right that it's interesting (no doubt) and useful (again, no doubt)...I think you should ALSO mention the fact that ALL modern physics is based on this principal, from Relativity to Quantum Mechanics to String Theory. Although this doesn't necessarily "prove" it's correct, it shows how it is actually used (likewise you never really proved that Newton's Laws are equivalent to Hamilton's Principle).
@zoltankurti5 жыл бұрын
But to be honest even texts don't prove it. Did you ever show that for holonom constrained systems described by appropirately choosen generalised koordinates the principle of STATIONARY (not least) action is the same as newtons laws? I guess not, I don't know any texts proving this. They usually show that it's equvivalent for descartes koordinates, but than they usually don't even show for generalised coordinates.
@zoltankurti5 жыл бұрын
Never mind constraints. They are even trickier to prove.
@pcalculas6 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@mohamedbelebardi1836 Жыл бұрын
then matter prefers rest to movement, why?
@Madvilllain10 жыл бұрын
Why would you want T to be small and U to be large? Wouldn't you want them both to be small if you're trying to minimize your differences... a small number subtracted by a large number is still a large difference? Or by a minimum of "S" do you mean negative values as well? ( I guess I'm thinking of absolute differences)
@kat4onelove8 жыл бұрын
+Madvilllain I'm wondering the exact same thing. In physics, I think one should consider absolute differences, since the negative and positive signs are just indicators of direction. Therefore, Shouldn't you want T and U to have roughly the same value? because the the closer the values are to one another, the smaller the difference, right?
@AlchemistOfNirnroot8 жыл бұрын
+Madvilllain T-U=-(T+u)=-E, E cannot be negative since negative energy makes no sense.
@PhysicsHelps8 жыл бұрын
+Madvilllain Sorry for the delay on this answer. We're worried about *minimizing* the value of T-U, not about making T and U close to each other. I used the word "difference" because that's usually the word analogous to "sum" when you're subtracting instead of adding, but I see how it's confusing here. (This is a good lesson for me.) If we were worried about the values of T and U being close to each other, our answer would change depending where we decided to define the zero of potential energy (which is always up to us).
@zoltankurti5 жыл бұрын
@@PhysicsHelps and that would be wrong for the harmonic oscillator. You are not minimizeing the action, you arr searching for the stationary points of it. ds/dx=0 is just that. The definition of stationary action, but this mustn't be minimum, nor a maximum.
@zoltankurti5 жыл бұрын
@Hugh Jones the video is wrong, this is not the principle of LEAST action, but the principle of stationary action. Properly put, this says that for small changes of the trajectory, thr action must stay constant.
@bindon85817 жыл бұрын
This is actually God's Way, if there is a god. But Leibniz called it Sufficient Reason. I don't know who invented calculus first. But Newton's Inverse CUBED law explains the wave/particle duality of quantum mechanics, if anyone had bothered to read Newton properly. Fancy Fields Medal maths isn't/wasn't necessary; the solution was staring us in the face all this time. I deserve a medal for pointing it out!
@g3452sgp5 жыл бұрын
Principle of least action. The name sound great! Why things go this way in this world? I feel the deep philosophy in it, don't you.
@kaeshavdanesh41235 жыл бұрын
Iamverysmart
@sairamkukkadapu54968 жыл бұрын
U are so smart where did u get all this information from
@dankuchar68214 жыл бұрын
College
@justintahmassebpur57403 жыл бұрын
damn leonardo dicaprio getting some action
@Sock11227 жыл бұрын
this is impressivly good. only 1:40 in
@drbonesshow12 жыл бұрын
The Principle of Most Action is moshing your way around a nightclub or stadium.
@bouhababrahim22923 жыл бұрын
U saved my brain 🧠
@blarnblarn84005 жыл бұрын
He sounds like Steve Carell :D
@thomasfisherson4 жыл бұрын
So the Universe is like me - tries its best to half-ass it
@user-qn5gv1dw6t5 жыл бұрын
Iunder stand thankyou
@comic4relief4 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure your depiction of why it works is right. It should not be too hard to visualize.
@karimkhan131210 жыл бұрын
i first read least action in 1983-- but i under stood today-- thank u
@derrickc28234 жыл бұрын
thought you were going to solve it
@americanborn67685 жыл бұрын
LoL...I wonder if ROCKpeople ever throw STICKS
@klam779 жыл бұрын
oops. it's about AVERAGE over the path.
@MiladP11 жыл бұрын
Great stuff, however, I have a comment to make: Please speed up the past of your videos. Thanks :)
@dankuchar68214 жыл бұрын
Letter S is used because it's from German, where this came from.
@michaelspencer83310 жыл бұрын
I think the comment about the shallow path having a small kinetic energy is wrong. To go just as far while subjected to the same gravity, it must be thrown quite hard. Bullets take a pretty flat trajectory.
@PhysicsHelps10 жыл бұрын
Thanks, this is a good point to clarify. The example in the video is about a rock being thrown straight upward into the air, so it's only moving in one spatial dimension, and the x-axis of the graph is time. So a flat path from point 1 to 2 would mean the rock barely moves, meaning the kinetic energy is small.
@michaelspencer83310 жыл бұрын
PhysicsHelps Oh, ok! I wasn't paying attention well enough and went ahead assumed that it was a x-y graph. Thanks for the video, it was quite helpful, and interesting!
@dlbattle10010 жыл бұрын
PhysicsHelps Still, it could take ANY of the "parabolic" paths depending on how hard it was thrown. How does this setup take into account how hard the rock is thrown initially?
@jamesusespivot9 жыл бұрын
PhysicsHelps according to the principle of least action, why does a rock fall when let go. shouldn't it stay still so it has maximum u and no t
@musicinajar9 жыл бұрын
jamesusespivot Using the principle you analyze the trajectory, you don't determine/drive the trajectory. If you let go of the rock it's not at its minimum of potential energy anymore, so the rock will fall to the ground. With the principle of least action you analyze what happens between the moment you let go of the rock (t0) and the moment it hit the ground (t1).
@TheDavidlloydjones7 жыл бұрын
It won't look like a parabola: it's an ellipse. -- Kepler.
@alphamikeomega57285 жыл бұрын
Not for a flat earth!
@deconfinedQPT7 жыл бұрын
Why T-V ?
@deconfinedQPT7 жыл бұрын
Indeed, not even just because it lacks intuitive explanation but also one must bear in mind that not in all cases Lagrangian is defined to be T-V. Hence I believe there must be some physical explanation for that matter.
@denglish52756 жыл бұрын
There is a very nice derivation of the langrange formalism from Newtonian mechanics in Goldstein's book chapter 1. It illuminates how kinetic energy minus potential energy comes about quite well.
@alijoueizadeh84774 жыл бұрын
I wonder too.
@ernestschoenmakers81814 жыл бұрын
This can be derived from D'Alembert's virtual displacement theorem.
@user-je4xw6tx3k4 жыл бұрын
4:15 a mistake here, if we add up all the points from t1 to t2 of the difference of KE and PE, that would be infinity for sure, it is because there are infinitely many points. So the correct way to say this is draw another graph with T-U to be the y-axis and time to be the x-axis, and calculate the area of it.
@JeannoC4 жыл бұрын
That is not true, because the difference will be infinitely small as well. I guess you want to take a look at some basic integration concepts.
@user-je4xw6tx3k4 жыл бұрын
@@JeannoC no, you are not true, the difference of KE-PE at any moment is definitly NOT infinitestial small. For example, i can tell the PE at h by mgh for any instant
@user-je4xw6tx3k4 жыл бұрын
@@JeannoC any INSTANT, the total energy of the system is NOT infintestial small, it is constant at any MOMENT. you are the one who need to look at basic calculus.
@hyperdimensionallight49313 жыл бұрын
this is awesome. Maybe "Action" in French starts with an S.
@davidelm54018 жыл бұрын
NO, IF YOU THROW IT HIGHER it will take longer to come back down. your graph shows it moving faster then returning in the same time.
@PhysicsHelps8 жыл бұрын
+DAVID ELM This method assumes the beginning and ending points and times are fixed, and it finds the *path* between those two points. This seems useless since we're normally wondering what the end result will be (rather than knowing it ahead of time), and in the case of projectiles, Newton's laws work just fine. But this method results in some powerful equations that make analysis easier in more complex situations. (I'd encourage you to watch further into the series.)
@travellcriner68496 жыл бұрын
There's something philosophically wrong with the narrator's approach: 1) The narrator defines action formally. 2) The narrator reveals the path taken is that of least action. 3) The narrator appeals to our intuition; it makes sense that you take the path that makes you do the least. The philosophical issue is that while the intuition in step 3 is sound, there is no reason to believe what is called "action" in our case has anything to do with the intuitive notion of "action." I mean, one could replace the curious label of "action" with "number of debt collectors" and rename the principle to "The law of taking the path with the least number of debt collectors." Why should I believe there's anything intrinsically sensible in referring to what has been defined as "action?"