The Prius Experiment: Better Fuel Economy with Oil Additives? (Liqui Moly Ceratec)

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Hey folks! In this video, we're going to see if the LiquiMoly Ceratec oil additive can save us some money on fuel.
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** VIDEO CHAPTERS **
00:00 Intro
01:20 Installing the Additive
05:22 Test Results
06:30 Data Analysis
08:20 Conclusions

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@Countryguy5967 Жыл бұрын

My argument for it being worth it would be that if you are getting better MPG, that means you are also having less wear and tear on your engine and transmission. So, keeping your car longer and more reliable would be worth it in the long run. Just my two cents

@michaelblacktree Жыл бұрын

That's a good point.

@shaazy 9 ай бұрын

Absolutely

@michaeltigue2952 5 ай бұрын

And you theoretically achieve that result at no cost because the fuel economy cancels the purchase price.

@typeins 4 ай бұрын

@@michaelblacktree and in my country the gas price for a gallon would be around 7,20 dollars so its a no brainer 😅

@jaynikk758 2 ай бұрын

Ceratec is good stuff. 20k+ excellent reviews on Amazon, and it's made in Germany.."you know the Germans make good stuff" 😂

@seawolf2144 Жыл бұрын

The point of using ceratec… what if you save an engine replacement after 100 000 ?

@Mark-nm6zw Жыл бұрын

Good analysis - but in the bigger picture, the saving of fuel is as a result of lower friction, lower friction means lower wear and an extended asset lifespan. So it's a win in my books - but I do have bias because I use it and have done for years...

@michaelblacktree Жыл бұрын

That's true, but would be very difficult for me to test. Plus this video series is all about fuel economy.

@mccanada269 Жыл бұрын

The fact that it lasts for 50000km and is relatively affordable. I put some in my Elantra Sport, MPG is slightly improved so far

@notsureyou 9 ай бұрын

@@mccanada269 Don't forget, With the 50,000 km claim. It's not that the product works 100% for that amount of time, and then suddenly stops working. The effects start to decrease, and are no longer measurable at the 50,000 km mark. So some people are using a bottle every second oil change or so.

@typeins 4 ай бұрын

Prius Four Touring 2016 with 30.000 miles.. we had like 62 mpg in the city and Highway with 42 mpg @ 93 mph with winter tyres.. now we used Engine Flush for about 25 minutes + 0W20 + Ceratec + gasoline system cleaner and now we have like 74 mpg in the city and 50 on the highway.. 😇

@michaelblacktree Жыл бұрын

Hey guys! This is the first video with the new format, where the eco-mod and the results are in the same video. It took a couple months to get the data for this video. Hope you like it!

@pfoxhound Жыл бұрын

Why not to fill trans for up top of the engine bay, just put a hose down to fill port and fill it from top of the engine bay.

@michaelblacktree Жыл бұрын

It was easier to access from underneath.

@humphrydc Жыл бұрын

I appreciate the content man. Good stuff

@michaelblacktree Жыл бұрын

thanks!

@ryanrink2641 Жыл бұрын

I found your channel looking for 2nd gen prius info and mods, and found your MPG improvements series and fell in love! Cant wait to see more! Have you thought about just taping over the upper grill with clear tape instead of the ugly foam? And have you considered trying clear tape or similar to create rear wheel skirts that continue the body over the rear wheels for improved aerodynamics? Also, my mail fuel economy trick is also removing as much weight as I can without making the cor horribly uncomfortable to live with. Have you considered also replacing all the lights in the car with LEDs which would use less Electricity? Keep it up! Love the series so far!

@michaelblacktree Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the compliments. There are still some eco-mods I want to test out, so the series will continue.

@DroppinGearsNotTears Ай бұрын

MORE HYPERMILING PRIUS MODS! I am on the same boat using a 07 gen 2 Prius to just go to work and get around town but I have other vehicles that aren’t gas wallet friendly. Love your tacitics to save, love the science love the time you put into it. We appreciate you😊

@StayBlessed69 Жыл бұрын

Don’t the benefits start to appear after 1500km? Would you post a follow up if it’s improved since?

@stevenchin1143 6 ай бұрын

Yes, I agree with some of the other comments it’s not only about the fuel saving cost ,it’s about the longevity of the engine, piston rings, rod bearings, crank bearing, just overall less wear on the engine component internally will save you money in the long run.

@Issac.ZF1 3 ай бұрын

From my experience with Ceratec (about 20k KM), I've noticed a small improvement in fuel economy, somewhat similar to the one mentioned in the video, also the engine ran smoother and quieter for quite some time. I've been changing the oil every 7500km and topping it off with M0S2, it seems to "boost" and aid the Ceratec nicely. Appreciate the video.

@robertberes7402 8 ай бұрын

I used the the oil smoke stop additive from liqui molly, it worked for me. My car has a oil smoke issue, between oil changes it consumed 4-5l liters of oil. The mechanic said its the bad valve stem seal, needs a head rebuild. Oil smoke stop additive claimed it stopes oil smoke, revitalize rubber seal in the oil system, and restore compression. I tried it, and it worked for me. Since the i drive 3000km (that would be 1liter of oil missing already), with the additive inside, no oil smoke, no oil consumption, the engine feels more solid, it idles and runs smoother. I am not saying its a wonderweapon, my car was working fine, the mileage and power was fine. My only issue was the oil burning, and it help with that, i know its not a final solution, and i need a head rebuild in the future, but for the time being im satisfied with it. Maybe i give a shot for ceratec at next oil change, and some ATF additive from Liqui molly, see what happens. By the way, the video was good and informative, and for mileage data to come together, i think it was a long time to make it.

@JCVerseTv 5 ай бұрын

Good video! I usually round up 240 vs 300, I would just put the whole bottle in it. =)

@Nick_G7IZR Жыл бұрын

Ah, but you haven't taken in to account lower engine wear, prolonged engine life (apparently) and extended times between oil changes. So if you break even on fuel alone, you will benefit a little from the other savings.

@michaelblacktree Жыл бұрын

That's a good point. But I have no way to test those things. So I can't confirm or deny it.

@KellygenXYZ 9 ай бұрын

The thing that wasn't taken into account is the possible (likely) decrease in engine wear with the additive. I have used a different additive for many years (Dura Lube) in non-hybrids because it increased my mileage by a little under 3 mpg. I literally drive my cars to death before buying a new one. Since I started using the additive, that death has never been because of engine wear, it's always because the cost of repairing everything else gets nearly as high as a new car payment. My new car this time is a toyota hybrid - my first hybrid. DuraLube isn't recommended so I'm looking for what will be best.

@michaelblacktree 9 ай бұрын

That's outside the scope of this video.

@drippingwax Жыл бұрын

Have you tried using a solo cup when removing your oil filter?

@noone5014 3 ай бұрын

My primary reason for using this product is to lessen engine friction thus prolonging the life of the engine.

@infernoking7504 Жыл бұрын

Wow im suprised on how well that did

@blazingverde 3 ай бұрын

Some other additives that may be worth a look are Engine Restore with CSL, Motorkote hyperlube, Archoil 9100, liquimoly molygen, maybe Tribotex, and not an additive but HPL oils are supposed to be the cream of the crop when it comes to passenger car motor oils (pcmo) it would be sweet if u could test some of them out. You could also try 0w20 and fill 1/3 of the way up from the dipsticks low oil indicator mark. Good luck on your mpg journey friend!!! (There is one more - Mannol Ceramo Ester but its German and super hard to get in the U.S.)

@raynoszs5267 8 ай бұрын

Oh wow, it actually does something. A great test would be to put the car on a dyno and see if there are any HP gains due to less engine friction.

@akbarpashtun 7 ай бұрын

Correct.

@akbarpashtun 5 ай бұрын

@@salvationbygracethroughfaith For engine wear try liqui moly ceratec. It's a brilliant product.

@ratgreen 2 ай бұрын

Nice, as others have said the benefits are you are less likely to have wear and tear on yout engine so less repairs needed (say you got to 1 million miles and your rings are still good, but someone else might have leaking rings at that mileage + less efficient engine + the cost to repair. I'm eyeing up some WS2 but havent bought it yet. Its supposed to be one of mankinds slipperiest materials. Its fairly cheap to get now and you can buy it in powered form to add to oil. I also asked project farm if he would test it, that would be cool.

@michaelblacktree 2 ай бұрын

Yeah, that would be cool.

@herrkulor3771 Ай бұрын

If you want more mileage you need a thinner oil, so you are not losing horsepower to pump and pump oil. Additives may help for wear and for the starting moment, when there is no oil pressure or oil in the bearing space. Otherwise you need a fuel that is more energy dense or increase your combustion temperature, which will have your car create unallowed amounts of NOx.

@notsureyou 9 ай бұрын

My current line of thinking is, That using this product in conjunction with a thinner oil is where it provides the most benefits. For example, my boring 2017 Camry can use a variety of oil viscosities. In the past I have used a 5W30 oil, but this oil change I went to a 0W20. Since I'm using a thinner oil, there is POTENTIAL for the engine to not be as well protected. So using this product SHOULD yield the benefit of a better protected engine, and in theory there should be a "double" fuel saving. From the thinner oil, as well as the Ceratec product. But I don't do enough of the same trips to be able to say with any certainty if this is the case.

@aciddiver1978 9 ай бұрын

What about the longer lasting of your engine?

@tabaching222 5 ай бұрын

It did pay for it self PLUS less friction on the engine internals equals longer engine longevity

@Lagrossedodue 2 ай бұрын

the primary purpose of this product is to reduce friction and wear of the engine, the fuel consumption which decreases a little is only proof that it reduces friction, therefore in the long term the engine is protected. So yes it's worth it.

@Stinky_boyy Жыл бұрын

Violence, speed, momentum!

@user-xk5so7wb2t 3 ай бұрын

Awesome Vid. But I'd like to see an engine torn down After the full treatment from Ceratec additive. * to see if any areas were filled or coated with additive

@marbesky Жыл бұрын

I'm curently at 53 us mpg on 3800 miles around Europe in a UK 2007 gen2 About 2000 miles (from wich 1300miles with 400kg/ 881lbs weight in the back)are motorway only at speeds between 60 and 100 mph No aero mods yet but I have some software mods and drive the car in stage 4 all the time wich makes a huge difference

@michaelblacktree Жыл бұрын

Nice! I didn't know there were software mods available, but would like to try it.

@boobtubeakatv1296 Жыл бұрын

Stage 4 is that all the parts are completely warmed up... Hybrid batteries, motors etc... Happens automatically as you drive...

@marbesky Жыл бұрын

@@boobtubeakatv1296 wrong stage 4 applies only to the engine The battery can be at 0c and engine at 88c in stage 4 and it doesn't go automatically in a gen2 prius Only gen3 and gen4 can idle check for stage 4 while moving On gen2 you have to stop to 0mph for idle check and stage 4 to happen and if you don't engine will stay on forever bellow 34mph no matter what soc the battery is in

@marbesky Жыл бұрын

@@boobtubeakatv1296 see my video about temperature spoofing

@ChocolatBacon 11 ай бұрын

About trying different additive, a Toyota technician told me that the second gen Prius can handle 0W-20 oil grade thus reducing resistance in the engine due to lower viscosity thus reducing fuel consumption, it would be cool to see it tested!

@michaelblacktree 11 ай бұрын

I don't want to do that, because it might accelerate engine wear. Actually, I decided to use 10w30. Because Florida is a warm place. And the engine has over 200k miles.

@ChocolatBacon 11 ай бұрын

@@michaelblacktree Okay, I'll do it myself then, my Prius has less mileage and the engine seems very healthy. I won't make as much effort as you to keep track of the difference it makes but anyways well see if it makes a big difference.

@michaelblacktree 11 ай бұрын

If you could share the results, that would be great. I'm sure some of the viewers would like that.

@anotheryoutuber_ 10 ай бұрын

@@ChocolatBacon sometimes what you gain in lower viscosity you lose to ring seal for efficient retrieval of the expansion during burn.

@ChocolatBacon 10 ай бұрын

I agree that what you said is a possibility, buuuuut, the Prius has the cam shaft set up for an Atkinson cycle, meaning that there's 20 to 30% less compression than a normal engine. So I figure there's less of an impact if any pressure is lost. Plus apparently Toyota made some studies and a lot of their engines(with a normal cycle also) can handle 0W-20 oil, and are supposed to be more fuel efficient with 0w-20 oil. I'm due for an oil change, I'll put 0W-20 and see what happens. @@anotheryoutuber_

@aslkdfjhg Жыл бұрын

Using a prius with this test will only give a limited benefit because you are splitting hairs for more efficiency. If you managed to get a 5% improvment with a big gas pick up truck, that would be substantial. In reality things like aerodynamic drag will be more of a parasitic loss of efficiency, not the engine.

@michaelblacktree Жыл бұрын

I tend to agree. But I was curious. So I tried it.

@DerSpuk73 6 ай бұрын

It’s not only for the fuel economy. At least Ceratec should reduce friction and make the engine more reliable. If this is true, it would more worth the money than fuel saving. But who can prove, the engine runs longer. Like all additives you have to believe in it, or even not. My old Golf MK5 with the „bad“ 1.4tsi BLG engine with 170hp has never an issue with chain or turbo, and runs over 230.000km, before I sell it for an 2019 mk7.5 gti pp. So in this case, for me, it helps the engine run longer without superexpensive issues. But it I think, the 15.000km oilchange interval’s with Addinol 5w/40 helps too for this healthy engine life. The 20€ per bottle in Germany was worth the product for me

@Adzeoda Жыл бұрын

It’s impressive that you get over 60mpg. I have an 07 and the best I get is about 50 in the summer

@michaelblacktree Жыл бұрын

Thanks. I think the tires play a big role in that. My car has the Firestone Fuel Fighter tires, and I increased the air pressure to 40 psi front / 37 psi rear.

@514aam Жыл бұрын

@@michaelblacktree Please do not do that! Pressure that high is really unsafe when hard braking or cornering, you will break less and corner less, not worth your life to get a bit more MPG!

@michaelblacktree Жыл бұрын

IMO, the car actually handles and brakes better. The car felt mushy at the stock tire pressure. And it's within the max pressure rating for these tires.

@514aam Жыл бұрын

@@michaelblacktree it will seem like it but not under emergency situations, we actually tested it on track and the average braking distance increased by 5-8%, that could mean crashing or not + when the tires are hot they are also more prone to Explode

@boobtubeakatv1296 Жыл бұрын

Your increase in tire pressure IS FINE in ALL conditions !!! You are not racing around corners (🤣) nor braking hard... It's a Prius ☺️ It has regenerative braking... The only thing to look out for is that the front tires may wear in the center quicker due to the constant drag of the electric motors... I personally use 38 f & 35 r in my 2005 Prius and have low resistance tires too... My fuel mileage has more to do with how much my foot gets planted on the pedals, as sometimes you have to show others that YES you can keep up 👀 😱 😎

@ericsivilla4091 4 ай бұрын

It's not just mpg. Ceratec coats your engine parts and protects wich protects you're investment, your engine"... it works over time, needs to be in your oil 3k miles to properly coat the engine parts. In my opinion if you want to keep the car long term put obe bottle in every oil change, or at least every other oil change.

@camposvazquez 7 ай бұрын

In my area fuel is $4.50 per gallon... This addirive would pay off soonee and would be marginally worth it

@Reaper-3000 Ай бұрын

It's a different ballgame if you receive it as a gift

@adrianpopa9972 Ай бұрын

hello, is there any problem if I add the Ceratec ceramic additive from liqui moly, but after 100 km from the oil change, I just discovered it after the change and it even has good reviews on amazon, as there aren't many for other products, over 20,000 of reviews... mostly positive, so I'm curious if in contact with the used oil for about 100 km, this additive not being mixed, and not being fresh oil, is it ok? can it damage my engine?

@michaelblacktree Ай бұрын

I have no idea. I only tried the Ceratec once. And to be honest, I don't think the juice is worth the squeeze, so to speak.

@herrkulor3771 Ай бұрын

100km is about as new as it gets. What do you expect? There is no issue here. Not even if you add it after 10000km.

@michaelblacktree Ай бұрын

@@herrkulor3771 - The instructions say to mix it with oil before putting it in the engine. If you don't pre-mix it, it'll probably settle to the bottom of the oil pan. Then the oil pump will suck up a big glob of ceratec (instead of oil). That's probably not a good thing. After I found the Motor Oil Geek channel, I stopped using oil additives. The guy is a motor oil specialist, and he breaks it down for us.

@herrkulor3771 Ай бұрын

@@michaelblacktree it does not say so in the instructions I read, or the video from LM. I just put it in as it is already an oil suspension and let the motor idle a little to mix it up before the drive. Otherwise it would always settle at the bottom of your oil pan anyway. Your motor is the mixer. I also don't see a need for additives, unless there is a specific problem. Fuel saving definitely isn't working. If you get more horsepower, people will drive less fuel efficient anyway.

@MrSomethingdark 3 ай бұрын

Think of your engine. If you run an expensive car with a complex engine where service might cost you beyond $5k then yeah you want a fuel cleaner, an oil additive, the best filters and changing them often. An added side effect is that you get marginal fuel economy. With this added and regular oil changes just check your engine head after 150.000km and you should be good.

@Mr_DocHolliday 3 ай бұрын

The friction reduction would be worth it if it is actually reducing metal to metal friction. Id pay that extra amount every oil change if i knew it was actually doing that.

@Lothyde Жыл бұрын

It's worth it if your fuel economy is lower like mine (I average 31mpg), and you really only need 1 can for the engine oil, I don't think it's worth to buy an extra can for the transmission.

@steifan Жыл бұрын

There are cheaper ceramic oil additives as well, that might work and give better overall economy (as they are cheaper than Ceratec, but don't know if they perform similar).

@michaelblacktree Жыл бұрын

That's interesting. I didn't realize there are other ceramic oil additives.

@steifan Жыл бұрын

@@michaelblacktree I'm in Sweden and here they sell LM ceratec, STP Ceramic Oil Treatment & one of the cheapo car parts "no name" chain called "Biltema" even has a self-branded ceramic oil additive which is sold for about $17,4 (it looks kind of similar to Ceratec if you look at the fluid but more of an orange color).

@michaelblacktree Жыл бұрын

I did a google search, and found several brands available in the US as well. If another brand works as well as LiquiMoly but is cheaper, then I would do that instead.

@steifan Жыл бұрын

randomly found "GAT Ceramic Engine Protect"/"GAT Cera PROTECT" which is made in Germany & is pretty cheap

@Leonardo555ZZZZ Ай бұрын

If it improves economy , it is reducing friction . If it is reducing friction it is reducing wear , which makes it worthwhile overall.

@michaelblacktree Ай бұрын

That is not necessarily true. The Motor Oil Geek channel recently made a video about this.

@Leonardo555ZZZ Ай бұрын

@@michaelblacktree Please explain how reduced friction does not necessarily give a commensurate reduction in wear.

@michaelblacktree Ай бұрын

I'm not the expert in that field. The Motor Oil Geek guy is. He literally tests oil for a living. Check out his videos.

@eduardosbrissia Жыл бұрын

I did liked exactly at "busted" moment :-)

@amounifnd 5 ай бұрын

Good review, but this product is probably not suited to this type of engine. Maybe just a Moly additive ?

@marcelocuadrado6955 2 ай бұрын

Ceratec the best oil additive for far.

@motocast3015 9 ай бұрын

For me I don't care about the fuel, because in my country fuel is pretty cheap, around $3.5/gallon for the premium one, for basic one around $2.5/gallon. As long ceratec can help my engine last forever, i will buy ceratec.

@metallist23 Жыл бұрын

it saving your engine

@mry82 Жыл бұрын

Add a little to the gas for even better results! Disclaimer: Don't take me seriously! Would you have to run the oil for 30k mi to get the advertised savings? I assume you have to add w/ each oil change...

@michaelblacktree Жыл бұрын

That's a good question about the oil changes. Surely LiquiMoly doesn't expect us to go 30k miles between oil changes? Or will some of the additive stay in the engine?

@mry82 Жыл бұрын

@@michaelblacktree I wondered if it "sticks" to surfaces and has an impact after an oil change(s)... seems optimistic, lol

@michaelblacktree Жыл бұрын

I know the MoS2 additive chemically bonds to the metal. But I'm not sure if the Ceratec does that.

@boobtubeakatv1296 Жыл бұрын

MotorKote will bond to the engine... Use 2 oz every quart... Use every other change out... They make other products that are great as well for fuel and even grease ( think wheel bearings )... Use 1 oz in your CVT box...

@mry82 Жыл бұрын

@@boobtubeakatv1296 Thanks for the info!

@boobtubeakatv1296 Жыл бұрын

IF you really want better fuel economy... Use MotorKote products... Tested by millions of miles in semi trucks... PF also tested MotorKote btw... Also, get a less restrictive air filter... I use a K&N '' dry '' filter...

@notsureyou 9 ай бұрын

Unless I'm not understanding your comment. A less restrictive air filter, will allow more air in, which in turn means more fuel needs to be added. So it shouldn't provide a fuel saving. Because whilst you don't need to use as much throttle, it's because you are already adding more air.

@uodvrhw 8 ай бұрын

here in Greece has 20 euros . At last we have something cheaper than U amerikanski

@michaelblacktree 8 ай бұрын

LOL

@chief1960 5 ай бұрын

Buy it to reduce wear Get It???

@henryforo3566 4 ай бұрын

$50 is two days worth of lunch! That ain’t matter

@steven4894 11 ай бұрын

Post-Ceratec follow-up video?

@michaelblacktree 11 ай бұрын

That would be a boring video, because there's nothing to report.

@rbalara31 6 ай бұрын

60mpg? Im only getting 37 on mine!

@michaelblacktree 6 ай бұрын

The driving environment has a huge impact on fuel economy. I recently switched jobs, and average fuel economy dropped about 10 mpg! Because now I'm driving in traffic more often.

@ericsivilla4091 3 ай бұрын

What about less engine wear.