The Problem of Small Families in DNA Matching | Genetic Genealogy

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Some people don't find many matches using DNA or most of their matches are on a couple of lines and few are on the lines of interest. The problem is small family trees.
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0:00 - Introduction
0:32 - The Concept of Using DNA in Genealogy
1:56 - The Validity of Using DNA as a Genealogical Tool
3:08 - Autosomal DNA and Matching Relatives
4:48 - The Impact of Family Size on DNA Matches
7:29 - The Problem with Small Families
7:31 - How to Calculate Your Family Size
11:09 - Conclusion and Final Thoughts
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@PonytailRuth
@PonytailRuth 5 жыл бұрын
I am from England am an only child and so was my late mother. I also have no kids of my own and am medically unable to. My late father didn't have any other kids apart from myself. He only had one sister who had 2 daughters. I have had 3 DNA tests with different companies and can only find 5th cousins or even more distant ones. I was hoping to find some closer family as I have none here in the UK whatsoever. It's a really horrible feeling to not have any family. On a more positive note, I am now training to be a foster parent and hope to make a family with teenagers to care for.
@FamilyHistoryFanatics
@FamilyHistoryFanatics 5 жыл бұрын
Your DNA may not pass on, but you can still be a great influence as a mother.
@xochxrry6857
@xochxrry6857 Жыл бұрын
I’m sure you have more cousins! You might have to built out your tree and do research. Most of your cousins probably didn’t DNA test. Don’t feel alone, your not alone.
@lynnwiggers4073
@lynnwiggers4073 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much, someone gets my problem. My Dad is one of three, one of them unable to have children. He has only 3 first cousins. His grandmother was an only child, her mother also was an only child. HER mother was one of two, and HER MOTHER, my fourth great grandmother is my brick wall, with a far from unusual name, Mary Brown b.~1825, married 1841. At that point we're looking for her in 1830 and 1840 censuses, she died after the 1850 census and before 1853. There are three potential families in that 1840 census with a daughter the right age, James Brown, Richard Brown and John Brown. I would give anything for an Aloyisius that I could at least trace and try to rule out. I have the best possible candidate tested and I'm looking for X-Matches, but they are few and far between. I'm out of ideas. Some questions may never be answered.
@FamilyHistoryFanatics
@FamilyHistoryFanatics 5 жыл бұрын
Sorry for your small family. Too bad there isn't a good solution to the problem.
@joannathesinger770
@joannathesinger770 3 жыл бұрын
My dad is the functional youngest, and only one living at 95, and I only have 3 first cousins on that side. Luckily, one first cousin has tested--along with me--and the cousin that is deceased, one of her daughters has tested. I have...seven 2nd cousins on that side who have tested, however, giving the supposed broader spectrum. My mom is the 10th of 12--and the only one living--and I've only had one first cousin test on her side. Thank heavens a few of their children and grandchildren have tested, along with two second cousins and several grandchildren/great-grandchildren. My maternal grandfather (father of 12) only had one sibling to survive to adulthood, but she had 9 children, and a fair number of her grandchildren/great-grandchildren have tested. Only one has uploaded to Gedmatch, but I'm hopeful that will provide me the "break" I need in order to isolate the segment/segments in order to break through my "black hole" (this goes WAY beyond a brick wall) to find out my maternal great-grandfather's parents/family. (I have a similar "black hole" for my paternal direct line great-grandfather. So much false information perpetuated by amateur genealogists in the 1960's that others are loathe to let go of, even with Y-DNA proof...BUT...my dad participated in a Y-DNA study 20 years ago that literally blew holes in that "tidy false tale", so I h-o-p-e to publish the results in some manner to let folks know that it's just not true. It's on my "to-do" list for this summer.)
@SereniaSaissa
@SereniaSaissa 5 жыл бұрын
Interestingly my fathers parents both came from large famiies but very few of their descendents have actually done a DNA test. On my mothers side - she was an only child and her mother only had one half sibling. But my great grandparents (on my mothers side) both came from large families and there does seem to be a lot more matches on my mothers side. I have found, first, second and third cousins all from my mothers side. Interesting topic. Thanks for that.
@FamilyHistoryFanatics
@FamilyHistoryFanatics 5 жыл бұрын
Its one that I try to remind people of when they aren't finding matches.
@sie4431
@sie4431 3 жыл бұрын
It was a lack of matches on my paternal grandfather side that first got my attention. I could see that he had a large family and that wasn't counting the parts I was unable to trace, yet my other grandparents didn't have the same problem. It turned out that my grandfather wasn't my biological grandfather and I assume that his family was quite small because even third cousin's are hard to find, at this stage I don't even know if any of my matches are even third cousin's. To solve this my dad did a test and the needle barely moved. In fact his second closest match is related via his dad who he knows nothing about
@alanheadrick7997
@alanheadrick7997 5 жыл бұрын
I found that DNA testing companies do not send kits to Japan. So when my daughter in law first tested on Ancestry she had 65 matches. Now its up to abut 520. I have also found there are no tools available to check or compare matches. So we get a who lot more out of 23andme with about the same number of matches.
@FamilyHistoryFanatics
@FamilyHistoryFanatics 4 жыл бұрын
There are many countries that do not allow DNA testing. We've heard from some genealogists that family history research in Japan is causing unexpected consequences. Thus, even more people are hesitant to take a DNA test for genealogical purposes. Ancestry doesn't have a lot of research tools for folks who do not have family trees to compare with other test takers. For that, you should explore other sites and consider transferring your DNA results to GEDmatch.
@alanheadrick7997
@alanheadrick7997 4 жыл бұрын
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics I have sent kits to a cousin in Japan so he could test. The daughter in law was on GED match until they started giving third parties access to the results. She asked me to remove her account. So for now, FTDNA, My Heritage, 23andme, Ancestry and WeGene. I am also interested in the Japanese records on Familysearch, however I don't read Japanese very well. Thanks.
@carstars
@carstars 5 жыл бұрын
My AncestryDNA matches are reporting 30,985 today. That is a lot of matching going on.
@FamilyHistoryFanatics
@FamilyHistoryFanatics 5 жыл бұрын
Good thing that the vast majority of them are to distant to worry about. Probably only about 100-200 that are worth looking into.
@karlayork877
@karlayork877 5 жыл бұрын
​@@FamilyHistoryFanatics You are just wrong about this. I just grouped 80-something people who have a great deal of overlap; fewer than one-third of those are identified cousins; even fewer are even close to being within my first 200 matches. But because of the PATTERN of matching, along with the trees of those who have them and what very little I know about a particular gg-grandmother, I can determine with certainty that these matches are related to that particular ancestor. Now to get down to the hard part: back to researching people and documents in the new focus are that would never have been revealed had I been naive enough to stick to my top 1000 -- yes, 1000 (out of almost 80,000) -- matches, because some of those in the pattern are much further down than that. Start with your closer, easily identifiable matches, certainly, but it's the more distant ones that will uncover the real mysteries.
@weekendmom
@weekendmom 5 жыл бұрын
Hate to burst some bubbles here, but sometimes it doesn't really matter how many people on sites like 23&Me find that are your DNA matches. I know from personal experience. I have two known cousins on there who descend from the same common ancestor, our third great grandfather. Likewise, this third great grandfather had one brother who has three modern descendants who all have the exact same genetic marker on an X chromosome. We six cousins are the only proven descendants of these two men, but there are up to sixteen others among our DNA matches who have the same X chromosome marker, and none of us knows how these people are related to us! Many of these DNA matches have no surname list or bother to reply to any messages you send them through 23&Me, which makes attempts to research this part of the family perpetually frustrating. Sometimes small families will remain an enigma when it comes to determining familial connections and it is a bitter pill indeed.
@sandrabryant5228
@sandrabryant5228 4 жыл бұрын
So true and incredibly frustrating! Getting people to respond is nearly impossible!
@FamilyHistoryFanatics
@FamilyHistoryFanatics 4 жыл бұрын
Many people took DNA tests, especially on 23andMe for reasons other than connecting to family. Health reports come to mind particularly with 23andMe. So yeah, it's frustrating when folks who took DNA tests don't respond, especially when you might be facing a genetic surprise.
@mikewoodcock7100
@mikewoodcock7100 5 жыл бұрын
How do I trace my grandfather on my paternal side? my grandmother took the secret to her grave so we have no name or nationality, except that my father was born in England and used his mothers family name.I have had a DNA test and am trying to go that way.
@FamilyHistoryFanatics
@FamilyHistoryFanatics 4 жыл бұрын
Start by identifying which matches are on your paternal side. The Leeds method is a great way to separate out those matches.
@bjacres7057
@bjacres7057 5 жыл бұрын
Boy the generations to come like 30 or more years from now are going to have a problem considering the average couple barely have more than one child.
@FamilyHistoryFanatics
@FamilyHistoryFanatics 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent point that I had not thought of. DNA will be diluted in fewer families, meaning more lost DNA information.
@ErikOosterwal
@ErikOosterwal 3 жыл бұрын
Luckily there are now many people taking DNA tests for genealogy and making some of that information available for comparison.
@yahccs1
@yahccs1 Жыл бұрын
When calculating the average using numbers of children in families per generation does that include all the people of one generation as the number of families in the next (minus number of couples made up of 2 of those people!) or just those who had children? It makes a huge difference. 2 of my grandparents were one of 5 (I believe!) and the other two were one of 3 so that's 16 people in 4 families a nice round average of 4. But between those 16 people (you have to take 2 off for total number of families because 4 of those people make 2 couples) were 12 children I believe (possibly one or two more?), so average 6/7 children per family, but it's really just from 8 families and the other 6 did not have children (as far as I know), so average 1.5 per actual family. Then of those 12 people, 2 of them make one couple so potentially 11 families, but only 5 had 1 or 2 children: 7 people in 5 families average 1.4 but really average should be 7/11 per 'family' from the previous generation. So these 7 people on my generation is just myself, 2 1st cousins and 4 2nd cousins (and 7 children I know of in the next generation which seems to average 1 per family, but those 7 are from 3 families, and there may be others from the other 2nd cousins I don't really know!). I don't think I have any other 2nd cousins, only a small chance I might have half 1st cousins! I suppose if you go back to great grandparents and further you just pick one branch and follow its descendants down rather than trying to work the average out on all branches. It is more difficult if you don't know all the families of all the great-great aunts and uncles. I only know of one 3rd cousin, but there may be many others as I know of lots of 1st cousins twice removed (some of whom my Mum thought of as aunts) who might have grandchildren. Average family sizes were bigger 3-4 generations ago and further back. It's easier to go back and count siblings of ancestors than to pick an ancestor and count children among their descendants if we don't know all those other branches coming down from that ancestor!
@yahccs1
@yahccs1 Жыл бұрын
PS Today I checked someone's list of descendants of one of my 4th-great grandparent couples and found 35 3rd cousins and 6 4th cousins of my generation, which is a huge increase from my previous known 1 3rd cousin and 0 4th cousins! So I'm not in such a small family after all! Who knows I may have hundreds of 3rd and 4th cousins and a few more 2nd cousins I don't know about!
@PC-lu3zf
@PC-lu3zf 5 жыл бұрын
I have a segment that has over 75 Ashkenazi Jewish cousins but we cannot find any common ancestor.
@PC-lu3zf
@PC-lu3zf 5 жыл бұрын
All we know is he or she was Jewish and likely Ashkenazi as it paints as Ashkenazi on Jtest and East med on K13 etc.
@lightyagami3492
@lightyagami3492 4 жыл бұрын
@@PC-lu3zf im willing to bet you can't find the common ancestor because of endogomy or inbreeding.
@nillyk5671
@nillyk5671 Жыл бұрын
In the case of the person I am trying to help, I really do not think it has to do with her family being small but with the fact that only very few people from South America have tested. Commercial dna tests are not absolutely not common over there but I guess it works the same as having a small family. She is an adoptee and has no clue about her origins, we only know that she comes from Chile. There are no records or documents left because the adoption was illegal. :(
@FamilyHistoryFanatics
@FamilyHistoryFanatics Жыл бұрын
That can be problematic to be sure. One can only hope that time and patience will either bring genetic relatives to light or documents. One never knows.
@lookman-2844
@lookman-2844 4 жыл бұрын
It also depends on your ancestors social class how many children they had. You always find that the more educated and wealthier people have less children. This is especially true when a husband has work that takes him away from home like a merchant or a MP. Very few children died in such families. My grandfather (50% German) was illegitimate and I have Y-DNA R-M269. All I know he was brought up (outside the stately home) by a great German aristocratic family. When 17, they wanted him sent overseas to avoid embarrassment. He rebelled I feel because he father took no interest in him.
@FamilyHistoryFanatics
@FamilyHistoryFanatics 4 жыл бұрын
Great points. Thanks
@PC-lu3zf
@PC-lu3zf 5 жыл бұрын
I have over 25000 matches on ancestry.
@FamilyHistoryFanatics
@FamilyHistoryFanatics 4 жыл бұрын
Wow.
@PC-lu3zf
@PC-lu3zf 5 жыл бұрын
I am Jewish so I have the opposite issue toom any matches.
@TB-rx1ue
@TB-rx1ue 4 жыл бұрын
P C I’m only a small part Ashkenazi and like 90% of my matches are Jewish 🤦‍♀️ I feel ya
@FamilyHistoryFanatics
@FamilyHistoryFanatics 4 жыл бұрын
Understandable.
@lightyagami3492
@lightyagami3492 4 жыл бұрын
@@TB-rx1ue i have a feeling when my test results come back im gonna get this lmao 🤦🤦
@beckyjohns5350
@beckyjohns5350 5 жыл бұрын
What happens when a couple have 2 daughters. One have kids and the other don't have kids?
@FamilyHistoryFanatics
@FamilyHistoryFanatics 5 жыл бұрын
All we really care about is those who have offspring, so when it comes to DNA descendants, if you didn't have children, then you are the same as if you didn't exist.
@gubjorggisladottir3525
@gubjorggisladottir3525 Жыл бұрын
Grammar police: less people or fewer people? Andy used the word LESS at 3:25-3:26 meaning not as big a group or "the group of people who are related is small" I think his grammar would have been "better" if he had used the word "fewer" here instead of "less"
@FamilyHistoryFanatics
@FamilyHistoryFanatics Жыл бұрын
Probably, but I'm not too caught up on grammar.
@Ratchet4647
@Ratchet4647 5 жыл бұрын
Like a bottleneck effect!
@FamilyHistoryFanatics
@FamilyHistoryFanatics 5 жыл бұрын
Exactly! Why didn't I think to use that phrase?
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